UNSTOPPABLE

[GenX]

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[Jack Butler]

Close down the car industry!
Hockey already stopped in Detroit with empty sets and all!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Close down the car industry!
Hockey already stopped in Detroit with empty sets and all!


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LINK (http://www.soonet.ca/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=611915&page=1#Post611915)

[GenX]

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Captain Canada</span>

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[Jack Butler]

Really to bad.
Who will get the team, Toledo?

[riggs]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 26pt'>Captain Canada</span>

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890249/Crosby.jpg </div></div>

He's just a kid.Give him time to mature and toughen mentally then maybe we'll see if he can bring it to the next level.
He has shown he's capable of great plays and hopefully he keeps getting better.

Beside you shouldn't be too hard on him, after all, his favorite player was Yzerman.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Really to bad.
Who will get the team, Toledo?



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"Too", Jack...the word is T-O-O

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: riggs</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 26pt'>Captain Canada</span>

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/890249/Crosby.jpg </div></div>

He's just a kid.Give him time to mature and toughen mentally then maybe we'll see if he can bring it to the next level.
He has shown he's capable of great plays and hopefully he keeps getting better.

Beside you shouldn't be too hard on him, after all, his favorite player was Yzerman. </div></div>

He sure doesn't show many leadership qualities. He makes excuses and whines about the officiating. That is the last thing a leader does.

Henrik Zetterberg has shown he is the better all-around player. Crosby is a media creation, who puts up big numbers in a relatively easy East. Look how Detroit is making Sid look very average.

[Jack Butler]

So, you agree, I knew it!

[GenX]

I agree Detroit is making Captain Canada look very average, yes.

[Jack Butler]

Now your making sh*t up again.
You really have nothing!

[GenX]

I am your master, Jackie.

[Jack Butler]

Quite a complex on ah!

[GenX]

Is that English?

[Jack Butler]

The poultry is jealous.
Damn cars, damn imports, damn Canadians.
Your a joke, really!

[GenX]

"You're", Jack...the word is Y-O-U-'R-E

[Jack Butler]

See!!!

[GenX]

Si Si!!

[Jack Butler]

So, they have been stopped!
What's next, you useless piece of poultry?

[GenX]

Who has been stopped, Mr. Knoff?

[Jack Butler]

So, they have been stopped!
What's next, you useless piece of poultry?

[GenX]

I love you, Jack

[Jack Butler]

Your nose must be in the next state.
You are a liar!

[GenX]

I have deep affections for you, Jack

[Jack Butler]

What happens when you get a cold?
That's a lot of tissue!

[riggs]

Detroit has made the entire team look average not just Crosby.Detroits puck control/positional play (which go hand and hand) will be the thorn in the side of the Penguins.

Crosby could do less whining but that's where the mental toughness comes into play.If he does mature we'll see a lot less whining and a greater focus when he's under pressure.
As for his leadership qualities,like you say,the whining has to go.It can't be a good quality to display in front of your team.

[GenX]

The Pens have the look of a future championship team, but one who is at least two years away from the Cup.

They are very reminiscent of the Detroit teams of the mid-nineties: on the cusp of greatness, but not quite there yet.

Malkin is mirroring Sergei Federov's playoff performances of the early-nineties; the goaltending is good, but not great; the captain needs to learn more about leadership; the team needs to learn how to lose and face adversity before they can win. Very similar to the Wings growing pains before they rattled off three Cups in seven years (and very possibly four Cups in eleven years).

Detroit has played through so much adversity in the last fifteen years they actually thrive on it; the Pens face adversity and wilt.

[Soundbear]

Yawn. Spend money, get a good team.

True in any sport, especially hockey.

[GenX]

Ever hear of a salary cap?

And why are you here? The only thing you know less about than religion and politics is sports. and that's amazing in itself.

[Jack Butler]

Mr. Morris's debating skills are far superior to yours, Buzzard.
His logic and commonsense approach leaves you in the dust!
All I can say about you is, you got a hell of a beard!

[Soundbear]

I suppose I have the advantage in that I KNOW i don't know much about sports.

But what I said is perfectly true.

[GenX]

Barry, Detroit is still winning in the salary cap era.

That totally refutes your theory.

[Soundbear]

Yawn.

Bums are not only put in the seats by players salaries.

[mercifulpenguin]

does that even make sense?
ya, it's been a heck of a series tho, detroit has dominated, and is no doubt the best team this season, but the Penguins keep showing it this series, but as far as consistency goes, the Wings own it. There were a few sketchy goalie-interference calls last night, but I was excited to see pittsburg score (and to see the game end!) I don't really care who wins, I'd like to see a game 7 tho.

[riggs]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yawn. Spend money, get a good team.

True in any sport, especially hockey. </div></div>

It's no longer about the money Barry.As RW said they have a cap which allows every team to spend the same amount.Detroit has become a power house for several reasons.An amazing scouting staff is the first clog in this system.They have the ability to find players( in the lower rounds) that their able to mold to their system thus giving them a balanced team within the cap.

Detroit also has one of the best GM's and coaches in the league.They have the players believing in their system making them a tough club to beat.
I'm not a Detroit fan, but as a fan of hockey I love to see a team execute a system in an almost effortless manner.There's not many coaches in the league (if any at present)that have had their team playing up to the level of the Wings.

Win or lose,Detroit is the better club and money is not a factor in their performance.

[Coach]

I have to agree about Detroit being the better team...but they do spend more money then say a team like Chicago or say Columbus...I believe theur payroll is in the top 5 in the league...but you have to realize Babcock knows how to win....with the exception of some early and late game butterflies...which cost them the game (and a terrific Fleury in net) he did what he needed to do to win and that is Bench the American...by this I mean Chelios...Babcock knows that to win you need a good mix of Canadian boys and Europeans...bench the American and all will work out....ohh...don't give me the injury line either as he is listed as day to day with a sore pinky I believe. Either way he was a Healthy Scratch last night...

[riggs]

There's no doubt Chelios is a healthy scratch.I believe he's been scratched for part of the last series and all of this one.If Babcock has a winning combination on the ice he won't change it. "don't fix what isn't broken"

Detroit may very well be in the top 5 for payroll.My point to Barry was the days of throwing money to buy a team are gone because of the cap.GM's need to be more intelligent to put the winning combination on the ice.

[Jack Butler]

Leave Barry alone.
He is right, again!
The Wing lets say have not wasted it, but they are spending a lot more than most.
The millions that put on or close to the cap are the most important and impossible for a lot of teams.
The ability to win and the want to win is the difference right now.
The shot on the game sheet show 58-32 Detroit!
The facts are, Detroit had 58 on net and 31 blocked shots by the Penguins.
Detroit blocked only 12 with the Pens 32 shots on net.
When a guy like Malone, after returning from his second broken nose this series, continues to drop in front of them, it speaks volumes to why the Pens won.
As for coaching, Babcock is letting them play.
He sends them out, but they decide on adjustments.
He is responsible for the system, but not the adjustments!
He as much as said that himself.

[oneof3]

Detroit is 15th in the league in salary

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/compare.php

If you can't do the research yourself, have a grownup help you.

[Jack Butler]

You have no credibility.
I give a rats as s.
Go play now!

[Soundbear]

Jack, isn't Riggs funny??

Player salary cap. OK, I understand that.

Is there a coach salary cap?? Is there a scout salary cap?? (or a cap on the little perks that might induce a player to come on board??) Is there an advertising cap?? How about a cap on non-salary perks for the players???

There are lots of ways for a team to spend money to be the best.

Do I know much about hockey?? Nope. But in any business, you have to spend to be successful.

[Jack Butler]

The web is a wonderful place.
Lots of facts and figures that support both sides.
It's good you know the difference!
Some, obviously don't.

[oneof3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You have no credibility.
I give a rats as s.
Go play now!


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Don't be bitter buttercup. If it makes you feel better, you're the first person I've ever witnessed void of lucidity. That's something...right?

[Jack Butler]

Useless!

[Soundbear]

Seems to think he's winger!!

[riggs]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Do I know much about hockey?? Nope. </div></div>

Little more needs to be said............ /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif

[Soundbear]

Knock it off Riggs, that's not a comment, that's a slam.

Argue with my point or just go away.

[riggs]

Let me see.........you have no hockey knowledge but you want to "argue" in the sports section.

But I should go away.... /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

You're a classic /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

[riggs]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1of3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Detroit is 15th in the league in salary

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/compare.php

If you can't do the research yourself, have a grownup help you.

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Well there goes the money issue out the window.15th highest salary but they win the Presidents trophy and find themselves in the finals.

Now how does that go? Oh ya......NEXT!!

[oneof3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Useless! </div></div>

And the self loathing continues. No Ritalin left?

[Jack Butler]

Nice job riggs!
You can think what you want.
The link and your opinion are only part of the story.
Next what?
You and the Buzzard make a good pair.
Your supposed victory is self appointed, much like hers.
The word "NEXT", only means you don't know how to answer the question.
As long as your happy?

[riggs]

I am happy,thanks for asking.....

[oneof3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your supposed victory is self appointed.
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Pot-Kettle-Black

[Jack Butler]

Ignorance is bliss!
I have never claimed victory, on any topic.
As I have said, I leave that, to the people that aren't in the debate, you know, others!
The Zero, the Buzzard and Iggy.
The Stooges have return!

[oneof3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ignorance is bliss!
I have never claimed victory, on any topic.
As I have said, I leave that, to the people that aren't in the debate, you know, others!
The Zero, the Buzzard and Iggy.
The Stooges have return!


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My bad. You would have actually had to win or look stupid. Oops. My bad again.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: riggs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me see.........you have no hockey knowledge but you want to "argue" in the sports section.

But I should go away.... /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

You're a classic /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif </div></div>

Excuse me Riggs, but I made the point that there is more to building a team than player salaries. This rule applies to all sports.

CAN you address that??

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ignorance is bliss!
I have never claimed victory, on any topic.
As I have said, I leave that, to the people that aren't in the debate, you know, others!
The Zero, the Buzzard and Iggy.
The Stooges have return!


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Come come now Jack. If RWGR is the Buzzard, 1of3 must be the Borg, just got one more to figure out!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Ah, aliteration!!!

[oneof3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Excuse me Riggs, but I made the point that there is more to building a team than player salaries. This rule applies to all sports.

CAN you address that?? </div></div>

Teams consist of players and players have salaries. Any money spent on a player falls into player salaries. There are no "gifts". Well, maybe in baseball, but the other sports with a cap have strict rules and unless you have documented proof that a team has broken these rules, lets stick to reality. If you can.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Come come now Jack. If RWGR is the Buzzard, 1of3 must be the Borg, just got one more to figure out!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Ah, aliteration!!! </div></div>

Yay, I'm a borg. Next in Barry's bag of tricks, the correct spelling of alliteration. Seriously, it loses it's zing when it's spelled incorrectly.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1of3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..Teams consist of players and players have salaries. Any money spent on a player falls into player salaries. There are no "gifts". Well, maybe in baseball, but the other sports with a cap have strict rules and unless you have documented proof that a team has broken these rules, lets stick to reality. If you can.

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Can you prove it's spelled incorrectly?? Who says so? Some dictionary?? Where did THEY get the information??? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Just funnin' ya.

I already suggested several areas where team management might spend more money to enhance their profitablility/winnning.

I'm not talking about anything illegal.

If a team spends a bazillion on an experienced coach, where another team can't afford it, they simply have a better chance to win.

If a team spends money on elite, luxurious dressing rooms, or private spectator boxes where the player's families can enjoy the game, they will improve their chances of getting the best players. Because even the best players realize that money isn't everything.

Salaries paid to players are not the whole story of the success of a team.

[oneof3]

Well, by all accounts, the Leafs do all of that as well or better than any other team. Where did they finish the last 3 years? Detroit likely has the best management system in the NHL, yet they don't spend anywhere near what other teams do on their single GM. Colorado and the Rangers spend a ton on their scouts, yet neither are near the top in prospects that are considered bluechip. Spending money and spending it wisely usually don't spend much time in the same place. Posters here can say what they want about Detroit, but, they are the stick other teams should measure themselves by. They continually draft late, yet pick great players and prospects and make shrewd decisions on all fronts. They are a mid market team that thinks like a small market team and plays like a big market team.

[Stingray]

Looks like Detroit is going to take it tonight.

[BlueSky]

Looks like the fat lady sings in about 3 minutes.

[Fyre]

Ahh well, hats off to the Pittsburgh Penguins and our local boy Tyler Kennedy for never giving up during this series.

[Super Gram]

Kudos to the pittsburg Penquins for the good hockey they played.
Roberts, Flower, Sid,Tyler,Jordan and all the rest of the kids.You have nothing to be ashamed of. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/beerchug.gif

Too bad whining Babcock had to play his 1st line every second shift.The head hunters were out in full force tonight eh!Zetterberg

I guess Babcock would have been fired if they didn't win it.

[haha]

wings have a good team, once they got that stupid hasek out of there there was no stopping them.

[riggs]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: riggs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me see.........you have no hockey knowledge but you want to "argue" in the sports section.

But I should go away.... /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

You're a classic /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif </div></div>

Excuse me Riggs, but I made the point that there is more to building a team than player salaries. This rule applies to all sports.

Actually Barry you said the following which is what I replied to.......
"Yawn. Spend money, get a good team.
True in any sport, especially hockey."


CAN you address that?? </div></div>

There seems little to address because of your contradiction

[Soundbear]

You must be a lawyer, if you see a contradiction there.

Fine.

[Coach]

Give me a break super gram....why aren't you critisizing Crosby for all of his hacking and slashing...and Therien for all of his whining even after he was rubber stamped to the finals by Betteman.... Speaking of whining wht about Crysby every time someone touches him.....please quit with the sour grapes

[riggs]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *Super Gram*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I guess Babcock would have been fired if they didn't win it. </div></div>

You're kidding,right?

[Jack Butler]

All it means is the odds makers got it right, sort of!
I wonder if Detroit covered the spread?
Probably not!
That would mean that Pittsburgh is better than even odds makers thought!
Detroit's abilities to dominate the puck possession, should have produced higher scores.
No question, the best team won, with the most imports and a non Canadian captain.
Lidstrom is probably the best import out of all imports, for this to have happened too.
I would have thought that this would have happened by now, considering how long ago the Canadian coach migrated to other countries to share the wealth!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That would mean that Pittsburgh is better than even odds makers thought! </div></div>

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[Jack Butler]

Detroit covered the spread?

[GenX]

The spread was Detroit in 6...so, ummm, yeah

[Jack Butler]

That would be...ah....no!