Catholic? Christian?

[CharliBean]

What religion do you follow, and why?

[GenX]

I'm a Catholic.

I guess you could say I was a non-denominational protestant from twenty until thirty or so. Being raised in a house with a Catholic mom and Protestant dad, I was exposed to both views, however lightly. We didn't go to any church a lot, maybe four or five times per year; and when we did go, it was to mom's Catholic church (dad never went). It was good, didn't mind it; but, admittedly, I didn't understand much of what was going on.

But then dad began discussing the differences more, and would compare and contrast the differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. Looking back, his knowledge of both was cursory, at best. But, it was enough to set me on a path to gobble up any and all Protestant authors I could find.

I loved every minute of it, especially "end times" books. And I also didn't mind reading that I didn't have to 'follow so many rules' being a Protestant. I truly felt I found my personal 'pot of gold'. While my friends were reading their rock magazines, or not reading or caring about much at all, I had found intellectual and spiritual nirvana in Evangelical Protestantism.

But then questions began to arise; something seemed incomplete, missing. It all seemed to unravel as quickly as it came together.

I was confused, not to mention becoming totally put-off by the numerous predictions made by the likes of Hal Lindsey and Pat Robertson concerning contemporary events and their significance to the Bible in general, and end times theology in particular. If they were wrong on things eschatological, what else were they wrong on?

The question hit me like a ton of bricks.

So what of this Catholicism mom raised us in, more or less? Was it all just spurious rules and ancient customs?

I dove into the studying and reading of Catholicism with the same fervor I dove into Protestantism a decade earlier. And what happened was nothing less than extraordinary.

Like the scales falling from my eyes, it all made sense. The seemingly countless loopholes and holes in Protestant theology vanished in the completeness of Catholicism. Soon, I had no choice but to admit the Catholic Church was indeed The Church left by Jesus. And then to read and learn more about the Sacraments and Church history, it all became almost-overwhelming. I would have an easier time believing I don't exist than believing the Catholic Church is not the True Church.

Dad's Protestantism opened the door, and mom's Catholicism fulfilled.

Now I regularly give thanks to family members who came before me; those who brought our family into The Faith. I am fortunate beyond comprehension.

[GenX]

By the way, "Catholic" and "Christian" are not two separate religions.

Did you mean "Catholic" or "Protestant"?

[CharliBean]

No, i was just using two common religions.... i would have gone on with buddhism, jewish, and islamic had there been room in the headline LOL


just kind of wondering what draws people to their chosen religions... i have a theory that for the most part its in their upbringing, but am simply curious.

By the way, i enjoy reading your posts. You're very articulate. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[GenX]

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No, keep going...

[dancingqueen]

lol

I am agnostic. I was raised in a catholic household. Then at a later time in my life around my mid to late teens I became atheist. During that period in time I flip-flopped alot between born-again and athiest, having many close friends of both faiths. after that period into my mid to late 20s I began to question my aithiest ways and my Christian ways. Agnosim seemed to be the right belife system for me, I feel we as a human race are not capable to know it all, and that there is and should be more to life than to live it simply for the creator.

[GenX]

You can't be agnostic then, because they do not believe in or care about a creator.

Atheists at least spend intellectual energy and time on debating a Creator. Agnostics do not.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, "Catholic" and "Christian" are not two separate religions.

Did you mean "Catholic" or "Protestant"? </div></div>

Clarification.

Roman Catholic is a particular denomination. Protestant is a generic term used for non-Roman Catholic Christians. It also refers to cults who are nominaly protestant but whose members are not actually part of the Body of Christ.

Catholic means "universal", so in point of fact ALL members of the Body of Christ are "catholic", though evangelicals and main line non-Roman Catholic Christians don't use the term.

[Soundbear]

My religion?? See the bible.

[BlueSky]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, "Catholic" and "Christian" are not two separate religions.

Did you mean "Catholic" or "Protestant"? </div></div>

Clarification.

Roman Catholic is a particular denomination. Protestant is a generic term used for non-Roman Catholic Christians. It also refers to cults who are nominaly protestant but whose members are not actually part of the Body of Christ.

Catholic means "universal", so in point of fact ALL members of the Body of Christ are "catholic", though evangelicals and main line non-Roman Catholic Christians don't use the term.

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Further clarification: Orthodox Christians are neither Roman Catholic or Protestant.

[GenX]

Huh??

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....Further clarification: Orthodox Christians are neither Roman Catholic or Protestant. </div></div>

Quite right.

and don't EVER call an older Anglican lady a Protestant. You just MIGHT get a serious earful!!!

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can't be agnostic then, because they do not believe in or care about a creator.

Atheists at least spend intellectual energy and time on debating a Creator. Agnostics do not. </div></div>

Agnostic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnostic)

I think the best wording is:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist) </div></div>

Aithiest as far as I understand denies the existance of any God based off of scientific evidence. Aithiests may put more thought in their beliefs but I think that agnostic peple put more heart into it. That is what religion is all about as far as I am concerned /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Soundbear]

Maybe you could find for us some of this scientific evidence that denies the existence of God.

[Simba]

How about proving to me god is real. There is more evidence that supports evolution rather than pure speculation.

[dancingqueen]

things like people cannot walk on water, babies cannot be born from virgins ect... for more details you would probably be better off asking some darwinists, hence the reason why I am no longer an aithiest.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Simba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about proving to me god is real. There is more evidence that supports evolution rather than pure speculation. </div></div>

That's not true. The fact there are so many holes in evolutionary theory is the reason why so many scholars and scientists of the last twenty-five years have accepted the theory of "Intelligent Design".

Intelligent Design is seen, crudely, as a half-way point between accepting belief in 'God' and accepting we evolved from monkeys. The theory believes the world around us is so complex, so full of mystery and incredible wonder, that it is just not plausible to believe it all happened by random chance (Evolution). At the same time,they are not too interested in the Christian version of "God". You won't find many Intelligent Design believers in the pew next to you at church. But, they do believe some higher being is responsible for creation.

Believing in Evolution is no different than believing in God, as far as that certain 'jump' you must take, in order to get past the fact there are unknowns. Evolution has the "missing link" theory. That is a massive hole in a so-called 'theory'. It just pretends millions of evolutionary years did not happen, because it cannot account for many evolutionary changes. Talk about 'speculation'!

Why hasn't the turtle evolved past its current state? Fossils of turtles hundreds of thousands of years old have been found, and the turtle has not changed one iota. Why? thousands of similar examples exist.

Darwinism and its attendant theories are almost passe' in many circles today. It was fine for its time, but it has been shown to be quite lacking today.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">things like people cannot walk on water, babies cannot be born from virgins ect... for more details you would probably be better off asking some darwinists, hence the reason why I am no longer an aithiest. </div></div>

Right, those things cannot happen...in our world, in our understanding, in our human state.

But does that mean they cannot happen through the workings of a Supreme Being?

Are we humans the end-all and be-all? Are we as good as it gets?

How egocentric to believe as much!

[Anapeg]

I personally follow no prescribed religion. Roman Catholithism was what I was brought up on but (not to open a can of worms) could not accept the handling of the molestation situation. Or more correctly the miss handling of the problem. I then went to Greek Orthodox which is a form of Catholicism the difference being the ability of Priests to be married. Then I had a daughter and my father die within months of each other and lost interest in a church that couldn't answer my queries.

[Anapeg]

BTW most Canadians believe God walked on water they just think it was in January. lol (sorry, couldn't resist)

[Soundbear]

Yup, Canadians walk on water all the time!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">things like people cannot walk on water, babies cannot be born from virgins ect... for more details you would probably be better off asking some darwinists, hence the reason why I am no longer an aithiest. </div></div>

Right, those things cannot happen...in our world, in our understanding, in our human state.

But does that mean they cannot happen through the workings of a Supreme Being?

Are we humans the end-all and be-all? Are we as good as it gets?

How egocentric to believe as much! </div></div>

Which is exactly why I am not aithiest. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

[CharliBean]

if i had to put a label on it, agnostic is the closest one i could find for what i believe. I try to remain open minded, because im the first to admit i have no solid evidence to back up my theories, and i am the first person to admit my opinions are more than likely to change with information. Biblical god, to me, is illogical. I feel the big bang theory is the most logical explaination for creation, and i do tend to lean more towards the theory of evolution. i do not believe in heaven or in hell, but i do belive in the sould as a mass of energy. i believe in a twisted kind of reincarnation which i am not about to explain on here, simply because my laptop is running out of power and i know if i start ill be on here all night.


most importantly, i respect other peoples beliefs and opinions, and hope to recieve the same courtesy in return. I love to hear and learn all about other ppls beliefs, and i ask questions, and love to share my beliefs right back, but i hate feeling like i have to defend myself.

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[bluekrissyspikes]

my beleifs are a lot like yours charlibean. i find the whole biblical thing hard to swallow. it's hard to figure out how life started but i don't think it was on this planet but brought here on an asteroid or something. there is too much out there that we have never seen to pretend we can know what really happened. i definitely beleive in evolution because to me what science knows is proof enough. i beleive there is a higher power that is more or less just energy that is everywhere and is always finding ways to renew itself. it's refreshing to see someone on here that is open-minded and isn't trying to force their beleif system/religion on everyone else.

[CharliBean]

yes, energy is basically the "creator" or life force that i believe in... science has proven energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so its logical in my mind that energy would make up the "soul"... i think when we die our energy is dispersed into the universe and enters into other things, right from stars to other humans. Therefore, i believe in soulmates. I do not believe in just one soulmate, however. i believe the energy separates and is spread all over the universe, therefore we have mulitiple soulmates, people or other living things that once shared the same energy within one being. I believe soulmates can come into your life for a very short period of time, and never re-appear, but they make an impact on your life. I once found a soulmate in a cat. LOL

[Soundbear]

Your positions bring up questions to me.

What is outside the universe?

What came BEFORE the Big Bang?

If life arrived on an asteroid, where from??

Where did re-incarnation START??

Your opinion are good enough, I don't demand answers, just thinking "out loud".

[bluekrissyspikes]

hmmm.. those are good questions. i can give you some more details on what i beleive but i hope it is being met with an open mind....feel free to answer the questions as well charlibean cause i'm not too sure if he's asking me or you.

what is outside the universe?
an endless amount of other universes, areas of empty space and some universes that are still forming or have already ended their cycle by moving too far from their center and breaking away from gravity, giant dust storms, black holes, ect.. other possibilities of things we can't even imagine. i wonder to myself where the universe actually ends, does it end and how do we define it's beginning and it's end?

before the big bang? i don't really beleive in the big bang theory because it doesn't make sense to me that all matter that exists was at one time crammed into such a small area. it doesn't seem all that logical to me.. although it could be sort of how our universe was formed if there had previously been a black hole here. i just think that what is here has just always been here(matter-wise) and has been rearranged and reformed many times through the life and death of stars and the changes that creates.

where did the asteroid with life on it come from?
maybe some form of electricity mixed with the natural elements of life (carbon, water, ect.) in just the right mixture to cause it to become alive, even if that life was as simple as a mold spore. i think there must be life on alot of planets somewhere because the likelyhood of hundreds of millions of planets all being lifeless except for ours doesn't seem likely either. if life had started far off somewhere and developed on a planet which ended up being destroyed,in time, the peices would be launched into space as astroids and meteors, and those in turn could have ended up here along with other places and seeded them with 'life'. i am not against the idea of something unknown (perhaps a higher power) having sparked life to get it started but i do beleive that evolution has been responsible for the mass amount of diversity on our planet, past and present.

where did re-incarnation start?
the first time something died and it's energy was recycled into other beings.

ok, so my answers are probably not perfect but then again i haven't had thousands of years to try to figure it out. this is just what i think.

[bluekrissyspikes]

does anyone else have alternative beleifs? i find hearing other peoples perspectives very interesting.

[Soundbear]

Thanks bluekrissyspikes.

[bluekrissyspikes]

did you enjoy my run on sentances and bad grammar? lol..i tried.

[Soundbear]

A veritable fountain of eloquence!!!!

P.S. Excuse me but just curious, and it's hard to tell. Are you female???

[bluekrissyspikes]

yup i sure am.

[Soundbear]

You can never tell. Huggy surprised everybody by being a guy.

bluekrissyspikes??? Hairdoo??

[bluekrissyspikes]

yup. when i made up that online name for myself i had blue spiky hair for a long while(a couple years). i have long since outgrown the blue hair and spikes and traded it in for long brunette curls but i still use the name cause it's easy to remember.

[Soundbear]

Just call me Great Chief Shining Head!!!

[bluekrissyspikes]

alright cheif shining head!! on second thought, i think i'll just stick to barry...lol..(:

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluekrissyspikes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone else have alternative beleifs? i find hearing other peoples perspectives very interesting. </div></div>

I do belive in creationisim.. I think there was a God that created this, though under the identity of nature, does not stray far... I think if God wanted something from us, he would make it evident... otherwise, it is not something God truely WANTS.... so, I say, live your life as a good person, or what you feel is good, and God will judge you at that time.

[CharliBean]

barry, i too will attempt to answer your quetions...

beyond the universe? an infinte plephora (sp?) of universes, contantly being created and burning out, basically what krissy said...

before the big bang? nothing. vast endlessness. Wrap your head around that. Pretty impossible.

asteroid bringing life to earth? not my cup of tea... im not sure how life developed here... im definetly not claiming that i do. the most logical explaination, to me, is still the big bang, which i assume would have sent newly created matter scattering all over the universe, some of which, i'm sure, would have penetrated earths atmosphere, which i am also sure would have been very different at the time.

re-incarnation, i've attempted to explain in my previous post... besically the re-distribution of energy throughout the universe.

I do not entierly deny the existence of a "creator".. the biblical version, however, does not fit for me. Energy, basic, pure energy, the same that is pulsing through this measly laptop before me, is my enitity.

please do keep in mind these are merely my opinions, and as i've atated, they are bound to change at some point, based on scientific information, discussions with others, and my own life experiences and maturity.


.... most importantly....

..i'll find out when i die.

There you are Barry. My scattered attempt at explaining the aimless ramblings of a madman. (woman) LOL /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..... so, I say, live your life as a good person, or what you feel is good, and God will judge you at that time. </div></div>

The problem??

"All our righteousnesses are like filthy rags."

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CharliBean</div><div class="ubbcode-body">barry, i too will attempt to answer your quetions...

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Thanks.

I tend to think outside the box, even for Christians.

Most have never thought about "what else is there?", or "what is outside what I see?"

Can a thing be created by something INSIDE it?? Impossible. God is outside of space, and time, and is the CREATOR of energy.

Where did the energy come from? Even our thoughts of universes ad infinitum or Big Bangs or matter created from nothing leave the question hanging.

My take? In some way beyond our understanding God is "outside" of all we can see and touch and even time itself.

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..... so, I say, live your life as a good person, or what you feel is good, and God will judge you at that time. </div></div>

The problem??

"All our righteousnesses are like filthy rags." </div></div>

according to whom?

[Soundbear]

The Bible.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


Makes sesne to me that anything I can do isn't going to really be worth much to a holy, perfect, all powerful, all knowing God.

[dancingqueen]

Well, I thnk God would be happier with me being happy with his gift of life, I don't think God wants us to feel so worthless...

[BlueSky]

You are right. God does not want you to feel worthless.
Are you happy with his gift of life? Have you never related to the song, "Is that all there is...?"

[dancingqueen]

Am I happy with his gift of life? yes, very. I think a true celebration of it would be to spend it as I see fit, keeping in mind the general good spirit of what God is. I have not heard that song... or if I have it was so long ago I just don't remember it /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Soundbear]

"Is That All There Is?"

"I remember when I was a very little girl, our house caught on fire.
I'll never forget the look on my father's face as he gathered me up in his arms
and raced through the burning building out to the pavement.
I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames.
And when it was all over I said to myself,
'Is that all there is to a fire?'"

Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
If that's all there is, my friends,
Then let's keep dancing.
Let's break out the booze
And have a ball
If that's all there is.

"And when I was 12 years old, my father took me to the circus, the greatest show on earth.
There were clowns and elephants and dancing bears and a beautiful lady in pink tights flew high above our heads.
And as I sat there watching the marvelous spectacle, I had the feeling that something was missing.
I don't know what, but when it was over I said to myself,
'Is that all there is to a circus?'"

Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
If that's all there is, my friends,
Then let's keep dancing.
Let's break out the booze
And have a ball
If that's all there is.

"Then I fell in love with the most wonderful boy in the world.
We would take long walks by the river or just sit for hours gazing into each other's eyes.
We were so very much in love. Then one day, he went away.
And I thought I'd die, but I didn't.
And when I didn't, I said to myself,
'Is that all there is to love?'"

Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
If that's all there is, my friends,
Then let's keep dancing.

"I know what you must be saying to yourselves.
'If that's the way she feels about it why doesn't she just end it all?'
Oh, no. Not me. I'm in no hurry for that final disappointment.
For I know just as well as I'm standing here talking to you,
when that final moment comes and I'm breathing my last breath,
I'll be saying to myself..."

Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
If that's all there is, my friends,
Then let's keep dancing.
Let's break out the booze
And have a ball
If that's all there is.


What an awful way to live.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I thnk God would be happier with me being happy with his gift of life, I don't think God wants us to feel so worthless... </div></div>

He doesn't. But I don't think I would want to, "spend it as I see fit". I'd rather consider how He might want me to spend it.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

"I remember when I was a very little girl </div></div>

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Barry, I never knew...

[BlueSky]

His errr.. her secret's out.

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I thnk God would be happier with me being happy with his gift of life, I don't think God wants us to feel so worthless... </div></div>

He doesn't. But I don't think I would want to, "spend it as I see fit". I'd rather consider how He might want me to spend it. </div></div>
What's the point in living your life for someone else? What was the point in God breathing life into someone if they are just going to live it for someone else?

[KDawg]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the point in living your life for someone else? What was the point in God breathing life into someone if they are just going to live it for someone else? </div></div>

Someone else? God is not your equal.

[dancingqueen]

I never said he was, why do you think I did?

[BlueSky]

Anyone who does not understand the point of living their life for someone else does not understand love. Not really.

Have you ever heard the motto, You cannot really live until you find something to die for..?

[bluekrissyspikes]

I agree with you dancingqueen. i think any higher power will be happy with us as long as we are doing our best and we try to make the world a better place and not hurt anyone. just be a good person.

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone who does not understand the point of living their life for someone else does not understand love. Not really.

Have you ever heard the motto, You cannot really live until you find something to die for..? </div></div>

I think God (based off of what he means to me) would not want us to die for him. He has lost one son to that already, why would he want to or be pleased with loosing more of his children?

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...What's the point in living your life for someone else? What was the point in God breathing life into someone if they are just going to live it for someone else? </div></div>

You've probably never heard this or thought about it.

Baptism is a symbolic burial. The old man is buried, the new man rises up, the new creation, a child of God.

There is nothing better than to live one's life for the Almighty, all knowing, loving, holy God. He's the one who KNOWS what's best for you.

Live your life your way if you want.

I'd rather not do that.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Live your life your way if you want.

I'd rather not do that. </div></div>

Works

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[BlueSky]

doesn't work.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Live your life your way if you want.

I'd rather not do that. </div></div>

Works

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That's why I'd rather not.

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Live your life your way if you want.

I'd rather not do that. </div></div>
Would God be pleased with this kind of an attitude? According to the Bible he would not

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Live your life your way if you want.

I'd rather not do that. </div></div>

Works

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You just contradicted yourself, big-time!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

[Soundbear]

What kind of an attitude??

And please quote chapter and verse if you say "according to the bible."

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You just contradicted yourself, big-time!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif </div></div>

Whatever you say.

[BlueSky]

Whenever RWGR tries to rebut BM, I get all confused.

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of an attitude??

And please quote chapter and verse if you say "according to the bible." </div></div>

Sorry, I misunderstood what I recall from so long ago. I was refering to your duty to spread the word of God, I thought (and it could have just been the beliefs of the particular church I attended) that your duty as a Christian was to never give up on that mission.
My bad.
But do you think God approves of "You live your life and I'll live mine" kind of an attitude?

[dancingqueen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whenever RWGR tries to rebut BM, I get all confused.
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me too /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whenever RWGR tries to rebut BM, I get all confused.
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me too /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

Remember, Barry is all over the place, hardly discussing the issue at hand.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whenever RWGR tries to rebut BM, I get all confused.
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I would too, if I chased as many rabbit trails as him.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whenever RWGR tries to rebut BM, I get all confused.
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I would too, if I chased as many rabbit trails as him. </div></div>

Off topic.

duly reported /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Live your life your way if you want.

I'd rather not do that. </div></div>
Would God be pleased with this kind of an attitude? According to the Bible he would not </div></div>

Ok, I get it. God did indeed say in His word, "Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel". That's the Great Commission.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whenever RWGR tries to rebut BM, I get all confused.
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I would too, if I chased as many rabbit trails as him. </div></div>

Off topic.

duly reported /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

I'm pretty sure we can answer this kind of thing, RWGR.


Politely.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your positions bring up questions to me.

What is outside the universe?

What came BEFORE the Big Bang?

If life arrived on an asteroid, where from??

Where did re-incarnation START??

Your opinion are good enough, I don't demand answers, just thinking "out loud".</div></div>

THis is not fair for you to say.

I can say, ok a supreme being created this, so who created the supreme being?

You'll say, he was just always there.

I'll say, well why can't the universe just be always there?

Funny thing is, religion was made up just to answer questions that couldn't be explained.

It's easy to make up a fictional character to answer ANY question. There isn't a question on earth that can't be answered with "GOD".

So to accept the fact that people didn't know why we are here, or who put us here, they made up a fictional character to explained what couldn't be explained.

Thousands, and thousands of years later, people still accept that theory.

Why can't humans just accept, we evolved, WHO CARES where we came from? What difference would it make.

Why devote your entire life to worship something, a theory, that was created because someones ego did not want to be hurt?

It does make total sense that "GOD" was just made up to explain what couldn't be explained. It is quite easy.

Now if you excuse me, i'm going to sacrafice this lamb, sot he gods won't be angry and make it rain tomorrow.

[Soundbear]

Not fair??? You didn't answer any of the questions, really. Oh well.


P.S. Remember about the universe, and how it used to be believed it was always there, while the bible said otherwise??

Science finally caught up.