Please answer Honestly

[Light_Keeper]

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gifWhy, is Spirituality subjects listed in H-ex Files, instead of Religion??

[Return of Too Many Daves]

No your bum does not look big in that. Sorry force of habit.

[Light_Keeper]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Return of Too Many Daves</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No your bum does not look big in that. Sorry force of habit. </div></div>
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I truly wanted an answer from some-one knowledgeable about why certain topics are placed in inappropriate forums. Spirituality is a belief system as is religion!!!

[almabear]

As far as I can remember it was quite some time ago, the people who started the hex files wanted it that way. To be able to discuss those things without "opinions" from Christians.

[Light_Keeper]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Miss R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as I can remember it was quite some time ago, the people who started the hex files wanted it that way. To be able to discuss those things without "opinions" from Christians. </div></div>
Wouldnt it benifit a discussion if all opions where voiced?

[Maryms]

Well thats soonet for ya.... /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[dancingqueen]

That's a good qestion Light_Keeper, I would ask a mod about that because spirituality is a religious topic as Christians belive in a spirit as do many other cultures such as Indians, Native Americans ect...

[kuietgrl (got lost)]

I would assume it's because spirituality has to do (obviously) with spirits and most people see spirits and ghosts as the same thing.

[Light_Keeper]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *kuietgrl*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would assume it's because spirituality has to do (obviously) with spirits and most people see spirits and ghosts as the same thing. </div></div>
That is just too funny,
In the Christian faith or doctrine, they have the " Holy Spirt " and many many mystics and individuals that spoke to the dead and also had visions.
So where is the difference.
I believe that the Christian faith is simple afraid of the Spiritual beliefs some people hold that differ from their own, and fear stops them from gaining insight or knowledge.

There are many people who view spirituality and religion as quite separate from each other.

All 'religionists' would deem themselves as spiritual, but not all who deem themselves spiritual would want to be understood as religious.

[almabear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Light_Keeper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Miss R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as I can remember it was quite some time ago, the people who started the hex files wanted it that way. To be able to discuss those things without "opinions" from Christians. </div></div>
Wouldnt it benifit a discussion if all opions where voiced? </div></div>

Apparently they didn't want that. So that's how it all came down.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Light_Keeper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *kuietgrl*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would assume it's because spirituality has to do (obviously) with spirits and most people see spirits and ghosts as the same thing. </div></div>
That is just too funny,
In the Christian faith or doctrine, they have the " Holy Spirt " and many many mystics and individuals that spoke to the dead and also had visions.
So where is the difference.
I believe that the Christian faith is simple afraid of the Spiritual beliefs some people hold that differ from their own, and fear stops them from gaining insight or knowledge. </div></div>

A few comments, IMO. A christian can be spiritual, and use the word spirituality. Both would refer to his relationship to God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

There were and are "mystics" but if they claimed to speak to the dead I certainly don't think they would be Christians. They might have visions, which may or may not be respected by Christians, but certainly NOT if those visions contradict God's revealed word, the bible.

To my knowledge there are NO spirits from God at work in the world. IMO any such manifestaions are the work of Satans angels, or the demons. And if you think we fear them, you are absolutely right. As to spiritual beliefs, any that contradict the bible are of no value to the Christian.

[Larimar]

In the religion section (here) everything is dominated by teh Christian viewpoint-It might as well be called "Christian forum"
Not saying this is a bad thing or a right thing, just teh way it is b.c this is a small city with most people not being from other cultures or diverse religions.
Spiritualism-which is a religion itself (the talking to the spiritual world ) is thought of as wrong to many Christians (not all depends on their interpretation of the bible) and so I feel it necessary to keep the two seperate so that there's less of a chance of starting a war over something silly or trivial (I wish it didn't have to be that way, but that's life). I don't know about other people but i'd rather be able to discuss my beliefs without being told I'm talking to "satan"-when it's not part of my belief system. It just turns into a circular war.

Spiritualism is often considered new age by Christians-which it's not. commmon misunderstanding. New age steals concepts from many religions and belief systems- including Spiritualism /spirituality- One example of new age stealing concepts= crystals for energy healing-taken from Hindu religion and the chakras.

" Its roots are traceable to many sources: Astrology, Channeling, Hinduism, Gnostic traditions, , Spiritualism, Taoism, Theosophy, Wicca and other Neo-pagan traditions, etc. The movement started in England in the 1960's "


So I just wanted to clear up the concept that people who think Spiritualists are new agers-are misinformed. You'd hav eto ask the person if they are or not...I suppose.

New age-I don't mind being in Hex files-b.c it's not a real religion-It's taking different concepts from different religions-and so shouldn't be considered with it..

spirituality should be with religion-b.c you can't have religion without it-but when it's comes to

spiritualism-It should also be under religion (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/5927/faq.html) but I'm actually fine with it not being there-just b.c the topics would get to the point where people have to defend themselves as not being "evil" and to me that's a waste of time.


As long as there is a place to discuss it, i'm fine with that. If I wanted to get deep in discussions on spiritual areas I would just join a board geared to that area anyways. It's better to discuss in a group of like minded people then to have people put you down. Might all be different if the sault had more diversity concerning religion-and more discussions from ppl who all had different beliefs-but our diversity here only seems to be involving which Sect of Christianity someone is from..
Not bad thing, again...just not diverse and so it narrows the views or makes it easier for one belief to gang up on another.
I dunno if soonet would be ready to have more topics surrounding other belief systems without being arguementative or insulting-I'd love to be proved wrong though. I really would.

As an example, someone starts up a discussion on spiritualism-talking to spirits-and it's dimissed right away saying " that's just a devil or demon" end of story. Ater a while, the poster would start to feel really insulted or hurt. I don't see the point in good people being told they work for evil when there's no basis for truth on the statements anymore then anyone elses beliefs. Neither belief I'm saying is wrong or right-just that it will likely be the dominant view and will be hard to discuss without being bashed a lot.

just my humble opinion.

[kuietgrl (got lost)]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Light_Keeper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *kuietgrl*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would assume it's because spirituality has to do (obviously) with spirits and most people see spirits and ghosts as the same thing. </div></div>
That is just too funny,
In the Christian faith or doctrine, they have the " Holy Spirt " and many many mystics and individuals that spoke to the dead and also had visions.
So where is the difference.
I believe that the Christian faith is simple afraid of the Spiritual beliefs some people hold that differ from their own, and fear stops them from gaining insight or knowledge. </div></div>

Personally, I believe in neither ghosts/spirits or God.

I think there are two separate forums here because the people who want to talk about religion, talk about their beliefs in God, Jesus and pride themselves on trying to prove athiests wrong (same with athiests trying to prove religion wrong)

In the hex section, people just want to talk about things moving around their house and getting creepy feelings when they walk into dark basements.

JMO.

There you go. Kuietgirl tells it like it is.

You hex guys just want to talk about things that go bump in the night.

[Larimar]

i don't think anyone questions the "spooks" part being in another section-but spirituality is definitely a different topic all together and does include beliefs outside of those that involve (hex file topics-like big foot, ghosts, and nessie).
Well, that was my understanding of the question anyways.
hex files really is originally for the whole bump in the night thing-but having spirituality is a lot different than that-and as teh poster said, they don't want to talk about God and spiritual beliefs just the spooks at times..so maybe it "would" be better off back with religion?
having Religion and Spirituality section-I think yahoo Questions divide it that way too.

The problem with a generic topic like 'spirituality' is that everyone defines that for themselves. You can make it to be anything you interpret it to be.

Spiritism would be a different story altogether.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DreamSpirit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the religion section (here) everything is dominated by the Christian viewpoint-It might as well be called "Christian forum" </div></div>

Although it does appear that the Christian viewpoint is dominant in this forum, there was a time when we had some good open discussion between Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Athiest, Agnostic and spiritualist members here. There were a few other faiths and philosophies over time as well. Maybe we can cycle back to such a time once more in the future.

To misquote DreamSpirit: "In the religion section (here) everything is dominated by the "peeing for distance" viewpoint-It might as well be called "Trolling forum""

[Larimar]

yah couldn't have corrected my typos since it was a misquote after-all :p /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

[GenX]

You guys are a bit tough on Barry, doncha' think?

[Larimar]

not really, since I never said anything to him or about him that was tough..unless u mean the misquote-but I can hardly be faulted for saying that one...since I didn't..

*big hug everyppls-the hug of diversity * :p

The Shadow lurks.. and every once in awhile he shows himself, and always says something substantial.. Yes, I long for those days. Alas, I think the days of good and rigorous discourse are gone. People do not know how to argue anymore because the appearance of disagreement is like the slightest sight of blood. People cry "intolerance" and faint dead away!!

Or they dig deep and come up with a resounding, "Oh yeah? Well, my mother can beat up your mother!"

[Soundbear]

So turn on the "ignore" option if some turkey bothers you and get into it!!!

No thanks. Even a stopped watch is... you know the cliche

Hey, I think we should make up an index list of cliches, and then number them.

Then, we could just communicate with numbers.

Actually, come to think of it, those discussions with Soc were often mean-spirited as well. He even wished me dead at one point, it got so bad.

But there were others who were civil.

[starterwiz]

I think of myself as a Christian, although others may not.
It's a shame that Christainity, like all religions, have somewhat narrow minded viewpoints. But, they do.

Somehow, sometime soon, ALL of us humans are going to have to learn to get along a lot better than we have been.
The world is changing and evolving at an increasingly rapid pace, and only sincere co-operation will get us through the centuries ahead as a race.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is more about us than we have the sense to see. And yet as a race that shares knowledge, we can become more aware of the unseen forces that guide our destiny.
Spirits are among us, both good and evil, but some Christians prefer not to ackowledge the fact. Some think that any acknowledgement may lead to an invitation or open door, allowing evil in. And in a way, they are correct.

A pink monkey thrown into a cage of brown monkeys will surely suffer evil.

"Somehow, sometime soon, ALL of us humans are going to have to learn to get along a lot better than we have been."

So let it start with the only person you can control.

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Light_Keeper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gifWhy, is Spirituality subjects listed in H-ex Files, instead of Religion?? </div></div>

Light_Keeper, I think you should post some spiritual based topics here in the religion section.
if any mods feel the need to remove it I would like to point this out:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=spiritualism

spir·it·u·al·ism /ˈspɪrɪtʃuəˌlɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[spir-i-choo-uh-liz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. the belief or doctrine that the spirits of the dead, surviving after the mortal life, can and do communicate with the living, esp. through a person (a medium) particularly susceptible to their influence.
2. the practices or phenomena associated with this belief.
3. the belief that all reality is spiritual.
4. Metaphysics. any of various doctrines maintaining that the ultimate reality is spirit or mind.
5. spiritual quality or tendency.
6. insistence on the spiritual side of things, as in philosophy or religion.

Anyone can discuss anything they want to in this forum, so long as it is tangentially related to religion.