Bad crash at Sixth Line

[Macs II]

Another serious crash (http://sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=28824)

[Karen-Annie]

No details yet?They announced the road closure at the end of the Hounds game.Praying there aren't any serious injuries,though that sounds iffy, and no fatalities.

Drive safe,people!!

[msmiths]

http://www.soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=15098

most unfortunate indeed

[everywoman]

Oh goodness. That's so sad. It's a bad area there. Those long slow curves are deceivingly slippery.

[Paully]

my condolences to the family

[msmiths]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: everywoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh goodness. That's so sad. It's a bad area there. Those long slow curves are deceivingly slippery. </div></div>

that part of the highway is also a very poor visibility area for some reason

all summer and this fall I was commuting from goulais to town, and in the morning with rain it was very poor visibility

im sure even worse in the snow

a shame indeed someone and thier family has suffered a total loss in this event.

[SusyQ]

It is truly sad all the time when it happens but worse when it happens around Xmas. God bless the family.

[puppy]

there is a condolences thread on here for the family

[Floyd]

Why does it always seem to involve a transport????

[MaO3]

I have to say that in all the years that I've lived out this way - north of the city. I have found that the stretch between 4th line and the city limits/snowplow turn around to be the most treatcherous. The city while they may try, they don't do nearly as good a job of keeping that stretch of highway maintained as the area beyond the turnaround.

There have now been two fatal accidents on that stretch this year. Very sad.

[Super Gram]

I asked my hubby about that Ma03.....he is a retired General Foreman from the Board of Works. He says you are right that he think sometimes it is neglected.........why? because sometimes it is snowing out there and not in the city. Its not checked enough. I think the people out that way should give Mr. McCauly of the B of W a shout.

There is always a foreman on call 24/7 in the winter.

[MaO3]

Super Gram 9 times out of 10 you can get to Forth Line and the rain changes to snow, or its starts to snow.

That area is always the worst part of my drive home - without fail. Most of the time if I can I take Landslide road, its usually in better condition than the highway - That in inself is a pretty sad commentary about the condition of the highway!

[Shanny]

We were out at my parents house in Havilland last night for hubby's birthday. We came in the highway around 8pm and the visibility was a bit poor then, but worse than that the highway was completely snow covered and nobody was sure where they should be and it was becoming quite slick just as we got off the highway. My condolences to the people involved however, I am seriously glad that me and my family made it off the road when we did.

[b&aMom]

You'd think with technology today they could stick a freakin' web cam up there somewhere, so the "city" can see it needs to be taken care of. In my 40+ years (and 20 of that in Goulais), that stretch from 2nd Line to the city limits is always the worst, both weather-wise and road condition-wise. Shanny is right, once you get north of 5th Line, you can't tell where you are on the road because the trees are too far back from it. Reflectors are needed big time along both sides up there, right through to the city limits.

And anyone who has lived in Goulais knows that as soon as you hit the city limits going south, the road will turn to crap. It's not been kept properly in the winter in my memory. It's seems to have gotten even worse since the truck inspection station was moved.

[T_wolfe]

According to a witness.. The young lady was coming into the Sault from Heyden and hit a patch of ice as she rounded the bend near the motel. She lost control and spun around 2 times crossing into the oncoming path of the transport. Neither her or the truker had a chance to react or avoid the collision.

[Maryms]

I blame the road works division for these accidents that happened out that way which is not to far from my place literarly.

This is the first time in years that ppl have been killed around that stretch of highway in the winter time and years since anyone has died on those 2 bends.

You can blame road conditions, you can blame the person driving...but in the end it is the lack of this cities abilities to adequately do there Fking JOBS.

What burns my arse more it is a part of a highway that THEY know is a bad area for ICE and snow in the winter time. I hope those city workers or bosses who make these incompetent decisions go home at night and think about if it was one of their own...what then.

[Simba]

You have a good point. I was ticked off last night looking at the roads. Nothing was plowed, even the side streets. Sidewalks were not done either.
Another thing that ticks me off is last Thurs and Fri the plows were out right when the kids get off of school. There are no sidewalks where we live so I think that is dangerous.

This city cannot keep up when there are storms and they had better learn quick before we have other fatalities. That is nothing short of lazy and inconsiderate.

[EyelashExtensions]

I live on Fifth Line and it can be so crazy with the amount of wind alone blowing the snow around and if its snowing too its impossible to see. The drifts can be incredible. These sorts of accidents have me very worried and almost tempted to send my daughter to a different school because her bus would have to come out of Fifth line onto the highway and down GNR. She starts next year and I think I will be contacting the Board of Education because I don't think its right she has to travel so far when there is a school not very far away.

[Maryms]

Lizzardskills... not sure what school your planning on putting your daughter in.

But

The school that my son goes to the bus comes past your house then up the old goulais bay rd, then comes back down the road and picks my son up along with other kids.

So the bus only comes up the highway, then the way i just stated .. then goes down fourth line to the school and nevers go back out to the highway in that time frame.

[EyelashExtensions]

Apparently because we live on the other side of Old Bay Goulais Rd. she is supposed to go to Tarentorus which I think is complete B.S. I will definitely be checking up on that thanks for the info!

[Maryms]

Np as when i was younger many ppl from your side of the road (even as far as the KOA) went to the school my son goes to.

I don't think there will be an issue if you chose to enroll her into my sons school.

[gouligann]

I know too damned well the bad conditions you are all talking about on that stretch.
The year an out of town girl got killed there, I had turned sideways in the same spot the day before. Even when you KNOW it's bad, you can go into a slide.

When we have a mild year, like the last two years, WHERE????? does the money go that was saved from not using the plows?????
The city must have saved a tremendous amount, so why aren't the using it NOW!! when we NEED it????

YEP, I'm goddamed angry, and I don't know this poor girl and her family, but I have family and friends that ride that stretch every day. I dont' want some sad faced policeman knocking on my door, or getting that dreaded phone call about a friend being killed.

That stretch should take the highest priority, along with the major crossings and hills in town.

[1337]

As sad as it is, people have to realise the snow conditions on that stretch and slow down to reasonable speeds.

It's not just the lack of care on that stretch, it is people doing 90 around that corner, realising someone is comming out on 5th line or 6th line, and hits them.

If you can't see, you shouldn't be doing 70-90, 40-60 in those conditions would be perfect.

Blame the roads all you want, but IF they aren't done, that doesn't give the right to still go uncontrollable speeds. And being controlable, still may be the speed limit, but you have to slow down to suit the driving conditions, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

I know you all heard it before, but doesn't matter who is neglected the roads/highways, if you don't drive to the conditions you will get into an accident!

[MaO3]

While I agree with the speed issue T-Pot, the problem for the most part lies with the inconsistant maintainance of that area. Coming from North and heading towards Sault Ste Marie, the section of Highway where the switch occur's is always clear, then as you come around that first corner past where the old weight scale was it changes.

The corner at 6th line can be really clear and well maintained then in that straight stretch between Glenview cottages and the turn around -- CRAP! One just never knows.
Yes being aware of the fact that the road conditions are ever changing as is the weather is every drivers responsibility.

That doesn't change the fact that this is the second fatality on that stretch in a little more than an month.

Honestly as a person who drives that stretch EVERY single day I'm telling you that the City is falling down on the job.

[lmags]

No it isn't plain and simple T Pot. Do you actually know what speeds the victims in the accident were doing?? Umm no. I blame the city on this one. Weather conditions do play a role yes but it is also a no brainer that you can also get in an accident going at slower speeds too.

[GRUMPY]

Most times I would agree with T-pot however to have 2 fatal accidents within such a short time is kind of odd. However I was out driving around town yesterday and I'm amazed at the way people were driving , there should have been twice the number of accidents due to the idiots behind the wheels.

[Maryms]

Name has been released.

I give my deepest condolences to her family.

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=28860

[Guest]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As sad as it is, people have to realise the snow conditions on that stretch and slow down to reasonable speeds.

It's not just the lack of care on that stretch, it is people doing 90 around that corner, realising someone is comming out on 5th line or 6th line, and hits them.

If you can't see, you shouldn't be doing 70-90, 40-60 in those conditions would be perfect.

Blame the roads all you want, but IF they aren't done, that doesn't give the right to still go uncontrollable speeds. And being controlable, still may be the speed limit, but you have to slow down to suit the driving conditions, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

I know you all heard it before, but doesn't matter who is neglected the roads/highways, if you don't drive to the conditions you will get into an accident! </div></div>Get off your high horse about speeders, T-pottie. You have no idea how fast she was going. Even the police are crying out for witnesses as to what and how it happened. 40-60 perfect? What if it's white out conditions? drive according to the weather. What may be a perfect speed at one point may not be the safest speed moments later. Now if you're going 100km/h, and you can't see 10 feet beyond your windshield, then you will likely be awarded a Darwin award, or possibly an honorable mention.