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houlegan
01-07-2009, 11:30 AM
As reported on Sootoday ... today...

Sault Ste. Marie Police Service is announcing at this hour the arrests of two local men and one from Sudbury on charges related to a child pornography investigation.

Ronald Byron Vye, 62 of 606 McNabb Street, Apartment 1 and Guy Russell Renault, 53, of 311 Maretta Street in Sault Ste. Marie have been charged with possession of child pornography and making child pornography available.

Also charged with the same offences is Brian Gringel, 54, of Sudbury.

Sophie's_Mommy
01-07-2009, 11:32 AM
omfg, what the hell is the matter with these people and i know one of the men mentioned, hes not a friend hes a uncle of a friend,and i haven t seen him in years but that is just sick i think these sickos should be shot..

MaO3
01-07-2009, 11:35 AM
All I can say is GROSS!!!!

I'm sorry but I have no understanding of how a child can be arrousing to these sicko's.

I hope that they throw the book at them.
I just read in the Sault Star of another "sicko" that got 75 days in jail and three years probation for possesion of Child porn. Not nearly enough!!!

Disgusting!

hp2
01-07-2009, 11:38 AM
They need to make laws stricter and penalty's worse as they do in forgin country's for this crap

someguy
01-07-2009, 11:40 AM
While it is quite disturbing and sickening, compared to other communites our crime rate here is quite low.

It's the start of the year and the police have to make it look like they are actually doing something to make us all feel protected.

Sophie's_Mommy
01-07-2009, 11:44 AM
a child molester gets maybe 6 months in jail, someone who breaks into a person house gets 2 years less a day, does that make any sense? they need to change the law and give these sickos life in jail, just like murder, even though murder u are out in less then 20 years but still lie without parole..or let the family go after these people and deal with them themselves..lol.

EyelashExtensions
01-07-2009, 11:47 AM
I agree Shawns girl....one man was sentenced to 90 days weekends not to long ago. If he went in the jail Friday night at 7pm and was out on Monday at 7am that would count as 4 days. It's absolutely beyond belief that the laws are so lenient when it comes to this.

SWRKR 01
01-07-2009, 11:51 AM
I think it is important though that we remember these guys have been charged but not found guilty of these offences at this time. I, for one, do not know the circumstances or the people involved but I would be cautious about condemming people when at this time noone knows the outcome of the court process. I wonder about the effectiveness of posting people's names when they have not been formally found guilty of any offence. It does an awful lot to their families and friends. You seldom see a retraction if someone is found innocent.

I guess you can argue this either way though.

Peety
01-07-2009, 11:54 AM
Any one who thinks child porn is a turn on is a sicko..
Come on,,They have to be a little short on brains.
Throw them in jail.....What is the next step ? Child molester

Peety
01-07-2009, 11:55 AM
I think it is important though that we remember these guys have been charged but not found guilty of these offences at this time. I, for one, do not know the circumstances or the people involved but I would be cautious about condemming people when at this time noone knows the outcome of the court process. I wonder about the effectiveness of posting people's names when they have not been formally found guilty of any offence. It does an awful lot to their families and friends. You seldom see a retraction if someone is found innocent.

I guess you can argue this either way though.

Well You are right!! Why would they have child porn in the first place?
I don't...

someguy
01-07-2009, 12:00 PM
Well You are right!! Why would they have child porn in the first place?
I don't...


I am not defending anyone here. But lets say I have my pc in my home and someone else is using it like my kids or a friend who comes over. They download this kiddie porn and then I get nailed for it. THis may be the situation in some cases. Again not trying to defend anyone as I am sickened by anyone who is into kiddie porn.

EyelashExtensions
01-07-2009, 12:01 PM
I think it is important though that we remember these guys have been charged but not found guilty of these offences at this time. I, for one, do not know the circumstances or the people involved but I would be cautious about condemming people when at this time noone knows the outcome of the court process. I wonder about the effectiveness of posting people's names when they have not been formally found guilty of any offence. It does an awful lot to their families and friends. You seldom see a retraction if someone is found innocent.

I guess you can argue this either way though.


Well when found in possession of child pornography it's a little hard to deny that there was no wrong doing. For the most part it's usually on your computer because you put it there. I think for the most part it is a warning to the general public, also it might help the police investigation if someone came forward with more incriminating information. I for one want to know if someone is being charged with a crime against a child. A parent can never be to cautious.

Peety
01-07-2009, 12:02 PM
I am not defending anyone here. But lets say I have my pc in my home and someone else is using it like my kids or a friend who comes over. They download this kiddie porn and then I get nailed for it. THis may be the situation in some cases. Again not trying to defend anyone as I am sickened by anyone who is into kiddie porn.

I see what you mean,,
In my house no one better be downloading child porn!
That is nasty!!!

someguy
01-07-2009, 12:04 PM
I see what you mean,,
In my house no one better be downloading child porn!
That is nasty!!!

Mine either I check all the time what my kids are doing and don't normally let anyone use my pc's that does not live here.

Peety
01-07-2009, 12:06 PM
From what I am reading its always old men!!
Who are molesters and in trouble for that stuff..
Take away the Viagra,,,

someguy
01-07-2009, 12:07 PM
We had moved 2 years ago and shortly after my neighbours son was nailed for child porn. Guy was a real wierdo. So with a few kids we decided to sell cause of him and luckily did. Now we are in a new home and no problems so far.

Sophie's_Mommy
01-07-2009, 12:18 PM
I am not defending anyone here. But lets say I have my pc in my home and someone else is using it like my kids or a friend who comes over. They download this kiddie porn and then I get nailed for it. THis may be the situation in some cases. Again not trying to defend anyone as I am sickened by anyone who is into kiddie porn.

i agree , but there would have to be more then just a downloaded kiddie porn video, these people who get busted for kiddie porn have more then just a couple downloaded videos, these guys by the sound of it are all in this together, which would mean they have lots of videos pictures and are distributing them, police monitor this stuff before busting people.

Peety
01-07-2009, 12:25 PM
Look at the new update!
What a bunch of losers!!:thumbs_down:

SusyQ
01-07-2009, 12:32 PM
Where is the pleasure in watching children. I hope they get the book thrown at them. They are pathetic sick individuals in my books.

The Chronic Liar
01-07-2009, 12:34 PM
Innocent until proven guilty is only your right in a court of law. Outside the courtroom , like in civil court, we use a balance of probabilities. If police do an investigation and find child porn, I think more than likely these guys are guilty.

Sophie's_Mommy
01-07-2009, 12:44 PM
this guy should be locked up for life, watch the hole video and tell me what u think...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1eNDIioyx8

SusyQ
01-07-2009, 12:47 PM
OMFG sicko.

MaO3
01-07-2009, 12:50 PM
Innocent until proven guilty is only your right in a court of law. Outside the courtroom , like in civil court, we use a balance of probabilities. If police do an investigation and find child porn, I think more than likely these guys are guilty.


Well said RB

Sophie's_Mommy
01-07-2009, 12:56 PM
OMFG sicko.

i know and they actually published his books and put them in the library!!!!!!! books about how to molest a child!!! wtf are they thinking letting them be in a library and published?

SusyQ
01-07-2009, 12:58 PM
Yup and he believes a 5 year old is legal for sex. CREEP!

gouligann
01-07-2009, 01:18 PM
I also just can't understand how a person could look at a young body having things done to him/her and get turned on by it. It's just sick, it's wrong, and the very thought of it makes me sick.

I watched a show about a reporter with a hidden camera in Thailand. You can't even BELIEVE what goes on over there, and they get away with it. Police just turn their heads and their wallets get padded by the crime bosses.

crazymamma
01-07-2009, 02:57 PM
Well I think that the Judicial system aught to be overhauled. I lived in a co-op where there was a sex offender 3 doors down from me...I have 2 girls and was not pleased. We finally got him evicted...and what happened a year later he gets caught with child porn...Chief davis warned the public that he would re-offend...but so many people including his girlfriend were saying oh no he was framed hes changed...blah blah blah...well he's locked up again...but not long enough!!!! We need a better system to protect our children...cause believe me if anyone tried anything with my girls I'd be going to jail for murder!

Anapeg
01-07-2009, 02:57 PM
I watched a show about a reporter with a hidden camera in Thailand. You can't even BELIEVE what goes on over there, and they get away with it. Police just turn their heads and their wallets get padded by the crime bosses.

All you need do is look around you here to find the exact same thing perhaps minus the Police involvement. Perversion knows no boundaries, political, social,or geographical. Cancer is a sickness. The flu is a sickness. A common cold is a sickness. Child porn and child molestation is perversion, there is no other word or euphemism required, perversion. If not turned over to the families they should be turned into general population while in prison not kept in protective custody. Even crooks and murders have morals and don't mind getting their hands a bit dirty.

Sweet Little Sister
01-07-2009, 03:00 PM
We need a better system to protect our children...cause believe me if anyone tried anything with my girls I'd be going to jail for murder!

same here ..

Evangeline
01-07-2009, 04:46 PM
An important thing to keep in mind when people are charged with child pornography is that the person does not need to be a little kid to be considered a child, it's anyone under 18. Not saying that I have any idea about this guy in particular, but someone can be charged with "child porn" for stuff that has teenagers in it aswell. Not that that is right either, but with the pictures that these teenage girls post of themselves all over the internet I would not be surprised about how many men use the right click when they see it there, it's hard to tell the difference between a 16 and an 18 year old, and the younger ones try so hard to make themselves look provocative now and then share it with the whole internet, it's disturbing.

Anapeg
01-07-2009, 05:53 PM
Evangeline it sounds as though you are trying to sugar coat that which is unpalatable. While I fully agree that you are innocent until proven guilty and feel it is wrong to go public with names at this point. Should the men be found guilty their names and addresses should be public domain. You do point out or at least seem to excuse the act if a person is sixteen as it's difficult to discern between eighteen and sixteen. What does a fifty something year old man have to do with a juvenile? What they are after is free in any bar in town why abuse a child? What came first molesting or pornography? does one lead to the other or do they go hand in hand?

Sweet Little Sister
01-07-2009, 06:10 PM
i don't think Evangeline was trying to sugar coat anything..she was merely pointing out the fact that 'a child' is anyone under the age of 18.

starterwiz
01-07-2009, 06:16 PM
While I agree with the majority here, that it's sick to be into child porn, i think that the facts should be clear before condemning anyone.
It's quite likely that most computers would have some evidence of a history of viewing illegal content.
Just for example, someone might click on a header with a innocuous description, only to find that the content was illegal. What does one do in that case? The evidence is already there to convict you.
Now someone opening folders that say "Underage..." that's different, but there are many people in the world with bad intent. Look at all the viruses that plague the internet. They get into your system in many disguised ways.
Also consider that there are often multiple users on any family's computer. Should the owner be responsible and charged if their 10 year old went surfing and ended up at the wrong place?
Just some serious points to ponder.

Another point I will add while I'm at it: The mods on this site have access to your ISP address.
Very easy for them to go into Limewire, and discover just what files you have in your sharing folder.
Things that make you go HMMM!!!

I'll wait while you all take a pause from Soonet to get your delete buttons working.

BooBooMyKy
01-07-2009, 06:16 PM
if a person has been found guitly of molestation and served time in jail and has been released into custody, is it aginst the law for someone else to tell people what their name is and where they live? do the people living in the city have a right to know if there is a child sexual preditor in their neighbourhood?

Barney Rubble
01-07-2009, 06:31 PM
well i am 49 years old & i like 30ish women???

starterwiz
01-07-2009, 06:39 PM
And the Prize for Soonet's fastest deleter goes to.....drum roll....Barney Rubble, with the record time of 15 minutes LOL
Just as long as you don't trade the 30 in for two 15s, you'll be OK Barney.

BlueSky
01-07-2009, 07:51 PM
Any one who thinks child porn is a turn on is a sicko..
Come on,,They have to be a little short on brains.
Throw them in jail.....What is the next step ? Child molester

I am not disputing this.
However, when it comes to adult porn, why don't we make the same connections?

Doesn't viewing porn in general cause _some_ to commit sexual assaults?

sereenie
01-07-2009, 08:07 PM
Wow that video was just phyco

houlegan
01-07-2009, 08:30 PM
In MI - it is law that Sex Offenders are listed on a website with their address and history...

http://www.mipsor.state.mi.us/

My sister lives in an above average neighborhood - I punched in her Zip code ... over 200 listed...
more than 5 offenders live within a 5 mile radius of her home.

Predators everywhere.

I think in Canada, sometimes, we protect them too much...

BooBooMyKy
01-07-2009, 09:41 PM
In MI - it is law that Sex Offenders are listed on a website with their address and history...

http://www.mipsor.state.mi.us/

My sister lives in an above average neighborhood - I punched in her Zip code ... over 200 listed...
more than 5 offenders live within a 5 mile radius of her home.

Predators everywhere.

I think in Canada, sometimes, we protect them too much...

so this is only the law in the states? It is against the law to name them in canada?

BooBooMyKy
01-07-2009, 09:43 PM
In MI - it is law that Sex Offenders are listed on a website with their address and history...

http://www.mipsor.state.mi.us/

My sister lives in an above average neighborhood - I punched in her Zip code ... over 200 listed...
more than 5 offenders live within a 5 mile radius of her home.

Predators everywhere.

I think in Canada, sometimes, we protect them too much...

so this is only the law in the states? It is against the law to name them in canada? if i told u a name of a convected child molester and where they lived, could i get into trouble? cause i know of one and i want to protect the people living in that neighbourhood.

IMHO
01-07-2009, 09:44 PM
I have one to say to these perverts.....MAY YOU ROT IN HELL.

houlegan
01-07-2009, 10:20 PM
so this is only the law in the states? It is against the law to name them in canada? if i told u a name of a convected child molester and where they lived, could i get into trouble? cause i know of one and i want to protect the people living in that neighbourhood.

Hmmm BooBoo - I really don't know about if you would get into trouble or not???

I certainly don't know the laws and how they apply to convicted criminals. I just know that there is not a public registry here like they have available in Michigan and some other states.

Maybe someone else can help with Boo Boo's question?

42net1
01-08-2009, 02:19 AM
Do you guys think that it is coincidental that a man who pleaded guilty to four sexual assault charges involving three boys in 2001 becomes a murder victim the day before 2 other local men are charged on accounts of child pornography? Me thinks the two storys are tethered by an intricate web of butterfly effects.

Sophie's_Mommy
01-08-2009, 10:19 AM
all molesters should have a tattoo on their forehead stating they are sickos. and signs on their front lawn

b&aMom
01-08-2009, 10:29 AM
Do you guys think that it is coincidental that a man who pleaded guilty to four sexual assault charges involving three boys in 2001 becomes a murder victim the day before 2 other local men are charged on accounts of child pornography? Me thinks the two storys are tethered by an intricate web of butterfly effects.

I wondered about that myself once I'd read that he'd been charged in the past.

CyLixx
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
I agree Shawns girl....one man was sentenced to 90 days weekends not to long ago. If he went in the jail Friday night at 7pm and was out on Monday at 7am that would count as 4 days. It's absolutely beyond belief that the laws are so lenient when it comes to this.



How about this....a few months House arrest and few yrs probation for a child molester...With PREVIOUS accounts.....

All because he needs to take care of his parents..funny thing is..his parents are both deceased....

The so called (PARENTS) in question are apparently a good friend of his that he takes care of..So hmm...What kind of system is that...

crazymamma
01-08-2009, 02:08 PM
Yes there is a law that protects the child molesters....which in my opinon is not right...they lost the right to have privacy and protection once they molested a child....In the situation we had...the person couldn't be evicted cause of their criminal past...we had to catch them on something else. Stupid eh??? It's ok for them to live amongst children! you can google info and there are tons of petitions out there to increase punishnet stc....One of these days the government will wake up......maybe

Peety
01-08-2009, 02:09 PM
all molesters should have a tattoo on their forehead stating they are sickos. and signs on their front lawn

Yes atleast when we see them we will know and can protect our children!

Barney Rubble
01-09-2009, 11:33 AM
While it is quite disturbing and sickening, compared to other communites our crime rate here is quite low.

It's the start of the year and the police have to make it look like they are actually doing something to make us all feel protected.




Here is an interesting read on crime rates per province & metro areas:

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/080717/dq080717b-eng.htm