hmm thermite

[Verotik]

http://www.rense.com/general70/pic87932.jpg

if you could put a little speech bubble from the fireman he would say, gee look at that one steel column melted from a shaped thermite charge.

[shadowjak]

Actually,it looks like it was cut with a high powered Torch such as the Blackhawk cutting system which operates on the principle of a combustion triangle. A solid combustible fuel resides inside the fuel tubes. When pure bottled oxygen flows through the tube filled with fuel, nothing happens. When this process is repeated and a catalytic 12 volt spark is introduced, an exothermic reaction is initiated which consumes the tube and fuel so long as sufficient oxygen flow is present. Although oxygen and the fuel are essential, the spark can be replaced using a chemical agent or an oxyacetylene flame. A pug tube field igniter can ignite a flame tube using a mere stick match in dry conditions. The cardboard tube generates sufficient heat with bottled oxygen to cause ignition in approximately five seconds.

These types of systems are in use by many tactical/rescue/construction teams.

http://www.magnumusa.com/mag9000.html

[shadowjak]

Thermite reactions have many uses. Thermite is not an explosive but instead operates by increasing a very small area of metal to extremely high temperatures. Intense heat focused on a small spot can be used to cut through metal or weld metal components together by melting a very thin film where the components meet.

Thermite may be used for repair by the welding in-place of thick steel sections such as locomotive axle-frames where the repair can take place without removing the part from its installed location. It can also be used for quickly cutting or welding steel such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment. However, defects such as slag inclusions and holes are often present in such welded junctions and great care is needed to operate the process successfully.

A thermite reaction, when used to purify the ores of some metals, is called the Thermite process, or aluminothermic reaction. An adaptation of the reaction, used to obtain pure uranium, was developed as part of the Manhattan Project at Ames Laboratory under the direction of Frank Spedding. It is sometimes called the Ames process.

Thermite is not used as a shaped charge.

Thermite hand grenades are used as incendiary devices to destroy enemy equipment quickly. Additionally, thermite grenades are used by friendly forces to destroy their own items and equipment when there is imminent danger of capture. Because standard iron-thermite is difficult to ignite, burns with practically no flame and has a small radius of action, standard thermite is rarely used on its own as an incendiary composition. It is more usually employed with other ingredients added to enhance its incendiary effects. Thermate-TH3 is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder (such as PBAN). Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature. Although the primary purpose of Thermate-TH3 is as an incendiary, it will also weld metal surfaces together.

[Soundbear]

I see what Shadowjak is saying. But I would certainly like to know why that column looks like it's cut. Assuming it is from the WTC.

[Verotik]

these are cut beams

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s148/pootie_08/cleancut0.jpg no slag or globs of metal

[Verotik]

at what temperature do you think this would happen?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/9-11guns/DSC_7414.JPG

[Verotik]

its a gun on display at the NY police museum it is encased in molten concrete, concrete will melt at 3000'f do you think jet fuel melted the concrete?

[GenX]

While a Canadian court has infiltrated the rights and privacy of the family at a level never seen before in a democracy, and while a 'rights' tribunal is circumventing free speech to a degree once only imaginable in an Orwellian novel, some Canadians spend their time discussing if the U.S. government is behind the fall of the Twin Towers.

Nothing short of unbelievable.

[Verotik]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shadowjak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thermite reactions have many uses. Thermite is not an explosive but instead operates by increasing a very small area of metal to extremely high temperatures. Intense heat focused on a small spot can be used to cut through metal or weld metal components together by melting a very thin film where the components meet.

Thermite may be used for repair by the welding in-place of thick steel sections such as locomotive axle-frames where the repair can take place without removing the part from its installed location. It can also be used for quickly cutting or welding steel such as rail tracks, without requiring complex or heavy equipment. However, defects such as slag inclusions and holes are often present in such welded junctions and great care is needed to operate the process successfully.

A thermite reaction, when used to purify the ores of some metals, is called the Thermite process, or aluminothermic reaction. An adaptation of the reaction, used to obtain pure uranium, was developed as part of the Manhattan Project at Ames Laboratory under the direction of Frank Spedding. It is sometimes called the Ames process.

Thermite is not used as a shaped charge.

Thermite hand grenades are used as incendiary devices to destroy enemy equipment quickly. Additionally, thermite grenades are used by friendly forces to destroy their own items and equipment when there is imminent danger of capture. Because standard iron-thermite is difficult to ignite, burns with practically no flame and has a small radius of action, standard thermite is rarely used on its own as an incendiary composition. It is more usually employed with other ingredients added to enhance its incendiary effects. Thermate-TH3 is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder (such as PBAN). Addition of barium nitrate to thermite increases its thermal effect, creates flame in burning and significantly reduces the ignition temperature. Although the primary purpose of Thermate-TH3 is as an incendiary, it will also weld metal surfaces together. </div></div>

i guess what i had meant to say is thermite with a shaped explosive charge. but it could be a torch i guess lol

[Verotik]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While a Canadian court has infiltrated the rights and privacy of the family at a level never seen before in a democracy, and while a 'rights' tribunal is circumventing free speech to a degree once only imaginable in an Orwellian novel, some Canadians spend their time discussing if the U.S. government is behind the fall of the Twin Towers.

Nothing short of unbelievable. </div></div>

its a quebec court, it has no effect on my life in ontario or the rest of canada for that matter - yawn


Under the British Empire

Following France's abandonment of Quebec in favour of Guadaloupe in the Treaty of Paris (1763), Quebec came under British law. However, the seigneurial system of land tenure continued to be applied uniformly throughout the province. In 1774 the British Parliament passed the Quebec Act which restored the former French civil law for private relationships while maintaining the common law for public administration, including the prosecution of crimes. As a result, the colony, later known as the Dominion of Canada, is today one of only a handful of "bijural" countries in the world where two legal systems co-exist. The Act was not acceptable to the British minority who believed that British citizens should be governed by English law. The Constitutional Act of 1791 resolved the issue by the creation of Upper Canada west of the Ottawa River and Lower Canada around the St. Lawrence River. The result gave British Lower Canada, with its majority French speaking populace, its civil law and English law was applied to British Upper Canada.

[edit] Adoption of the Civil Code of Lower Canada

The substantive law of the 1866 Civil Code of Lower Canada was derived primarily from the judicial interpretations of the law that had been in force in Lower Canada. The work of the Commission on codification was also inspired by some of the modernizations found in the 1804 Napoleonic code. The structure of the Code was also inspired by the Napoleonic code. At the time of Canadian Confederation for the Province of Quebec the Civil Code of Lower Canada replaced most of the laws inherited from the "Customs of Paris" (La Coutume de Paris) and incorporated some English law as it had been applied in Lower Canada such as the English law of trusts. The former Civil Code was also inspired by the Louisiana Civil Code, the Field Code movement in New York and the law of the Canton de Vaud.

[edit] The Revised Civil Code of Québec

In 1955, the Government of Québec embarked on a reform of the Civil Code with the passage of the Act respecting the revision of the Civil Code. The Civil Code Revision Office was then established. Consultations were held on the reports produced by the Office and the committees which were subsequently incorporated into a final report tabled in the Québec National Assembly in 1978 in the form of a Draft Civil Code with commentaries. Extensive consultations occurred during the 1980s when certain parts of the Book on the Law of the Family were adopted. That process of consultation was completed in the early 1990s and the Civil Code of Québec was passed into law on December 18, 1991 coming into effect in 1994.

The Government of Canada undertook a review of all federal laws that deal with private law to ensure that they took into consideration the terminology, concepts and institutions of Quebec civil law and on January 31, 2001, tabled a Bill entitled A First Act to harmonize federal law with the civil law of the province of Quebec and to amend certain Acts in order to ensure that each language version takes into account the common law and the civil law.

The reform process that led to the replacement of the Civil Code of Lower Canada by the Civil Code of Quebec was one of the largest legislative recodification undertakings in any civil law jurisdiction.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
its a quebec court, it has no effect on my life in ontario or the rest of canada for that matter </div></div>

Keep thinking that way, it's exactly what they want.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shadowjak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually,it looks like it was cut with a high powered Torch </div></div>

I agree. There is no notation as to when the photo was taken or how far along they were in sifting through the rubble looking for survivors. It is very probable that the beam was torch cut in a hurry to remove dangerous debris from the search area. That would also explain the sloppyness of the cut. Anyone who has cut steel with a torch knows that you can get a nice clean oxidized cut when fabricating, and a poorly oxidized (melt) cut when scrapping. It all depends in how you set up the torch and how much of a hurry you are in.

[Jack Butler]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While a Canadian court has infiltrated the rights and privacy of the family at a level never seen before in a democracy, and while a 'rights' tribunal is circumventing free speech to a degree once only imaginable in an Orwellian novel, some Canadians spend their time discussing if the U.S. government is behind the fall of the Twin Towers.

Nothing short of unbelievable. </div></div>

That's weak.
Why do you always do that?
Can you comment on the thread?
If not, STFU Elvis.
How many times do you have to be told?

[GenX]

You're in denial, Mr. Knoff.

[Jack Butler]

Comment on the thread or beat it, Elvis.
What can you add to the discussion about the WTC columns?
What a troll!

[GenX]

I like being called "Elvis", Mr. Knoff /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Elvis was the man, a stud. The women loved him, and he had an aura of cool.

I accept the Elvis tag enthusiastically!

You, well...after seeing those pics, I'm not sure we can call you Elvis...unless we mean in a banana and peanut butter sandwich-eatin', sittin' on the toilet-type of Elvis, if you know what I mean. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

[Jack Butler]

You're an idiot.

[starterwiz]

I think "Elvis" used in this context, describes a fat, over-dressed man, choking on a sandwich.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: starterwiz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think "Elvis" used in this context, describes a fat, over-dressed man, choking on a sandwich. </div></div>

Easy on ol' Jacko! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

Funny, I don't see Elvis anywhere in the photo that started this thread.

[GenX]

Jack has a Myspace page.

[Jack Butler]

No I don't.
Can you comment on the thread?
What do you think the beams?
The cuts look pretty clean, man made, so to speak.
Can you comment?

[GenX]

I don't venture into tinfoil hat territory.

Sorry.

[BlueSky]

UFO's used laser beams from outer space.. in collaboration with GW, of course..

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
No I don't.
Can you comment on the thread?
What do you think the beams?
The cuts look pretty clean, man made, so to speak.
Can you comment?




</div></div>

It is entirely possible the beam in the picture was cut because of safety issues AFTER the tower crash. It also occurs to me that it should be covered with some debris if cut BEFORE.

IF indeed the picture is even FROM the WTC.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is entirely possible the beam in the picture was cut because of safety issues AFTER the tower crash </div></div> /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/idea.gif

[Jack Butler]

That's a good idea, Elvis.
Let Mr. Morris do your talking.
OK then Elvis, what made the concrete melt?
Maybe wait for your daddy, Barry seems to do better with the question thing.

[Soundbear]

Shadowjak seems to be the man with the answers these days.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That's a good idea, Elvis.
Let Mr. Morris do your talking.
OK then Elvis, what made the concrete melt?
Maybe wait for your daddy, Barry seems to do better with the question thing.







</div></div>

I told you, I don't wade into this moonbat stuff too deep.

I'll let others do the heavy lifting with this issue (which is a non-issue to me).

Cheers! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jack Butler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That's a good idea, Elvis.
Let Mr. Morris do your talking.
OK then Elvis, what made the concrete melt?
Maybe wait for your daddy, Barry seems to do better with the question thing.







</div></div>

I told you, I don't wade into this moonbat stuff too deep.

I'll let others do the heavy lifting with this issue (which is a non-issue to me).

Cheers! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div> The ONLY heavy lifting R W G R does:is lifting his glass of beer or is that bottle to his yapper!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The ONLY heavy lifting R W G R does:is lifting his glass of beer or is that bottle to his yapper!</div></div>

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/beerchug.gif

[Wrangler35]

Have a case on me...cheers.LOL