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chase_me
01-07-2009, 01:31 PM
Used childrens items that will be used by kids under 12 years of age will be illegal to sell. this includes baby items, clothes, handheld video game systems, you name it, it wil be illegal.

Also new items such as WAHM cloth diapers or hairbows or toys or dolls or anything will be illegal to sell.

They can undergo special testing and be tagged lead free but the process is too expensive for most normal sellers to go through.

SusyQ
01-07-2009, 01:33 PM
Thats ashame because alot of the donations went too the homeless.

chase_me
01-07-2009, 01:36 PM
agreed suzy, even places like goodwill will have to stop selling their used childrens clothes which means less money for the charity, also means more clothes in the landfill because if they can't resell or donate people will throw the clothes away. And what the hell about families who can't afford to spend 20 dollars or more on one pair of pants or shirt for their children what is going to happen to these families.

LettuceLady
01-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Where did you hear this from?

chase_me
01-07-2009, 02:04 PM
The CPSC & CPSIA new law guidelines effect most of us - sign or start a PETITION NOW.
All of us should support each other and stand united to get exclusions or amendments or extensions for compliance referencing USA handmade products and small batch items to this new law by writing to our public officials. Even if none of your items are made directly for children ... Can you imagine an ETSY, FireArt, 1000 Markets, a local craft show or eBay without any children's items in it?

This is effectively THE WORLD'S LARGEST CHILDREN'S PRODUCT RECALL ever imagined. But without the option of returning the items for refund or replacement.

THIS NEW CPSIA WILL EFFECT ALL OF US that sell ANY products that can be consider for children. Not just toys and jewelry, but CLOTHING, ROOM DECOR, SCHOOL SUPPLIES, EDUCATIONAL AIDS, ART WORK, ART SUPPLIES, PILLOWS, HAIR BOWS so on & etc. if it is made for someone 12 & under to use it will be subject to the certified testing. Even HAND-ME-DOWNS as resales or vintage items will be subject to the testing. To read the whole "brief", 67 pages long, requires some basic law education but you can get the gist of it in the CPSIA's FAQ section http://www.cpsc.gov/about/cpsia/faq/faq.html#educational

This new law is blindsiding us by giving very little notice to comply to it, if we're even able to provide the proofs the the CPSC wants. It's been so under the radar the ETSY doesn't have a STORQUE article on it yet. Niether has eBay or most of the other online seller's outlets even mention the new law. I think there waiting for after the holidays to tells us that lots of the items we bought are now effectively illegal and that we should of never given them to our children in the first place. There should be some type of grandfathering clause included that parents shouldn't have to shell out more good money if they feel their child is in danger just because the government said the product is not longer safe.

This will put quite a few of us out of business. Even larger companies are having problems complying with the deadline or the batch material testing requirements. Here a set of excerpts from a recent CPSIA hearing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUlY6zOMPqQ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlMh7MJiodY&feature=related, & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk0Vr0yDrXc&feature=related.

Don't just believe that the legislation will change on it's own, do something to let your voice be heard. Write a congressperson, tell ETSY what you feel about this law, blog about it, just get your voice heard by CPSIA that the law is impractical and bias towards small & cottage industries. People for a Greener Earth should also take up this issue since it will put an end to reusing durable children's products outside of the immediate hand me down process, sending tons of good resalable items to landfills.

Many items that were legal this holiday season will be banned come Feb. 10, 2009 regardless of if the child's product was a handheld video game by a super multinational corporation, a made in the USA pair of jeans from a local mom & pop retailer, or one of the fantastic wooden toys available at ETSY shops because it failed testing & needs to be reworked or wasn't tested yet. This means it would even be illegal and punishable by fines and jail time to resell or reuse, outside your own home, those items in anything that that would be for a child unless they were previously tested. So no one, even a consumer looking to green up the Earth a little, could list a child's items as vintage piece at ETSY or a sell it as used on eBay or at a garage sale without it having the the testing done.

Generals threads for any one :
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5938698
http://www.ipetitions.com/
http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?m....124&x#511163411

for toy makers :
http://www.handmadetoyalliance.org/
http://grecowoodcrafting.wordpress.com/

for children's clothing, doll clothes, hair bows, and accessory makers :
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5935443
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/economicimpactsofCPSIA/

If you know of any more threads and sites that address the issue PLEASE post them here. To be informed is to be forewarned. Especially if this means you will have to close shop and retool your business towards something that doesn't deal with any children's products.

Slow
01-07-2009, 03:44 PM
"Even HAND-ME-DOWNS as resales or vintage items will be subject to the testing"

Uh, c'mon, how could anyone do that??

I think you may want to look into this a bit deeper. I think the mountain you see is really a molehill.

chase_me
01-07-2009, 03:52 PM
"Even HAND-ME-DOWNS as resales or vintage items will be subject to the testing"

Uh, c'mon, how could anyone do that??

I think you may want to look into this a bit deeper. I think the mountain you see is really a molehill.


Nope the mountain i see is just that, read the links, read it all you will see that exactly what i put is what it is, go look at the links of the forums and see how pissed everyone really is about it.

Slow
01-07-2009, 03:56 PM
Nope the mountain i see is just that, read the links, read it all you will see that exactly what i put is what it is, go look at the links of the forums and see how pissed everyone really is about it.

There's nothing wrong with adding security measures to toys, after the crap China sent the world a few years ago. What good is a toy if it puts your life at risk?

And how could the government "test" every toy sold at a garage sale or other such event? Will there be a Toy Czar you must call everytime you are about to sell a used toy?

I'm not saying the general thesis of the story is not true, but I am saying some people have totally distorted what this new law will do.

Jackie B
01-07-2009, 04:41 PM
Do you know how much stuff that's going to put in the landfills? Ridiculous. Can you give the stuff away?

chase_me
01-07-2009, 04:54 PM
There's nothing wrong with adding security measures to toys, after the crap China sent the world a few years ago. What good is a toy if it puts your life at risk?

And how could the government "test" every toy sold at a garage sale or other such event? Will there be a Toy Czar you must call everytime you are about to sell a used toy?

I'm not saying the general thesis of the story is not true, but I am saying some people have totally distorted what this new law will do.

The thing is we are not talking just toys we are talking clothes and cloth diapers and you name it if it is used for a child under 12 it cannot be re-sold. The government is not responsible for testing every toy sold at a yardsale the seller is at their own cost and it must be tagged with a tag from the testing facility. And if caught it is a 15 thousand dollar fine and 5 years in jail.

Lots of people are going to stop selling, ebay is going to take a big hit too because of this.

Slow
01-07-2009, 06:38 PM
Wow, the Internet is sure good at blowing things out of proportion.

Hans
01-07-2009, 06:40 PM
I think this could be easily repaired if there would be an official logo put in place for every item that has passed all US rules and regulations concerning safety.

Slow
01-07-2009, 06:41 PM
I think this could be easily repaired if there would be an official logo put in place for every item that has passed all US rules and regulations concerning safety.

Is this a bad thing?

Hans
01-07-2009, 06:44 PM
No, it would ensure conformity to tried and tested standards. There's just to many international standards that are accepted by countries.

Slow
01-07-2009, 06:47 PM
So maybe this story is blown out of proportion a tad.

Hans
01-07-2009, 06:50 PM
I did not look at the safety labels that apply to the USA. Is there a specific label similar to the CSA label we have in Canada?

EyelashExtensions
01-07-2009, 06:50 PM
You would think that the responsibility would lie with the retailer that originally brought the toys, clothes etc... into the country would be required to do the testing and marking of items before they were sold to the general public in the first place. This makes no sense at all. The retailer can sell them but the consumer can't resell them...

Slow
01-07-2009, 06:53 PM
"The retailer can sell them but the consumer can't resell them..."

People, please, relax..slow down and relax. This is NOT what is happening.

Slow
01-07-2009, 07:01 PM
"Congressional negotiators settled months of debate over product safety on Monday, and in nearly every detail—including lead levels in toys, safety information for consumers and fines for violating the new rules—stricter standards won out.

Proponents called the agreement the most aggressive overhaul in decades of America’s consumer safety system. It was announced by a bipartisan conference committee and could pass the House and Senate as soon as this week. President George W. Bush is expected to sign it.

The deal would require manufacturers and importers to subject toys and other nursery products to strict safety tests before they hit store shelves"

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/jul/29/nation/chi-consumer-safety-29jul29

Why is this a bad thing???




http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5565216&page=1

bluekrissyspikes
01-07-2009, 07:16 PM
there is no way the government would even be able to enforce a law that banned second hand kid stuff, and if they did then would they be required to give a lot of money to families in poverty so they could afford to buy ten twenty dollar pairs of pants, a dozen shirts and everything else everytime that their kids grew a bit? i don't think it's gonna happen. people are over reacting.

Slow
01-07-2009, 07:17 PM
And don't you think the American people would be a tad ticked? Don't you think CNN and all the radio talk shows would be going bananas over this?

chase_me
01-07-2009, 08:40 PM
American people are beyond a tad ticked, you obviously didn't read anythign i posted and just ran your mouth anyhow.

I guess come Feb 10th we will see what happens.

KDawg
01-07-2009, 09:13 PM
The legislation grew out of hearings prompted by a Pulitzer Prize-winning Tribune investigation that documented how the CPSC failed to promptly notify American families about deadly hazards lurking in toys, cribs and other children’s products.
It would increase the size and budget of the agency, expand government oversight of imported goods...Take a government agency that has been proven to be ineffective, make them bigger and give them more money....makes perfect sense to me.

I just thought that part was funny.;)