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Bluesky
07-15-2009, 07:54 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/07/14/crtc-bell-internet-traffic-management-providers-customers.html

Daniels said peer-to-peer file transfers are reduced to a speed of 256 kilobits per second between 6 p.m. and 1 a.m. in Ontario and Quebec. That is a 98.5 per cent reduction from the maximum advertised speed of 16 megabits per second that Bell uses to sell its Internet Max 16 service.

Between 4:30 p.m. and 6 p.m. and between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m., the company slows downloads to 512 kilobits per second. Daniels added that the numbers would be posted on its website soon.

Bell Canada's sister company Bell Aliant, which operates in Atlantic Canada, does not throttle traffic any time, as congestion is not considered a problem there, the CRTC was told.

Hans
07-15-2009, 09:20 AM
"In addition, ISPs that don't want to be subject to throttling also have another option, Daniels said. They could buy Bell's high-speed access (HSA) wholesale service, which uses the same shared network and costs roughly twice as much, but is not subject to Bell's traffic shaping. For example, Primus has purchased that service in some parts of Ontario."

That sums it up, and makes it clear "congestion" is not the root cause.

Konig-OV
07-16-2009, 10:01 AM
The CRTC website said that the ISP that throttles, only throttle the upload. That correct?

Andre
07-16-2009, 01:55 PM
Shaw and Rogers throttle the upload. Bell the download...and Hans is right. Bell never proved that congestion was the real problem. In fact they were never able to show that their network was at any time over 55%. After they started losing costumers from throttling their own ISP to wholesalers, they then started throttling the wholesalers too.

Hans
07-16-2009, 05:30 PM
The other issue that is going to pop up in the near future is masquarading packets to try and avoid traffic shaping. Right now it's not widely used and not much development time has been spent on it.
However, once wide spread in the P2P community it will become a battle no ISP can win unless they are willing to create a 2 tiered system with "premium access" to places like Microsoft and such.

Shawn
09-22-2009, 05:26 PM
"In addition, ISPs that don't want to be subject to throttling also have another option, Daniels said. They could buy Bell's high-speed access (HSA) wholesale service, which uses the same shared network and costs roughly twice as much, but is not subject to Bell's traffic shaping. For example, Primus has purchased that service in some parts of Ontario."

That sums it up, and makes it clear "congestion" is not the root cause.

This is correct it is unrestricted on the HSA from my understanding. We at Vianet offer this service too but its mostly businesses that use it because you basically have a vlan with a static ip. You no longer use PPPoE on that type of service. I think we can provide this in all of Ontario pretty much.