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03-10-2008, 06:51 PM
We meaning the Roman Catholic Church.
hmm, why didn't the above article mention Erasmus or Cajetan? If the canon had been settled and was irrefutably locked and loaded by those church councils, you;d think someone as high up as Cajetan would have know about it. Yet read on...
Luther’s opponent at Augsburg, Cardinal Cajetan, following Jerome, expressed doubts concerning the canonicity of Hebrews, James, 2 and 3 John, and Jude. Of the latter three he stated, “;They are of less authority than those which are certainly Holy Scripture.” Erasmus likewise expressed doubts concerning Revelation as well as the apostolicity of James, Hebrews and 2 Peter. It was only as the Protestant Reformation progressed, and as Luther’s willingness to excise books from the canon threatened Rome that, at Trent, the Roman Catholic Church hardened its consensus stand on the extent of the New Testament canon into a conciliar pronouncement.;
Apocryphal books appeared in Protestant Bibles prior to the Council of Trent, and were generally placed in a separate section because they were not considered to be of equal authority. Even Roman Catholic scholars through the Reformation period made the distinction between the Apocrypha and the canon. Cardinal Ximenes made that distinction in his Complutensian Polyglot (1514-17) on the very eve of the Reformation. Cardinal Cajetan, who opposed Luther at Augsburg in 1518, published a Commentary on all the Authentic Historical Books of the Old Testament that did not include the Apocrypha in a.d. 1532. Luther spoke against the Apocrypha in his Bible published in 1543 by placing its books in the back.27
Geisler, N. L., & Nix, W. E. (1996, c1986). A general introduction to the Bible. Includes indexes. Includes a short-title checklist of English translations of the Bible (chronologically arranged). (Rev. and expanded.) (269). Chicago: Moody Press.
03-11-2008, 02:14 PM
"It is a fact of history that the Council of Carthage, which was held in 397 A.D., mainly through the influence of St Augustine, settled the Canon or Collection of New Testament Scriptures as we Catholics have them now, and decreed that its decision should be sent on to Rome for confirmation."
..is obviously a problem, since the church then took another 1100 or so years to settle on the canon?? Interesting.
Hey guys...not one rebuttal that the Bible you use comes from the RCC.
Why is that?
Because you can't form a rebuttal.
Barry, it's expected.
Ayd...well, that says a lot about what it takes to be a Protestant minister today. Either he isn't trying, or Protestantism is a whole lot worse than even I imagined.
that's what I thought.. reach for ad hominem when you cannot deal with the substance, eh?
I will keep watching for substance, but until then, I am too busy for this.
03-11-2008, 09:15 PM
OK, fine. The bible we use does NOT come from the RCC. The RCC did not decide exactly what the bible WAS for 1100 years.
The bible we use comes from God.
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