BIH Chris Benoit

[Ultra54]

BIH Chris Benoit. And that is for being involved with Wrestling.

[Shanny]

burn in hel! I figured it out and it only took a minute.

[SusyQ]

Yup me too.

[Super Gram]

I don't care about him but he took 2 other human beings with him.

[Jackie B]

Can you imagine that giant muscle bound man putting the choke hold on his sleeping 7 year old dwarf son until he's dead? What a SICKO. I heard he killed his wife Friday, his son Saturday, and himself Sunday. Not sure if it's true, but could you imagine? That's not roid rage, that's well thought out. Atleast the son and himself were.

[italiandomino]

I love how Quick everyone is to defend the mentally ill .. but turn face when someone who is mentally ill does something horrible.

typical Soonet behaviour

[GRUMPY]

Hate to say it but theres still no proof he was on steroids as far as we know they could have been for the kid.

[Ultra54]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love how Quick everyone is to defend the mentally ill .. but turn face when someone who is mentally ill does something horrible.

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One could say anyone who commits a heinous crime is mentally ill. I defend mentally ill J walker but not a murderer. truthfully they (cold blooded killers) should be dealt with in the way a wounded horse is, one shot to the head.

[italiandomino]

I guess he saved you that bullet.

I still love how Soonet turns face

[Ultra54]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I still love how Soonet turns face </div></div> Might be more acurate to say mankind.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I guess he saved you that bullet.
</div></div> best case scenario cuz I'm not insane therefore I couldn't take another life, he did the only right thing that weekend

[italiandomino]

i didnt' know only insane ppl took a life ... I think a father that killed a person for seriously hurting their child wouldn't be called insane.

i see alot of fellow soonetters wishing some ppl death ... i suppose there is alot of insane ppl on soonet

[everywoman]

Whatever happened....3 people are dead, families are torn apart and lives are shattered. I feel for everyone involved.

[Barney Rubble]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see alot of fellow soonetters wishing some ppl death ... i suppose there is alot of insane ppl on soonet </div></div>

hypocrite!

duis should rot in hell!!

ring a bell ?????

[MaO3]

I've read that they don't believe it to be Roid rage. He didn't snap and kill them both in seconds, he killed her, then suffocated his son the next day. Not raging if you wait you know say 12 to 24 hours before your next episode.

Its a terrible thing, thats for sure the life of a seven year old was ended because of him. I just wonder about the last hours of that poor child. Was he aware of his mother being dead in another room.

What truly happened we will likely never know.

[italiandomino]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barney Rubble</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see alot of fellow soonetters wishing some ppl death ... i suppose there is alot of insane ppl on soonet </div></div>

hypocrite!

duis should rot in hell!!

ring a bell ????? </div></div>

please read before you post, the comment was directed at someone. i know you have a hard time reading along, but please do.

[KelBear]

Anyone see this...strange eh??


http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=25626

[pylus]

The end of the link to FOX from sootoday, I'd start the conspiracy theory, but it could make for such a good storyline.

" According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007."


"FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes."

[pylus]

I will help them out though....

http://wikinewsreports.blogspot.com/2007/06/death-of-chris-benoits-wife-posted-on.html

"was by an anonymous edit from IP address 69.120.111.23 using the Internet service provider Optimum Online which is located in Connecticut, the world headquarters of the WWE."

"the investigation cannot confirm that the first edit was made using a WWE computer or network."

Not the 1st time its been rumored of death on wiki, or anywhere for that matter..

"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated" Mark Twain

The difference is these ones wheren't.

[GRUMPY]

it will be interesting to see if a real news agency picks this up.

[washawee]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it will be interesting to see if a real news agency picks this up. </div></div>

Fox News (not really a real news channel /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif) has picked it up.

[GRUMPY]

Saying Fox picked it up is like saying you read it in the National Inquirer .

[washawee]

hence the brackets

[blueeyedgirl]

I was reading in a few places that their 7 year old has Fragile X syndrome(the same syndrome as my son). That poor child died a terrible death by someone who should love, nurture and care for him. How anyone can do that to their own child is beyond me!

[Ultra54]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: italiandomino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i didnt' know only insane ppl took a life ... I think a father that killed a person for seriously hurting their child wouldn't be called insane.

i see alot of fellow soonetters wishing some ppl death ... i suppose there is alot of insane ppl on soonet </div></div>
I suppose that is why there are different degrees of murder. The more you plan it, the crazier you must be. Extreme examples are dangerous driving causing death and the other end of the scale, serail killer. The revenge killing is still not something a totally sane person would do. Not saying I wouldn't in the case of killing my child either but truthfully killing someone won't bring your child back and you will go to jail for a long time. This happens when you are consumed by rage and to be consumed by anything may not be totally sane.
Is it true that they found tracks on the boys arms? From what i heard he was giving the boy growth hormones. I don't know if this was true but several people I spoke with claimed it was the case.

[teddybear84]

I feel sorry for that whole family. I mean no matter the reason none of them deserved to die especially like that. I really don't think any one ever find out what exactly happened and it may even be for the best. But that poor child was so young. You just never know there could have been any reason why they died.

[italiandomino]

Different degrees of murder ?? murder is murder .. end of story

[tippikitty]

Morally maybe not but technically there are different degrees. First degree, Second degree etc.

[dancingqueen]

what a sad case /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif the poor family

[Super Gram]

Now they are checking up on the Dr. that prescribed all those steroids. Bet he loses his license

[pylus]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: italiandomino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Different degrees of murder ?? murder is murder .. end of story </div></div>

Agree 100%

Theres murder, manslaughter (which has degrees) And killing for a reason, easiest examples are self defence and act of war.

[B.David]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pylus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Theres murder, manslaughter (which has degrees) And killing for a reason, easiest examples are self defence and act of war.</div></div>

Premeditated murder doesn't fall with Murder in the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd degree?

[pylus]

Never said it didn't..... could be he murdered the kid and the wife falls into another category, not saying its so, but possible. We don't nor are we likely to know all the facts.

[newman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: italiandomino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Different degrees of murder ?? murder is murder .. end of story </div></div>

You can tell alot of thought went into that statement?

[pylus]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: italiandomino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Different degrees of murder ?? murder is murder .. end of story </div></div>

You can tell alot of thought went into that statement? </div></div>

Depends on legal or moral thoughts. At the end of the day there is a line that is black and white, even if we don't know where that line is. And I trust legally and morally it is different for everyone.

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: newman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: italiandomino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Different degrees of murder ?? murder is murder .. end of story </div></div>

You can tell alot of thought went into that statement? </div></div>

For him there was.

[Karen-Annie]

This is one more story that highlights the "risks"(for want of a better word) of idolizing and making "heroes and role models of figures we THINK we know.Glorifying a public personna has more than once lead to having the image shatter at our feet.Far better to idolize and make heroes of those we REALLY do KNOW who REALLY deserve it.

[Sophie's_Mommy]

steroids or no steroids this guy woulda prolly did it anyways, steroids are not to blame for this he is. Look at how many people are on steroids and have they murdered anyone? This guy was a sick freak and i hope he burns in hell.He knew damn well what he was doing. He did this over a 3 day period, thats enough time to think about his actions and he still choose to kill his son. [censored] goof

[Iverson3k]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: italiandomino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love how Quick everyone is to defend the mentally ill .. but turn face when someone who is mentally ill does something horrible.

typical Soonet behaviour </div></div>

I agree with you 110%

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Saying Fox picked it up is like saying you read it in the National Inquirer . </div></div>

Grumpy longs for the 'good, old days', when the Left controlled all the media. It was so much easier back then to drink the kool-aid.

Grumpy has a real problem with people seeing both sides of an issue.

[Bufford]

and what 2 sides are there when someone kills their own child.

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Saying Fox picked it up is like saying you read it in the National Inquirer . </div></div>

Grumpy longs for the 'good, old days', when the Left controlled all the media. It was so much easier back then to drink the kool-aid.

Grumpy has a real problem with people seeing both sides of an issue. </div></div>

Actually I would like it if Fox would even see one side or the other as long as it had some bases in reality.

[Ultra54]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Different degrees of murder ?? murder is murder .. end of story
</div></div> I agree with you 2%. This may be true in your mind but in the rest of the world there certainly are many different circumstances to murder. You desribed one yourself. Using your line of reasoning one could take it to mean that the father you described was simply a murderer or is he justified? I'm somewhat confused on your take on murder now, on one hand you almost get the sense that "murdering" for revenge is acceptable yet on the other you say "murder is murder, end of story" as if to say any taking of life is unjustified.Help me out here, I may be a bit simple so indulge me, make me understand you please. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a father that killed a person for seriously hurting their child wouldn't be called insane.
</div></div>

[GRUMPY]

What you expect ID to make sense?

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pylus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The end of the link to FOX from sootoday, I'd start the conspiracy theory, but it could make for such a good storyline.

" According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007."


"FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes."

</div></div>


What if Chris never did it,seems there have been a few strange deaths involving people connected to this "sport"?

[Ultra54]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Benoit’s body contained steroids, the anti-anxiety drug Xanax and the painkiller hydrocodone, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

The wrestler's wife, Nancy, tested positive for Xanax, hydrocodone and the painkiller hydromorphone.

According to the investigating state agency, the child - Daniel Benoit - had Xanax in his system.
</div></div>
I can't imagine what was going on there that weekend. The poor kid.

[scsint]

Just a general consensus here ...

I detect a lot of hate and rage going on for what happened, I hope none of you are on the juice while like this! Boy, that would be nasty! A few here want to see Chris, 'Burn in Hell' ... how many of you actually believe there is a place called HELL??? Do you believe there are different levels or degrees of HELL, (ex: gehenna, lake of fire, abyss, tartarus, hades ... and no, these do not all mean the same thing) Or is this just an anger thing speaking out??

Be honest now!

We will all die one day, we just don't know how or when.

Have a great day (while you can)!!

[adigirl]

I don't think he should go to hell. I am one of the ones who have said that in the past initially about some murder until I know more facts. It comes out of anger at envisioning what a person had to go through in their last moments of life. I am particularly reactive to the thoughts of what an innocent may have gone through.

In this case, this murder was totally preventable! It is a choice to take steriods like that, not a medical valid reason. I can only sympathize with the father to a certain extent. I am glad the doctor is in trouble too. He was irresponsible.

Grumpy, I don't think someone else murdered the family.

[italiandomino]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What you expect ID to make sense? </div></div>

I sure don't

[AmdWolfman]

Benoit’s tenacity was directed at his family also by the looks of things. What a coward, WWE pushes steroid use in it's matches to gain an upper hand to the opponet. I say agin he was a coward and nothing u all say will chnage my mind, Vince has to stand b 4 a grand jury for what he is promoting. The players in the ring need an upper hand to wrestlte these monsters. Tell you what tho, Chris' death and tragedy won't be the last.

[Madmax]

Steroid use with this type of sport should no longer be allowed. There is other was to gain mass and stay trim and toned. These guys are huge enough and with training (without steriods) will enable them to not have these types of tragedies.

The fact that the tests on benoit have not been publically made as of yet will even make more of us wonder was he on roids at the time or not. If not then he just freaked out and to what reasons we may never know, but if he was on roids at the time. Then it will be concluded that it was a possible abuse of this drug that possibly had something to alter his mood into a killer.

I must say that over the time period in which this murder/suicide was taken it can be determined as being a planned murder/suicide, but not a long planned thought, but one that just snapped and he killed his wife most likely during an arguement that got way out of hand. Then he most likely figured his life is ruined and did not want his son to be known for the son of a killer wrestler and so on, so decided to kill his son, of course now he had only a few options for himself, give up and go to jail or kill himself in which he did so.

This was a very tragic thing that occurred and even if he was in a roid rage at the time of killing his wife he was still thinking through it all to put a bible beside both his wife and his son and then he was thinking through it all to kill himself and before this he also texted messaged strange/werid messages to certain co-workers. This is not of a deranged/mentally illed person, but of one who snapped for some reason or another and after his deadly deeds he calmed down to realize what the hell he actaully did.

The questions that still remain was it roids over a period of time that had a part in his rampage of death and destruction or was it other drugs over a long period of time that finally made this 220 pound monster go on the loose. Time will tell and some researchers want to study his brain if they can to see if drug use had caused this tradegdy.

I sympathize with the familes involved, but has the WWF gone to far in making wrestlers use such drugs to bring 400 million a year in sales. The answer is yes as there has been around 60 wrestlers over the past 10 years under the age of 35-25 that have died from drug overdose or self involved circumstances.

If these drugs have been somewhat forced to be used and had someway helped in the alter ego of certain wrestlers to eventaully burn up and commit such acts in which benoit has done. Then who is accountable the wrestler of the "Old Rich Man" who keeps shoving it in their faces to take so that they can have a comic book like character to be protrayed on TV for fans to watch and to bring in millons of dollars in revenue for that so called "Self Made Billionare" named Vincent Kennedy Mc'mahon.


And for the families:

RIP benoit and family.

I hope that such things like this don't happen again.

[Tutones]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MadMax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steroid use with this type of sport should no longer be allowed.
</div></div>

LOL.

You lost me on the first sentence.

1. Steriod use is illegal and therefore it's NOT allowed!

2. Pro Wrestling is NOT A SPORT. It is staged entertainment. Anyone who believes otherwise is out of their tree!

[Madmax]

Prescribed steriods is legal and Pro Wrestling (wwe) is SPORT entertainment.

[Chako]

Tutones is correct.

Greco Roman wrestling is a sport.

Pro Wrestling is staged as in they know who will win and who will lose. Therefore, there is no level of competition, and hence, it is not a sport by any stretch of the imagination.

[Madmax]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chako</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tutones is correct.

Greco Roman wrestling is a sport.

Pro Wrestling is staged as in they know who will win and who will lose. Therefore, there is no level of competition, and hence, it is not a sport by any stretch of the imagination.
</div></div>

Oh well some will consider it sports entertainment in which it is, as wrestling is a sport and the WWE is entertainment of a wrestling sport. They do get hurt for real at times and need steriods to help with injuries, but when it is prescribed for not medicinal issues which it is in the WWE on many occasions the Dr's can be held responsible for their prescribing such drugs for non-medicinal usage.

[Chako]

Sorry MadMax. To qualify as a sport, there has to be competition. I just don't see that at the Pro Wrestling level. Oh sure, it is physical, but they know the outcome of the match when they go in. It is after all for entertainment.

[Madmax]

Well they do compete in sports entertainment... lol

[Chako]

What competition is there if the end result is known before the match? Yes, they do put on a good show. Yes, it is very physical and they do get hurt. Yes, the stuff during the match is mostly off the cuff showboating to make it look good with non to little rehearsal, but a competition?

Anyways I do get your point. I just don't think of it as a sport. More entertainment with a sport theme to it.

[Simba]

I agree

[Madmax]

Yes i can agree with that Chako