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[Verotik]

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian




10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

[Soundbear]

Old, very old.

Vero, are you interested in answers or just posting??

Lots of assumptions there.

[Soundbear]

Curious?? How do you define a non-fundamentalist Christian???

BTW, you forgot the link for the above questions.

But then, that might lead to answers, no??? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[BlueSky]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Old, very old.

Vero, are you interested in answers or just posting??

</div></div>

You have to ask?

[BlueSky]

CHallenge: Write a similar list
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Atheist


A couple of examples

1. You hold to freedom of speech and vigorously defend the right of the pornographer to publish his work but your face turns purple at the thought of a Christian wirting a letter to the editor expressing his views.

2.You delight in dangling Old Testament stories about babies dying in front of Christians , but defend the practice of millions of babies being aborted in North America.....

It's all in how you use words...

[dancingqueen]

I know many atheists that do not get angry over free thought. it is when the religion over-rides the rights and freedoms of others that anger ensues
I also know many atheists that defend the pro-life side of this. Bluesky, I think you are being incredibly prejudice.

The original poster is also being prejudice in defining Christians. As an openly gay man I know many Christians that are open and non-judgmental of me and my life style... This thread just goes to show that many people have much to learn of their own religion and beliefs.

as a result I am proud to say I am not smart enough to know it all and find Agnosim to be the truest religion of all.

[Braccarius]

Top 10 Signs You're a Troll

1. You are green skinned and have been known to regenerate limbs despite them being hacked off.

2. Three goats can kick your @$$

3. Your mom looks like R W G R

4. Little kids keep ending up at your house and you're not catholic.

5. Flies to $hit brings on a whole new expression.

6. Aside from eating children bashing things on SooNet is your greatest accomplishment.

7. You're not measured by your breast size but by how low your tusk hangs.

..... I give up...

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Old, very old.

Vero, are you interested in answers or just posting??

</div></div>

You have to ask?
</div></div>

Not really, but I thought I might toss out the challenge to him to REALLY think!!!

[Soundbear]

DQ, let's discuss this:

"..it is when the religion over-rides the rights and freedoms of others that anger ensues.."

What rights?? What freedoms??

[dancingqueen]

lets take for instance the right or freedom of marriage for same sex partners. There are other countries where people's rights and freedoms to believe in another religion is taken away. Rights to abortion, equality ect... It's all over the world Barry

[Verotik]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Curious?? How do you define a non-fundamentalist Christian???

BTW, you forgot the link for the above questions.

But then, that might lead to answers, no??? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

sry must have been tired lol, i usually put a link in my posts

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lets take for instance the right or freedom of marriage for same sex partners. There are other countries where people's rights and freedoms to believe in another religion is taken away. Rights to abortion, equality ect... It's all over the world Barry </div></div>

In a day and age when many people live without getting married, it is obvious that homosexuals want marriage for the benefits.
It's all about the money.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Curious?? How do you define a non-fundamentalist Christian???
</div></div>

??

[BlueSky]

What would happen if we all get a compass, but most of them are defective? How would we know?

[Soundbear]

Most are defective??

I think I'm understanding your analogy here.

So.

We'll assume 100 compasses. We know that most are defective, let's say 80 percent. But we find that 20 percent actually point in the same direction, whereas the the 80 percent point any old place.

And then we use one of the 20 percent to try to find our way, and what do you know, it works!!!

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lets take for instance the right or freedom of marriage for same sex partners. There are other countries where people's rights and freedoms to believe in another religion is taken away. Rights to abortion, equality ect... It's all over the world Barry </div></div>

In a day and age when many people live without getting married, it is obvious that homosexuals want marriage for the benefits.
It's all about the money.</div></div>

not all of them do. there exist many homosexuals that are Christians and want a marriage for it's intended purpouse.

[Soundbear]

Not all the intended purposes!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[dancingqueen]

what is the intended purpouse of a marriage?
I thought it was for two people to come together as one under God.

[Braccarius]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is the intended purpouse of a marriage?
I thought it was for two people to come together as one under God. </div></div>

I think that the intended purpose of marriage is to make the other person as miserable as you can. Gay's should get married! Why can't they be as miserable as the rest of us?

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is the intended purpouse of a marriage?
I thought it was for two people to come together as one under God. </div></div>

The under God hardly applies considering the injunctions against two men being together sexually.

[Verotik]

doesn't god love everyone equally?

[Soundbear]

Since all have sinned, then the answer is obviously yes. But that's not the point, is it??

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is the intended purpouse of a marriage?
I thought it was for two people to come together as one under God. </div></div>

The under God hardly applies considering the injunctions against two men being together sexually. </div></div>

Don't forget, your God is not the only God /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif the tem marriage is to come together under God is it not?

[Soundbear]

Explain to me how there can possibly, logically be more than one all-knowing, all powerful being in existence at the same time???

You're damn right, GOD is the ONLY GOD!!!

[BlueSky]

You sound so COOL when you swear.

[starterwiz]

God doesn't really care if you swear. He cares if you care though.

[BlueSky]

OK, you sound cool too!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sound so COOL when you swear. </div></div>

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sound so COOL when you swear. </div></div>

Just curious. You wanna define swearing??

[BlueSky]

It all depends on what you mean by 'is'.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sound so COOL when you swear. </div></div>

Just curious. You wanna define swearing?? </div></div>

It's what you do in here, to sound tough, but end up looking ridiculous.

[BlueSky]

You aren't exactly spreading a hole lot of sunshine either.. in fact, I've been loading up your posts on my manure spreader and dumping them out on the hayfield!

[Onlygodknowswhy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DQ, let's discuss this:

"..it is when the religion over-rides the rights and freedoms of others that anger ensues.."

What rights?? What freedoms?? </div></div>

people constantly use religion to push their way through others rights and freedoms....how many times do you see some kind of church group picketing a movie, a book, gay marriage or abortion, etc......

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You aren't exactly spreading a hole lot of sunshine either.. in fact, I've been loading up your posts on my manure spreader and dumping them out on the hayfield!

</div></div>

Better step back, or that cornstalk will poke you in the eye!!!!

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheOneTheOnly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DQ, let's discuss this:

"..it is when the religion over-rides the rights and freedoms of others that anger ensues.."

What rights?? What freedoms?? </div></div>

people constantly use religion to push their way through others rights and freedoms....how many times do you see some kind of church group picketing a movie, a book, gay marriage or abortion, etc...... </div></div>

That is their freedom. Do you want to take it away?? Would YOU picket something ou saw as dangerous to society??

[BlueSky]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheOneTheOnly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DQ, let's discuss this:

"..it is when the religion over-rides the rights and freedoms of others that anger ensues.."

What rights?? What freedoms?? </div></div>

people constantly use religion to push their way through others rights and freedoms....how many times do you see some kind of church group picketing a movie, a book, gay marriage or abortion, etc...... </div></div>

How does picketing or protesting impinge on anyone's right?
Is freedom of speech a right? Does my freedom to speak out against your freedom to abort a baby somehow constitute a denial of your rights?

Stop spreading bull kaka.

[dancingqueen]

What about those protesters that where "Thanking" God for dead solders at a recent solder's funeral? The people paying their respects to the solder had a right to pay their respects, they had the right to have a funeral and to honour the deceased. this is the kind of thing when religion interferes with other people's rights, or for students to feel safe at school is infringed upon when kids are aloud to bring cerimonial daggers to school because it is their religion.

[BlueSky]

They did not stop the funerals. But they were very disrespectful, and yes, that is a case where the right to a respectful funeral was impinged upon. That's why those idiots were sued for millions of dollars. But these are exceptions, not generalities.

[dancingqueen]

sorry, that was more in responce to Barry where he asked
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> DQ, let's discuss this:

"..it is when the religion over-rides the rights and freedoms of others that anger ensues.."

What rights?? What freedoms?? </div></div>

your right, it is an exception, but I am not trying to talk about The religion itself, but more about how some people use it as a tool to get their way. (I am also not trying to single out any single religion) I belive truely following many religions create nothing but good, it's when the religions infringe on other's rights is where it goes bad, and yes, often when it is infringing on others rights is when the religion is not truely being followed.

[BlueSky]

Here's a question for you DQ. What if Jesus Christ really does exist, and is alive and will return to claim the earth as his Kingdom.

Will it be an infringement of your rights to have to obey His laws?

[dancingqueen]

yes it would be, but would he care? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes it would be, but would he care? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif </div></div>

I don't think that's the point.

Phillipians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[dancingqueen]

it may not be the point... but is it true? a god who cares not for man's sence of rights.... sad really.

Barry, what do you think the point is? I'm not good at mind games, I call a spade a spade, if there is some implied question or thought, just say it, but for the time being I will answer the question for what it is.

as for those quotes... what do they have to do with what is being discussed? it just does not clear anything up /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

[Soundbear]

Is God in charge of this universe?

Yes He is.

Do you have the right to disobey God's laws??

Yes you do.

Will there be consequences for that action?

Yes there will.

And it's not "A loving god would not send anybody to hell."

The reality is " A Holy God would not let an unrepentant soul into heaven, actually, near Him."

[dancingqueen]

define "unrepentant"

it's prety controling when you have a right but cannot take advantage of it for fear of reprocution... almost manipulative Barry, I don't think God is this way

[Soundbear]

Sorry about the Christian buzz word, "un-repentant".

Basic idea is that we need to submit to God. He IS all-knowing and knows what's best for us, and made a way for us to be with Him forever.

Like I said before, it's not that God will punish us, the point is that He won't let us near His holiness.

God is holy, pure and just. Why would He let us spend eternity with him if we don't care what He thinks, and just want to do our own thing?? For those who continue to reject Him, He has prepared a place where HE IS NOT. Hell is not a place of fire and pain and heat and smoke. It's a place where there is absolutely NOTHING of God, nothing He has created.

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian




10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian. </div></div>


I think number 10 is the best one..and number 6 ranks second.The point being People will believe what they want..no matter how flimsy their opinion is.

[Soundbear]

And once some people's minds are made up, evidence to the contrary means nothing.

[dancingqueen]

and that goes both ways Barry...

For an all powerfull being Barry, God sure does have alot of hangups... how do you know that it isn't people like me who gives God more credit than people like you who give him less credit than that are actually "repentent"
just some food for thought Barry.

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And once some people's minds are made up, evidence to the contrary means nothing. </div></div>

Precisely Barry..once evidence was presented contare to the mainstream version of events come 9-11, people sided and neither budged. The difference being..no one is calling you or other believers in their adopted Religion as Tin Foil Hats..after all..there can be Only one God..

[Soundbear]

Re 9-11. Believing in God is sure gratifying when I consider that God WILL take care of the guilty!!!

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and that goes both ways Barry...

For an all powerfull being Barry, God sure does have alot of hangups... how do you know that it isn't people like me who gives God more credit than people like you who give him less credit than that are actually "repentent"
just some food for thought Barry. </div></div>

How can a holy, pure, all-knowing being have hangups?? If you knew absolutely everything that ever happened, is happening or was ever going to happen, why on earth (or in heaven /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif ) would you have hangups???

God is not man.

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Re 9-11. Believing in God is sure gratifying when I consider that God WILL take care of the guilty!!! </div></div> Thats why i'm here..not believing.the mainstream press and not waiting till God punishes those who were responsible..thus another independednt Investigation..with what little evidence is still entact..vs those alleged!

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and that goes both ways Barry...

For an all powerfull being Barry, God sure does have alot of hangups... how do you know that it isn't people like me who gives God more credit than people like you who give him less credit than that are actually "repentent"
just some food for thought Barry. </div></div>

How can a holy, pure, all-knowing being have hangups?? If you knew absolutely everything that ever happened, is happening or was ever going to happen, why on earth (or in heaven /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif ) would you have hangups???

God is not man. </div></div>

I never said he was man... so, if God has no hangups then he really doesn't care about murder, or stealing, or gay marriages, ect... cause he has no hangups /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Soundbear]

Ah, but He's holy, too. I really don't think staying pure would be a hangup.

[dancingqueen]

do you agree or disagree with my statement?
just curious

[Soundbear]

Will you re-phrase for clarity, please.

[dancingqueen]

If God has no hangups then he really doesn't care about murder, or stealing, adultry ect...

[Soundbear]

I guess I have a diferent definition of hangups.

He gave us a commandment. "Love your neighbor as yourself."

[dancingqueen]

sorry, hangups I mean problems with said items. or a difficulty in dealing with them.

[Soundbear]

If I told you that you should love your neighbor just the same way as you love yourself, and then saw you kill that guy, or take his wife, then yes, I guess you might say I have difficulties with it.

[dancingqueen]

But I am not talking about a man Barry, I am talking about a God

[Soundbear]

I don't see your point. We are made in God's image. He has the advantage of being all-knowing and all-powerful. Not to mention holy and pure.

So He has "issues" with sin. BUT He made a way for us to be saved from the ultimate consequence of sin - separation from Him.

[dancingqueen]

so to be unable to deal with sin would indicate a semi-perfect being. I don't think God is suposed to be semi-perfect.

[Soundbear]

He deals with sin.

His way.

Stop thinking of God as man. He's perfect.