What the Heck!!!

[GRUMPY]

Saw something tonight that makes me want to scream every time I see it! Went to the LCBO tonight at Churchill, outside was a little girl selling candy all by herself ,I don't think she was even 10. No adults that I could see around just her. Who in their right mind would let their kid do this??? The world is full of crazies why tempt it?

[Stickler]

Wow....either it was a set-up by the cops to maybe catch a rapist or just really dumb parents. I would bet on both circumstances.

[GRUMPY]

Cops in this town aren't that smart so likely it's the later.

[AngelOnHigh]

maybe there wasnt enough cars on the road for her to play in the street.

[GRUMPY]

ha,good one

[Barney Rubble]

girls cant play street hockey!


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[t1000]

Naa, I think she got bumped out of the buffet line by Floyd,lol

[heintzman]

charity and gaming law,,, enough said!

[geogett]

interesting

maybe they were just outside waiting in a car or ran to the drugstore?

[teddybear84]

Even if the parents did leave. Why would they leave her alone like that. I mean even sitting in a car near by will still give someone the opertunity (sp) to take her. It only takes a second. By the time you get out of your car someone could have your child and disapear like nothing. I never leave my children out of my sight and if they are selling something I am right there with them. I wouldn't take that big of a chance. I guess I am an over protective mother but heck I would rather be safe than sorry.

[MaO3]

I've seen those kids at the Churchill plaza lately. There was a child about 8 at the A&P last week too. All alone.
Then again at K-mart plaza too. Way too young to be out there alone.

I'm an over protective mother too Teddybear...even now that they are teens, I'm over protective. It's a good thing...to instill a normal level of caution and awareness into our kids, because we can't always be there.
Fundraising has become very difficult with all of the crazy laws that there are now..but a little girl standing alone outside of the liquor store is just going too far. If they feel that they have to go to that extreme, then at least have them go in groups of 2 or 3...safety in numbers, as they say. Although, personally I would never allow it, without an adult present and visible to people walking by.
I don't know the circumstances, but from what I've seen, the chocolate bar sales are usually for various school activities. You would think that the people running them would know better than to have fundraising events that required children going door to door and/or standing alone in places that could pose a risk to them.
I know it's difficult, but with a little imagination, there are ways to fundraise without putting kids in danger. I know from experience, I have 2 kids that are a part of a great youth organization, and they fundraise regularly. They do it mostly as a group, and they have lots of fun. They actually look forward to the fundraising events, because they don't have to stand like beggars (sorry if it seems like an extreme analogy) and ask for handouts. If that was the only way for them to make money, then you can bet, mine would not be a part of it.

[GRUMPY]

As far as I'm concerned if a kid is going to be selling things like this at least one of the parents HAS to be there and there means within feet.

[blueeyedgirl]

The other day hubby and I pulled up to Macs and some car pulled up beside us. I got out and went into the store and noticed the guy come in behind me. The store was quite busy. As i came back outside i noticed that the guy left a baby girl at least 7-8 months old alone in the car. The car was still running at that. So we sat there until he came back out to make sure that she was ok. He didn't even lock his doors.

Now who in there right mind would leave their child alone in a running car for one second. Never something i would do with my child as it only takes that one second for some idiot to steal it with your child in there. Is it really work the extra second to take your child in with you?

Now back to the original topic. Again these children are too young to be left alone to handle cash. All it takes is one greedy person to harm that child to get the money that she has collected.

[Kittie]

With the kids @ the LCBO, Pinos, A&P, and those places.. Its with "Kollege Kids" or something, I remember I did it a couple years back.. It was a different name back then, but. It's still the same guy (Frank)running it. He encourages you to save half of all your earnings, to put towards your College Education.. It basically just helps kids get on the right track with money.. And yeah, usually they have walkie talkies. I know I did.. The guy, just drops them off, and goes checks on the other kids and stuff.. its def. not the safest.. but, the parent knows what they are getting into.

[Camel-Toe-Annie]

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THE-WAY-I-SEE-IT-IS-ALL-CHILDREN-SHOULD-LEARN-HOW-TO-MAKE-OR-HAVE-AN-OPPORTUNITY-TO-MAKE-AN-HONEST-DOLLAR-INSTEAD-OF-BECOMING-ONE-OF-THE-THIEVES-THAT-WILL-BREAK-INTO-UR-GARAGE/CAR/OR-HOUSE/IN-THE-FUTURE

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JUST-KEEP-ON-COMPLAINING-SO-THEY-STOP-THIS-PROGRAM-AND-IT-WILL-BE-ONE-LESS-THING-FOR-OUR-YOUTH

[Kittie]

I don't think they we're complaining about the actual money or anything, its just. It looks different to them. :S If I didn't know what they were doing I would be saying the same thing.

And, I think it was more of, OMG that kid is gonna get kidnapped. NOT, the money or anything like that...

[GRUMPY]

I personally don't give a tinkers dam what the kid was trying to get money for,I just don't want to see her added to the statics. There are more than enough kids out there getting victimized.

[GRUMPY]

I personally don't give a tinkers dam what the kid was trying to get money for,I just don't want to see her added to the statics. There are more than enough kids out there getting victimized.This thread has nothing to do about kids trying to make money its about their safety.

[tippikitty]

Let me guess....you personally don't give a tinkers dam what the kid was trying to get money for? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

[Camel-Toe-Annie]

WELL-I-KNOW-WHAT-U-MEAN-KITTIE-BUT-HOW-MANY-9---12YRS-DO-U-SEE-RUNNING-AROUND-GETTING-IN-TROUBLE-FOR-EXAMPLE-I-WAS-AT-MACS-THE-OTHERDAY-AND-THE-CLERK-WAS-HAVING-A-HARD-TIME-KEEPING-9YR-OLDS-AWAY-FROM-THE-CIGGARETTE-BUT-CAN-OUTSIDE-----ALL-I-EVER-SEE-LATELY-IS-YOUNG-CHILDREN-WITH-NOTHING-TO-DO--SO-THEY-ARE-BOUND-TO-GET-IN-TROUBLE-WITH-NOTHING-TO-OCCUPY-THEM

[Kittie]

Oh, I know. I agree with you.

Just the way that who ever is running it, it should be run a little bit better!

[Little B]

Hope she's out there again today, I can use a few bucks and some free chocolate bars!

[Camel-Toe-Annie]

WELL-I-THINK-ITS-MENT-TO-GIVE-THEM-A-BIT-OF-INDEPENDANCE-AND-KIDS-THAT-AGE-RUN-AROUND-THE-MALL-ANYWAYS-AND-YOUNGER-UNSUPERVISED

[AngelOnHigh]

geez... why are you yelling all the time.

[tired-n-cranky]

OMG ENOUGH WITH THE CAPS LOCK KEY AND THE HYPHEN BETWEEN EVERY WORD!!!!! UNDERSTAND-ME-CHODA-OF-THE-GODS????

[Camel-Toe-Annie]

sry-i-have-my-comp-on-a-42-plasma-and-im-waiting-for-a-dvi-cable-so-its-not-so-blurry-its-hard-to-read-the-small-text-trhat-im-writing----lol-----and-im-gonna-hook-up-my-new-keybord-no-h-y-p-h-e-n-s

[tired-n-cranky]

LOL. Time to increase font size maybe? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Camel-Toe-Annie]

There-my new one works just got to get used to the space bar again

[BooBooMyKy]

My kid work for this program as well. It's called Kollege Kids. Its the Soo first Youth Employment Program, for kids 10-15 years of age. Its just something else for our kids to do instead of delevering newspapers. I even had the group check into by the city police and it is a safe and good program for our kids. Maybe you guys should listen to the kids why they ask you if you want to buy a chocolate bars to help support the youth employment program, and if you actually bought a bar and read the package it tells you all about the Kollege Kids program right on the lable

[MaO3]

My concern isn't what they are doing but that they are out there approaching adults on thier own. I personally don't like the Liquour store idea, I guess it bothers me less if they are at the Grocery store but the Liqour store is not a place for kids.
In my opinion.

[Tutones]

Personally I think my child's time would be better spent at home doing homework or partaking in other educational programs to earn their way to college. I can't see that letting a child stay out that late at the age of 10 selling chocolate bars is going to get them into college. I see far too many kids in my classroom that are too tired to pay attention during the school day and as a result don't get the grades they are capable of.

At that age it is the parents responsibility to save for their childs education and the childs responsibility to become educated enough to be eligible for college admission. I see high school kids that can't handle a part time job and school at the same time. Why would you want to encourage that stress/situation for a 10 year old?

I'm with you on that one Tutones...all the way. Kids need to be focusing on school, and learning. That will build their self esteem quicker than coming home with a pocket full of change from approaching strangers to sell chocolate bars. Fundraising for an organization is one thing...building for college is mom and dad's responsibility. Mine both wanted to start work, but I discouraged it until they were at least 15.
Not only for the school reasons that you mentioned. I started making my own money when I was 11, and I've had a job or two ever since then. Now I'm looking at at least 18 more years in the work force and frankly...I'm tired. I started too early...we put in enough years, long hard years of earning, accumulating, and working. Too many times, you hear people of my age and older, saying...Well I did it, and it didn't hurt me...you know what? The old way is not always the best way. It's a different world now, and we don't have to put our kids out as child labor. Let's let them be kids for as long as they can. They can still learn to be responsible, productive people without having to start at age nine or 10.

[A*lil*Loopy]

I've had a child in at work selling chocolate bars through that program and parents were with him. As a parent I could never allow my child to be out at that age in front of LCBO, just not that safe by themselves. Not all people are good hearted.

What ticks me off is that I occasionally have two girls come in selling things. They wear dresses as their parents don't permit them to wear pants, and they are always alone. Their parents have never been with them and they've been door to door selling things for years. I sometimes buy because I feel bad for them, they seem so naive and sheltered, almost easy prey for sick people.
Sick parents! (don't bash me, I know who and what I'm talking about on this one)

[metal_gods]

These young children should be roll models for all the lazy bums on welfare that don't even want to get off their butts and go get a job.

[Krysta]

Personally I dont believe in leaving young nieve children unattended selling things, Their parents should be right there with them trying to raise money for their cause and backing them up.
Now the whole kids in the street thing don't get me started on that one.
I have neighbours who allow their children all under 12 or 13 I do believe play in the street.
They don't move for traffic at all and with that have a younger 2 1/2- 3 year old sibling right there with them, normally riding a bike with no helmet.
Never do I see parents out there with him and personally if the older ones don't know how to watch and move for traffic why are they left in charge of a baby?
It discusses me the lack of parental skills many have but yet if something happens they are the first to say poor me I didn't know.
Oh and added it is now 8:30 pm and dark out and they are still out there baby and all.

Your children are precious gifts why take a chance because you want to be lazy?

Sorry needed to vent.

[GRUMPY]

I don't care if they are naive or street smart there should be an adult with them!

[Macs II]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPPLES RULE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally I dont believe in leaving young nieve children unattended selling things, Their parents should be right there with them trying to raise money for their cause and backing them up.
Now the whole kids in the street thing don't get me started on that one.
I have neighbours who allow their children all under 12 or 13 I do believe play in the street.
They don't move for traffic at all and with that have a younger 2 1/2- 3 year old sibling right there with them, normally riding a bike with no helmet.
Never do I see parents out there with him and personally if the older ones don't know how to watch and move for traffic why are they left in charge of a baby?
It discusses me the lack of parental skills many have but yet if something happens they are the first to say poor me I didn't know.
Oh and added it is now 8:30 pm and dark out and they are still out there baby and all.

Your children are precious gifts why take a chance because you want to be lazy?

Sorry needed to vent. </div></div>


Thats right but some parents here feel kids should be playing on the road and try to tell them their wrong and they attack you like group of hyenas.

[GRUMPY]

Tell you what Max why don't you go play in the road.

[Krysta]

thats was mean why so hostile?

[Madmax]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPPLES RULE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats was mean why so hostile?</div></div>

Soonet should ban him for being rude and/or hostile, what do you think?

[metal_gods]

grumpy has a good point though

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *%ChillyCold%*</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPPLES RULE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats was mean why so hostile?</div></div>

Soonet should ban him for being rude and/or hostile, what do you think? </div></div>

Why? They put up with all your bs under all your different names.

[Madmax]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *%ChillyCold%*</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPPLES RULE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats was mean why so hostile?</div></div>

Soonet should ban him for being rude and/or hostile, what do you think? </div></div>

Why? They put up with all your bs under all your different names.</div></div>

Huh?

[Madmax]

Hey Macs grumpy is crazy about you.

[§ienna]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: POPPLES RULE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats was mean why so hostile? </div></div>

Yes it was mean, I'm not sure why people attack others simply because they don't share their opinion. Hmmmmmmmm.

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *%ChillyCold%*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Macs grumpy is crazy about you. </div></div>

talking to yourself again?

[Madmax]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: *%ChillyCold%*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Macs grumpy is crazy about you. </div></div>

talking to yourself again?</div></div>

Huh? you must be crazy about Macs, obsessed with MadMax and nuts about me ChillyCold?

[Huggy85]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney Rubble</div><div class="ubbcode-body">girls cant play street hockey!


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they can if they're pregnant

[lucky seven]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Saw something tonight that makes me want to scream every time I see it! Went to the LCBO tonight at Churchill, outside was a little girl selling candy all by herself ,I don't think she was even 10. No adults that I could see around just her. Who in their right mind would let their kid do this??? The world is full of crazies why tempt it? </div></div>

The same kind of parent that thinks that it is perfectly fine for their children to play in the streets. After all, nothing will happen to your kids, right???

[Howie]

Unless there are signs to SLOW down for candy!

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Huggy85</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney Rubble</div><div class="ubbcode-body">girls cant play street hockey!


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they can if they're pregnant </div></div>

Pregnant or not they'd still beat the Leafs.

[Barney Rubble]

maybe she wasnt nine?
maybe she was a midget?

i saw a midget last week in giant tiger the other day.

ooooppps...never thought of that? midget at the giant hmmm?

anyways, she was real cute....just wanted to pick her up & take her home.

bet i couldve gotten half off!

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[Floyd]

I've been asked by the same kid (boy) about 11 years old....outside Pino's, outside the beer store, outside A&P...to buy a chocolate bar. 4 times in one day by the same kid. I finally asked him who he's selling them for. He mumbled something! The kids get a cut for whatever they sell.

[Floyd]

I might let my kid do this sort of thing if I was checking on him constantly but this kid moves all over.

On the other hand.........we can't be scared to let our kids out. Maybe the kid's parents have a handle on what's going on. Maybe they're close by. They might even be closer than some parents are when their kids are at, say, Cub Scouts.....or....hockey..........hmmmm

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Floyd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been asked by the same kid (boy) about 11 years old....outside Pino's, outside the beer store, outside A&P...to buy a chocolate bar. 4 times in one day by the same kid. I finally asked him who he's selling them for. He mumbled something! The kids get a cut for whatever they sell. </div></div>

Must be part of their training, when ever they talk they mumble. I'm not sure who she was selling for. I know for a while you couldn't go anywhere with out those leaches collecting for Child Find or whatever it's name was. I felt sorry for the kids who actually thought that they were doing good.

[Babzz]

I also saw a little girl at the steelback center a few weeks ago selling chocolate bars.. proably about 10 or 11 years old. She was out there about 9 oclock. I let her use my cell phone to call her parents to come and get her. Made me very nervous to see this kid out there. I stayed out there til the dad showed up to bring her home.

[GRUMPY]

THIS IS my whole point ! Now what would/could have happened if you weren't a good hearted person but one of these animals we read about in the papers? The kid would become a statistic and the parents would be blubbering about "How could this have happened?"

[Camel-Toe-Annie]

Grumpy it could happen anywhere and most of the time when kids are abducted it happens with the parents close by mostly at public parks the stats show 92% because these sickos pray on parks and schools because there are two few guardians to watch so many children and they dont wanna be seen, and quite a few kids are left alone to run around at parks its the same thing but chances are if there sickos out there thats where they are

[GRUMPY]

Why tempt it.

[scooterbike]

parents to those kids who are in this program, what percentage of the profits do your children receive?

honestly to me, it seems like some kind of get rich quick scheme, where you get children to do your bidding, selling cheap chocolate to the public giving a speech about a "youth employment program"

Those words scare me..... these kids are going to remember selling chocolate, while their friends are out riding their bikes and playing, youth is truly lost.


** EDIT **

Sorry for bringing this back from the dead, but there is not that much info on "Kollege Kids"

[NoName]

It's not so bad for the kids...It gives them something to put on a job application or resume when they are old enough to get a real job...they have an advantage over those who don't work.

[GRUMPY]

I told a kid the other day that I'd buy all his candies if he could explain to me how me buying a bar would help with youth employment in the Soo. Needless to say all I got was a thousand yard stare.

[NoName]

Most kids that age don't understand that what they do now affects their future.