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Madmax
07-08-2008, 10:39 PM
I guess other thread went bye bye from a software glitch like a few others in the past week or so from what i was told. The thread was here last night even till 12:00 AM and in the morning i looked for it and it was gone. So now i must start another thread.

Ok Default Speeds are 625/993 = 625/1986 effective memory speed.

Overclocked so far i managed to get it to 750/1100 = 750/2200 effective memory, stable running benchmarks and games so far.

Others have done much much higher, but i have not tried more then this so far. I am happy with the performance as it is close to what a 4870 would do on my system build and i saved just over around $130.00 to the door by buying this card and Ocing it.

Madmax
07-13-2008, 10:13 AM
Just for the ppl's interest the last 3dmark 06 score i got was 11284 and thats running @ 750/1100 now remember this is on a low-end build and using the crapola 8.6 hotfix drivers until i hope some very good ones are out soon.

Once i get my new PC built Q6600 it will be much higher score as i seen many with such a CPU and build running @ 3.2ghz-3.6ghz range scored around 13,000-15,000 range, i can't remember if card was at stock or not for those builds, but i assume so as a person here who has 2 x 4870 Ran a test on 1 x 4870 and scored just under 17,000 stock card and running a quad-core at 3.6ghz.

Again 3dmark programs are not real world gaming performance and if you look at the reviews around ... even a review on the NEW 9800GTX+ card the 4850 is dang close to its performance on Beta Driers Still where as the 9800GTX+ was using Official Supported Maxed Out Drivers.

I am not sure why Nvidia made the GTX+ card as it is not much better then the GTX card.

ATI is making Factory OC cards in the 4800 series line soon, again i don't know why they waste their time either when the cards are only slightly better then the non OC'ed versions and a person like myself who OC's their card to get that little extra that the OC'ed versions will most likely have will be just doing fine.

For a AT time less then $200.00 to the door card. This type of performance is awesome and competition is heating up now from both companies. It is nice to see a better overall comeptition again and we now can see the price wars going on now between then, who will hold out, who will win .. time can only tell.

Ultra54
07-13-2008, 11:32 AM
How does this card compare MAx to say the 8800 GT or the new Nvidia cards? I've slacked off and don't have a clue right now what is what?

Madmax
07-13-2008, 12:40 PM
CPU
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 - Review

Motherboards
EVGA nForce 680i Motherboard - Review
Intel 975XBX Motherboard (for CrossFire testing)

Memory
Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C4

Hard Drive
Western Digital Raptor 150 GB - Review

Sound Card
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Value

Video Card
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB
MSI Radeon HD 4850 512MB
BFG 8800 GT 512MB OCX
BFG 9800 GTX 512MB

Video Drivers
NVIDIA Forceware 175.16
AMD Catalyst RV770 Beta

Power Supply PC Power and Cooling 1000 watt
DirectX Version
DX10 / DX9c

Operating System
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit

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Review above is dual core build 2.93ghz and against 9800GTX+ card, drivers for ATI are the BETA ones used.

This is 4850 card not 4870 review and at stock speeds.

3dmark 06

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=580&type=expert&pid=5

Cod4

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=580&type=expert&pid=3

3dmark Vantage, Vista Only program:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=580&type=expert&pid=6

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Test System
Intel DX48BT2 motherboard
Core 2 Extreme QX9770 running 3.2GHz
2GB Crucial Tracer DDR3-2000 memory running 1333MHz
Diamond HD4850 running pre-release drivers at default clock speed 625MHz/1000MHz core/memory
2 WD Raptor SATA HDDs 10000RPM running in RAID 0 mode
Rosewill 950W PSU


Now for GT cards:

3dmark Vantage:

http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/hardware/1788_10.html

COD4

http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/hardware/1788_8.html

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Test Platform
Processor Intel QX9650 @ 3.5GHz
Motherboard XFX 790i Ultra
Memory 2 GB (2 x 1 GB) Mushkin DDR3-2000
Drive(s) 1 - Seagate 80GB Barracuda SATA
1 - Samsung HD501LJ SATA
Graphics Card 1 - Visiontek HD4850
Card 2 - ASUS EAH 3870X2
Card 3 - ASUS 8800GT TOP
Card 4 - XFX 9600GT [censored]
Card 5 - NVIDIA 9800 GTX+
Drivers Forceware 177.39 - 9800 GTX+
Forceware 175.19 - 9600 GT, 8800 GT
Catalyst 8.6 - 3870X2
Catalyst 8.7 beta - HD 4850
Sound On board
Cooling Big Typhoon VX
Power Supply OCZ GameXStream 850 watts
Display Westinghouse 37" LVM-37W3
Case No case
OS Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit SP-1


3dmark 06 and Vantage on this site and many games CHECK IT OUT:

The 4850 is at stock and the GT is a TOP version = OC'ed Version.

Also 9800GTX+ is in it too.

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read_pf.php?cID=1303

Madmax
07-13-2008, 12:41 PM
So basically the 4850 is a powerful little card and outperforms GT cards stock for stock, any oc'ed card will be a little better of course.

It also comes close at stock to a 9800GTX+ which is the OC'ed version of the 9800GTX card.

Now the 4870 cards are a little better in performance then the 4850, but not by much.

Also keep in mind the 4800 series cards are running on BETA drivers and/or hotfix drivers .. not 100% up to snuff yet.

Madmax
07-13-2008, 12:43 PM
Here is some more results against 9800GTX and 9800GTX+

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1297&pageID=5020

So basically if you get those results now with a OC'ed GT and also get similar FPS then i would say stay with it, but i see some ppl with 2 x 8800 GTS 512MB cards OC'ed only come close or just out beat 1 x 4850 card performance.

Madmax
07-13-2008, 12:47 PM
Now against the 280 and 260 cards, well the 4850 and 4870 come close to them or out perform those cards in certain games.

The TOP cards from Nvidia are the 9800GTX 260 and 9800GTX+ 280 series cards.

ATI is the 4800 series cards.

Madmax
07-13-2008, 12:49 PM
Here is a review of the HD 4870 against 260 and 280 cards, which are the 9800 GTX and GTX+ if i am right.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2008/07/11/nVidia-GeForce-GTX-260/p8

Killswitch
07-18-2008, 12:30 AM
Ummmm....... no. The GTX260, GTX280, 9800GTX, and 9800GTX+ are all different video cards.

Madmax
07-18-2008, 09:14 AM
Ah ok i was not sure if they were the same as i thought the 260/280 were chipsets for the 9800 series. I don't follow Nvidia stuff to much as i don't care too.. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

thks for saying so.

Madmax
07-18-2008, 09:25 AM
Also here is something interesting:

Look at call of Duty 4 for example:

The HD4870 link is second one and the GTX 280 and other GTX cards is link one.

Notice the HD4870 performance on beta drivers is just one frame higher then the Nvidia GX2 card at resolution scale 1920/1200 4AA/16AF.

GX2 thats 2 GPU's = 65.7 Frames MAX.
The HD 4870 thats 1 GPU = 66.63 Frames Max

Now considering a 4850 card is just below the 4870. i would imagine it is around 63 Frames Max.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-gtx-280,1953-16.html

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2008/07/11/nVidia-GeForce-GTX-260/p8

Madmax
07-18-2008, 09:27 AM
I will review more once i get a new motherboard for my new quad-core. I am hoping within the next few week. The place i want to buy from has no stock for a few weeks and many other places are $40.00 to $50.00 more.

filthy
07-18-2008, 12:13 PM
So your posting all this crap but don't do much research? You thoguht the GTX 280 was a version of the 9800GTX??

Hahahahaha....busted! you skim reader!!

Either way you have a HD 4850 so obviously it's the greatest thing since the last card you owned....

Madmax
07-18-2008, 12:20 PM
Well it is definitely better then the last card i owned = the 8800 gts 320mb, the X1950 well that i had last, but i had 2 x X1900's prior to the 8800 card so in terms of which is better then the best card before. This 4850 blows the capacitors off that 8800 gts 320mb.

As for skim ready yeah i do that from time to time on nvidia stuff as it is the same crap over and over so i just skim through it is all.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 04:39 PM
Well new 8.7 official drivers are out and they have not lived up to all that wanted them to be.

Anyhoo i now have Vista 32 bit installed with SP1 and latest DX10 installed.

I just installed them (drivers today) and in 3dmark 06 there is tearing/artifacting in the 2 CPU's tests. In the canyon flight test there was 2 little stutters in the beginning of test. In the DEEP freeze test there was 1 stutter at the begining of test.

With hotfix drivers there was no tearing or artifacting.

Now i just installed Vista Ultimate yesterday, so fresh install and all updates are in and SP1 is also in, with latest DX10 driver.

I did unistall old drivers and used driversweeper in safe mode before installing new drivers.

My specs:

AMD 5000+ BE @ 3150mhz
HIS 4850 @ 700/1100 for this test run, usually i run 750/1100.
4gb, 2 x 2GB PC2 1000 G.Skill @ DDR2 800
1 x Seagate Sata 2 160GB HD
Vista Ultimate 32-bit with SP1 installed.

My 3dmark 06 score was 11144 this is also on stock driver install no tweaks in CCC setup.

My Win XP Pro with SP3 score was (on hotfix drivers) 11247 and that was when i ran 750/1100 on my card and there was no tearing or artifacts in 3dmark 06 with hotfix drivers.

So basically these new OFFICIAL DRIVERS are not any better in Vista as opposed to my XP performance, but i am not sure about gaming yet as all i play is COD4 for now and i expect similar FPS as previously.

So all this waiting for a kick arse driver for 3dmark06 was for nothing as it is apparent that it is not any better.

Its the same old saying of what you initially see with drivers when they come out is all you will see on your build Give Or take a few points here or there.

Maybe i will uninstall drivers and reinstall them to see if the drivers stop tearing/artifacting in 3dmark06.

I am somewhat disapointed in ATI/AMD for these drivers as these cards should be hitting 12,000 np's on a little build like mine.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 05:25 PM
Your score seems about right to me. I have pretty well the same setup as you except I'm running 2 3870's in CF and I got 12,500 last time I ran 3DMark06.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 06:32 PM
Ok now i ran VANTAGE PRO EDITION 1.0.1 Version for the very first time ever in my life and i must say BEAUTIFUL it is.

Oh my score is:

Ok here is my Vantage Score.

GPU: 6689

CPU: 4640

Total Vantage Score: 6024

My specs:

AMD 5000+ BE @ 3150mhz
HIS 4850 @ 700/1100 for this test run, usually i run 750/1100.
4gb, 2 x 2GB PC2 1000 G.Skill @ DDR2 800
1 x Seagate Sata 2 160GB HD
Vista Ultimate with SP1 installed, with latest 10.0 DX.

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Killswitch are your cards Oc'ed to get that score as well?

or was that stock and stock driver settings?

Keep in mind ppl these 8.7 Officials are still in their infancy.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 07:07 PM
Yeah, my cards are OC'ed. I edited and flashed both with the same bois.

I just made another 06 run for the hell of it and got 12,157.

AMD 5000+ BE @ 3.2GHz
2x 3870's @ 860/2400
4gb, 4 x 1GB DDR2 G.Skill @ 916MHz
1 x WD Raptor 150GB HD
Vista Home Premium 64bit w/SP1 and 8.6 drivers.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 07:11 PM
Can you try the 8.7 drivers for me and see if you get better or worse.

Also if i can OC that high on this card as i know many are OC'ed to 800mhz on 4850's i bet i be around 13,000.. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Soon i get my mobo in a few weeks and load up my quad-core.. 15,000 score here i come... woot woot.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 07:23 PM
Yeah I can load the 8.7's. I like keeping my drivers up to date anyhow.

As for a quad I'm gonna wait till fall and see what the Deneb's are going to be like. I saw a Chinese screen shot of CPU-Z showing a Deneb engineering sample that ran at 3.4ghz and did a round of super pi. That's for a new thread though.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 07:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah I can load the 8.7's. I like keeping my drivers up to date anyhow.

As for a quad I'm gonna wait till fall and see what the Deneb's are going to be like. I saw a Chinese screen shot of CPU-Z showing a Deneb engineering sample that ran at 3.4ghz and did a round of super pi. That's for a new thread though.</div></div>

Ok let me know your scores and yes thats for a new thread, but i hear ya, problem is how much better will they be and PRICE wise is the big factor as is it worth it or not, DDR3 and such.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 07:30 PM
Oh killswitch can you also look for any tearing/artifacting on CPU tests in 3dmark 06 and stutter in canyon run and deep freeze, maybe just a driver issue for 4850 card, but i will also ask Mboy67 for his cards.

If you are running Vantage please run version 1.0.1 to compare.

Edit:

Just to note in 3D vantage there was no artifacting or tearing or stuttering in any tests.

AmdWolfman
07-21-2008, 07:48 PM
5-16, you've had over three times as many as replies you got. isn't that almost spam your own thread. the reason no one is repling .
nice build BTW.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 07:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AmdWolfMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">5-16, you've had over three times as many as replies you got. isn't that almost spam your own thread. the reason no one is repling .
nice build BTW. </div></div>

Umm well it does not matter what you have posted about, but if you look i have updated info over time as you will see different dates on posts, some are DAYS/WEEKS apart ... i also posted info that Ultra54 and many others will wnat to look at for reference of FPS in games for thsic ard against Nvidia's TOP DOGS and Past cards.

Not to many ppl are in soonet in the past 4-8 months to care to post to much of anything and really what can they post to this thread except read about a new card ATI has out and i happen to have one of them. Some can contribute as they have High-End cards of the past and see what is better now as opposed to earlier cards.

Always keep in mind guys FPS is where it counts and this little 4850 kicks some serious GT's and GTS cards BUTTS in many games and keeps up with 9800 GTX and GTX+ in many games, difference is the price. This card is about $150.00 to $300.00 cheaper .

Thks it is a decent little build for now and i want/will get a better build soon.

I plan on selling this card in a few months to buy a 4870X2 card if they are a awesome card as that card will outperform or be on par with 2 x 4870's for a lower price to boot.

AmdWolfman
07-21-2008, 07:58 PM
i just never thought about pentiums, alsways amd.ati is doing ok . now it's time for the cpu to start competing agin

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 07:59 PM
Well, the 8.7's did make a little bit of difference. I didn't really watch it too much and I didn't notice any of the problems you mentioned.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/yosef79/Untitled-1.jpg

AmdWolfman
07-21-2008, 08:01 PM
that seems abit low, i dunno. i get 9833 and thats oc'ed cpu and gpuit's yours is a descent score mind you.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 08:03 PM
Ok so it was a little higher score is all and that is the concensus of many online right now.

Ok it is good to know the 3870's no issues, so i think either i need to reinstall drivers to see if it goes away or it is a drvier related issue for the 4850's and that is a ATI issue to worry about.

Its not a big issue, only small tearing and the odd artifacts and a few stutters. like small stutters, just can notice is all and maybe not make much difference in score.

I do ATI optimized the drivers for 4870's more so in Vantage then in 3dmark 06.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 08:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MadMax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PRICE wise is the big factor as is it worth it or not, DDR3 and such.</div></div>

I plan to run one in my present mobo which is an AM2+ board so I'll be using the ram I have now. AM3 chips can be used with DDR2 and DDR3, and they will run in AM2 and AM2+ boards....... but like I said, that's for a new thread. lol

Madmax
07-21-2008, 08:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AmdWolfMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that seems abit low, i dunno. i get 9833 and thats oc'ed cpu and gpuit's yours is a descent score mind you. </div></div>

Killswitchs score is about right for his build as he has 2 x 3870's.

I score close to his 2 cards with only one 4850.

he is OC'ed to the titts on the cards and i am only slightly oc'ed on my card.

killswitch if your thinking about a GPU upgrade this shows you what 1 x 4850 can do on your build and for $200.00 that is awesome, think for $400.00... what you get.. woot woot.

Now as for FPS look at those links i posted a few days ago or so and you will see how powerful this little card is against GT's GTS's, GTX's and the NEW GTX+ card.

Also the GT cards Oc'ed yes can only hit close to 10,000 or just over it, remember my 8800 GTS 320 OC'ed to the tits only just got over 10,000.

If i maxed my new card out to 800mhz-900mhz HELL i know from what others are hitting with quad-cores OC'ed to 3.6ghz-4.0ghz = 16,000-18,000 on one card.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 08:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AmdWolfMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that seems abit low, i dunno. i get 9833 and thats oc'ed cpu and gpuit's yours is a descent score mind you. </div></div>

Yeah think so? lol
Here's what I scored with one card back in February.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/yosef79/Untitled1.jpg

Madmax
07-21-2008, 08:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AmdWolfMan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">that seems abit low, i dunno. i get 9833 and thats oc'ed cpu and gpuit's yours is a descent score mind you. </div></div>

Yeah think so? lol
Here's what I scored with one card back in February.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/yosef79/Untitled1.jpg </div></div>

And thats a OC'ed card to the tits .. too..... /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 08:16 PM
Max, I've been reading some reviews the last few days and I saw one site that included a 3870X2 in the mix and it proved to be about the same as a 4870 in performance. So I'm gonna stick with this setup for a while I think. At the most what I MIGHT do is sell one card off for a 3870X2 and run with 3 GPU's if I can get one for $250ish or less. But that's all depending on how heavy Far Cry 2 is aswell!

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 08:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MadMax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And thats a OC'ed card to the tits .. too..... /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</div></div>

Isn't it all about the boobs????

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 08:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MadMax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I plan on selling this card in a few months to buy a 4870X2 card if they are a awesome card as that card will outperform or be on par with 2 x 4870's for a lower price to boot.</div></div>

Why not keep the 4850 and run it in CF with a 4870X2?

Madmax
07-21-2008, 08:28 PM
Yeah its all about the boobs...... lol

Yeah 3870X2 is close to 1 x 4870 cards in todays drivers and benchmarks, keeping in mind all benchmarks are not 100% for the 4870's or newer nvidia cards.

Drivers need to be more optimized yet.

Now about links i posted above i like for ppl to note this.



Spec CPU they used is a X6800 = 2.93ghz, my 5000+ = Oc'ed 3150mhz

My advantage a little higher, but notice the Nvidia cards in the mix and the GT is a OC'ed version.

http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/580/3dmv-p.jpg


COD4:

I get way higher as i run a tweaked config, i get an of average 200-250 FPS at 1280x1024.

Here is there test review again notice the Nvidia cards in the mix and the GT is a OC'ed version:

http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/580/cod4-1600-bar.jpg

Madmax
07-21-2008, 08:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MadMax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I plan on selling this card in a few months to buy a 4870X2 card if they are a awesome card as that card will outperform or be on par with 2 x 4870's for a lower price to boot.</div></div>

Why not keep the 4850 and run it in CF with a 4870X2? </div></div>

Yeah now u thinking maybe i will, but i want to see reviews on this crossfireX stuff first before plunging into it.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 08:41 PM
From what I've read the scaling is great for the 3800 series (i.e. - 3870 + 3850) but going to the 4th GPU doesn't gain you much in any configurtion..... yet. I also read that ATI is supposedly working on drivers to get the 4800's and 3800's to run in Crossfire!!!! I'm not sure how true that is but it would be cool. Then I'd ditch my 3870X2 + 3870 idea lol. But like I said, for now I'm sticking with my cards. As tempting as it is to get new stuff, I'd be wasting my money.

Madmax
07-21-2008, 08:45 PM
True you may as well wait a little longer ... maybe 3-6 months.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 09:04 PM
Haha, longer then that I hope because I won't be playing many games till winter hits. I'm hardly ever sitting in front of my rig right now.

Killswitch
07-21-2008, 11:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MadMax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok here is my Vantage Score.

GPU: 6689

CPU: 4640

Total Vantage Score: 6024
</div></div>

Holy crap! I just ran Vantage Pro Edition on the "Performance" setting and I have to say I'm quite pleased.

GPU: 8269
CPU: 4841
Total: 7025

Killswitch
07-22-2008, 12:05 AM
Shazzam!!!!!!!!

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/yosef79/vantage-1.jpg

mboy67
07-22-2008, 12:10 AM
Here is mine after installing the new drivers.

GPU: 14223
CPU: 14510
Total: 14294

I definitely like my build.

Killswitch
07-22-2008, 12:29 AM
Thanks for raining on my parade. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif lol

mboy67
07-22-2008, 12:36 AM
lol Sorry

Madmax
07-22-2008, 09:43 AM
Hey Killswitch.. what was different in that last socre you post and this score here you post in April:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/yosef79/Vantage.jpg

http://www.soonet.ca/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=591249&page=1#Post591249

Killswitch
07-22-2008, 12:25 PM
Well that first score was ran with the "one time only" edition. I don't know if that makes a difference or not. I doubt it. But other then that, I'm just running newer drivers. Big difference though! Someone at ATI pulled their socks up!