Gotta love youth conference enticements in the US [Archive]

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 09:06 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ross said the conference isn’t all about guns, but rather about teens finding faith. </div></div>

I don't really understand the co-relation.. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 09:07 PM

LOL

BlueSky

07-12-2008, 09:09 PM

there is no correlation between guns and faith.
It's a gimmick to get kids to come to camp.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 09:11 PM

Not a very wise one, I am sure most would agree /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

BlueSky

07-12-2008, 09:12 PM

maybe its a gospel gun giveaway.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 09:13 PM

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Soundbear

07-12-2008, 09:50 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Karen-annie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From CNN:

Gun give-away cancelled (http://www.koco.com/news/16860079/detail.html)

And not just any gun but a semi-automatic assault rifle!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif </div></div>

Big words used by media to describe guns don't impress me much.

Hunters use them all the time.

Semi-automatic merely means you don't have to put another bullet in the chamber manually.

An automatic assault rifle would be a machine gun, so the media prefers the term, since it sounds so scarry, oo-oo-oo!!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Soundbear

07-12-2008, 09:51 PM

p.s. If they gave away a car, it would never make the press, even though a car is a lot more likely to kill somebody, especially a teen.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 09:53 PM

A gun is a gun, I don't care if they where offering pellet guns it's just a silly gimmick that relates in no way what the Church or the weekend get-together. It's just saying "Come on over, get a free gun!" Most of the kids that would go likely would have no interest in the teachings.

Soundbear

07-12-2008, 09:54 PM

In the american culture, especially in that area, it's no big deal.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 09:58 PM

good point, I still think they could have had a much more relevant gimmick don't you? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Soundbear

07-12-2008, 10:17 PM

It's something of value, maybe a gun is of significance to them, in a way that we don't understand.

Must be that, because I can't see a girl wanting a gun.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 10:23 PM

oh, I know of many /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Soundbear

07-12-2008, 10:25 PM

Probably so do they. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

BlueSky

07-12-2008, 10:40 PM

Oh Barry, no big deal eh? This is NUTS, even for an American! If it had been a republican convention, you'd be jumping all over this.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 10:47 PM

I do not think i is very moral to supply teenagers with fre guns as a bribe to go to a religious event. I completly agree bluesky

GenX

07-12-2008, 10:47 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In the american culture, especially in that area, it's no big deal. </div></div>

"Police in Peel Region, west of Toronto, are investigating a pair of slayings that occurred in a span of 30 minutes 18 kilometres apart.

A fatal shooting at a blood-spattered pre-Canada Day party sent people running for their lives Monday night in Brampton, Ont.

Gunfire erupted outside the home at about 11:20 p. m. Monday, hours into an annual party at a home that's reportedly notorious in the neighbourhood.

When the crowds parted, Glenford Reid, 31, was found dead, his body riddled with bullets."

LINK (http://www.theobserver.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1096538)

God bless Canada.

BlueSky

07-12-2008, 10:49 PM

Oh puhleeze.. stay close to the topic.. what does this have to do with the great godly gun giveaway?

Soundbear

07-12-2008, 10:51 PM

GenX

07-12-2008, 10:51 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh puhleeze.. stay close to the topic.. what does this have to do with the great godly gun giveaway?
</div></div>

Barry mentioned what a violent gun culture America has.

I love pointing to Toronto's violent culture when Canadians get all caught up in their false sense of non-violence.

BlueSky

07-12-2008, 10:51 PM

yessirr

GenX

07-12-2008, 10:51 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh puhleeze.. stay close to the topic.. what does this have to do with the great godly gun giveaway?
</div></div>

Just report it off topic and leave it. </div></div>

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BlueSky

07-12-2008, 10:54 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh puhleeze.. stay close to the topic.. what does this have to do with the great godly gun giveaway?
</div></div>

Barry mentioned what a violent gun culture America has.

I love pointing to Toronto's violent culture when Canadians get all caught up in their false sense of non-violence. </div></div>

But we were not doing that.
We were opining on what a whacky idea it was to give guns away freely to kids in order to entice them to come to camp. That's whacked, whether you are in Canda, the US or Timbuckthree-eighty

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 10:54 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I love pointing to Toronto's violent culture <u>when Canadians get all caught up in their false sense of non-violence</u>. </div></div>

That's a generalization and a half. I disagree with what Barry has to say about the "only in USA" attitude. What do you think about this church group?

GenX

07-12-2008, 10:58 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh puhleeze.. stay close to the topic.. what does this have to do with the great godly gun giveaway?
</div></div>

Barry mentioned what a violent gun culture America has.

I love pointing to Toronto's violent culture when Canadians get all caught up in their false sense of non-violence. </div></div>

But we were not doing that.
We were opining on what a whacky idea it was to give guns away freely to kids in order to entice them to come to camp. That's whacked, whether you are in Canda, the US or Timbuckthree-eighty </div></div>

This thread mentioned American violence. I posted a link that shows Canada has its share of violence. I was merely commenting.

GenX

07-12-2008, 11:00 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a generalization and a half. </div></div>

Really? The Toronto city council recently told th media the reason Toronto is becoming such a violent city is because American guns are making their way to the city.

That's a perfect example of the Canadian inability to face reality, and attempt to place all blame on the U.S.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 11:04 PM

ya, this is Canada RWGR, our councils and political "representations" rarely represent the general voice of a community /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
I am honestly curious as to your opinion on this gun-give-away thing.

GenX

07-12-2008, 11:05 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ya, this is Canada RWGR, our councils and political "representations" rarely represent the general voice of a community /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
I am honestly curious as to your opinion on this gun-give-away thing. </div></div>

It's a Protestant church...need I say more? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 11:09 PM

Is the morality behind protistant and your religion differ that much?

GenX

07-12-2008, 11:13 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the morality behind protistant and your religion differ that much? </div></div>

the fundamentals, in many cases, are the same.

However, you would never see the Catholic Church offer such an insane program. Why?

Because Protestants make it up as they go.

dancingqueen

07-12-2008, 11:19 PM

This reminds me of the family guy episode where they move to Texas because everyone thought stewie was possesed by the Devil
and BBrian bought a 26er of Jack Daniels and got a free gun /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

GenX

07-12-2008, 11:22 PM

The Protestant church in this story believed in giving guns away as an enticement. The Protestant church down the street no doubt disagreed with this.

How can this happen?

Because they believe in "Sola Scriptura", each man interprets the Bible for himself.

The results speak for themselves.

Soundbear

07-13-2008, 11:52 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Barry mentioned what a violent gun culture America has.
</div></div>

That would be a typical RWGR lie.

What I said was:
"In the american culture, especially in that area, it's no big deal."

That does not say anything about violence.

Soundbear

07-13-2008, 11:53 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...That's a generalization and a half. I disagree with what Barry has to say about the "only in USA" attitude. ...</div></div>

That is also untrue. The "only in the USA" never came up.

Soundbear

07-13-2008, 11:57 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the morality behind protistant and your religion differ that much? </div></div>

the fundamentals, in many cases, are the same.

However, you would never see the Catholic Church offer such an insane program. Why?

Because Protestants make it up as they go. </div></div>

You would never see this happen because Catholic youth only gather when the Pope comes around.

See any catholic youth camps in the area?? Not a one.

But there are at least 5 Protestant camps within 100 miles of here.

Kinda sad really. I think only ONE of the RCC churches I've worked in had any facilities for youth.

GenX

07-13-2008, 01:11 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You would never see this happen because Catholic youth only gather when the Pope comes around.

See any catholic youth camps in the area?? Not a one. </div></div>

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif Good lord, what generalizations!

There are more Catholic school in the twin Soo's than any other non-public institutions. Hmmmm, sure seems youth attend schools.

There is a "Vacation Bible Camp" going on right now at St. Joe's here in Sault, Michigan. i guess someone forgot to tell them they only gather when the Pope is around.

GenX

07-13-2008, 01:13 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think only ONE of the RCC churches I've worked in had any facilities for youth.</div></div>

This is offered as 'proof'.

Well ,this one's done...

NEXT!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

dancingqueen

07-13-2008, 01:17 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...That's a generalization and a half. I disagree with what Barry has to say about the "only in USA" attitude. ...</div></div>

That is also untrue. The "only in the USA" never came up. </div></div>

It's the general attitude you display Barry, not just you, many others on this board do the same thing. The states though vastly dfferent in some regards are also vastly simmilar in some ways.
but I apologize, I may have helped derail this into a political issue

GenX

07-13-2008, 01:22 PM

From Soo, Ontario Catholic churches...

Children’s Liturgy of the Word

10:30 am Sunday Mass. Children
ages 3 - 7 are invited to gather with adult leaders to hear God’s Word.

LINK (http://www.saultchurches.com/blessedsacrament/)

Childrens Liturgy and Babysitting at 11:00 am Mass

LINK (http://www.saultchurches.com/stgerard/)

Also...

"On June 10, three Dominican Sisters from the order of Mary Mother of the Eucharist from Ann Arbor, Mich., arrived at Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha Catholic Church to conduct a Summer Camp for children ages 6 to 16 from Blessed Kateri in Bay Mills; St. Francis Xavier in Brimley; and St. Mary's in Sault Ste. Marie. The camp ran from Monday, June 19 to Thursday, June 22 from 9 a.m. to noon at the church."

LINK (http://www.baymills.org/newspaper/2006/06-29/062906-news-summercamp.shtml)

GenX

07-13-2008, 01:36 PM

Keep in mind, with the Pope arriving in Australia for World Youth Day, some people are getting nervous. They know the Pope inspires millions around the planet at such events. They know their version of Christianity has nothing even remotely comparable. As such, they will attempt to belittle Catholicism now, as some type of pre-emptive strike.

It won't work. World Youth Day will be a massive success, and ill-willed non-Catholics will continue to scratch their heads as to why there is no comparable phenomenon in their circle of Christianity.

dancingqueen

07-13-2008, 01:56 PM

is he giving away free guns?

Soundbear

07-13-2008, 09:40 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keep in mind, with the Pope arriving in Australia for World Youth Day, some people are getting nervous. They know the Pope inspires millions around the planet at such events. They know their version of Christianity has nothing even remotely comparable. As such, they will attempt to belittle Catholicism now, as some type of pre-emptive strike.

It won't work. World Youth Day will be a massive success, and ill-willed non-Catholics will continue to scratch their heads as to why there is no comparable phenomenon in their circle of Christianity. </div></div>

I suggest you search "Christian festivals" on google. There are "comparable phenomena" all over Canada and the USA.

I'm glad that World Youth Day was and is a colossal success. I'm also glad when protestant bands play at them.

I'm sad to see an RCC church building with a chapel, an office, and a couple of bathrooms. I'm sad to see an RCC church with an unused, high quality DJ system in the basement.

I'm amused at hearing in the only RCC church I know with youth facilities Protestant praise and worship songs.

These problems, BTW, are not unique to the RCC. There ARE "old folks" churches in our circles. But they don't last long.

All churches MUST serve all ages. If they don't they will close.

dancingqueen

07-13-2008, 09:44 PM

I thought this thread was about a gun giveaway....
Sorry if I had hijacked the thread /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

Soundbear

07-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Ah, we all did. Let's give it up!!

dancingqueen

07-13-2008, 09:52 PM

Well, it is a worthy topic, how do you guys think God would feel about a church group giving away guns?
I think God would not be pleased at all.

Soundbear

07-13-2008, 10:00 PM

I think that God knows that a gun never, ever hurt a single person all by itself, and that a gun is just as good an enticement to attendance as any other object.

dancingqueen

07-13-2008, 10:12 PM

that is true, but a person without a gun and a person with a gun make two very different statements. It is the presence or lack of a gun that makes the statement.
I'm not saying guns are bad, I am saying that I don't think God would condone such a thing to be associated with the spreading of his word.

Soundbear

07-13-2008, 10:15 PM

Ok, just a difference of opinion.

BTW, just realized that the Boy Scouts have gun badges.

dancingqueen

07-13-2008, 10:23 PM

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are you serious?????

dancingqueen

07-13-2008, 10:30 PM

The closest one I saw was Master at arms
http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/badges/scout-activity-index.htm

I don't know if scouts change from country to country though, This one is in the UK

Soundbear

07-14-2008, 09:03 AM

They do. Obviously the USA has a different culture, one where hunting and shooting are a part.

This is not bad, just different.

GenX

07-14-2008, 07:25 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I suggest you search "Christian festivals" on google. There are "comparable phenomena" all over Canada and the USA.</div></div>

Show me one of these festivals that rival any appearance by the Pope.

Show me one Christian festival that gathers over one million youths.

Pope JPII gathered the largest crowd in human history in Manila in 1995. Show me the "Christian festival" equivalent of that.

You can't. You can show me lesser imitations.

And that, if you think about it, is quite fitting. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Soundbear

07-14-2008, 10:28 PM

Lesser imitations?? Of the Pope coming?? It's scary that you might be serious. But I know you aren't.

The first annual festivals I went to were back in 1977. Good speakers, good music.

They have continued in locations all over North America, for over 30 years. Search +Christian +"music festival" and look at 1.6 million sites.

They aren't imitations. They just are.

GenX

07-15-2008, 10:41 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lesser imitations?? Of the Pope coming?? It's scary that you might be serious. But I know you aren't.

The first annual festivals I went to were back in 1977. Good speakers, good music.

They have continued in locations all over North America, for over 30 years. Search +Christian +"music festival" and look at 1.6 million sites.

They aren't imitations. They just are.

</div></div>

Not a word about the relatively small numbers in attendance.

I figured as much.

Soundbear

07-15-2008, 01:13 PM

Dozens of small gatherings every year aren't intended to be big bashes to see one guy.

The numbers range any where from 1000, to 20,000. If it makes you feel better to think "ours is better because we got a bigger attendance", then by all means be my guest.