View Full Version : A new 9-11 Investigation Needed like now!

04-03-2008, 08:35 AM
Remember Solicitor General Ted Olson on National Tv stateing how his wife contacted him while the plane she was in was Highjacked.

Didn't happen!


Punch on where the ticker flashes on the screen talking about new evidence.

04-03-2008, 09:00 PM
Late in the day on 9-11,CNN put out a story that began:

"Barbra Olson,a conservative commentator and attorney,alerted her husband,Solicitor General Ted Olson,that the plane she was on was being highjacked.Tuesday morning,Ted Olson told CNN." According to this strory,Olson reported that his wife had "called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77," saying that "all pasangers and flight personnel,including the pilots,were herded to the back of the plane by armed highjackers.

The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.

Ted Olson's report was very important.

It provided the ONLY evidence that American 77,which was said to have struck the Pentagon,had still been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9AM (there had been reports,after this disappearance,that an airliner had crashed on the Ohio-Kentucky border)

Also,Barbra Olson had been a very well-known commentator on CNN.The report that she had died in a plane that had been highjacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the Nation's support for the Bush Administration's "War on Terror."

Ted Olson's report was important in still another way,being the sole sourse of the widely accepted idea that the highjackers had box cutters.

However,although Ted Olson's report of phone calls from his wife has been a central pillar of the Offical account of 9/11,this report has been completly undermined.

04-03-2008, 10:50 PM
Olson's Self-Contradictions

Olson began this process of undermining by means of self-contradictions.He first told CNN,as we have seen,that his wife had "called him twice on a cell phone." But he contradicted this claim on September 14,telling Hannity and Colmes that she had reached him by calling the Department of Justice collect.There-fore,she must have been using the "air-plane phone,he surmised,because"she some-how didn't have access to her credit cards."

How-ever,this version of Olson's story,besides contradicting his first version,was even self contradictory,because a credit card is needed to activate a passenger seat phone.

Later that same day,moreover,Olson told Larry King live that the second call from his wife suddenly went dead because "the signals from the cell phones coming from the airplanes don't work that well."

After that return to his first version,he finally settled on the second version,sdaying that his wife had called collect and nence must have used "the phone in the passengers seats" because she did not have her purse.

By finally settling on this story,Olson avoided a technological pitfall.Given the cell phone system employed in 2001,high altitude cell phone calls from airliners were impossible,or at least virtually so (Olson's statement that "the signals from cell phones coming from air-planes don't work well" was a considerable understatement).The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created untill 2004.

How-ever Olson's second story,besides being self contradictory,was contradicted by American Airlines.

04-04-2008, 06:23 PM
American Airlines Contradicts Olson's Second Version

A 9-11 researcher,knowing that AA flight 77 was a boeing 757,noticed that AA's web-site indicated that it's 757's do NOT have passenger seat phones.After he wrote to ask if that had been the case on September 11,2001,an AA customer service representative replied:"That is correct,we do NOT have phones on our Boeing 757.The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal celluar phones to make calls during the "Terrorist attack."

In responce to this revelation,defenders of the "
Offical story might reply that Ted Olson was evidently right the first time:she had used her cell phone.

How-ever,besides the fact that this senario is rendered unlikely by the cell phone technology employeed in 2001,it has been contradicted by the FBI

04-04-2008, 06:37 PM
Olson's story contradicted by ther FBI

The most serious offical contradiction of Ted Olson's story came in 2006 at the trial of Zacarius Moussaoui,the so-called 20th highjacker.The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on American Flight 77,the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbra Olson and it was an "unconnected call." which (of course) lasted "0 Seconds."

According to the FBI,therefore,Ted Olson did NOT recieve a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone.

Back on 9/11,the FBI itself had interviewd Olson,a report of that interview indicates that Olson told the FBI agents that his wife had called him twice from Flight 77. And yet the fBI's report on calls from Flight 77 presented in 2006,indicated that NO such calls ocurred.

This was an AMAZING development:The FBI is part of the Department of Justice,and yet its report undermined the well publiced claim of the DOJ's former Solicitor General that he had received two calls from hios wife on 9-11.

04-04-2008, 09:00 PM
Olson's Story Also rejected by Pentagon Historians

ted Olson's story has also been quietly rejected by the Historians who wrote Pentagon 9/11,a treatment of the Pentagon attack put out by the Department of Justice.

According to Olson,his wife had said that "All passangers and flight personnel,including the pilots,were herded to the back of the plane by armed highjackers."

This is an inherently IMPLAUSIBLE SENARIO.

We are supposed to believe that 60 some people,including the two pilots,were held at bay by three or four men(one or two of the highjackers would have been in the [censored]-pit) with knives and boxcutters.This senario becomes even more absurd when we realize that the alleged highjackers were ALL small,UNathletic men(the 9-11 Commission pointed out that even "(the so-called muscle highjackers usally were NOT physically imposing,as the majority of them were be-tween 5ft 5 inches and 5ft and seven inches in height and slender in build")and that the pilot,Charles "Chic Burlingame,was a weight lifter and a Boxer,who was described as "Really Tough" by one of his earstwhile opponents.Also the idea that Burlingame who would have turned over the plane to highjackers was rejected by his brother,who said:"i don't know what happened in that [censored]-pit,but i'm sure that they would have had to incapacitate him or kill him because he would have done ANY-THING to prevent the kind of tragedy that befell that air-plane."

The Pentagon historians,in any case,did NOY accept the OLSON story,according to which Burlingame and his co-pilot did give up their plane and were in the back with the passangers and other crew members.They instead wrote that "the attackers either incapacitated or murdered the two pilots"

Barry Morris
04-04-2008, 09:23 PM
"...he would have done ANY-THING to prevent the kind of tragedy that befell that air-plane."

Of course he would. So would anyone. BUT NO ONE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

Most hijacking scenarios ended with the passengers safe.

Thses days passengers know that is not necessarily the case. Which is why there haven't been any hijackings.

04-12-2008, 02:35 PM
Are you reading any of the articles printed BarrY?

04-24-2008, 01:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you reading any of the articles printed BarrY? </div></div> Hello..Barry..hello.

04-25-2008, 11:12 PM


04-26-2008, 01:35 PM
Thats you RWGR in the center.LOL.

04-26-2008, 02:11 PM
that was funny

04-26-2008, 02:25 PM
No, in the picture I have he is the one sitting on the stone, if I remember correctly.

04-26-2008, 02:28 PM
Ask Adi to show you some of the pics she has of me.


04-26-2008, 02:30 PM
Come on RWGR, everybody knows what's posted on the internet about you, and what you posted in the past years. Very amusing at times.

04-26-2008, 02:32 PM
She showed you, eh?

04-26-2008, 02:38 PM
No, anybody knows about the way back machine and how to use it.

Jack Butler
04-29-2008, 03:11 PM
Here you go!


04-29-2008, 04:20 PM
I did not know this RWGR is a hockey fan.

Been around the game for 35 years
Played for fifteen years
Coached for six years (currently at the HS level)
Officiated for nine years (two at Midget AAA level)

That's impressive!

04-29-2008, 06:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I did not know this RWGR is a hockey fan. </div></div>

Good lord, your more dense than even I thought!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

04-29-2008, 07:04 PM
You are more impressive then I thought. (On the hockey part that is).