Easy money!!!

[The Handyman]

I had been in the U.S. for a couple of days and found myself in need of some U.S. money. I was in Worthington, Minnesota and went to the First State Bank of Worthington to exchange some Canadian cash.

I walked up to the teller and asked what the exchange rate was for Canadian to U.S. dollars and she asked how much I wanted to exchange. I said I wanted about $80.00 U.S. and she asked me what I usually paid. I gave her a ficticious 11% and she consulted with another teller and came back to me saying their policy was to exchange it dollar for dollar. She said they used to do it at 20% but found the book work too much of a hassle.

She asked me again how much U.S. I wanted, and after a quick thought (it didn't take long), I said I wanted $200.00 (that is how much Canadian I had on me). After getting my $200.00 U.S. I went out to my vehicle to send my wife in to get another $300.00 exchanged. The teller's only comment when my wife went in was she asked my wife if "fifties" were OK. Biting her tongue, she said "sure"!!!

$500.00 for $500.00, .... pretty good deal. Try it out, ... you just have to drive to Worthington, Minnesota!

[$Spendbender$]

..a bank teller that doesn't know the exchange rate.

/pull the other one

[Andre]

Unless you are within about 10 miles of the Canadian border I doubt the bank teller new where Canada was let alone the exchange rate.

[Super Gram]

I went into a bank in Southern State to get $100 from my Visa...boy you would think I was from mars. While the rest of the people on the bus were buying things with their Visas at the stores up the street. Next trip I was much wiser.

[lynys]

Well, as of today, $500 CDN is worth $458.082 USD.

I guess it was an easy $42.

[Anapeg]

Well, as of today, $500 CDN is worth $458.082 USD.

I guess it was an easy $42.

For an upstanding Union Man that seems not kosher to me somehow. I wonder if the girl will miss it much when she has to pay it back to the bank? Hopefully one of the kids won't need milk or anything for a couple of days. :confused2: :zip:

Sorry Handyman I posses a long memory and a short fuse. :wink:

[$Spendbender$]

Unless you are within about 10 miles of the Canadian border I doubt the bank teller new where Canada was let alone the exchange rate.

while I don't doubt your theory my dear, I'd have to expect they have the internet in Minnesota.

..and, Minnesota IS on the Canadian border...soooo?

*shrugs*

Nevermind...

Handyman, If I robbed a bank, accidentally or not, I wouldn't be advertising it...lol

[Andre]

Worthington isn't anywhere near the border

[$Spendbender$]

No, but Minnesota is.

Traverse City is no where near the Canadian border either and they sure know the exchange rate.

/why you being a pissant?

[Andre]

Who's being a pissant. I'm not the one calling his story bullshiat, you guys are.
Traverse City is a tourist town and are accustomed to Canadians. Worthington is about as far south in Minnesota as you can get. It's practically in Iowa. Canadians aren't all that common there.

[Daiv]

I was wondering, too, why everybody was so quick to call him a liar.

Even if the bank DID make a mistake, why is that his fault?

[$Spendbender$]

Even if the bank DID make a mistake, why is that his fault?

Because he purposefully took advantage of it a second time?

[Anapeg]

Even if the bank DID make a mistake, why is that his fault?

"The Bank" did not make the mistake if in fact a mistake was made. The teller who used to work there did. She will be ultimately held responsible, not the bank nor Handy Man. In most jobs when you handle money you are give your own till and float. No one else can play with your toys so when they scan electronically and realize the error they can get their pound of flesh back from the employee.

PAZANG! The bank ( and Slow of course ) wins!

[$Spendbender$]

PAZANG! The bank ( and Slow of course ) wins!

PAZANG my hind foot..

Handyman knew he was dealing with someone he could take advantage of and he sent his wife right back in to do it again!

He couldn't be more at fault if he wore a ski mask...lol

[wiener]

The gas station next door to the water tower, about a year ago i went in to pay for $20 worth of gas with a 50... she gives me back a 20 and a 10, walking out of the store I noticed that bills felt to thick and once i was in my car i realised that the 20 had another 20 stuck to it... ended up getting free gas.

[H.E. Pennypacker]

who cares

[Konig-OV]

London England is further than Worthington, and in London they gave me my money at the current exchange rate. It's rather odd hearing about a union worker doing something to swindle more money out of an organization.

[$Spendbender$]

thank you

[Konig-OV]

The gas station next door to the water tower, about a year ago i went in to pay for $20 worth of gas with a 50... she gives me back a 20 and a 10, walking out of the store I noticed that bills felt to thick and once i was in my car i realised that the 20 had another 20 stuck to it... ended up getting free gas.

How would you feel if you gave them a 50 and then only gave you 10 back? Is it ok to cheer them on and say WOO HOO free money? Criminal.

[wiener]

who cares

lemme guess, you're a penny packer right?? oh oh and lemme guess, you pack'em in your sphincter right??

[wiener]

How would you feel if you gave them a 50 and then only gave you 10 back? Is it ok to cheer them on and say WOO HOO free money? Criminal.

i wouldnt be stupid enough to leave without all of my change and if it was some other kind of business like a small locally owned business, I would have given it back but seeing as it was a huge oil corporation, I really didn't care. thy've been ripping us off and playing games with us for years now with this up and down gas price BS.

[Konig-OV]

It's cute how criminals try to justify their actions.

[Anapeg]

i wouldn't be stupid enough to leave without all of my change and if it was some other kind of business like a small locally owned business, I would have given it back but seeing as it was a huge oil corporation, I really didn't care. they've been ripping us off and playing games with us for years now with this up and down gas price BS.

Read back. The individual payed for your gas, not Shell. Even money says she earns minimum rage and is $20.00 outta pocket. Feel better?

[wiener]

your just jealous

[wiener]

minumum rage? what they pay her with anger?

[Anapeg]

PAZANG my hind foot..

Handyman knew he was dealing with someone he could take advantage of and he sent his wife right back in to do it again!

He couldn't be more at fault if he wore a ski mask...lol





Don't yell at me. Reread, I'm on your side kid.

[Konig-OV]

I'm not jealous, I know the big oil companies have been ripping motorists off for years. It's a known fact. Also, it's known that cashier, at the end of his/her shift, will have to come good for any monies missing! So yay! Way to stick it to the big oil companies, errrr a poor minimum wage employee. Criminal.

[Konig-OV]

minumum rage? what they pay her with anger?

Minumum rage, not Maximum. Very little rage is paid.

[Anapeg]

minimum rage? what they pay her with anger?

A play on words, sorry you missed it. I am more surprised that my spelling wasn't called into question,......yet.

[$Spendbender$]

Don't yell at me. Reread, I'm on your side kid.

I wasn't yelling..

..wait..did you call me "kid"?

I :love: you!

[Andre]

London England is further than Worthington, and in London they gave me my money at the current exchange rate.

Wait a minute...you're comparing London to Worthington.
I don't know if you've ever been to Worthington but it is a small sort of redneck city of a pop. of maybe 10,000.
I'm surprised the even accept Canadian money at the bank. It not quite the financial hubub that London is.

[Anapeg]

I wasn't yelling..

..wait..did you call me "kid"?

I :love: you!

Sorry most women tend to yell at me (and rightfully so) but I lumped you all together, yet again. Kid? At my advanced years most every one qualifies for that moniker, but you? Your special in my books. Well versed, eloquent AND pretty, hell of a combination in my estimation. Most unusual and refreshing.

[Tutones]

Must be some small bank, if they don't even have a computer system to automatically calculate the exchange rate! She DID say she couldn't be bothered with the paperwork... I guess they aren't too interested in balancing their books either. Wouldn't want to be opening an account there anytime soon.

[Tutones]

Sorry most women tend to yell at me (and rightfully so) but I lumped you all together, yet again. Kid? At my advanced years most every one qualifies for that moniker, but you? Your special in my books. Well versed, eloquent AND pretty, hell of a combination in my estimation. Most unusual and refreshing.


For some reason I've always assumed Spendbender was MALE?

[Bluesky]

I have travelled in the mid and deep south, and I could not find a bank that would exchange my Canadian money in some towns. These tellers acted like they had NEVER exchanged foreign currency.

So I do not doubt this story.

[$Spendbender$]

..aawww thanks Anapeg.

Unless of course, you're making sport of me..in which case I'm NOT impressed..lol

btw..you're the third person in as many weeks who has made a comment about my appearance.

How does everyone know what I look like? (besides the fact I leave my drapes open). Are there some stray pictures of me floating around here somewhere?

[$Spendbender$]

For some reason I've always assumed Spendbender was MALE?

:oohm: I've been called worse, by nicer people than you!

[Xzavia]

For some reason I've always assumed Spendbender was MALE?

:omg: You obviously missed the pic she posted of her tattoo a couple years back! LOL!!!:stongue:

[1337]

hahahah i'm better than you, i would've told the teller the problem! LOL

[Macs II]

:omg: You obviously missed the pic she posted of her tattoo a couple years back! LOL!!!:stongue:


I remember it ......I still have nightmares about it :msntounge_smile:

[Anapeg]

For some reason I've always assumed Spendbender was MALE?

You know what? I rarely give it any thought and simply say my piece. Spendy do I owe you an abject apology or was I spot on? Some are obvious but many tend to be androgynous and regardless I don't go that deep, no pun intended.

[Anapeg]

How does everyone know what I look like? (besides the fact I leave my drapes open). Are there some stray pictures of me floating around here somewhere?

The heavy drapes in the boudoir are tricky but I manage. hey,by the by you remember my old sign on? Uncle Pervy? Just creeping, um, er, kidding, sorry.

[Slow]

Handyman hittin' the bottle again (sigh)

[1337]

Naw, hittin up dem smartin 'Mericans.

[Slow]

If that makes sense to you, then it makes sense to me.

[Super Gram]

i wouldnt be stupid enough to leave without all of my change and if it was some other kind of business like a small locally owned business, I would have given it back but seeing as it was a huge oil corporation, I really didn't care. thy've been ripping us off and playing games with us for years now with this up and down gas price BS.


\Easy for you to say that but in case you don't know if the cashier makes a mistake.........she ends up paying for it not the oil company.:embarassed:

[Super Gram]

I bet Handyman is laughing at all you honest people...The teller went to ask another person if you read the story correctly. As I worked in a bank and I was not sure of something. I had to ask someone higher up.They are the ones who will take the blame, not her.

[Anapeg]

I bet Handyman is laughing at all you honest people...The teller went to ask another person if you read the story correctly. As I worked in a bank and I was not sure of something. I had to ask someone higher up.They are the ones who will take the blame, not her.

Regardless. Some working stiff foots the bloody bill and he is a rack of teeth. Yet he accused me of being anti working man, go figure. I haven't robbed a working class person yet to-day, more than some can say obviously.

[NewCasa]

I found a $10 bill once. I put an ad in the paper asking the owner to describe it. I think a lot of people had seen that bill because they all described it perfectly. Cost me a lot of $10 bills. Now, when I see money on the ground I walk on by, hoping the owner will come back for it soon.

[1337]

Yeah, finding a bill on the side of the road is exactly like ripping off someone knowingly. Exact same. Good analogy though :)

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

How would you feel if you gave them a 50 and then only gave you 10 back? Is it ok to cheer them on and say WOO HOO free money? Criminal.

LOL im amazed you have time or energy to type here after saving all those whales.

[1337]

Someone has to save the whales. If not, they stand in the corner at the bar all alone.

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

Haha very true. They never go home alone.

[Stickler]

Haha very true. They never go home alone.

...and they always seem to attract good looking guys too. I guess they like alot of cushion for the pushin lol

[NewCasa]

Yeah, finding a bill on the side of the road is exactly like ripping off someone knowingly. Exact same. Good analogy though :)

Hey dude how about you take the chip off your shoulder ok? I wasn't making a point - I was just messing around. Get over it.

[1337]

Hey dude how about you take the chip off your shoulder ok? I wasn't making a point - I was just messing around. Get over it.

I put a smiley face. Smiley face means I am smiling. Smiling means I am joking. Joking means I'm... **** it, i'm going to bed,...

[The Handyman]

I bet Handyman is laughing at all you honest people...The teller went to ask another person if you read the story correctly. As I worked in a bank and I was not sure of something. I had to ask someone higher up.They are the ones who will take the blame, not her.

Thank you Super G, .... somebody with some sense.

I don't know how big Worthington is, but if I had to guess, I would say around 8000 to 10000 people. The bank wasn't a hole in the wall, .... in fact it was one of the nicest, modern looking banks I've seen anywhere. It had everything a modern bank neede, including computers.

As I said, the tellers did confer before giving me the money, .... so no one person will be to blame. They said it was bank policy, so the bank will be sucking it up, .... not the teller.

Anapeg, ... you wouldn't know a union man if he faarted in your face after you kissed his a$$. I wasn't hurting any union person because if they were unionized (and they may not have been), the circumstances as they presented themselves would have given reason for understanding that would have given any union representative worth their salt the evidence needed to win a grievance of diciplinary action that would have resulted from the incident. If anything, I was hurting a capitalist entity which every GOOD union person vows to do in the name of solidarity.

If any of you smart a$$es want to doubt my story, call or e-mail the First State Bank in Worthington which is just off of one of the exits from Interstate 90. They might even remember us being there , as I am sure they don't get too much of this type of activity.

I was right up front with them as far as the willingness to pay any exchange rate. Had they told me it was, say, 11%, ..... I would have exchanged my money at that rate, .... albeit not $500.00 worth. They weren't busy at the time, so if their policy was to enact an exchange rate, they had plenty of time to do so.

At the end of the day, I don't give a rats a$$ what anybody thinks of the event, .... all I know is I am up a few bucks and had an all round great vacation. Just thought I would share an interesting happening, but a few of the regular gurus here have a mandate to fabricate pi$$ and moan posts to justify their existance.

[GRUMPY]

If anything, I was hurting a capitalist entity which every GOOD union person vows to do in the name of solidarity.



While I don't care either way I just wonder where the hell you got this goofy idea.

[Anapeg]

[QUOTE=Handyman;478034]Anapeg, ... If anything, I was hurting a capitalist entity which every GOOD union person vows to do in the name of solidarity.

So, GOOD union people are out to hurt the company they work for, I see. Well I do hope Chrysler, GM and a few others remember to send a thank you card out, IT WORKED! :thumbs_up:

You have actualy VOWED to bankrupt your employer? Any union I was in never had me make THAT pledge. Things they are a changin'.

[Konig-OV]

At the end of the day, I don't give a rats a$$ what anybody thinks of the event, .... all I know is I am up a few bucks and had an all round great vacation. Just thought I would share an interesting happening, but a few of the regular gurus here have a mandate to fabricate pi$$ and moan posts to justify their existance.

Translation : I stole from a bank and had fun.

[icecapp]

yrs ago we went to the drag strip in badax mich, we went to stay at the hotel and my husband went to give them deposit for the room they did not even know what canadian money was, He took my husbands 20 and by the time we left it was in a frame... I swear.. then when he went to the bank, they would not take it there he had to call our bank and they did a transfer to there bank.. it was about a 30 min ordeal.. so in MN I could see them doing it.

[Daiv]

I was going to say the same thing SuperGram said - the teller asked somebody else.

I guess I'm a criminal. When I was at Walmart and the computer scanned my $20.00 item for only $10.00, I didn't jump up and say anything. I am a crook. In fact, if it's something that I use frequently and has to be replaced, I'll go and buy more just for the deal.

Call the police. Come have them arrest me. I've always liked a man in uniform anyway.

[Stickler]

I guess I'm a criminal. When I was at Walmart and the computer scanned my $20.00 item for only $10.00, I didn't jump up and say anything. I am a crook. In fact, if it's something that I use frequently and has to be replaced, I'll go and buy more just for the deal.

That happens to me all the time. Some SKU's get put under a promotion but arent tagged as a promotion. My girlfriend once bought a shirt that was priced at $10. At the cash register is came up as $3. I pointed that out to the worker and thats what she told me.

[Anapeg]

I was going to say the same thing SuperGram said - the teller asked somebody else.

I guess I'm a criminal. When I was at Walmart and the computer scanned my $20.00 item for only $10.00, I didn't jump up and say anything. I am a crook. In fact, if it's something that I use frequently and has to be replaced, I'll go and buy more just for the deal.

Call the police. Come have them arrest me. I've always liked a man in uniform anyway.

If this was reversed and you the looser, would you not be hurt, upset, put out. Would you wave to the individual while calling out "Have a wonderful day" and move on.
I must be a true oddity at least in our community. When confronted with similar situations I have always and will continue to point out discrepancies.

[NewCasa]

Anapeg, ... you wouldn't know a union man if he faarted in your face after you kissed his a$$. I wasn't hurting any union person because if they were unionized (and they may not have been), the circumstances as they presented themselves would have given reason for understanding that would have given any union representative worth their salt the evidence needed to win a grievance of diciplinary action that would have resulted from the incident. If anything, I was hurting a capitalist entity which every GOOD union person vows to do in the name of solidarity.

Pal, I personally couldn't give a rats' whatever about your little story and I highly doubt the person in Buttmunk, MI lost her job over it but to take your point, sure if I'd been her union steward and the bank gave her more than a verbal over it I'd be all over them. Sure thing.

And as far as you ripping off 'the man' and getting away with oh, at least $48.75 or whatever lynsys worked it out to, that's really awsome. I'm sure that bank is hurting bad now and we've got you to thank for it. A hero.

But I have to say, you live in what is pretty much a union town here and you said one thing that sure sticks in my craw and maybe that of a few others. You really need to NOT characterize GOOD union people as anarchists who want to destroy the companies we work for ok? The point of unions is to get a FAIR deal, not to bring down the bloody economy. Get that? It is obviously YOU who hasn't a clue about unions. Sure, there may be a few radicals, but in the main we're not out to get anyone at all. Quite the contrary - the better the company does, the better off us and our families are - at least that's how we'd like to see it.

[$Spendbender$]

:omg: You obviously missed the pic she posted of her tattoo a couple years back! LOL!!!:stongue:

*gasp*!!!

That's not still on here is it??!

Anapeg. You said I was intelligent, and pretty so no need to apologize, abjectly or otherwise.

You nailed it..lol:wink:

..and for the record, I find you one of the more palatable posters on here as well. Thank you for that.

[NewCasa]

I put a smiley face. Smiley face means I am smiling. Smiling means I am joking. Joking means I'm... **** it, i'm going to bed,...

Oh yeah, I missed that little smiley. That changes everything! Group hugs all around and have a NICE day! :tHappy:

[dancingqueen]

Is this thread really still going on?

[Daiv]

Well, it's a bit different when it's a one-on-one thing versus a big corporation store.
You might try to say it is the same, but it's really not.

Either way, though. Everybody is jumping on handyman for doing what a lot of people would do in the same situation. I don't understand where the big crime is considering she went and ASKED somebody else. How is this his issue?

I don't care what your opinion of me is. May I burn in hell for being lowlier than a common thief.

(PS. Since you mentiond spelling earlier, LOSER does not have two o's)

This whole thread is ridiculous.

[The Handyman]

Well, ... considering my intent when I first posted the thread, some people have decided to take it to a rediculous level. When someone starts calling you a thief and a liar, you get your back up.

As far as the union bit goes, I guess being a local president and standing on NATIONAL committees in one of the biggest unions in Canada means I know squat about unions. You're right, unionism is about getting a fair shake. When banks and big corporations step on us to make millions and all of a sudden we have an opportunity to claw back $50.00, that's a small step in getting that fair shake. We will never be the cause of corporations falling. History will show that to be from the likes of the multi-million dollar CEO buy-outs, etc. I am thinking somebody should approach their union for some courses about the development of capitalism vs. unions. But then again, that might be too radical. ;)

The mods can lock this thread if they want, ... fine with me. Have a nice day all.

[Konig-OV]

I was going to say the same thing SuperGram said - the teller asked somebody else.

I guess I'm a criminal. When I was at Walmart and the computer scanned my $20.00 item for only $10.00, I didn't jump up and say anything. I am a crook. In fact, if it's something that I use frequently and has to be replaced, I'll go and buy more just for the deal.

Call the police. Come have them arrest me. I've always liked a man in uniform anyway.

Yet again, another not so smart post. Walmart's inventory is computer based. If it shows up in the computer at $10, that's the price. So you're not stealing. If you bought something at Walmart, gave the cashier a 20, and she gave you back two 10's, and you didn't say anything, thats knowingly ripping them off.

[Daiv]

And I would take my two tens and walk out of the store.

At least I am honest about it.

I don't go into people's houses and steal, but if somebody makes a mistake like that, hell yeah I'll take advantage of it.

I wouldn't do it to a kid at a lemonade stand, though. Even I have some scruples.

[Daiv]

I wonder if I can find the post from a few years ago on here where somebody was pissed off because somebody at Walmart made a mistake and had an item priced WAY lower than it should have been. They were mad that they didn't get it at that price.

I am pretty sure everybody agreed THEN that it was okay to rip the company off.

[Konig-OV]

I don't care what your opinion of me is. May I burn in hell for being lowlier than a common thief.

(PS. Since you mentiond spelling earlier, LOSER does not have two o's)

This whole thread is ridiculous.

Since we are on spelling, what is lowlier?

[Konig-OV]

I wonder if I can find the post from a few years ago on here where somebody was pissed off because somebody at Walmart made a mistake and had an item priced WAY lower than it should have been. They were mad that they didn't get it at that price.

I am pretty sure everybody agreed THEN that it was okay to rip the company off.

That is a good point. Everyone's attitude changes depending on the situation. I went to purchase a sprinkler I seen at CT for $7.99, I went to go pay for it, and it rang up $23. I said, the flyer said it was $7.99. Cashier had told me it was the sale price, that will start tommorrow. I said Ok perfect, can I pay the $23 now and get the money back tommorrow? She said unfortunatley no. So I came back the next day and bought it. Another time at Walmart, I purchased a filter for my vacuum cleaner. It was listed at $5, and brought it up to the cashier and it was showing $12. I let her know that the sign said $5 and she might want to get it changed, she called support they verified and I got it for $5 anyway. But I was iwlling to pay the $12, I'm not going to throw a hissy fit over that.

[Daiv]

Since we are on spelling, what is lowlier?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lowlier
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English Dictionary

low⋅ly  /ˈloʊli/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [loh-lee] Show IPA adjective, -li⋅er, -li⋅est, adverb
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–adjective 1. humble in station, condition, or nature: a lowly cottage.
2. low in growth or position.
3. humble in attitude, behavior, or spirit; meek.

–adverb 4. in a low position, manner, or degree: a lowly placed shelf.
5. in a lowly manner; humbly.
6. in a quiet voice; softly: to converse lowly.


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Origin:
1300–50; ME; see low 1 , -ly

Related forms:

low⋅li⋅ly, adverb
low⋅li⋅ness, noun


Synonyms:
3. modest, simple, unpretentious.

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Having or suited for a low rank or position.
Humble or meek in manner.
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[Daiv]

That is a good point. Everyone's attitude changes depending on the situation. I went to purchase a sprinkler I seen at CT for $7.99, I went to go pay for it, and it rang up $23. I said, the flyer said it was $7.99. Cashier had told me it was the sale price, that will start tommorrow. I said Ok perfect, can I pay the $23 now and get the money back tommorrow? She said unfortunatley no. So I came back the next day and bought it. Another time at Walmart, I purchased a filter for my vacuum cleaner. It was listed at $5, and brought it up to the cashier and it was showing $12. I let her know that the sign said $5 and she might want to get it changed, she called support they verified and I got it for $5 anyway. But I was iwlling to pay the $12, I'm not going to throw a hissy fit over that.

I don't remember the exact situation, but it was something that was regularly a couple hundred dollars, I believe, and the sign on the box said something like $50 (dont' quote me on this, I just remember that it was way lower than the actual price). The customer in question, who also posted on here about it, was livid that they did not get it for the posted price. If I recall correctly, most of the people on SooNet jumped on board and said Walmart was wrong - it was their error - they should have given it for the price marked.

[lk_wicked]

what a silly thread. lmao talking about a molehill turning into a mountain. thanks for the chuckles. and btw, cashiers who have their floats out by 10 or 20 dollars, dont have it taken off their pay. Good gravy, its bad enough getting paid minimum rage (lol wage) without docking someone's pay for making an honest mistake. Whether its a gas attendant, cashier or bank teller, they don't dock their paychecks when the till is out. (if its out too often then thats a whole different story.)

[lk_wicked]

I just remembered an incident at zellers where a table full of towels had a sign on it that said 50% off the lowest ticket price. The lowest price on the towels was $4.99 and when the teller rang in the towels at $4.99 I corrected her, when she saw the sign, she said there was an error, I told her to go get the manager, as I want the towels at 50% off as their sign indicated. The manager gave us the towels at the 50% off of the $4.99.

[Anapeg]

what a silly thread. lmao talking about a molehill turning into a mountain. thanks for the chuckles. and BTW, cashiers who have their floats out by 10 or 20 dollars, don't have it taken off their pay. Good gravy, its bad enough getting paid minimum rage (lol wage) without docking some one's pay for making an honest mistake. Whether its a gas attendant, cashier or bank teller, they don't dock their paychecks when the till is out. (if its out too often then that's a whole different story.)

My daughter, head cashier for a large local lumber yard will contest your statement. Company policy states you find and correct the shortage or it will come off your cheque.

I had the stuffing hugged out of me last summer when the girl on the till at A.& W. gave me change for a twenty and I reminded her that I had given her a five. She informed me that she would have been expected to correct the till at the end of her shift.

Neither of these places allow the people to keep overages either.

[Daiv]

Hm. When I worked at Wendy's and Taco Bell, I never had to put any shortages in off my cheque.

If it happened frequently, they would talk to you about it, but I said that I wasnt' sharing my till anymore after that and the shortages stopped (except for maybe fifty cents or something).

[Anapeg]

but I said that I wasn't' sharing my till anymore after that and the shortages stopped (except for maybe fifty cents or something).

Precisely why each individual carries their till to breaks. It IS your till till shift end. The lumber yard in question (one of three actively using this policy) has had people quit over discrepancies large enough to be a burden only to find charges laid in one instance.

[Konig-OV]

I don't remember the exact situation, but it was something that was regularly a couple hundred dollars, I believe, and the sign on the box said something like $50 (dont' quote me on this, I just remember that it was way lower than the actual price). The customer in question, who also posted on here about it, was livid that they did not get it for the posted price. If I recall correctly, most of the people on SooNet jumped on board and said Walmart was wrong - it was their error - they should have given it for the price marked.

Yes I do believe, it was last summer and an airconditioning unit? Wasn't it?

[Konig-OV]

I remember this one.

http://www.soonet.ca/showthread.php?t=28525&highlight=advertised+price

Fighting over the price of meat.

[Daiv]

Precisely why each individual carries their till to breaks. It IS your till till shift end. The lumber yard in question (one of three actively using this policy) has had people quit over discrepancies large enough to be a burden only to find charges laid in one instance.
Yes, but sometimes people jump on your till without you knowing. You have to run to the waashroom or you have a break. The managers don't always let you switch your till just for five minutes. Especially at a place like Tim Hortons.


Yes I do believe, it was last summer and an airconditioning unit? Wasn't it?
And yes, I believe you're right. I wouldn't want to say positive, but that rings a bell.

[lk_wicked]

well, all i can say is that, no one should be accountable for funds short on a till, if more then one person is on it. that's just wrong. how can a company take it off your cheque, if other people are on your till.

[Super Gram]

Legally they can't. My Gson worked the gas pumps at a gas station. He was short and the owner made him run his debit card to give the money back He had the key to the till but guys from the garage were in and out of where the cash box was. My daughter in law went and talked to the owner and reminded him her son was a student and he made him use his debit card to pay the shortage. He gave her the money back.

[Stickler]

Legally they can't. My Gson worked the gas pumps at a gas station. He was short and the owner made him run his debit card to give the money back He had the key to the till but guys from the garage were in and out of where the cash box was. My daughter in law went and talked to the owner and reminded him her son was a student and he made him use his debit card to pay the shortage. He gave her the money back.

Actually this is a common practice in almost any business that has employees handle cash. I personally have seen it happen and have forced it to happen aswell.

[Dragonfly]

I work with money everyday and we dont do that. If its short its short. If it happens alll the time then yeah cuz either your a dummy or a theif, otherwise no, he has never ever docked us

[NewCasa]

As far as the union bit goes, I guess being a local president and standing on NATIONAL committees in one of the biggest unions in Canada means I know squat about unions. You're right, unionism is about getting a fair shake. When banks and big corporations step on us to make millions and all of a sudden we have an opportunity to claw back $50.00, that's a small step in getting that fair shake. We will never be the cause of corporations falling. History will show that to be from the likes of the multi-million dollar CEO buy-outs, etc. I am thinking somebody should approach their union for some courses about the development of capitalism vs. unions. But then again, that might be too radical. ;)

Pal if you're in charge of a local union and you represent the members on NATIONAL committees I'm extremely sorry to hear that. I would be the last person to make any excuses for the people who make millions of dollars a year on the workers' backs, but to say that it's the job of a GOOD union member to stick it to the company is also wrong and two wrongs don't make a right. Right to strike does not equate to duty to strike, right?

And as far as the history of unions and the development of capitalism goes they are two separate subjects. I believe you're talking about the development of unions vs. management in the context of capitalism. I'm sure you'll recall that if you think back to your coursework in political science, industrial relations and economics.

[Mr belsito]

I went to wallmart a few weeks ago in soo mich, they didnt charge me for an 18 pack of bud lite. I was happy

[The Handyman]

Pal if you're in charge of a local union and you represent the members on NATIONAL committees I'm extremely sorry to hear that. I would be the last person to make any excuses for the people who make millions of dollars a year on the workers' backs, but to say that it's the job of a GOOD union member to stick it to the company is also wrong and two wrongs don't make a right. Right to strike does not equate to duty to strike, right?

And as far as the history of unions and the development of capitalism goes they are two separate subjects. I believe you're talking about the development of unions vs. management in the context of capitalism. I'm sure you'll recall that if you think back to your coursework in political science, industrial relations and economics.

Both your statements are fair, but I guess my point is being misunderstood. An employer will "stick it" (as you put it) to a GOOD union member every chance they get, so as the saying goes, .... all is fair in love and war. Two wrongs don't make a right, but many times two wrongs are necessary to make a point, .... we aren't going to be pushed around. That is how the game is played, .... perhaps sad, but true. On your second point, ... striking for the sake of striking was never advocated. A strike hurts members in the short term, so the ability to negotiate a fair collective agreement without a strike is always a unions number one goal. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen. Remember, strikes are voted on by the membership, not dictated by the union executives. Unionism at it's best!

I have a graduate certificate in Labour Sociology from Athabasca College so I am pretty certain my understanding of the development of unions and capitalism is sound. There were unions before capitalist entities became corporations or developed management teams. There were unions before the industrial revolution and the need for industrial relations. Unions were born out of capitalism, ... often seen as the necessary balance to not only slow down capitalist steam-rolling, but needed to maintain capitalism (Huegot's capitalism paradox).

I could go on for some time, but I don't think I am changing you mind any time soon, ... so I think we will have to agree to disagree.

[KDawg]

An employer will "stick it" (as you put it) to a GOOD union member every chance they get, so as the saying goes, .... all is fair in love and war.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Employers treat "good" union members the same as the puppy-producers because they are forced to... Collective Agreements say so. Can an employer give a raise to the union member that busts their hump day to day and stays an extra 15 or 20 minutes at the end of their shift to get the job done? Not on your life.


There were unions before capitalist entities became corporations or developed management teams....Unions were born out of capitalism, ...

So which is it?

[The Handyman]

You couldn't be more wrong.

Employers treat "good" union members the same as the puppy-producers because they are forced to... Collective Agreements say so. Can an employer give a raise to the union member that busts their hump day to day and stays an extra 15 or 20 minutes at the end of their shift to get the job done? Not on your life.

Either you live in LaLa Land or have never been involved with a union. Employers will let the a$$-kissing workers get away with anything that isn't covered in a collective agreement while coming down hard on the GOOD union member for petty things they would never think of going after the a$$-kisser for. I can remember representing a GOOD union member fighting a three day suspension because that member wore their socks too low (a part of the dress code at work that was never, I repeat, never enforced). As I walked into the supervisor's office for the grievance hearing, I passed an a$$-kissing member not only wearing their socks too low, but had two different socks on. Needless to say, .... grievance sustained. The incident never should have gone to the grievance stage, but the employer chose to try and make life miserable for this worker.

Your second point exposes you to the fact you know little of collective agreements and how they work. The union will grieve the fact that the hump-busting worker worked an extra 15 or 20 minutes and the employer will have to pay over-time to that worker. The employer will in turn tell the hump-busting worker not to work past their scheduled shift so that they don't have to pay over-time. The hump-busting worker will either continue to bust their hump to the point of injuring themselves or having a nervous breakdown, or they SHOULD approach their union to try and have their workload reduced or extra help hired to make it possible for them to put in a NORMAL workday. Since the employer can be criminally liable (under the Westray Mine Bill) for an employee becoming injured when they are fully aware the possibility exists due to their neglegence, most employers will work with the union to resolve the issue. Collective Agreements 101, Pal! ;)

[KDawg]

Either you live in LaLa Land or have never been involved with a union. Employers will let the a$$-kissing workers get away with anything that isn't covered in a collective agreement while coming down hard on the GOOD union member for petty things they would never think of going after the a$$-kisser for. I can remember representing a GOOD union member fighting a three day suspension because that member wore their socks too low (a part of the dress code at work that was never, I repeat, never enforced). As I walked into the supervisor's office for the grievance hearing, I passed an a$$-kissing member not only wearing their socks too low, but had two different socks on. Needless to say, .... grievance sustained. The incident never should have gone to the grievance stage, but the employer chose to try and make life miserable for this worker.

My point was about collective agreements not allowing good union members to be recognized by their employers --- of course there are pinhead bosses out there, unionized or not. But you didn't answer my question, "Can an employer give a raise to the union member that busts their hump day to day and stays an extra 15 or 20 minutes at the end of their shift to get the job done?"


Your second point exposes you to the fact you know little of collective agreements and how they work. The union will grieve the fact that the hump-busting worker worked an extra 15 or 20 minutes and the employer will have to pay over-time to that worker. The employer will in turn tell the hump-busting worker not to work past their scheduled shift so that they don't have to pay over-time. The hump-busting worker will either continue to bust their hump to the point of injuring themselves or having a nervous breakdown, or they SHOULD approach their union to try and have their workload reduced or extra help hired to make it possible for them to put in a NORMAL workday. Since the employer can be criminally liable (under the Westray Mine Bill) for an employee becoming injured when they are fully aware the possibility exists due to their neglegence, most employers will work with the union to resolve the issue. Collective Agreements 101, Pal! ;)

I know more about collective agreements and how they work than you think. I was referring to people that put in a good day's work -- not working people until they end up in a loony bin! Let's keep this within the realm of reality, shall we? Your whole second paragraph does nothing to dispel the stereotype that unions protect puppy-producers. Good members are brought down to their level -- bad (useless) members are not brought up to a higher standard.

[Anapeg]

Good members are brought down to their level -- bad (useless) members are not brought up to a higher standard.

And therein lies the crux of the problem in my opinion. Where is the incentive for individual accomplishment. How can I as an employer recognize the extra effort put forth by an individual, such as a night out for him/her and their significant other with out the union demanding parody?
With a union entrenched I can acknowledge neither good work ethic or poor work ethic. Sometimes a slap on the back and an "at-ta boy" doesn't convey the gratitude I feel. Handing out an extra "bonus" would be met with a union upheaval.

[NewCasa]

And therein lies the crux of the problem in my opinion. Where is the incentive for individual accomplishment. How can I as an employer recognize the extra effort put forth by an individual, such as a night out for him/her and their significant other with out the union demanding parody?
With a union entrenched I can acknowledge neither good work ethic or poor work ethic. Sometimes a slap on the back and an "at-ta boy" doesn't convey the gratitude I feel. Handing out an extra "bonus" would be met with a union upheaval.

A lot of it depends on the union. Some unions have developed a tradition of us vs them and the reactionary, activist attitudes that go along with that. I'm not saying that's the unions' fault either, often it's a historical thing that goes back to the reason the union was created in the first place. Other unions, though have a much more collegial approach to things and would prefer to act in a professional manner with a strike being almost unthinkable. These unions will allow much more lattitude on the part of the employer in terms of rewarding individual efforts and will sometimes even participate in the reward process itself.

[The Handyman]

A lot of it depends on the union. Some unions have developed a tradition of us vs them and the reactionary, activist attitudes that go along with that. I'm not saying that's the unions' fault either, often it's a historical thing that goes back to the reason the union was created in the first place. Other unions, though have a much more collegial approach to things and would prefer to act in a professional manner with a strike being almost unthinkable. These unions will allow much more lattitude on the part of the employer in terms of rewarding individual efforts and will sometimes even participate in the reward process itself.

Like I said before, .... we obviously will not convince each other that our opinion is right. Maybe someday we can sit over a beer and discuss this were we can elaborate a lot easier than a keyboard will allow. Unionism is always a heated debate even within the same union, .... spent many a night at the Union Hall bar downstairs after a union meeting having better dialog than what was a the original meeting.

[1337]

One thing we all can agree on, theft is theft. Stealing from a bank, store, family member. Taking what isn't your's is theft :)

Nuff' said! LOL

[The Handyman]

And therein lies the crux of the problem in my opinion. Where is the incentive for individual accomplishment. How can I as an employer recognize the extra effort put forth by an individual, such as a night out for him/her and their significant other with out the union demanding parody?
With a union entrenched I can acknowledge neither good work ethic or poor work ethic. Sometimes a slap on the back and an "at-ta boy" doesn't convey the gratitude I feel. Handing out an extra "bonus" would be met with a union upheaval.

Rewards aren't necessary, just a fair collective agreement and the just interpretation of it.

The honest hard working indivual you speak of doesn't go to work to be recognized as being "special", ... just wants to put in their hours and get out of there. If they want anything more out of it, they start a$$-kissing and become management.

On the other hand, contrary to popular belief, unions generally don't coddle to slackers (or puppy producers as they have been called). Dispite their work ethic, if these "slackers" are wronged under the collective agreement, we will support them as we would any other member. If they use their poor work ethic to put undue responsibilty on another member or try to get out of work, we take them aside and lay the law down to them. A union representative or executive has to establish a level of credibility with the management they deal with, otherwise everything ends up going to the grievance level.

Managements like to deal with workers one on one, not as a means "reward" good performance, but rather to use the old stand-by of "divide and conquer". Many collective agreements have clauses in them to deal with one-on-one scenarios and how to avoid them. The union represents ALL the members as a collective, not as individual pockets of a membership.

Most of the "slackers" either end up quitting or getting fired (for things the union can't and won't defend them on such as theft or violence). That being said, the majority of workers in a workforce are usually of the honest hard-working type. If you want to reward them, give everyone a decent pay raise come contract time, rather than individual "rewards" for a few.

[The Handyman]

One thing we all can agree on, theft is theft. Stealing from a bank, store, family member. Taking what isn't your's is theft :)

Nuff' said! LOL

You really don't read well, do you?

I stated I was quite willing to pay any exchange rate, the bank didn't ask for it.

I think it was just the banks way of saying," Thank you for shopping in America ;)".

Give the "theft" angle a rest, it doesn't hold water, ..... a sieve like your brain! LOL

[Giggle Squirt]

I have found that travelling throught the states myself, alot of places (even banks) don't even know the exchange rate for canadian and will not exchange it. Michigan isn't too bad but further down it sucks.

[KDawg]

Rewards aren't necessary, just a fair collective agreement and the just interpretation of it...

Managements like to deal with workers one on one, not as a means "reward" good performance, but rather to use the old stand-by of "divide and conquer". Many collective agreements have clauses in them to deal with one-on-one scenarios and how to avoid them. The union represents ALL the members as a collective, not as individual pockets of a membership.

Right. That's the "Us vs. Them" mentality. Why should individual achievement be bad as far as unions are concerned?


Most of the "slackers" either end up quitting or getting fired (for things the union can't and won't defend them on such as theft or violence). That being said, the majority of workers in a workforce are usually of the honest hard-working type. If you want to reward them, give everyone a decent pay raise come contract time, rather than individual "rewards" for a few.

Getting fired for theft or violence should be a no-brainer. What exactly is wrong with individual rewards for those who do an outstanding job?

[1337]

You really don't read well, do you?

I stated I was quite willing to pay any exchange rate, the bank didn't ask for it.

I think it was just the banks way of saying," Thank you for shopping in America ;)".

Give the "theft" angle a rest, it doesn't hold water, ..... a sieve like your brain! LOL

Ok, because my brain is a sieve, and doesn't hold 'water'. I'll have to right this down. Knowingly ripping off a bank isn't stealing. Got it, you won't hear another word from me :)

[Andre]

How is it ripping off the bank when they were the ones that stated the exchange?
He didn't go in with a gun. He went into some podunk bank were they couldn't bother looking up the exchange or filling out the paper work to exchange it so they gave him the money at par value.
Exactly where is the crime here?

[lk_wicked]

Once I was travelling through the states to come home to the sault. I passed Grayling, and bought gas at a gas station there. The total came up to something like $25 American. I gave the employee $40.00 Canadian. He asked me for an additional $20.00. Not knowing the exchange rate, or how to calculate it, I gave it to him. Then continued on my way home, upset because I knew I had been taken advantage of, but without the knowledge of "how much" what could I say to argue. Thinking of my dilemma, I was speeding and pulled over by a cop. When he asked me why I was speeding, I told him about the gas attendant and stated I knew I was ripped off, but didnt know by how much. The officer took my name, number and address and said he would send me the money. (I didnt think it would happen) But was surprised a short time later, when the money arrived in the mail. This happened about 20 years ago. oh and for good measure, the cop never ticketted me for speeding. lol

[The Handyman]

Right. That's the "Us vs. Them" mentality. Why should individual achievement be bad as far as unions are concerned?

Because being a union isn't about individuality but about being a collective....


Getting fired for theft or violence should be a no-brainer. What exactly is wrong with individual rewards for those who do an outstanding job?

What is wrong is, where do you draw the line as to what constitutes an "outstanding job". I know numerous workers at my workplace that do an outstanding job yet the management would never consider them candidates for rewards because they know they can count on them to do a great job day in and day out. It is the a$$-kisser that does the great job they feel they have to reward otherwise they will become slackers.

The "reward" concept is too arbitrary and is left to the wimb of the employer as to who gets it. In a union shop, "rewards" are controlled by the collective agreement, which is voted on and accepted by all parties involved.

The next time your union is looking for members to attend the Ontario Federation of Labour Convention (there is one being held this fall), volunteer to be a delegate. The horror stories you hear will make your head spin. If you really think a employer gives a rat's a$$ about the well-being of a worker, you do live in a fairy tale. Managers worry about their a$$ being fired every day because all the employer worries about is the almighty dollar.

[The Handyman]

You couldn't be more wrong.

Employers treat "good" union members the same as the puppy-producers because they are forced to... Collective Agreements say so. Can an employer give a raise to the union member that busts their hump day to day and stays an extra 15 or 20 minutes at the end of their shift to get the job done? Not on your life.

I tend to give some responses the same reference point when I respond to them.

When someone like Anapeg responds and I don't agree with him, I might cut him some slack in my agressiveness of my response because he is 57 years old and has been around the block once or twice, .... experience means a lot.

When I have someone like KDawg blurting out statements like this and I find out they are 23 years old, ... I have to think, "STFU and respond in 10 or 20 years when you have been around the block at least ONCE!".

[Slow]

When I have someone like KDawg blurting out statements like this and I find out they are 23 years old, ... I have to think, "STFU and respond in 10 or 20 years when you have been around the block at least ONCE!".

Damn, Handy, I don't know if you're married or not, and I'm assuming you're a rabid heterosexual like me, but I'm proposing right here, on the spot.

That may be the greatest post in Internet history!!

[Slow]

I have found that travelling throught the states myself, alot of places (even banks) don't even know the exchange rate for canadian and will not exchange it. Michigan isn't too bad but further down it sucks.

If someone stopped by a bank up here and tried to exchange the Mexican Peso for dollars, how many bankers would know the rate?

Same concept.

[$Spendbender$]

You really don't read well, do you?


Give the "theft" angle a rest, it doesn't hold water, ..... a sieve like your brain! LOL

I read very well, and perhaps fraud is a better descriptor.

Either way, you're a despicable person.

From Wikipedia


In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception) made for personal gain or to damage another individual. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime), and is also a civil law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(common_law)) violation. Many hoaxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax) are fraudulent, although those not made for personal gain are not technically frauds. Defrauding people of money is presumably the most common type of fraud, but there have also been many fraudulent "discoveries" in art (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_forgery), archaeology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeological_forgery), and science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_fraud).

[Anapeg]

I tend to give some responses the same reference point when I respond to them.

When someone like Anapeg responds and I don't agree with him, I might cut him some slack in my aggressiveness of my response because he is 57 years old and has been around the block once or twice, .... experience means a lot.

When I have someone like KDawg blurting out statements like this and I find out they are 23 years old, ... I have to think, "STFU and respond in 10 or 20 years when you have been around the block at least ONCE!".

Anyone who knocks two plus years off me is aces in my book! I've been on both sides and both have valid points. In the end we have to work toward a common goal or the rewards, mental as well as physical are not worth the effort. It should never, ever be you against me but rather us against failure. One would have bupkiss without the other. Symbiosis at it's best.

[dancingqueen]

I read very well, and perhaps fraud is a better descriptor.

Either way, you're a despicable person.

From Wikipedia


In the broadest sense, a fraud is an intentional deception (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception) made for personal gain or to damage another individual. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime), and is also a civil law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_(common_law)) violation. Many hoaxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoax) are fraudulent, although those not made for personal gain are not technically frauds. Defrauding people of money is presumably the most common type of fraud, but there have also been many fraudulent "discoveries" in art (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_forgery), archaeology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeological_forgery), and science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_fraud).

there was no deception, he was quite up front and honest from the start. acknowledged there is an exchange rate, asked what it was (banks job to know that, not a customer's job) was told they do not bother and knowing there was an exchange rate offered at par.

Are patrons of the Back door or the Savoy committing fraud because the bars offer Canadian money at par and they take advantage of that?
Cause I don't see the difference really.

[Super Gram]

there was no deception, he was quite up front and honest from the start. acknowledged there is an exchange rate, asked what it was (banks job to know that, not a customer's job) was told they do not bother and knowing there was an exchange rate offered at par.

Are patrons of the Back door or the Savoy committing fraud because the bars offer Canadian money at par and they take advantage of that?
Cause I don't see the difference really.


I agree 100% with you DQ. Or maybe Handyman should have figured out the exchange and stuck up her "you know what."

[Huggy85]

Actually this is a common practice in almost any business that has employees handle cash. I personally have seen it happen and have forced it to happen aswell.

I don't know what the rules are in the US, but it Canada it is against the Employment Standards Act http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_00e41_e.htm#BK18 for an employer to withhold money from someone's paycheck because of till shortages. Refer to Part VI, Section 13, Subsection 5 (b)(ii)

Employee authorization

(3) An employer may withhold or make a deduction from an employee’s wages or cause the employee to return them with the employee’s written authorization. 2000

Same

(5) Subsection (3) does not apply if,

(a) the employee’s authorization does not refer to a specific amount or provide a formula from which a specific amount may be calculated;

(b) the employee’s wages were withheld, deducted or required to be returned,

(i) because of faulty work,

(ii) because the employer had a cash shortage, lost property or had property stolen and a person other than the employee had access to the cash or property

[dancingqueen]

I agree 100% with you DQ. Or maybe Handyman should have figured out the exchange and stuck up her "you know what."

yes, it seems, we, as the customer are required to know all things about all people's jobs at all times, and we even ought to know things more than the professionals, that is why there are so many medical specialists, legal aids, Child care specialists here... I mean we don't all have this as a job, but everyone knows everything about all of that...
sheeesh lol
The internet has made everyone an expert on everything.

[The Handyman]

there was no deception, he was quite up front and honest from the start. acknowledged there is an exchange rate, asked what it was (banks job to know that, not a customer's job) was told they do not bother and knowing there was an exchange rate offered at par.

Are patrons of the Back door or the Savoy committing fraud because the bars offer Canadian money at par and they take advantage of that?
Cause I don't see the difference really.

Thank you DQ and Grams, .... I'm getting tired of biting my tongue, ...

Hey Slow, .... sorry, ... happily married to the same woman for 31 years, ..... thanks for the offer though ;)

[Andre]

I had no idea so many people had me on ignore

[dancingqueen]

I had no idea so many people had me on ignore

I don't have you on ignore :) :boy_hug:

[Anapeg]

I don't know what the rules are in the US, but it Canada it is against the Employment Standards Act http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_00e41_e.htm#BK18 for an employer to withhold money from some one's paycheck because of till shortages. Refer to Part VI, Section 13, Subsection 5 (b)(ii)

Employee authorization

(3) An employer may withhold or make a deduction from an employee’s wages or cause the employee to return them with the employee’s written authorization. 2000

Same

(5) Subsection (3) does not apply if,

(a) the employee’s authorization does not refer to a specific amount or provide a formula from which a specific amount may be calculated;

(b) the employee’s wages were withheld, deducted or required to be returned,

(i) because of faulty work,

(ii) because the employer had a cash shortage, lost property or had property stolen and a person other than the employee had access to the cash or property




And yet it happens. Isn't that odd, people operating outside the law I mean?