god says marry your rapist

[Verotik]

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

[Soundbear]

Interesting punishment from another culture.

How does that affect us???

[Soundbear]

An answer:

http://www.thechristadelphians.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3672&hl=rape&st=0

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. </div></div>

what Bible is this from?

[Larimar]

Isn't the old testament also a place where the culture/society wrote their laws of teh time? not necessarily the word of God..but political.?

[dancingqueen]

wait a sec... I read the link... so another verse says both shall die???? why is the raped to be held responsible from the raper?

also... since the annunciation of one's gender is so important in the Bible... what happens if a man is raped by a woman? is there a verse about that? very interesting indeed.. (and I am not being sarcastic)

[Braccarius]

Ever think that perhaps rape had a different meaning or things have been lost in translation?

[dancingqueen]

absolutely.
That's why I don't reserve any judgment.
but to be honest... what other meaning could rape have? On the hand of marrying her.. The Bible has clearly defined what marriage is in the past. It is difficult to misinterpret that.

[Larimar]

When translating another language to english there are times wheer words get switched or there is no real word with the same meaning in english-so it gets confused. That has happened with poems, books, and more than likely the bible as well.
There are some Jews who have said that demons in the Old testament meant for them, inner demons and illnesses-not evil , frightening, entities..just inner emotions..jealousy, greed, etc..Whereas the Christians interpret it as real fallen angels. So sometimes words can also have different meanings as well I suppose to different groups.

[KDawg]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)


If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. </div></div>

Which translation is that? From New Living Translation, the same verse reads,

"28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives."


It's not describing a rape at all. Competely changes the whole meaning.

[BlueSky]

good point, Kdawg. The word in the original just means 'to lie with'

Also, a non-virgin had no chance of being married and would have no means of support... so the guy you sleep with is the guy you marry.

[ProfessorZed]

That, and until fairly recently, rape was more a property crime (against the woman's father, husband, or other male proprietor) than an act of violence against a person.

[Verotik]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An answer:

http://www.thechristadelphians.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3672&hl=rape&st=0 </div></div>

that was a great link barry thanks

[Verotik]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dreamspirit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When translating another language to english there are times wheer words get switched or there is no real word with the same meaning in english-so it gets confused. That has happened with poems, books, and more than likely the bible as well.
There are some Jews who have said that demons in the Old testament meant for them, inner demons and illnesses-not evil , frightening, entities..just inner emotions..jealousy, greed, etc..Whereas the Christians interpret it as real fallen angels. So sometimes words can also have different meanings as well I suppose to different groups. </div></div>

kind of like water into wine hmmm

[Soundbear]

BTW, lots of folks claim that it wasn't wine, it was grape juice.

I think the details of the story make it pretty clear that that particular miracle was exactly as we read it. Jesus turned ordinary water into the best quality wine.

[BlueSky]

lots of folks claim lots of things.

[Soundbear]

Mostly for their own benefit.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting punishment from another culture.

How does that affect us??? </div></div>

You make things so difficult, Barry. Why wade into waters you can't handle?

All you have to do to call Veritok's bluff is ask him to discuss those Bible verses within their context.

This isn't rocket science, Barry. But you make it that way.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BTW, lots of folks claim that it wasn't wine, it was grape juice.

I think the details of the story make it pretty clear that that particular miracle was exactly as we read it. Jesus turned ordinary water into the best quality wine. </div></div>

But if you believe the Bible literally, how can that be?

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KDawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)


If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. </div></div>

Which translation is that? From New Living Translation, the same verse reads,

"28 “Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, 29 he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver.[a] Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives."


It's not describing a rape at all. Competely changes the whole meaning. </div></div>

isn't that a translation where the Bible is translated into an easier to understand (current if you will) language?
If so, then the very translation itself is flawed. The real Bible mentions rape, while the apparent translation does not. I would say the actual Bible trumps this New living translation no?

[GenX]

Sola Scriptura???

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..isn't that a translation where the Bible is translated into an easier to understand (current if you will) language?
If so, then the very translation itself is flawed. The real Bible mentions rape, while the apparent translation does not. I would say the actual Bible trumps this New living translation no? </div></div>

What do you mean the "real" bible??

Do you read Hebrew??

[dancingqueen]

is the New living translation Bible translated from the Hebrew Bible? or is it translated from the King James version?

[Soundbear]

I believe the New Living Bible is actually a paraphrase of other bibles, and not actually a translation.

It is generally considered a weak bible to use.

I'll have to look into its source again.

[dancingqueen]

http://www.bible-researcher.com/nlt.html

very interesting read, I just skimmed over it but I wonder what the New Living Bible says about marriage, and homosexuality, it is supposed to be sexless.

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe the New Living Bible is actually a paraphrase of other bibles, and not actually a translation.

It is generally considered a weak bible to use.

I'll have to look into its source again. </div></div>

So is it safe to say the King James version would "trump" the New Living one? Like if Rape was used in the Bible, then Rape is what was intended?

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...So is it safe to say the King James version would "trump" the New Living one? Like if Rape was used in the Bible, then Rape is what was intended? </div></div>

No, not necessarily.

[dancingqueen]

well, this one verse we are talking about says one thing in one Bible, and another thing in another Bible. one would have to be correct, the other incorrect. How do you determine which one is correct?

[Soundbear]

Check this out, good article:
http://www.victorious.org/translat.htm

I generally go to a concordance and a dictionary to try to determine the meaning of the original word. A concordance, especially in computer format, allows you to look at the original word in other verses, both checking the context and seeing what other English words are used to translate it. The dictionary can tell about the meaning of the word, and it's roots, which helps.

[Soundbear]

How interesting. I go to my computer concordance and the word rape is not used in the King James Version???

Back in a sec.

[Soundbear]

Considering that, and as I look at the verse, Deuteronomy 22:28-29, it doesn't seem to mean rape.

[Onlygodknowswhy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well, this one verse we are talking about says one thing in one Bible, and another thing in another Bible. one would have to be correct, the other incorrect. How do you determine which one is correct? </div></div>

lol just watched penn & Teller's show about the bible and they mentioned something about this....except they used Elvis saying ppl claim to who have known him wrote books, but their books have conflicting stories...one said this the other said that...but 2000 yrs from now who actually knows what is what

the bible is a bunch of great stories..more fiction than fact..but too take it literally is crazy

God created light....could that mean the big bang theory? or did god just go 'click' lol

[Soundbear]

Just a few notes on that.

What do we know about Alexander the Great?? How about the writings of Aristotle? Plato??

More time and effort has been put into preserving, researching and translating the bible than any other book, probably by a factor of 100.

Does anyone question Julius Caesar's book, "The Gallic Wars". Yet only two copies exist, and they date 1000 years after the original.

As an exercise for the interested, I suggest a search of how many copies and portion of the bible there are in existance, and how old they are. Second, research ancient text interpretion.

Have fun!!

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheOneTheOnly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well, this one verse we are talking about says one thing in one Bible, and another thing in another Bible. one would have to be correct, the other incorrect. How do you determine which one is correct? </div></div>

lol just watched penn & Teller's show about the bible and they mentioned something about this....except they used Elvis saying ppl claim to who have known him wrote books, but their books have conflicting stories...one said this the other said that...but 2000 yrs from now who actually knows what is what

the bible is a bunch of great stories..more fiction than fact..but too take it literally is crazy

God created light....could that mean the big bang theory? or did god just go 'click' lol </div></div>

I'm not trying to question the validity of the existance of what is said in the Bible, I am more curious about how the followers of the Bible determine which is correct, and which is misinterperated. also the New Living Translation, an article I read indicates this Bible to be sexless. I wonder if this is how God's words where to be intended, not only about the whole gay thing, but about the power man had over women, Adam and Eve ect.. The article I read claims the New Living Translation is composed by scollars, perhaps reading from the original Hebrew writtings?
I am interested in other's thoughts on this

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just a few notes on that.

What do we know about Alexander the Great?? How about the writings of Aristotle? Plato??

More time and effort has been put into preserving, researching and translating the bible than any other book, probably by a factor of 100.

Does anyone question Julius Caesar's book, "The Gallic Wars". Yet only two copies exist, and they date 1000 years after the original.

As an exercise for the interested, I suggest a search of how many copies and portion of the bible there are in existance, and how old they are. Second, research ancient text interpretion.

Have fun!! </div></div>

Barry, I'm all for you actually researching something, instead of just posting your two- or three-word responses.

But let's give credit where credit is due. Here is where you got answer, practically word for word: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080610162809AAa0DQF

That's fine if you got your info from there, but it isn't cool to try and pass it off as original thought. Simply cite the source.

Sorry, but when I see you talking about tomes on the Gallic Wars, warning signals go off /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Barry, I'm all for you actually researching something, instead of just posting your two- or three-word responses.

But let's give credit where credit is due. Here is where you got answer, practically word for word: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080610162809AAa0DQF

That's fine if you got your info from there, but it isn't cool to try and pass it off as original thought. Simply cite the source.

Sorry, but when I see you talking about tomes on the Gallic Wars, warning signals go off /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif </div></div>

Actually, bud, I typed that off the top of my head and I don't give a damn what you think about it.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Actually, bud, I typed that off the top of my head and I don't give a damn what you think about it. </div></div>

Well then good for you! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/high5.gif

You and the people on that site think almost exactly alike!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool_shades.gif

[Soundbear]

Cool.

[GenX]

Far out, out of sight, and DYN-O-MITE!!

[BlueSky]

Groovy, man.