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Drools
12-28-2007, 10:37 AM
I'm trying to decide what new processor to go with when I upgrade my computer and I was hoping some of you here might be able to help. The computer will be mostly used for games but NOT running games at 100fps @ 1280 x 1024! I just want to upgrade the box not the monitor or DVD player etc. I mostly run my games at 800x600 and anything over 30pfs is fine. That being said what processor would be acceptable to go with?
I'm thinking an Intel Core 2 Duo but it has been a long time since I have compared processors. I noticed 2 processors online, both are Intel one is the E6750@2.66,1333FSB,4MB for 213.00$ and the other is an E6600@2.4,1066FSB,4MB for 280.00$.
It seems to me the E6750 is a better processor but it is priced less that the E6600, why is that?

I need a new CPU (retail), Motherboard, RAM (1gig min), Video Card, Hard Drive, Power Supply and Case.
I'm not into over-clocking or tinkering with my setup. I'm looking for a good stable setup.

Maryms
12-28-2007, 12:08 PM
The main question should be, how much are you willing to spend for a decent upgrade?

You looking at least $650.00-$700.00 plus tax/shipping for a decent upgrade.

Alos for any decent video card today will play more the 800x600 resolution, but it will be determined by your monitor, you should have at least a 19 inch monitor for good/great gaming performance otherwise why bother spending $700.00 or so on a decent BOX upgrade if your not wanting to utilize the parts?

Drools
12-28-2007, 12:22 PM
I have a new Samsung LCD monitor, I upgraded that last year. What I'm saying is 800x600 is acceptable for me and yes 600-->700+ was what I had planned on spending.
I'm a database guy, you know SQL etc, not so much into the hardware anymore. I used to keep up to date on the hardware scene but I just don't have the time anymore, hence the question to you guys. I have done some research on my own and came up with the following.
Intel C2D E6750 2.66GHZ FSB1333M 4M S775,229.99
ASUS P5B Conroe/SATARAID/965/GBLAN,164.79
ATI X1950GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-E 16X,205.99
Kingston DDRII-800 1G Non-ECC CL5 DIMM,82.39
Western Digital 160GB 7200RPM 8M SATA2,59.99
Antec EarthWatts EA430 Power supply 430W,69.99

Not sure if the RAM I picked is compatible...
This is sort of a base list. I think the ATX case I have now should be good enough.

General Lee
12-28-2007, 12:24 PM
ATI X1950GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-E 16X,205.99

i would go with an 8800 series card from nvidia

Drools
12-28-2007, 12:36 PM
Thanks GL I will keep that in mind.

Maryms
12-28-2007, 01:25 PM
Or get a 3870 ATI card they top notch for ATI right now and cost anywhere from $220.00 - $249.00 depends where you buy from.

Drools
01-02-2008, 01:45 PM
Hey guys another question. What is the difference between PCI 1.1 and PCI x 16? I have read the new Intel X38 chipset will support PCI 2.0 and some motherboards are using the new chipset but they are a little pricy. I have not looked up all the features on the X38 but it is probably worth looking into.

Maryms
01-02-2008, 03:38 PM
PCIe 2.0 is what you should be asking as it is not PCI 2.0.

PCIe 2.0 is a newer interface for the newer Graphics Cards which require more power through the PCIe slot and with 2.0 interface it will allow for more bandwidth when using a PCIe 2.0 compliant card.

PCIe 2.0 is backwards compatible.

PCIe 16x is the Slots Express lane which allows for more bandwidth to flow through it then PCIe 1x-4x-8x, but the difference in perforamance (From 8x to 16x) is very marginal right now. If your looking to run Dual Video Cards (Sli or Crossfire) then get a mobo that has 16X PCIe in order to maximize the performance to its fullest and that has PCIe 2.0 complaint slot(s).

Basically it is a little newer technology which helps enhance the newer Graphics Cards that are 2.0 compliant.

The X38 mobo's most of them have PCIe 16x and 2.0 complaint, but read carefully as not all have all slots that are 16X, some have say 3 slots on the mobo which is 16x/8x/1x or 16x/8/4x or 16x/8/8x or 8x/8x/4x or 8x/8x/1x menaing not all slots on the mobo are 16x .... now don't get confused with the 1x Smaller Slot which is mostly on all mobo's nowadays .. that is not the 1x i am talking about in terms of the graphic cards slots.

The newer X48 will have such slots as well, again read carefully as to how many are 16x and so on.

Drools
01-02-2008, 04:46 PM
I have to remember the little "e" on the end of PCI. Very interesting thanks for the info. After posting I when looking and found the Asus P5E which uses the X38 with 2 slots supporting PCIe 2.0. I wonder if the extra 100+ dollars warrants the purchase of the X38 over the P5B. I'm not going for an SLI or Crossfire setup so having 2 PCIe slots dedicated to video is overkill for me.
I would rather spend the money on lightening fast I/O but we are talking consumer level here.

Maryms
01-02-2008, 06:49 PM
The P5E has two fully-fledged PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots which is the younger sister to the Asus Maximus Formula and is a pretty great board for a decent build with potential of doing some pretty decent overclocking.

So if crossfire is not what you will ever go with then no worries, but if you buy a X3870 now and decide to get another one down the road then you can utilize this mobo its fullest or if you decide to get a Nvidia 8800 GTS 512MB or a 640MB card then of course crossfire is not an option later on unless you sell the nvidia card and buy two ATI cards.


If you want to save the $100.00 as if two cards are not going to be in your future then yes go and buy the P5B as it is a decent/great board as well with some potential of overclocking in it.

There is also the ASUS P5B-PLUS which is a very nice board as well and is around $149.00.

I am not sure if the P5B Plus board is PCIe 2.0, but you will need to look into this yourself.

Basically you have choices to what you want and how much you want to spend.

This is what i recommend, but again this is me.

- Maximus Formula

- ATI X3870

- 2 x 1GB DDR2 (800mhz no lower as it is pointless to buy) OCZ or Corsair are really good companies, but there is other memory which is cheaper.

Intel Q6600 Quad-Core

Or

Intel 6850 Dual-Core

Or

Intel 6750 Dual-Core

I am not sure what PSU and case you have, but if you have a very good 500w - 600w PSU you should be OK.

Sure it may run you $1000.00 plus tax and shipping with a Quad-Core setup and a Really Excellent Mobo, but you will be set for sometime before ever needing to upgrade again.

Now of course you can pick the $100.00 mobo which is a great mobo for you and save more money and buy a Intel Dual-Core if your not going to be gaming or doing a lot of Video Work.

It is all up to you now to decide.

Hans
01-03-2008, 06:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drools</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a new Samsung LCD monitor, I upgraded that last year. What I'm saying is 800x600 is acceptable for me and yes 600--&gt;700+ was what I had planned on spending.
I'm a database guy, you know SQL etc, not so much into the hardware anymore. I used to keep up to date on the hardware scene but I just don't have the time anymore, hence the question to you guys. I have done some research on my own and came up with the following.
Intel C2D E6750 2.66GHZ FSB1333M 4M S775,229.99
ASUS P5B Conroe/SATARAID/965/GBLAN,164.79
ATI X1950GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-E 16X,205.99
Kingston DDRII-800 1G Non-ECC CL5 DIMM,82.39
Western Digital 160GB 7200RPM 8M SATA2,59.99
Antec EarthWatts EA430 Power supply 430W,69.99

Not sure if the RAM I picked is compatible...
This is sort of a base list. I think the ATX case I have now should be good enough. </div></div>

I don't know where you got these prices, but that's about 100-150 to much for those components.
I can show you a cheaper place to buy these components. Just PM me if interested.

But if you plan on purchasing the above, do upgrade the Power Supply. 430 Watts is pretty low and could lead to system stability problems.
And I would also look at a 8000 series card. For about 30$ more then the price you listed for the video card, you can get a 8800 GT. That would be a very great improvement over the 1950GT, especially for gaming and linux.

\m/ Rich \m/
01-04-2008, 02:34 AM
i have an nvidia 8800GTS 640mb card for sale here:

http://www.soonet.ca/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=508214&page=1#Post508214

Drools
01-04-2008, 06:07 PM
Hans you are over your "private topic limit", that is the error I get.
Sorry Rich, I'm a few weeks out before I purchase anything. If you still have your card in a few weeks time I will PM you.
Thx

\m/ Rich \m/
01-05-2008, 09:34 AM
np,i thought i'd elt you know.

Hans: Clean your box out, i tried to pm you too.

General Lee
01-05-2008, 10:27 AM
Hans where u getting these deals from? can u pm me i tried to pm u but your box is full

Hans
01-06-2008, 03:46 PM
I will empty my box, I did not get notified it was full...

Let the PM's flow, lol

Drools
09-04-2008, 10:08 PM
I decided to wait until school was back to order the boys new computer. 6 months is a long time in PC hardware, what do you guys think of the following list? I'm going to order the parts at the end of the month.
Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400, 3.00-GHz @ 1333Mhz w/ 6Mb Cache (Socket 775) (Retail Box) w/ Heat Sink & Fan
Asus® P5Q3 Deluxe Wifi-AP, Socket 775, Intel® P45Chipset w/ PCI Express x16 (ATX)
Western Digital Caviar SE 160GB SATA2 7200RPM 8MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year MFR Warranty
OCZ Platinum OCZ3P13334GK 4GB DDR3 PC3-10666 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL 7-7-7-20 Dual Channel Memory Kit
HIS Radeon HD 3870 ICEQ3 775MHZ 512MB 256BIT GDDR4 PCI-E 2XDVI HDTV Out Video Card
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black

GirlNextDoor
09-05-2008, 12:51 AM
i havent read anything good bout teh ocz power supplies. check out the silverstone zeus power supplies as tehy are the same price and better power supplies.

Once my osap for school comes in im putting a new machine together.

Madmax
09-05-2008, 09:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Drools</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I decided to wait until school was back to order the boys new computer. 6 months is a long time in PC hardware, what do you guys think of the following list? I'm going to order the parts at the end of the month.
Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400, 3.00-GHz @ 1333Mhz w/ 6Mb Cache (Socket 775) (Retail Box) w/ Heat Sink & Fan

Asus® P5Q3 Deluxe Wifi-AP, Socket 775, Intel® P45Chipset w/ PCI Express x16 (ATX)

Western Digital Caviar SE 160GB SATA2 7200RPM 8MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year MFR Warranty

OCZ Platinum OCZ3P13334GK 4GB DDR3 PC3-10666 2X2GB DDR3-1333 CL 7-7-7-20 Dual Channel Memory Kit

HIS Radeon HD 3870 ICEQ3 775MHZ 512MB 256BIT GDDR4 PCI-E 2XDVI HDTV Out Video Card

OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black</div></div>

I would get a 640GB Seagate drive and partition 60-100GB for windows and break up the rest of the space in two more partitons. They are on sale for around $85.00 and have a 5 year warranty to boot, plus it is 32mb drive.

Mnay people state (i don't need that much space) point is the price per performance over a 160gb and other drives is what you will want for gaming .. 97.2 MB of read instead of 65-67MB on a 160GB unit.

As for PSU i would get at least a 650w Thermaltake Toughpower to ensure for any future upgrade such as video cards or more memory and so forth.

I run both of those products i listed and no issues as of yet.

Also a 3870 is a OK/Great card for gaming and will suite you fine for what you want to do and play many other games as well, but in the future (like 3-6 months) i recommend getting a higher model like a 4850 or 4870 for future gaming.

Other then those ideas/suggestions all else seems good.

What computer case did you pick?

Drools
09-05-2008, 05:03 PM
I have a couple cases that ATX cases that are just sitting on my shelf. Very good idea on the power supply, if I were to do crossfire on them I would need the extra watts.
The guy at ncix is bound & determined to sell me DDR2 on the P5Q or P5Q deluxe, he also mentioned the P5QC which is a hybrid DDR2/3 board. I told them I want the P5Q3 DDR3 board as it has 4 DDR3 slots.

Madmax
09-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Yeah as you can see in my signature what i am running the Asus P5Q series whether DDR2 or DR33 are awesome boards, but the P5Q deluxe is the most popular in DDR2 series and the most stable.

As for DDR3 well of course the P5Q3 Deluxe is popular and from what i have been reading is a good mobo.

The only thing is you don't really need DDR3 as good DDR2 is just as fast as DDR3 or i should state that the other way, basically DDR3 is not much and i mean not much faster then DDR2 as the latency and timings are slower on DDR3.

This is why opted to stay with DDR2 and my DDR2 mobo instead of going DDR3 which is more expensive then DDR2.

You could save more money with DDR2 and mobo and put that saved money into a HD 4850 video card which would be a build similar to mine and if you got a 640GB drive too you would be similar to what i am running.... /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Keep in mind if you did not realize this (These DDR3 boards do not support and will never support the new Intel Nehalem CPU's totally different socket and architecture) so DDR3 without Nehalem is a waste IMO and many others as well.

What i am running:

Intel E8600 @ 4.0ghz (soon 4.2ghz stable i hope)
P5Q Deluxe P45
HIS 4850 (i want another one to make 2 x 4850's)
4gb G.Skill DDR2-8000 @ 1066mhz (stock speed is 1000mhz)
TT ToughPower 650w
1 x Seagate 640GB (soon to be 2 x 640gb in Raid 0)
Antec 900 series computer case.
LG Sata DVD writer.

Drools
09-05-2008, 10:48 PM
I was leaning toward DDR3 because I can only afford to build them a new PC every 3 to 4 years. I want to be able to maybe double the ram in 2 years and breathe a little more life into the systems until the next upgrade. I two years I'm thinking DDR3 will be main stream and much less expensive.

Asus makes good boards however, I'm wondering if this board
might be a better buy as I do not need the dual lan and a few other features on the P5Q3.

Intel BOXDP45SG Skyburg ATX LGA774 P45 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI SATA2 eSATA 1394A Motherboard
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=30485&vpn=BOXDP45SG&manufacture=Intel

Madmax
09-05-2008, 11:14 PM
I have no experience with that mobo and it appears no one has bought it yet. I suggest doing some google searching to find out more about it.

If it were me i would stick with the Asus mobo.

Drools
09-06-2008, 12:56 PM
ok so I may drop the DDR3 requirement and pick a P45/DDR2 motherboard. I'm thinking the P5Q Pro with it's 2 PCIe-e16 slots should be fine. The deluxe version offers a 3rd PCIe-e16 but I can't think what I would use it for.

Drools
09-06-2008, 01:23 PM
I have been tweaking my order just a bit. I can order 3 of the following systems for just about 2,200.00. I need a new system as well but I was only going to up-grade the boys but maybe I can get one for myself as well. In 2004 I built 4 systems on the DFI NFII-400-AL, 512MB DDR2, AMD 2600+ barton, 128MB ATI video. I upgraded the memory last year to 1 gig and a 2nd HD to each which helped but now I'm at the end of life for these systems. Maybe I can get 100.00 for them now /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

new list
ASUS P5Q Pro ATX LGA775 P45 DDR2 2PCI-E16 Crossfire 3PCI-E1 2PCI SATA2 Sound GBLAN eSATA Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail
Patriot Extreme Performance 4GB 2X2GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL4-4-4-12 EPP Dual Channel Memory Kit
Diamond Viper Radeon HD 3870 512MB GDDR4 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP HDMI HDTV Out Video Card
Western Digital SE16 500GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Cache 8.9MS NCQ Hard Drive OEM 3YR MFR Warranty
OCZ StealthXStream 600W ATX12V 20/24PIN Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black

Drools
09-06-2008, 04:59 PM
I just did a side by side on Asus site, it says the Pro does not support CrossFire. I will stick with the Deluxe if I go with the DDR2.

GirlNextDoor
09-06-2008, 06:22 PM
this is the list of what my next system build is:

Silverstone Zeus ST75ZF 750W ATX12V 24PIN Power Supply W/80MM Fan Active PFC Quad SLI Certified

Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 LGA775 S754 S939 S940 W/120MM Fan

Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2X2048-8500C5DF 2GB 2X1GB DDR2-1066 240PIN Dual Channel Memory W/ Fan

Thermaltake SopranoRS 101 Mid Tower ATX Case Black 4X5.25 2X3.5 5X3.5INT No PSU Side Window

EVGA Nforce 750I SLI Ftw LGA775 ATX DDR2 2PCI-E16 1PCI-E1 2PCI SATA RAID Sound GBLAN Motherboard

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Quad Core Processor LGA775 Kentsfield 2.40GHZ 1066FSB 8MB Retail Box

and a 640gb sata2 seagate hdd.

comes to bout 850 with shipping and what not.

AmdWolfman
09-06-2008, 06:32 PM
should get a raptor HD

Drools
10-04-2008, 05:21 PM
This is the hardware I settled on and I'm quite happy with how it all went together and the performance of the systems. The cost of the parts before shipping and taxes was 810.00$
Samsung SH-S223Q/BEBN Black DVD+RW 22X8X16 DVD-RW 22X6X16 DL16X/12X Lightscribe DVD Writer SATA OEM
Corsair XMS3 TWIN3X2048-1333C9 G 2GB DDR3 2X1GB DDR3-1333 CL 9-9-9-27 Dual Channel Memory Kit
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Dual Core Processor LGA775 3.0GHZ Wolfdale 1333FSB 6MB Retail
Intel BOXDP45SG Skyburg ATX LGA775 P45 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI SATA2 eSATA 1394A Motherboard
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610W EPS12V ATX V2.2 24PIN SLI Ready Active PFC 80MM Fan Power Supply
Visiontek Radeon 3870 OC Edition 512MB GDDR4 PCI-E 2XDVI Video Card
Western Digital Caviar SE16 640GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB Hard Drive OEM