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Verotik
02-01-2007, 08:24 PM
Bush - Nazi Link Confirmed

By John Buchanan

Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette

WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.

The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury and FBI, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial baron for nearly eight months after the U.S. entered the war.

No Story?

For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.

The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

The Summer of '42

The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran in the New York Herald-Tribune on July 30, 1942. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.

"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.

The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.

Business is Business

The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland, was Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According to government documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a number of Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as many as a dozen individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped overseas gold, steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury and war bonds. The company's activities were administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born, naturalized U.S. citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as president of UBC. Roland Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush a managing director.

The Herald-Tribune article did not identify Bush or Harriman as executives of UBC, or Brown Brothers Harriman, in which they were partners, as UBC's private banker. A confidential FBI memo from that period suggested, without naming the Bush and Harriman families, that politically prominent individuals were about to come under official U.S. government scrutiny as Hitler's plunder of Europe continued unabated.

After the "Hitler's Angel" article was published Bush and Harriman made no attempts to divest themselves of the controversial Thyssen financial alliance, nor did they challenge the newspaper report that UBC was, in fact, a de facto Nazi front organization in the U.S.

Instead, the government documents show, Bush and his partners increased their subterfuge to try to conceal the true nature and ownership of their various businesses, particularly after the U.S. entered the war. The documents also disclose that Cornelis Lievense, Thyssen's personal appointee to oversee U.S. matters for his Rotterdam-based Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V., via UBC for nearly two decades, repeatedly denied to U.S. government investigators any knowledge of the ownership of the Netherlands bank or the role of Thyssen in it.

UBC's original group of business associates included George Herbert Walker, who had a relationship with the Harriman family that began in 1919. In 1922, Walker and W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin to set up the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.

The Walker-Harriman-created German industrial alliance also included partnership with another German titan who supported Hitler's rise, Friedrich Flick, who partnered with Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that forged the Nazi war machine. For his role in using slave labor and his own steel, coal and arms resources to build Hitler's war effort, Flick was convicted at the Nuremberg trials and sentenced to seven years in prison.

The Family Business

In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC.

However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client.

Seized

On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.

In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses - Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp (Vesting Order No. 259). In November, Congress seized the Nazi interests in Silesian-American Corporation, which allegedly profited from slave labor at Auschwitz via a partnership with I.G. Farben, Hitler's third major industrial patron and partner in the infrastructure of the Third Reich.

The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury and war bonds, to their foreign clients overseas as Hitler geared up for his 1939 invasion of Poland, the event that sparked World War II.

That's One Way to Put It

Following the Congressional seizures of UBC and the other four Bush-Harriman-Thyssen enterprises, The New York Times reported on December 16, 1944, in a brief story on page 25, that UBC had "received authority to change its principal place of business to 120 Broadway." The Times story did not report that UBC had been seized by the U.S. government or that the new address was the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian. The story also neglected to mention that the other UBC-related businesses had also been seized by Congress.

Still No Story?

Since then, the information has not appeared in any U.S. news coverage of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the major Bush family biographies. It was, however, covered extensively in George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. Chaitkin's father served as an attorney in the 1940s for some of the victims of the Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

The book gave a detailed, accurate accounting of the Bush family's long Nazi affiliation, but no mainstream U.S. media entity reported on or even investigated the allegations, despite careful documentation by the authors. Major booksellers declined to distribute the book, which was dismissed by Bush supporters as biased and untrue. Its authors struggled even to be reviewed in reputable newspapers. That the book was published by a Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts.

The essence of the story been posted for years on various Internet sites, including BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com, but no online media seem to have independently confirmed it.


Likewise, the mainstream media have apparently made no attempt since World War II to either verify or disprove the allegations of Nazi collaboration against the Bush family. Instead, they have attempted to dismiss or discredit such Internet sites or "unauthorized" books without any journalistic inquiry or research into their veracity.

Loyal Defenders

The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House correspondent Byron York, entitled "Annals of Bush-Hating." It begins mockingly: "Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush - indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?" York goes on to discredit the "Bush is a moron" IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi connection.

The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason magazine's Cathy Young in which she referred to "Bush-o-phobes on the Internet" who "repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family's alleged Nazi connections."

Poles Tackle the Topic

Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.

Still Not Interested

Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, The New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and Miami Herald, have repeatedly declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29. Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives.

Aftermath

After the seizures of the various businesses they oversaw with Cornelis Lievense and his German partners, the U.S. government quietly settled with Bush, Harriman and others after the war. Bush and Harriman each received $1.5 million in cash as compensation for their seized business assets.

In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate account in The Boston Globe in 2001.

John Buchanan is a journalist and investigative reporter with 33 years of experience in New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Miami. His work has appeared in more than 50 newspapers, magazines and books. He can be reached by e-mail at: jtwg@bellsouth.net.

K3lvin
02-01-2007, 10:18 PM
I only have one problem with this story. How can Dubya, himself, be a Nazi Sympathizer. He is a certifiable moron, no question, but the sins of the "grandfather" now?

Verotik
02-01-2007, 11:29 PM
meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug.

K3lvin
02-01-2007, 11:32 PM
No question noone wanted this printed in the mainstream, but even a dimwit quaker, not unlike another American I know, could see the holes in what they suggest.

GenX
02-02-2007, 05:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news???

K3lvin
02-02-2007, 09:07 PM
Cspan?

shadowjak
02-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Business transactions for profit with Nazi Germany were not illegal when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City.

The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

* Union Banking Corporation (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman). The President of UBC at that time was George Herbert Walker, Prescott Bush's father-in-law. He is the grandfather and great-grandfather of the former and current Presidents Bush.
* Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
* the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
* Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take the full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)

The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Prescott Bush was on the board of directors of UBC and held one share in the company. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry. This presupposes that Union Banking Corporation was worth $4 billion, of which almost all would have been paid to the Harrimans. Critics have addressed this claim with skepticism.

Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Auschwitz, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed. Allegations that Prescott Bush profited from slave labor or the Auschwitz concentration camp remain unsubstantiated.

There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated."The rumors began with extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run and were renewed during his 1988 run.

The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush only as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and imprisoned him. Reportedly, however, there has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers, apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush himself was known as "Hitler's Angel". Bloggers from the United States recently have tried to go so far as to infer that George H. W. Bush was diverted to the War in the Pacific to fight the Japanese because of the close family ties to Nazi Germany. Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averell Harriman to be prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was dismissed.

Soundbear
02-03-2007, 11:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

I am just amazed at what Speed will deny, instead of just saying "So what"?

K3lvin
02-03-2007, 12:30 PM
Even the democrats could care less. That's not denial, it's "so what".

Wrangler35
02-05-2008, 07:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div> OLE Prescot..nothing like blood money..those bushes!

GenX
02-06-2008, 06:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

I am just amazed at Speedy </div></div>

Ahhhh /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

Wrangler35
02-11-2008, 03:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>


NO CONspiracy here ParroT:just facts,now you as pr usual will highjack this thread and leave a trail of verbal diahrea for ALL to witness..

GenX
02-11-2008, 05:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a trail of verbal diahrea </div></div>

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/high5.gif

Wrangler35
02-12-2008, 06:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a trail of verbal diahrea </div></div>

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/high5.gif </div></div> ..i beg your Professorship...but you have a bad case of POOOpAGanda...

Striker
02-12-2008, 06:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

They do my friend...........I think it had something to do with "Weapons of Mass Destruction".......but I could be wrong /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif

Wrangler35
02-12-2008, 06:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: East</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

They do my friend...........I think it had something to do with "Weapons of Mass Destruction".......but I could be wrong /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif </div></div>

Lets see RWGR..self destruck....LOL...Good ONE!

Soundbear
02-13-2008, 08:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

I am just amazed at Speedy </div></div>

Ahhhh /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif </div></div>

Here we go, clear proof of the lengths to which Speedy will go to "win". This would constitute a lie, would it not, Parrot??

Or a clear example of selective reading.

Which is it Speedy??

GenX
02-13-2008, 03:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: East</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

They do my friend...........I think it had something to do with "Weapons of Mass Destruction".......but I could be wrong /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif </div></div>

It's been proven the WMD were moved into Syria.

NEXT!!

GenX
02-13-2008, 03:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

I am just amazed at Speedy </div></div>

Ahhhh /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif </div></div>

Here we go, clear proof of the lengths to which Speedy will go to "win". This would constitute a lie, would it not, Parrot??

Or a clear example of selective reading.

Which is it Speedy?? </div></div>

First of all, please notice the new and improved screen name

Second, ummm, what are you talking about?

Wrangler35
02-13-2008, 05:02 PM
ShadowJak...i'm wondering if YOU could illustrate from your article..what are the main points that YOU see as being radically different than the article i submitted.I have read the article you submitted.

Whats really odd: is that this Prescot Story has remained buried...virtually NO main stream exposure.Some can say there is NO story here..

I would like to know whether or NOT this story urks your moral sensitivity,or it's just that "A Story?

Soundbear
02-13-2008, 05:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

I am just amazed at Speedy </div></div>

Ahhhh /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif </div></div>

A deliberate misquote, an obvious change by Speedy, or POGW, if that's his new name, is a lie.

GenX
02-13-2008, 06:23 PM
Are you drunk?

You make no sense.

Wrangler35
02-13-2008, 06:40 PM
Is this a comedy show:you seem to be the main star.."SpeedO..lights action.I mean your the Darling of soonet.ca.

GenX
02-13-2008, 07:14 PM
Ain't that the truth!

Soundbear
02-13-2008, 07:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you drunk?

You make no sense. </div></div>

Can't you read??

You lied.

Simple.

Striker
02-14-2008, 05:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: East</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

They do my friend...........I think it had something to do with "Weapons of Mass Destruction".......but I could be wrong /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif </div></div>

It's been proven the WMD were moved into Syria.

NEXT!! </div></div>

A panicked response at best......thanks for the laugh /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

Hans
02-14-2008, 06:18 PM
Syria, I thought it was Iran??

Striker
02-14-2008, 09:10 PM
What more can be said (http://www.designforfreedom.com/fp/projects/womd/index.html)


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: East</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: verotik667</div><div class="ubbcode-body">meh it was more of a history thing, i always am amazed at what makes it into the press and what gets kept under the rug. </div></div>

Yeah, I mean, like why don't crazy, googly-eyed conspiracy theories make the nightly news??? </div></div>

They do my friend...........I think it had something to do with "Weapons of Mass Destruction".......but I could be wrong /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif </div></div>

It's been proven the WMD were moved into Syria.

NEXT!! </div></div>

GenX
02-17-2008, 11:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you drunk?

You make no sense. </div></div>

Can't you read??

You lied.

Simple. </div></div>

Showed me, Slugger.

I don't know what you are talking about.

Soundbear
02-17-2008, 05:10 PM
That figures.

Tell us how to came to make that misquote big boy.

Only thing that amazes me is your chutzpah.

GenX
02-18-2008, 12:05 PM
Does one laugh or cringe at that fact you call someone "big boy"?

I've seen pictures, Barry. Seems to me you've never had a problem asking for third and fourth helpings.

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Wrangler35
02-18-2008, 12:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does one laugh or cringe at that fact you call someone "big boy"?

I've seen pictures, Barry. Seems to me you've never had a problem asking for third and fourth helpings.

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>Some how one gets a picture of a clown..when one muses about you..

The Berean
02-18-2008, 10:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you drunk?

You make no sense. </div></div>

Can't you read??

You lied.

Simple. </div></div>

Showed me, Slugger.

I don't know what you are talking about. </div></div>

Take your pick speedo.
Youre deaf dumb blind or stupid.
Or the liar youve been called. You changed the text when you quoted Barry.

Soundbear
02-23-2008, 11:29 AM
Bumpity boo, Speedy, you miss something???

Hey Speedo, straighten out your lies first.

GenX
02-23-2008, 01:52 PM
Slugger, just because you hear voices in your head doesn't mean we can hear them to,

You'll have to show me this terrible lie I committed; because to be honest, I have no clue what you are referring to.

Soundbear
02-23-2008, 03:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slugger, just because you hear voices in your head doesn't mean we can hear them to,

You'll have to show me this terrible lie I committed; because to be honest, I have no clue what you are referring to. </div></div>

I said: "I am just amazed at what Speed will deny,.."

You changed the quote to read: "I am just amazed at Speedy"

Why?

GenX
02-23-2008, 03:05 PM
Because it is apparent to all you are amazed with me.

Soundbear
02-23-2008, 03:07 PM
No it's because you will stoop to a lie to "win"

Getting more pathetic by the minute.

GenX
02-23-2008, 03:09 PM
It wasn't a lie, in any sense of the word, Slugger.

You are amazed by me, because you obsess over me.

You claimed to have put me on 'ignore', yet couldn't do it for long.

Now why is that???





I win! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Soundbear
02-23-2008, 03:11 PM
Speedy, any way to "win". Congratulations.

GenX
02-23-2008, 03:11 PM
I don't have to even try /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Soundbear
02-23-2008, 08:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Proof of Global Warming</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It wasn't a lie, in any sense of the word, Slugger.

You are amazed by me, because you obsess over me.

You claimed to have put me on 'ignore', yet couldn't do it for long.

Now why is that???


I lose! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

What's good for the goose, is that what you are saying??

Wrangler35
02-23-2008, 10:49 PM
Barry: what exactly are you referring to..from what i gather..SpeedO the Arrogant Parrot..said some-thing..then later eddited..and changed the wording..or some thing to that???

I'm sure most posters on this topic would like to know your version of events..

shadowjak
02-24-2008, 09:34 AM
Annnnyyywayyyyy-

The Anti-Defamation League in the US is supportive of Prescott Bush and the Bush family. In a statement last year they said that "rumours about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush ... have circulated widely through the internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated ... Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathiser."

Soundbear
02-24-2008, 01:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry: what exactly are you referring to..from what i gather..SpeedO the Arrogant Parrot..said some-thing..then later eddited..and changed the wording..or some thing to that???

I'm sure most posters on this topic would like to know your version of events.. </div></div>

It's simple.

I said: "I am just amazed at what Speed will deny,.."

Speedy changed wording INSIDE THE QUOTE to read: "I am just amazed at Speedy"

It's all part of his pathological need to make himself feel big.

Huggy85
02-24-2008, 01:31 PM
His comfort with the practice of changing the text within someone else's post as a quote merely shows how desperate he is to boost his own ego. Pathetic......

GenX
02-24-2008, 01:35 PM
Dapper Diapered One, such anger!!

Wrangler35
02-24-2008, 06:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry: what exactly are you referring to..from what i gather..SpeedO the Arrogant Parrot..said some-thing..then later eddited..and changed the wording..or some thing to that???

I'm sure most posters on this topic would like to know your version of events.. </div></div>

It's simple.

I said: "I am just amazed at what Speed will deny,.."

Speedy changed wording INSIDE THE QUOTE to read: "I am just amazed at Speedy"

It's all part of his pathological need to make himself feel big.

</div></div>

Thats NOT the first time...i'm NOT impressed with his Quote supposedly made by You Barry.At NO point have i seen you make that statement about Hitler. He likes to twist things to suit his Fancy...

Remember Sarcasim is a form of anger,in which he likes to assign to certain usernames..when they make a remark that hes NOT in agreement thereof.

Thanks for pointing out the deceit Barry!

GenX
02-24-2008, 07:38 PM
Barry will admit he made the Hitler comment, Cybie.

Wrangler35
02-24-2008, 08:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry will admit he made the Hitler comment, Cybie. </div></div> The difference will be..you have a habit of condencing paragraphs.

GenX
02-24-2008, 08:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry will admit he made the Hitler comment, Cybie. </div></div> The difference will be..you have a habit of condencing paragraphs. </div></div>

It's all in the name of saving bandwidth.

Wrangler35
02-24-2008, 08:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry will admit he made the Hitler comment, Cybie. </div></div> The difference will be..you have a habit of condencing paragraphs. </div></div>

It's all in the name of saving bandwidth. </div></div>

Ok..so do tell..what does RWGR..actualy..Really..mean to you,since your you want to save bandwidth..please do tell..no one is watching!

GenX
02-24-2008, 09:05 PM
RWGR represents all that is good with the Internet

Soundbear
02-25-2008, 01:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry will admit he made the Hitler comment, Cybie. </div></div>

Was Hitler intelligent??

Well, that or the biggest country in the world is so incompetent that it took them four years to put him down.

Wrangler35
02-25-2008, 03:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry will admit he made the Hitler comment, Cybie. </div></div>

Was Hitler intelligent??

Well, that or the biggest country in the world is so incompetent that it took them four years to put him down. </div></div>

Who in their right mind would say Hitler was Intelligent..when you would be SLAMMED for-ever..especially on this board.....and quoted as saying so..by the less than ingenious.

GenX
02-25-2008, 04:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry will admit he made the Hitler comment, Cybie. </div></div>

Was Hitler intelligent??

Well, that or the biggest country in the world is so incompetent that it took them four years to put him down. </div></div>

That makes no sense whatsoever.

GenX
02-25-2008, 04:37 PM
Barry, will you admit to Cybie you called Hitler "intelligent"?

Striker
02-25-2008, 05:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No it's because you will stoop to a lie to "win"

Getting more pathetic by the minute. </div></div>



And you would expect any different from an American?

Soundbear
02-25-2008, 06:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry, will you admit to Cybie you called Hitler "intelligent"? </div></div>

The INSTANT you understand what I said above /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Soundbear
02-25-2008, 06:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barry, will you admit to Cybie you called Hitler "intelligent"? </div></div>

I categorically deny that I said Hitler was intelligent. It never happened. Ever. Not once. Impossible. No way. Not a chance. Nope. Never went there.

I said he was brilliant.

I really can't recall ANY tyrant living or dead who was stupid. Crazy maybe, but not stupid.

Wrangler35
04-12-2008, 02:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shadowjak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Business transactions for profit with Nazi Germany were not illegal when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City.

The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

* Union Banking Corporation (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman). The President of UBC at that time was George Herbert Walker, Prescott Bush's father-in-law. He is the grandfather and great-grandfather of the former and current Presidents Bush.
* Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
* the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
* Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take the full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the business.)

The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then returned afterward. UBC was dissolved in 1951. Prescott Bush was on the board of directors of UBC and held one share in the company. For it, he was reimbursed $1,500,000. These assets were later used to launch Bush family investments in the Texas energy industry. This presupposes that Union Banking Corporation was worth $4 billion, of which almost all would have been paid to the Harrimans. Critics have addressed this claim with skepticism.

Toby Rogers has claimed that Bush's connections to Silesian businesses (with Thyssen and Flick) make him complicit with the mining operations in Poland which used slave labor out of Auschwitz, where the Auschwitz concentration camp was later constructed. Allegations that Prescott Bush profited from slave labor or the Auschwitz concentration camp remain unsubstantiated.

There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations with the Nazi party. The Anti-Defamation League has stated, "Rumors about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated."The rumors began with extreme right-wing attacks on George H.W. Bush during his 1980 presidential run and were renewed during his 1988 run.

The New York Herald-Tribune referred to the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, as "Hitler's Angel" and mentioned Bush only as an employee of the investment banking firm Thyssen used in the USA. The label was ironic, since by the time the Tribune article appeared, Hitler had turned on Thyssen and imprisoned him. Reportedly, however, there has been a determined effort by Canadian bloggers, apparently connected with Lyndon LaRouche, to circulate reports that Bush himself was known as "Hitler's Angel". Bloggers from the United States recently have tried to go so far as to infer that George H. W. Bush was diverted to the War in the Pacific to fight the Japanese because of the close family ties to Nazi Germany. Some records in the National Archives, including the Harriman papers, document the continued relationship of Brown Brothers Harriman with Thyssen and some of his German investments up until his 1951 death.Investigator John Loftus has said, "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averell Harriman to be prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany." Two former slave laborers from Poland have filed suit in London against the government of the United States and the heirs of Prescott Bush in the amount of $40 billion. A class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. in 2001 was
dismissed. </div></div>

Great read!