baptism or alterative for non religious couples?

[kinkysquiggles]

Posting for a friend (again)
I would like to do *something* for my two girls. I am not an overly religious person. Are they alternatives to traditional baptisms? What is involved in a baptism? Does it have to be done in a church? Please share any ideas!

[Soundbear]

Baptism is the outward sign of an inward change, a submission to God.

Even if you don't care what God thinks about you, don't risk mocking Him in this way.

Good thing you're not consdiering Jewish rituals, circumcision for instance.

[Karen-Annie]

Baptism is a rite of Christianity. In simple terms,especially for infant baptism, it welcomes them into Christianity. There are far deeper significances too.And the parents profess their faith and promise to raise the child to be a "good" Christian.

My suggestion would be that,if they want some sort of ceremony, they should have a blessing ceremony. Professor Zed on here would be a good person to check with about the various options.

[Jackie B]

The only alternative I've heard of is a dedication ceremony, but if you're not religious, and don't go to church, there's not much point in dedicating your children to God, it would just be lip service.

[Verotik]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: You Can Call Me Princess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Posting for a friend (again)
I would like to do *something* for my two girls. I am not an overly religious person. Are they alternatives to traditional baptisms? What is involved in a baptism? Does it have to be done in a church? Please share any ideas! </div></div>

maybe a nice tattoo?

[Soundbear]

"stop being childish by verotik667"

[Calis]

Or you could just pour a bottle of water on the kids head. Thats really all they do at a church anyways. Just be like "I bless this water.. yadda..." and pour. Does the samething.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Calis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or you could just pour a bottle of water on the kids head. Thats really all they do at a church anyways. Just be like "I bless this water.. yadda..." and pour. Does the samething. </div></div>

I certainly have heard that nickname before. Thought I would research it a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French_profanity

câlice (calice) - "chalice"
or
câlice: câline, câlif, câlique, câline de bine, décolisser , colisse

I suspect maybe you didn't know that.

[ProfessorZed]

Some non-religious families hold a formal naming/welcoming ceremony for little ones. While it generally omits any dedication to God or a particular religious tradition, it fulfills the other purpose of baptism/Christening, which is the establishment of a community social bond around the child.

Princess, go ahead and toss me a note, or have your friend do so. I'd be happy to discuss some ideas, at the very least.

[RuMoR]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Baptism is the outward sign of an inward change, a submission to God.</div></div>

Just to elaborate on what Barry said, baptism should is a decision that should be left up to the person getting it. If it's you who wants to baptize your child, you might as well just do it in your own tub. As it will hold no real meaning/value.

On a side note: I.. God came into my life at 31. I wanted to be baptized as well, unfortunately I was unable to chose a church to do it in, as I don't follow any religious beliefs other than the fact that I know God exists. When I went to my families church, they gave me a handbook about all the rules (for their church) basically telling me I had to become a member of that church, and that church only. Needless to say, I have yet to be baptized.

[Soundbear]

I wonder if you read into the rules of the church more than they intended. My church insists that you be baptized to be a member. Which I don't think is unreasonable, seeing that Christ Himself was baptized.

But the only reason I have to JOIN a particular group is to be able to have a vote. I'm already part of the church, the body of Christ, regardless.

[Limitations]

By Ms. Marisa Belsito

For the General Readership:

No doubt there were religious customs before the Crucifixion.

There was a real reason for the Wrongful Prosecution to have been allowed to happen along with the subsequent deliberate and worst Miscarriage of Justice.

Also when emphasis is put on ritualism the mindset is simply one of religiosity and is comparable to the legalistic type.

[RuMoR]

Nope, I'm sure I read it right. You'd think it would read "Be Baptized to be a member.." but they had it bass ackwards. Besides, I use to go to church when I was younger to have fun with the youth activities.. I use to think you had to go to church to find God. I have come to realize nothing could be further from the truth, that you find God alone, and go to church to praise/be with other believers. I'd just like to find a few in my own age bracket. I could use a few new friends.

To stay on topic.. I am still looking to be baptized as well.

[Limitations]

This is meant for clarification.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Ms. Marisa Belsito

For the General Readership:

No doubt there were religious customs before the Crucifixion.

There was a real reason for the Wrongful Prosecution to have been allowed to happen along with the subsequent deliberate and worst Miscarriage of Justice.

Also when emphasis is put on ritualism the mindset is simply one of religiosity and is comparable to the legalistic type.
</div></div>

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RuMoR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope, I'm sure I read it right. You'd think it would read "Be Baptized to be a member.." but they had it bass ackwards. Besides, I use to go to church when I was younger to have fun with the youth activities.. I use to think you had to go to church to find God. I have come to realize nothing could be further from the truth, that you find God alone, and go to church to praise/be with other believers. I'd just like to find a few in my own age bracket. I could use a few new friends.

To stay on topic.. I am still looking to be baptized as well. </div></div>

Please, would ya PM me the name of the church. I'm really curious here.

I can understand that it would be a difficult for a pastor to bring himself to baptize someone he didn't know. He would expect you to attend church, and other church related functions so he and/or the church folk could get to know you. So there's one more reason to go to church.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can understand that it would be a difficult for a pastor to bring himself to baptize someone he didn't know. He would expect you to attend church, and other church related functions so he and/or the church folk could get to know you</div></div>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>WHAT???????????????</span>

[Soundbear]

I'm curious. Do your priests perform all the sacraments on or for every Tom, [censored] and Harry that walks in the door??

[BlueSky]

Why a person wants their baby to be baptised 'non-religiously' baffles me.

Baptism means you follow Jesus to the death.

[Soundbear]

I'm so sorry that the shortform of the name Richard is censored. Bizarre. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if you read into the rules of the church more than they intended. My church insists that you be baptized to be a member. Which I don't think is unreasonable, seeing that Christ Himself was baptized.

But the only reason I have to JOIN a particular group is to be able to have a vote. I'm already part of the church, the body of Christ, regardless. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can understand that it would be a difficult for a pastor to bring himself to baptize someone he didn't know. He would expect you to attend church, and other church related functions so he and/or the church folk could get to know you </div></div>

I'm confused Barry... I am reading that to be baptized you have to first be a member of the church so the pastor has a chance to get to know you, yet to be a member of the church you need to first be baptized?
Am I reading this right?

[GenX]

If you don't need to be baptized to be saved, why be baptized?

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if you read into the rules of the church more than they intended. My church insists that you be baptized to be a member. Which I don't think is unreasonable, seeing that Christ Himself was baptized.

But the only reason I have to JOIN a particular group is to be able to have a vote. I'm already part of the church, the body of Christ, regardless. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I can understand that it would be a difficult for a pastor to bring himself to baptize someone he didn't know. He would expect you to attend church, and other church related functions so he and/or the church folk could get to know you </div></div>

I'm confused Barry... I am reading that to be baptized you have to first be a member of the church so the pastor has a chance to get to know you, yet to be a member of the church you need to first be baptized?
Am I reading this right? </div></div>

Nope, didn't say that, Whaddya figure, there's a tollgate at the door?? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Lots of peole attend my church, sometimes for years before becoming members. Some of them even teach Sunday School or other volunteer stuff. If they beome members in a consitutionally organized church, they would then have a vote.

I do repeat however, any born-again believer in Jesus is part of His church.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't need to be baptized to be saved, why be baptized? </div></div>

Why indeed?? Was Jesus baptized to be saved, or was there some other purpose??

Its the public declaration that is the point.

[Limitations]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is meant for clarification.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Ms. Marisa Belsito

For the General Readership:

No doubt there were religious customs before the Crucifixion.

There was a real reason for the Wrongful Prosecution to have been allowed to happen along with the subsequent deliberate and worst Miscarriage of Justice.

Also when emphasis is put on ritualism the mindset is simply one of religiosity and is comparable to the legalistic type.
</div></div> </div></div>

[dancingqueen]

tell us once, it's an opinion, tell us twice you are making sure we heard. a third time is forcing your thoughts on others. Perhaps if you would like some opinions directed from your post you could try re-wording it instead of trying to sound like a pompous smart-[censored]

[Limitations]

I am sure if you want you are able to come up with a lot more excuses and lies.

I can recall being faced with a horrendous amount of thug type activity in more than one situation. The expectation was that I was to be confused and intimidated into silence as though I had no rights.

You could have considered politely asking me questions instead of blaming me for the nonsense.

Ms. Marisa Belsito

[dancingqueen]

What the hell are you talking about??? I am not trying to silence you, I am letting you know that you are forcing your thoughts on others by repeating the same drivel over and over. I am also letting you know that you will likely have more people listen to you or even comment on your posts if you stopped making your messages in this pompous snot-bag method... you don't sound more intelligent, just so you know.......
.....
For your readership.

[Soundbear]

Ms. Belsito, I have to agree with Dancing Queen. Your repetitions and verbose writing style do NOT encourage civil debate.

[RuMoR]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you don't need to be baptized to be saved, why be baptized? </div></div>

Why indeed?? Was Jesus baptized to be saved, or was there some other purpose??

Its the public declaration that is the point. </div></div>

Exactly. To another post of yours, A: PM'd you the name B: I started to attend a new church last Sun, and when I mentioned that I wanted to be baptized to the pastor, the first thing that came out of his mouth, "you should come this Thur. night, we're having a discussion about it, and we're having a baptism soon if you want to come.." something along those lines.

[Soundbear]

Better luck at this church.

I know the one you mention. They do like their little handbooks. Next time I'm in there, I'll have to ask them about baptism.

I reviewed the original post that started this. I'd just like to point out that most baptism rituals include either the words, "in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost" or "in the name of Jesus". Since the "name" referred to in the former IS Jesus, I'd have to wonder who you think Jesus Christ is??

[Limitations]

By Ms. Marisa Belsito

There is no reason to debate what is right and true nor to blame me for exercising my right to assert, protect and defend it.

[Limitations]

For the General Readership:
By Ms. Marisa Belsito

Debating is worthwhile when the facts are not clear as well as when there is a sincere interest and desire to question in order to try to find the right answer or SOLUTION.

It also has meaning if one is considering needed change of CHARACTER and the worth of sincerity.

Genuine effort to be of good behaviour naturally is a reasonable expectation.

[starterwiz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is meant for clarification.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Ms. Marisa Belsito

For the General Readership:

No doubt there were religious customs before the Crucifixion.

There was a real reason for the Wrongful Prosecution to have been allowed to happen along with the subsequent deliberate and worst Miscarriage of Justice.

Also when emphasis is put on ritualism the mindset is simply one of religiosity and is comparable to the legalistic type.
</div></div> </div></div> </div></div>

Oh. That makes your first statement SO much more clear. Thank you for the clarification. The explanation that you so thoughtfully provided about the previous post makes so much more sense than the babbling nonsense you originally typed.

I'm not being redundant, am I?

[Soundbear]

Nah!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[starterwiz]

For clarification
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: starterwiz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is meant for clarification.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Ms. Marisa Belsito

For the General Readership:

No doubt there were religious customs before the Crucifixion.

There was a real reason for the Wrongful Prosecution to have been allowed to happen along with the subsequent deliberate and worst Miscarriage of Justice.

Also when emphasis is put on ritualism the mindset is simply one of religiosity and is comparable to the legalistic type.
</div></div> </div></div> </div></div>

Oh. That makes your first statement SO much more clear. Thank you for the clarification. The explanation that you so thoughtfully provided about the previous post makes so much more sense than the babbling nonsense you originally typed.

I'm not being redundant, am I? </div></div>

How 'bout now?

[Soundbear]

Well, I guess I might call the second post unneeded, superfluous, unnecessary, uncalled for, too much, beyond the pale, not required, surplus, excessive and extra. But that's just me.

[Limitations]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: starterwiz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For clarification
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: starterwiz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is meant for clarification.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Limitations</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By Ms. Marisa Belsito

For the General Readership:

No doubt there were religious customs before the Crucifixion.

There was a real reason for the Wrongful Prosecution to have been allowed to happen along with the subsequent deliberate and worst Miscarriage of Justice.

Also when emphasis is put on ritualism the mindset is simply one of religiosity and is comparable to the legalistic type.
</div></div> </div></div> </div></div>

Oh. That makes your first statement SO much more clear. Thank you for the clarification. The explanation that you so thoughtfully provided about the previous post makes so much more sense than the babbling nonsense you originally typed.

I'm not being redundant, am I? </div></div>

How 'bout now? </div></div>
You are being disrespectful and dishonest and I can see that you have been that way for quite the length of time. Despite all the bad influence it does not justify any of it.

[BlueSky]

Someone's got to pull the plug on this lady. Like a virus she is ruining the boards.