guantanamo prison

[JohnnyCash]

"Most of the detainees still at Guantanamo are not scheduled for trial. As of November 2006, according to MSNBC.com, out of 775 detainees who have been brought to Guantanamo, approximately 340 have been released, leaving 435 detainees. Of those 435, 110 have been labeled as ready for release. Of the other 325, only "more than 70" will face trial, the Pentagon says. That leaves about 250 who may be held indefinitely"

so their holding 250 people with no intention of ever letting them go? and without a trial or charges?

[Verotik]

yup, but speed thinks its ok, so im sure the world will get over it, we dont need any rights.

[GenX]

Just like dinner is served at a certain time, or the sun rises at a certain time, so comes the Gitmo thread, on cue.

[Soundbear]

Tell us Speed why 340 were released?? Were they innocent?? When was the trial??

And do you think they will go home and return to their normal lives??

I'd really love to know how many will think of their time at Gitmo as a catalyst to their renewed fight.

[GirlNextDoor]

compassion for the enemy is stupid. He who tries to moderate war has already conceded the fight.

Im assuming upon release they will want to return to where they came and raise arms again.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Object X</div><div class="ubbcode-body">compassion for the enemy is stupid. He who tries to moderate war has already conceded the fight.

Im assuming upon release they will want to return to where they came and raise arms again. </div></div>

But Object X, how do you know these men took up arms in the first place?? They were never charged, and now they are being released. Why would that happen???

[GirlNextDoor]

guess you got a good point there.but not all of them are innocent bystanders who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Soundbear]

I know that. I'm just not to thrilled about locking up the innocent just to make sure you got the guilty.

And like I said, there's probably 450 (maybe 700) guys who have a reason, good or not, to go war. Along with their families.

[K3lvin]

I have the solution to all this. Nuke the US. We'll be happier without the guy on speed anyways. We'll just sell our tainted meat to the Iraqi's. They're all starving anyways.

[JohnnyCash]

we jsut paid a man 10.5 million dollars of our tax money cause we had him imprisoned falsely.

[K3lvin]

Don't worry about that. We're likely paying a lawyer 49 million in a few weeks for falsely imprisoning the court system.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tell us Speed why 340 were released?? Were they innocent?? When was the trial??

And do you think they will go home and return to their normal lives??

I'd really love to know how many will think of their time at Gitmo as a catalyst to their renewed fight. </div></div>

"Normal lives"

for example, plotting to kill innocent civilians, planning to plant IED's along the roadways when funeral processions are going by, blowing up western tourists whose biggest fault was that they hanppened to stop by the cafe for a coffee.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Tell us Speed why 340 were released?? Were they innocent?? When was the trial??</div></div>

The same reason people are released from your penal system at times.

How about the thousands that haven't been released? Sounds like the system is working.

Nothing is perfect. Only where the US is concerned do you hold their actions and institutions to perfection. No one else, country or person, is held to those same standards. That is because your blind anti-Americanism clouds your every thought.

[K3lvin]

Actually, I think it's because the US holds all these countries to their own self absorbed standards while blatantly acting like a higher power. Then, guys like you whine when the rest of us take you to task for the hypocrisy you represent by attacking us for bringing it up. Must be nice to drink from both sides while polluting it for the rest of us.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Tell us Speed why 340 were released?? Were they innocent?? When was the trial??</div></div>

The same reason people are released from your penal system at times.

</div></div>

Maybe you could find some who never even had a trial???

Sounds like part of the usual "Kill 'em all and let god sort them out" philosophy.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tell us Speed why 340 were released?? Were they innocent?? When was the trial??

And do you think they will go home and return to their normal lives??

I'd really love to know how many will think of their time at Gitmo as a catalyst to their renewed fight. </div></div>

"Normal lives"

for example, plotting to kill innocent civilians, planning to plant IED's along the roadways when funeral processions are going by, blowing up western tourists whose biggest fault was that they hanppened to stop by the cafe for a coffee. </div></div>

Proof buddy proof. What you howl about all the time.

Obviously there isn't any, because a bunch of them are being sent home, and if they weren't terrorists before, they sure as hell are now!!!

[GenX]

Do you watch the nightly news?

There's your proof, buddy /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

[K3lvin]

Ah Fox news. Isn't Rupert in the same position with Dubya as Monica was with Bill?

[GenX]

Hmmm...I say "Nightly news" and you assume "Fox News"...a bit paranoid, are we???

[K3lvin]

Only as paranoid as Mulder was....

[GenX]

Mulder...who?

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you watch the nightly news?

There's your proof, buddy /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif </div></div>

Then how could your government be so stupid as to let hundreds of them go home???? Duh!!!

[GenX]

Translator, please.

[Soundbear]

That's what I thought you say.

[shadowjak]

Interrogation is a methodology employed during the interview of a person, referred to as a "source", to obtain information that the source would not otherwise willingly disclose.

A typical purpose is not necessarily to force a confession, but rather to develop, playing on the source's character, sufficient rapport as to prompt the source to disclose information valuable to the interrogator.

Prisoners of war routinely undergo military interrogation and thus, resistance training is often a prerequisite for some personnel.

Interrogation methods used at Guantanamo Bay and many other U.S. camps for illegal combatants could, with special approval, include sleep deprivation, exposure to extremes of cold and heat, and placing prisoners in "stress positions" for long periods of time.
It has been suggested by various media outlets that such harsh treatment during interrogation may cross the boundary between acceptable methods of gaining information and torture.

It should be noted however, that to date no media outlets have not been accredited for their supposed expertise on such matters. Additionally, while some techniques appear to be unnecessarily harsh, their employment have proven invaluable in intelligence gathering and are proven to be directly related to the prevention of multiple terrorist attacks, (ex. London bombings thwarted, multiple US and attacks thwarted, foiled attacks in Yemen).

So if a Detainee resists interrogation,refuses to speak,give out information etc,what do you do with them??
Are you going to let potentially dangerous people back out on the streets?
OOPS but then again we did have the young offenders act Murder=3 years at a resort.
Welcome to the hell of your own making.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Translator, please. </div></div>

Translation:

Response options:

1:ignore
2:make fun of
3:misunderstand

In this case, what anyone with a modicom of brights would get, you choose to misunderstand.

The vaunted justice system of the United States of America is now releasing hundreds of people held for years with no charges. I suppose it's better than killing them all, which is the action one hears a lot from the right here.

Please excuse the rest of us if we perceive this to be a ludicrous state of affairs.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that Al Queda will be trying to recruit every last one of those men and boys, forged into haters of the USA in the pit of Gitmo prison.

[GenX]

They've made impressive inroads with you, Barry.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's what I thought you say. </div></div>

good...now even you are begining to see what a non-sensical rambler you can be /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Soundbear]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2432-2005Apr19.html

"...it was determined that they are no longer enemy combatants. Officials would not discuss any additional details about the detainees or their cases."

What a surprise that they won't discuss it.

"..whether they would be eligible for prosecution under war crimes laws. "

And that is a joke. Whose war crimes laws??

[GenX]

Anyone followiing this guy? If so, please let me know what the hell it is he is talking about.

Many thanks.

[K3lvin]

What war?

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K3lvin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What war? </div></div>

Speed wishes he'd thought of that response a long time ago!!

[GenX]

What on earth is he rambling about???

[Soundbear]

Never mind, Speed, you never have anything to contribute anyway.

[nsyrette]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"...it was determined that they are no longer enemy combatants. Officials would not discuss any additional details about the detainees or their cases."

What a surprise that they won't discuss it.
</div></div>I'd imagine that these cases are now probably going to another court venue.

Of course, this combined with the current war will further bleed your country's coffers dry, all for nought.


In terms of saving face, this mistake will come at a really heavy cost.

[GenX]

No, the definition of "bleeding your coffers dry" would be a health care system that is so expensive it has become all but impossible to run anymore. People get just as sick IN Canadian hospitals than they do outside of them. Why? Because the socialist, nanny-state dream of 'hold my hand mommy' is begining to crumble. People who rely on the government for everything soon settle for mediocrity everywhere. Calling Canada's healthcare system 'mediocre' is very, very generous, I can assure you.

The Iraq war hardly registers on the American economic screen. The money isn't an issue, it's the yellow-belly liberals that are the issue.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never mind, Speed, you never have anything to contribute anyway. </div></div>

TRANSLATION: "I'm not telling you what I mean for two reasons: one, because even I don't know what in the hell it is I mean; and two, because if I did know what I mean you'd ask me to support my argument, and other than emotionalism and thirty-second news bites, i don't even know where I come up with half the stuff I do!"

[JohnnyCash]

NOW I KNOW YOUR IN A DREAM WORLD SPEED.

this war in bankrupting your country and making our country rich. Keep buying our steel to build bombs we're loving it..

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=562840

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/

and you guys owe

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

HRMMMMMM lets see where are you going to get the money to pay this off?


here speed learn something

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._public_debt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

look canada is 77th

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">look canada is 77th </div></div>

That's because Canada relies on the US for its protection, just like Europe.

And I'm not about to argue debt and deficit with someone that comes un-armed to a battle of wits.

[JohnnyCash]

HAHAAH you dont wanna debate cause you have no answers

[JohnnyCash]

who do we need protection from but the united stated

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheManInBlack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">who do we need protection from but the united stated </div></div>

If the goal of Canadian socialists was to keep the citezenry dumb they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

[JohnnyCash]

I love how you attack when you have nothing to give. You show your stupidity more and more every day on this site. If you honestly believe this crap you spew out, I feel very sorry that you live in a world of dementia.

[K3lvin]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheManInBlack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">who do we need protection from but the united stated </div></div>

If the goal of Canadian socialists was to keep the citezenry dumb they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. </div></div>

Interesting line. I believe though, I've heard the same said about the current US government.

[Wrangler35]

IMPEACH NOW!

[Soundbear]

Kahdr is apparently the first to come to trial. He was 15 years old at the time of his capture. US soldiers shot him in the back twice.

I'll bet the guys relesed earlier will be watching this trial with great interest, those who were NOT terrorists BEFORE their capture.

[shadowjak]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g59/kittycity_2006/I_HEART_GITMO_Bumper_Sticker.jpg

Do you really think that the detainees are all a bunch of innocent civilians that have done nothing wrong???

(SACRAMENTO) – The non-profit group that supports our troops and the war against terrorism, Move America Forward (website: http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org) has launched a campaign to rally public support for the Detention Center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The “I LOVE GITMO” campaign will take to the airwaves in the form of paid commercials urging Americans to support the men and women operating the terrorist detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.

The commercials will target those individuals who have put forth false charges about the operations at the facility so that their constituents can know about their "Blame America First" antics. One example is Illinois Senator, [censored] Durbin who said GITMO and those running it had created an environment akin to the "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others."

“GITMO is a key arsenal in the fight against terrorism, and Americans must stand behind the heroic men and women of the Armed Forces who serve proudly there,” said Howard Kaloogian, Co-Chair of Move America Forward.

The campaign to support GITMO was launched on Thursday with the release of the “I LOVE GITMO” bumper sticker. Thousands of these bumper stickers have been sold in the first 24 hours they were available online at http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org

“These terrorists detained are not common criminals; they are enemy combatants in our war against terrorism. They are not entitled to all of the rights that someone arrested in this country gets. Just like we held German and Japanese prisoners of war during World War II, we have to confine enemy combatants so they stop killing Americans serving their country in Iraq and Afghanistan,” Kaloogian added.

On the website Move America Forward notes that the food served to the terrorist detainees and terrorist suspects held at GITMO is better in many cases than the food being served to our troops in the Armed Services. Congressional decree prevents the military from serving MRE’s (Meals Ready to Eat – vacuum packed sealed food bags served to U.S. troops) to detainees because it would be considered “abuse.”

Instead, in the past week the anti-American terrorists and terrorist suspects held at GITMO have been served:

*Orange Glazed Chicken
*Rice Pilaf
*Steamed Peas & Mushrooms
*Fruit Roupee

In addition, on Ramadan the terrorists held at GITMO are served lamb, dates and honey as part of their religious observance.

GITMO detainees also are provided prayer mats and prayer oils and are allowed to pray five times per day – something that even U.S. schoolchildren are forbidden from doing.

“In recent days we’ve seen certain liberal politicians have the audacity to undermine American troops by falsely accusing them of torture and misconduct, including bogus charges of desecrating the Koran” said Melanie Morgan, Co-Chair of Move America Forward.

“These shameless individuals, interesting in selling magazines or rallying their leftist political followers, are willing to denigrate the important mission being conducted by our troops in Guantanamo Bay.

“By falsely provoking anti-American sentiment overseas, these domestic enemies who have fanned the flames of a ‘Gulag at Guantanamo’ are jeopardizing the lives and well being of our servicemen and women stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Morgan.

P.S.--You can still be an enemy combatant at 15.
And yes I am against the practice of creating/brainwashing young children to be terrorists.
I have seen actual videos of children being trained at the age of 4-quite disgusting

[Wrangler35]

Tell me some-thing Shadowjak:did you serve in the Canadian military..and what rank..you sound like the guy on the Island who i think was running for Conservative party!

To me war is hell..no debate from me..but..anger aside..if a person is captured and or give them selves up..what gives any-one the Moral Authority to beat the crap or torture prisoners..for any given reason.Progaganda aside Shadowjak..Pictures were circulated..let alone stories of torture authenticated..so..again what gives one the Moral authority to do it...because they can!

Gitmo..had to clean it's act up..but we ALL know that US the farms out so called prisoners ( of and to an ever ending war on Terrorisim) to other countries who do torture.

Canada in Afgani..had to do a double think about their policy..why?

Why lower ones Standard..use-full information...its the means to the ends that's questionable..Like i said war is hell..and we are judged by what we do...United states earned every ounce under the Decider's Fascist watch...ME..my Opionion does'nt matter..but the facts do.

[Hans]

What I find really funny is that the US holds their terrorist prisoners in a camp located in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The same Cuba that has been on a special US government list, is considered hostile to the US, and they nearly started a nuclear war over it back in the sixties.

I wonder if the US guards need to have special US issued visa's, the same requirements as other US Citizen's need if they want to travel to Cuba.

The US does not even have any diplomatic relations with Cuba!

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I find really funny is that the US holds their terrorist prisoners in a camp located in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The same Cuba that has been on a special US government list, is considered hostile to the US, and they nearly started a nuclear war over it back in the sixties.

I wonder if the US guards need to have special US issued visa's, the same requirements as other US Citizen's need if they want to travel to Cuba.

The US does not even have any diplomatic relations with Cuba!

</div></div> Good question hans.one reason they operate in Cuba..is to defy International scruitiny..at least that was the objective!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I find really funny is that the US holds their terrorist prisoners in a camp located in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The same Cuba that has been on a special US government list, is considered hostile to the US, and they nearly started a nuclear war over it back in the sixties.

I wonder if the US guards need to have special US issued visa's, the same requirements as other US Citizen's need if they want to travel to Cuba.

The US does not even have any diplomatic relations with Cuba!

</div></div>

Gitmo is US territory. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/idea.gif

Geez, do I have to teach you guys EVERYTHING????

[Wrangler35]

Gitmo is leased...ummm...its not owned by US..

[Soundbear]

Shadowjak said:

"Do you really think that the detainees are all a bunch of innocent civilians that have done nothing wrong???"

I don't know. You don't know. The most depraved child killer ever to be executed in the USA had the charges against him clearly laid out in a court of law. We don't know why most of these guys were detained.

And due process can't even be considered to apply.

The USA stupidly has inspired hundreds of new terrorists at Gitmo.

[Hans]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I find really funny is that the US holds their terrorist prisoners in a camp located in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The same Cuba that has been on a special US government list, is considered hostile to the US, and they nearly started a nuclear war over it back in the sixties.

I wonder if the US guards need to have special US issued visa's, the same requirements as other US Citizen's need if they want to travel to Cuba.

The US does not even have any diplomatic relations with Cuba!

</div></div>

Gitmo is US territory. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/idea.gif

Geez, do I have to teach you guys EVERYTHING???? </div></div>


Guantánamo Bay Naval Base is located at the southeastern end of Cuba and has been used by the United States Navy for more than a century. It is the oldest overseas U.S. Navy Base and the only one in a country with which the United States does not have diplomatic relations. The United States controls the land on both sides of the southern part of Guantánamo Bay (Bahía de Guantánamo in Spanish) under a lease set up in the wake of the 1898 Spanish-American War. The lease was established in a 1903 agreement between the two governments, and its terms were modified in a 1934 treaty. The current Cuban government considers the U.S. presence in Guantánamo to be an illegal occupation of the area, and argues that the Cuban-American Treaty, which established the lease in 1903, now violates article 52 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. However, the United States government contends that Article 4 of the same document states that the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties shall not be retroactively applied to any treaties made before it.The U.S. also argues that its right to the base have been reaffirmed by Cuba since the original treaty.

It's not US territory, it's US contested territory. See how they bend the Vienna convention again in their favor?
Next time get your facts straight Speedy.

[Huggy85]

ahem.....speedy loses. A lease does not mean ownership.

[shadowjak]

Detainee (from the french word : "détenu" and the french verb "détenir". "Détenu" means prisoner in french "prisonnier". In french, a "détenu" is a guilty person, a "prisonnier" is not necessarily a guilty person, for example the prisoners of war or the persons before a judgment).

Detainee is a controversial term used by certain governments and their military to refer to individuals held in custody, such as those it does not classify and treat as either prisoners of war or suspects in criminal cases.

The word came into common usage during and after the War in Afghanistan (2001–present), as the U.S. government's term of choice to describe members of the Taliban and al-Qaeda captured in that war. The U.S. government classifies captured enemy combatants as "detainees" because there is no consensus about whether the combatants are "prisoners of war" under the definition found in the Geneva Convention. The controversy arises because the Geneva Convention protects "prisoners of war" but says nothing about "detainees." Many of the detainees of this war were transferred to the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp, where they are held to this day. These detainees are allowed a trial, but with strong procedural limitations.

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2001 Presidential military order

In the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks the United States Congress passed a resolution known as the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) on September 18, 2001. In this, Congress invoked the War Powers Resolution and stated:

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Using the authorization granted to him by Congress, on November 13, 2001, President Bush issued a Presidential Military Order: "Detention, Treatment, and Trial of Certain Non-Citizens in the War Against Terrorism" which allowed "individuals ... to be detained, and, when tried, to be tried for violations of the laws of war and other applicable laws by military tribunals", where such individuals are a member of the organization known as al Qa'ida; or has conspired or committed acts of international terrorism, or have as their aim to cause, injury to or adverse effects on the United States, its citizens, national security, foreign policy, or economy. The order also specifies that the detainees are to be treated humanely.

The length of time for which a detention of such individuals can continue before being tried by a military tribunal is not specified in the military order. The military order uses the term "detainees" to describe the individuals detained under the military order. The U.S. administration chooses to describe the detainees held under the military order as "Illegal enemy combatants".

With the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan some lawyers in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Aid and in the office of White House counsel Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush that he did not have to comply with the Geneva Conventions in handling detainees in the War on Terrorism. This applied not only to members of al Qa'ida but the entire Taliban, because, they argued, Afghanistan was a "failed state".

Despite opposition from the U.S. State Department, which warned against ignoring the Geneva Conventions, the Bush administration thenceforth began holding such individuals captured in Afghanistan under the military order and not under the usual conditions of Prisoners of War. For those U.S. citizens detained under the military order, US officials, such as Vice President [censored] Cheney, argue that the urgency of the post-9/11 environment called for such tactics in administration's war against terrorism.

Most of the individuals, detained by the U.S. military on the orders of the U.S. administration were initially captured in Afghanistan. The foreign detainees are held in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp established for the purpose at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba. Guantanamo was chosen because although it is under the de facto control of the United States administration, it is not a sovereign territory of the United States and a previous Supreme Court ruling Johnson v. Eisentrager in 1950 had ruled that U.S. courts had no jurisdiction over enemy aliens held outside the USA.

In Rasul v. Bush Supreme Court ruled that "the US Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Naval Base, which the United States occupies under a lease and treaty recognizing Cuba's ultimate sovereignty, but giving this country complete jurisdiction and control for so long as it does not abandon the leased areas."and that as the U.S. had complete jurisdiction the U.S. court system has the authority to decide whether foreign nationals (non-U.S. citizens) held in Guantanamo Bay were rightfully imprisoned. This ruling largely overturned the judicial advantage for the U.S. administration of using the Naval Base, that Johnson v. Eisentrager seemed to have conferred.

Legal challenges

There have been a number of legal challenges made on behalf of the detainees held in Guantánamo Bay and in other places. These include:

* On July 30, 2002 The Washington D.C. District Court ruled that it did not have jurisdiction because Guantánamo Bay is not a sovereign territory of the United States. This decision was appealed to the D.C. Circuit Court which upheld the decision. The case was appealed to the United States Supreme Court on September 2, 2003.
* On November 10, 2003, the United States Supreme Court announced that it would decide on appeals by Afghan war detainees who challenge their continued incarceration at Guantánamo Bay as being unlawful.
* On 10 January 2004, 175 members of both houses of Parliament in the UK had filed an amici curiæ brief to support the detainees' access to US jurisdiction.
* On June 28, 2004, the Supreme Court ruled in Rasul v. Bush that detainees in Guantánamo Bay could turn to U.S. courts to challenge their confinement, but can also be held without charges or trial.
* On July 7, 2004, In response to the Supreme Court ruling, the Pentagon announced that cases would be reviewed by military tribunals, in compliance with Article 5 of the Third Geneva Convention.
* On November 8, 2004, a federal court halted the proceeding of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, 34, of Yemen. Hamdan was to be the first Guantánamo detainee tried before a military commission. Judge James Robertson of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld that no competent tribunal had found that Hamdan was not a prisoner of war under the Geneva Conventions.
* By March 29, 2005, all detainees at the Guantánamo Bay facility had received hearings before Combatant Status Review Tribunals. The hearings resulted in the release of 38 detainees, and confirmed the enemy combatant status of 520 detainees . Reuters reported on June 15, 2005 only four detainees had been charged and that Joseph Margulies, one of the lawyers for the detainees said "The (reviews) are a sham,... They mock this nation's commitment to due process, and it is past time for this mockery to end".

Yaser Hamdi was captured in Afghanistan in 2001. He was taken to Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, but was transferred to jails in Virginia and South Carolina after it became known that he was a U.S. citizen. On September 23, 2004, the United States Justice Department agreed to release Hamdi to Saudi Arabia, where he is also a citizen, on the condition that he gave up his U.S. citizenship. The deal also bars Hamdi from visiting certain countries and to inform Saudi officials if he plans to leave the kingdom. He was a party to a Supreme Court decision Hamdi v. Rumsfeld which issued a decision on June 28, 2004, repudiating the U.S. government's unilateral assertion of executive authority to suspend the constitutional protections of individual liberty of a U.S. citizen. The Court recognized the power of the government to detain unlawful combatants, but ruled that detainees must have the ability to challenge their detention before an impartial judge. Though no single opinion of the Court commanded a majority, eight of the nine justices of the Court agreed that the Executive Branch does not have the power to hold indefinitely a U.S. citizen without basic due process protections enforceable through judicial review.

On May 8, 2002, José Padilla, also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir, was arrested by FBI agents at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport and held as material witness on the warrant issued in New York State about the 2001 9/11 attacks. On June 9, 2002 President Bush issued an order to Secretary Rumsfeld to detain Padilla as an "enemy combatant". The order legally justified the detention by leaning on the AUMF which authorized the President to "..use all necessary force against those nations, organizations, or persons..." and in the opinion of the administration a U.S. citizen can be an enemy combatant (This was decided by the United States Supreme Court in the case of Ex Parte Quirin). Padilla is currently being detained in Miami and is accused of supporting terrorism.

* The November 13, 2001, Military Order, mentioned above, exempts U.S. citizens from trial by military tribunals to determine if they are "unlawful combatants", which indicates that Padilla and Yaser Hamdi would end up in the civilian criminal justice system, as happened with John Walker Lindh.
* On December 18, 2003, the U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals declared that the Bush Administration lacked the authority to detain a U.S. citizen arrested on U.S. soil as an "illegal enemy combatant" without clear congressional authorization (per 18 U.S.C. § 4001(a)); it consequently ordered the government to release Padilla from military custody within thirty days. But agreed that he could be held until an appeal was heard.
* On February 20, 2004, the Supreme Court agreed to hear the government's appeal.
* The Supreme Court heard the case, Rumsfeld v. Padilla, in April 2004, but on June 28 it was thrown out on a technicality. The court declared that New York State, where the case was originally filed, was an improper venue and that the case should have been filled in South Carolina, where Padilla was being held.
* On February 28, 2005, in Spartanburg, South Carolina, U.S. District Judge Henry Floyd ordered the Bush administration to either charge Padilla or release him. He relied on the Supreme Court's ruling in the parallel enemy combatant case of Yaser Hamdi (Hamdi v. Rumsfeld), in which the majority decision declared a "state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens."
* On July 19, 2005, in Richmond, Virginia, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals began hearing the government's appeal of the lower court (the District of South Carolina, at Charleston) ruling by Henry F. Floyd, District Judge, (CA-04-2221-26AJ). Their ruling Decided: September 9, 2005 was that "the President does possess such authority pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force Joint Resolution enacted by Congress in the wake of the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001. Accordingly, the judgment of the district court is reversed."
* In Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (June 29, 2006) the US Supreme Court did not rule on the subject of unlawful combatant status but did reaffirm that the US is bound by the Geneva Conventions. Most notably it said that Common Article 3 of the Third Geneva Convention, regarding the treatment of detainees, applies to all prisoners in the War on Terror.

[Soundbear]

Thanks for that, Shadowjak.

Certainly shows what Bush and company think about the law.

[Hans]

Also should point out the lease is for the operation of a military/Naval base, and not the current use, which is a military prison that holds non military prisoners.

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huggy85</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ahem.....speedy loses. A lease does not mean ownership. </div></div>Barry keeps on saying: "He Wins" er RWGR..that is.Werner was the one who introduced him to this site!

[shadowjak]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tell me some-thing Shadowjak:did you serve in the Canadian military..and what rank..you sound like the guy on the Island who i think was running for Conservative party! </div></div>

No I am not Cameron Ross from the Island.Though I did vote for him and I would again.

I dont say much about my life/lines of work.No Facebook/My Space accounts.Icq/MSN and other chat devices are limited to people I have got to know over an extended period of time.

However I have met quite a few people from the WWW down through the years.

We should have a get together from this Forum.
Or we could meet for lunch sometime.

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shadowjak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

We should have a get together from this Forum.
Or we could meet for lunch sometime.

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Sounds good to me..When are you coming to the Sault Werner...it would be interesting to meet each and every one..who share the same attitude..I personally in ALL the yrs i've been on the Internet have only meet one person..there was a food drive on for a person..i contributed..and briefly meet the person who was collecting the goods...It would be safe to say (and my attitude reflects it) that my intent was never to meet any-one for any reason.

Barry i have talked to on the phone..and i'm sure he had his fill...LOL.

[Hans]

I met ShadowJak, nice guy.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
Barry i have talked to on the phone..and i'm sure he had his fill...LOL.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

We should all do the lunch thing, though. Maybe in the spring.

[Wrangler35]

Well Hans..ShadowJak..seems were the only ones that showed an interest at this point..so lets set a time..but e-mail me it as i'm not into letting the lurkers know?? Chitot@webtv.net subject line..Tim Hortons....

[shadowjak]

Tims is always good--Mail sent

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...
Barry i have talked to on the phone..and i'm sure he had his fill...LOL.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

We should all do the lunch thing, though. Maybe in the spring. </div></div>

Cool!

I'll buy...<span style='font-size: 8pt'>mine</span>

[Soundbear]

You ain't got the guts to show your face.

[GenX]

I've got to come to terms with the fact I have to face your gut??

What did you say??

[Soundbear]

Yup.

[GenX]

Hmmm...

[Wrangler35]

Now if you said lets have a spaghetti dinner:Speedo..would be right there with his bib in tow!

[GenX]

Do I like spaghetti?

[GenX]

Speaking of bibs, how has your drooling problem been going?

I hear you're down to three litres per day. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Speaking of bibs, how has your drooling problem been going?

I hear you're down to three litres per day. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

I hear your a pich shy of a quart!

[GenX]

Yes...but just a pich...

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes...but just a pich... </div></div> Hey Speedo..you proved your point..a joke is just that..right Son!

[GenX]

Right, dad! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shadowjak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g59/kittycity_2006/I_HEART_GITMO_Bumper_Sticker.jpg

Do you really think that the detainees are all a bunch of innocent civilians that have done nothing wrong???

(SACRAMENTO) – The non-profit group that supports our troops and the war against terrorism, Move America Forward (website: http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org) has launched a campaign to rally public support for the Detention Center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The “I LOVE GITMO” campaign will take to the airwaves in the form of paid commercials urging Americans to support the men and women operating the terrorist detention facility at Guantanamo Bay.

The commercials will target those individuals who have put forth false charges about the operations at the facility so that their constituents can know about their "Blame America First" antics. One example is Illinois Senator, [censored] Durbin who said GITMO and those running it had created an environment akin to the "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others."

“GITMO is a key arsenal in the fight against terrorism, and Americans must stand behind the heroic men and women of the Armed Forces who serve proudly there,” said Howard Kaloogian, Co-Chair of Move America Forward.

The campaign to support GITMO was launched on Thursday with the release of the “I LOVE GITMO” bumper sticker. Thousands of these bumper stickers have been sold in the first 24 hours they were available online at http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org

“These terrorists detained are not common criminals; they are enemy combatants in our war against terrorism. They are not entitled to all of the rights that someone arrested in this country gets. Just like we held German and Japanese prisoners of war during World War II, we have to confine enemy combatants so they stop killing Americans serving their country in Iraq and Afghanistan,” Kaloogian added.

On the website Move America Forward notes that the food served to the terrorist detainees and terrorist suspects held at GITMO is better in many cases than the food being served to our troops in the Armed Services. Congressional decree prevents the military from serving MRE’s (Meals Ready to Eat – vacuum packed sealed food bags served to U.S. troops) to detainees because it would be considered “abuse.”

Instead, in the past week the anti-American terrorists and terrorist suspects held at GITMO have been served:

*Orange Glazed Chicken
*Rice Pilaf
*Steamed Peas & Mushrooms
*Fruit Roupee

In addition, on Ramadan the terrorists held at GITMO are served lamb, dates and honey as part of their religious observance.

GITMO detainees also are provided prayer mats and prayer oils and are allowed to pray five times per day – something that even U.S. schoolchildren are forbidden from doing.

“In recent days we’ve seen certain liberal politicians have the audacity to undermine American troops by falsely accusing them of torture and misconduct, including bogus charges of desecrating the Koran” said Melanie Morgan, Co-Chair of Move America Forward.

“These shameless individuals, interesting in selling magazines or rallying their leftist political followers, are willing to denigrate the important mission being conducted by our troops in Guantanamo Bay.

“By falsely provoking anti-American sentiment overseas, these domestic enemies who have fanned the flames of a ‘Gulag at Guantanamo’ are jeopardizing the lives and well being of our servicemen and women stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said Morgan.

P.S.--You can still be an enemy combatant at 15.
And yes I am against the practice of creating/brainwashing young children to be terrorists.
I have seen actual videos of children being trained at the age of 4-quite disgusting




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What is the Canadian Governments policy about sending captured Terrorists..to Gitmo..sort like we Love Gitmo..or more like NO..we Legally will not be sending any so labelled Terorrists to Gitmo?

[Hans]

GITMO is a key arsenal in the fight against terrorism, and Americans must stand behind the heroic men and women of the Armed Forces who serve proudly there,” said Howard Kaloogian, Co-Chair of Move America Forward.

I hope he realizes you first have to put people in there to be anything at all. And since nobody is going to take a walk overthere themselves, well...

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GITMO is a key arsenal in the fight against terrorism, and Americans must stand behind the heroic men and women of the Armed Forces who serve proudly there,” said Howard Kaloogian, Co-Chair of Move America Forward.

I hope he realizes you first have to put people in there to be anything at all. And since nobody is going to take a walk overthere themselves, well...
</div></div> SpeedO..works the night shift..pssT..here he comes..