Finally the police did something about this begger

[TheManInBlack]

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=41281

How many of us have been hit up with her bull stories

[SarahMorrison]

I actually called the cops on a guy I kept running into at the Churchill Plaza (east end) that was doing the same thing. Once he said he needed money for gas because his wife and two kids were in an accident on the highway and he didn't have money or gas to get there. Funny thing is that he was driving a really nice new minivan, and looked very clean-cut ... I was thinking "don't you have a credit card?". Another time my sister was stopped by him, outside of A&P. He had a boston terrier with him (expensive dogs) and he was outside with this dog ALL DAY in the rain and cold, telling people he needed money for dog food. When I went there with my sister to get a few things and he was still there, we decided to call the police.

I'm not sure if he was charged or anything though, I didn't hear/see anything about it afterwards.

Pretty sad that people are doing that kind of thing.

[lynys]

That chick was at my inlaws asking for money. (she is blonde right?)

Anyway, told father-in-law to tell her to get lost, so he did. :)

[Mr belsito]

She lives on pleasant, the p patch. Why should she beg for money, parents dont give her enough money?

[Luv'inLife]

I think this has already been covered on here, she is apparently an addict, at 19 why would her parents still be held responsible for her action? Hopefully if nothing else comes of this, she at least get treatment.

[b&aMom]

That chick was at my inlaws asking for money. (she is blonde right?)



Nope. Very pleasant looking brunette.

[dancingqueen]

who knew... lying is a crime...
I wonder why our political leaders are never held to the same standard....

[Super Gram]

:omg::sad:

[Hugh Jass]

This poor girl more than likely has some issues. Why is everyone so quick to judge?

[Flipper1]

:smile:
That chick was at my inlaws asking for money. (she is blonde right?)

Anyway, told father-in-law to tell her to get lost, so he did. :)

You told your father in law to tell her to get lost? thats called the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Flipper1]

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=41281

How many of us have been hit up with her bull stories

What if this was your daughter down and out? dont let your left hand know what your right hand is doing shalome

[Krysta]

If it where my daughter I would tell her to get a job like I have too.

[lynys]

:smile:

You told your father in law to tell her to get lost? thats called the BLIND LEADING THE BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, it's called not giving money away to someone who is breaking the law. Was this young lady arrested for doing what she was doing? Yes. So therefore, it is obvious illegal to do what they are doing.

Seeing as the one who was charged was a brunette, there are two young ladies out there who are breaking the law.

That, my friend, is shameful behaviour, and I for one will not throw my hard earned dollars away on someone who is quite capable of working themselves.

[GRUMPY]

To think that I got jumped upon by a drama queen and all I did was start a thread about stupid people being swept off of the shore and drowned after being told to stay away from the area. I sure hope that no one on here has to go through what these families are going through due to their kids being addicts (and the is the truth). That is the only nice thing about junkies its open to everyone,from the mixed up kids in the Soo to the so-called king of pop it knows no boundaries.

[Flipper1]

No, it's called not giving money away to someone who is breaking the law. Was this young lady arrested for doing what she was doing? Yes. So therefore, it is obvious illegal to do what they are doing.

Seeing as the one who was charged was a brunette, there are two young ladies out there who are breaking the law.

That, my friend, is shameful behaviour, and I for one will not throw my hard earned dollars away on someone who is quite capable of working themselves.

Lay not up for youselves treasures upon earth were moth and rust corrupt. Were your treasure is your heart is.Im wondering what law, Caesars,render to Caesars what is Caesars and give me all the rest.

[xXx Duffy xXx]

Nope. Very pleasant looking brunette.

Sexy? Single? I'll bail her out.

[Habitz]

This girl is most definitely a blond. I assume she dyed her hair (looks dyed). Look her up on the internet and see what you find. Her photo is out there.

Tormented Soul, I hope you have the money, drugs and a lot of gas in your vehicle to keep her happy. Look her up!

[xXx Duffy xXx]

hahaha I've dated plenty of women like that. No thanks. I'll pass

[Habitz]

hahaha I've dated plenty of women like that. No thanks. I'll pass

Good call.

[GoldDogs]

Why does everybody try to stick up for people because they have 'problems'. If people have a problem they should act like a grown up and get help -before- getting charged. Or even just try to talk to someone about it. Besides, she is 19. Old enough to know better, old enough to be charged.

If you want to be a troublemaker, then you deserve the trouble you make. She made trouble, she got trouble.

I am getting really tired of people saying that someone's crime is a result of that person's 'problem'. Like.... for example, this girl didn't have enough money. Was that her problem? Most of the time the problem is the person. That is my opinion.

[dancingqueen]

Actually, I know a lot of people who have lied... perhaps I should turn them in... are their different degrees of lying? is a white lie less of an offence that an out right lie? Is it illegal to avoid the truth?
Or does it just depend on how many people are displeased with the lie?


charged her with two counts of false pretenses
What a ridiculous, and pathetic charge for someone, I am curious where in Law it says lying is a crime...
I Googled the term by the way and think it is a little embarrassing that a Sault Ste. Marie Article is the first thing to come up.. ON GOOGLE, The whole world is on there! I saw other articles, sure... you know, people under false pretenses committing crimes... Asking for money is not a crime though last I heard...
Even if it is in the law books, no one else enforces it, except Sault Ste. Marie... interesting....

[GoldDogs]

Are you kidding me, DQ? She is obviously causing a problem if most of the city's population knows of her. There is a huge difference between a 'white lie' and a lie that causes people to act in a way they wouldn't normally act - such as giving away money.

Would you like to have people coming up to you and asking you for money in the parking lot when you go shopping? How about people washing your windshield at a red light and then trying to get you to pay? Would you like to give money to someone you thought really needed it and then find out that that person used it for drugs, or alcohol or something else that can potentially cause harm?

If they don't start doing something about it now, then it is just going to get worse. Do you really want to live in a city full of beggars who don't actually need to beg and are just doing it because its an easy way to get money? I don't.

[wiener]

oh DQ, always trying to be the great public defender....soliciting for money is illegal... she is lucky that they didnt charge her with prostitution cuz from what I heard. she was more then willing to reciprocate dependiong on who she was asking.

[dancingqueen]

so lying is illegal?

[Big Guy]

DQ the charge is not simple lying; the news release says false pretenses. It should have read "Personation" which is covered by Sections 403 to 405 of the Criminal Code of Canada deal with "Personation".

Under Section 403 ("Personation with intent"), it states: "Every one who fraudulently personates any person, living or dead,

a) with intent to gain advantage for himself or another person,

b) with intent to obtain any property or an interest in any property, or

c) with intent to cause disadvantage to the person whom he personates or another person

Regardless, the specific charges will be read in open court.

[KDawg]

What a ridiculous, and pathetic charge for someone, I am curious where in Law it says lying is a crime...
I Googled the term by the way and think it is a little embarrassing that a Sault Ste. Marie Article is the first thing to come up.. ON GOOGLE, The whole world is on there! I saw other articles, sure... you know, people under false pretenses committing crimes... Asking for money is not a crime though last I heard...
Even if it is in the law books, no one else enforces it, except Sault Ste. Marie... interesting....

What's the alternative?

Was she begging for money to put food on her table? I doubt it. Someone earlier mentioned she's an addict. If the police let this girl continue doing what she was doing she'd probably be dead from an overdose within a couple of years. Maybe now she can get some help (I doubt she has a choice anymore, but that's good).

[GRUMPY]

DQ no matter how trivial you may think that the crime may be it is still a crime. However if they are able to pile as many as they can on her it "might" lead to her turning her life around by seeking help.

[everywoman]

Argh. I have bitten my tongue a hundred times and not responded to this thread! It's hard not to say something. This girl is my good friends daughter, and yes, the topic has been covered. She is an addict, and her behavior is driven by her addiction to prescription drugs. No one feels she is exempt from the law by any means. It's just sad, sad, sad.

[GRUMPY]

It is a very sad situation that can at any time strike ANY family.So I just hope that some day those who have no compassion for the situation never find themselves on the other side of it with any of their family.

[NewCasa]

so lying is illegal?

Fraud:

1 a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fraud

[Stickler]

DQ....always playing the Devils advocate. Begging someone for money when you obviously arent going to use it for what you mentioned is acting under false pretenses. It may be a petty crime but a crime nonetheless. What if she stole a few bags of chips from Macs and got charged for theft under. I mean it would only have been a few bags of chips. The only victim would have been "the man". Would you still stick up for her then?

[Stickler]

so lying is illegal?

If you lie to a police officer about your identity, you get charged. So yes, lying can be illegal

[NewCasa]

The way I see it, this could have been one of my kids. My heart goes out to her and to her parents and loved ones. I think anyone who sees it otherwise just hasn't seen enough of life to have learned tolerance and compassion. For them I have a quote I heard from someone when I was this girls' age.

'There, but for the grace of God go I.'

[Bluesky]

Sometimes the best way to help someone like this is to make them face the consequences of their actions, a la tough love. Let's hope this works as a wakeup call.

[lynys]

After doing a quick search of her on the Facebook, I can say one hundred percent that she IS the girl who walked into my inlaws backyard, while my father in law was out back having a smoke. She is the girl who passed along a sob story looking for money. When my father in law came in to ask if we had any money, I looked out at this young girl, and told him no, tell her to get lost. I then explained to him that I had read all about this young lady, and her addiction, and that I would not help contribute to it.

As the photo I saw shows, she is most definitely blonde now.

[dancingqueen]

So we have established that lying is illegal...
I wonder why other people are not held to the same standard...
Lots of people lie, do they not?
She was charged on two counts of "False pretenses"
Not Fraud, obviously if that where the case she would have been charged with two counts of fraud, not "False Pretenses"
I just think that it is silly to be charged with said violation when people we run into everyday lie.
perhaps I should call the police whenever someone lies to me now?
or should I just do it when "lots" of people are annoyed with the person?
If I where a cynic, I might lead to an assumption that she was actually charged for this because she was un popular.
people make false pretenses all the time. many of which are in political offices.

[1337]

To think that I got jumped upon by a drama queen and all I did was start a thread about stupid people being swept off of the shore and drowned after being told to stay away from the area. I sure hope that no one on here has to go through what these families are going through due to their kids being addicts (and the is the truth). That is the only nice thing about junkies its open to everyone,from the mixed up kids in the Soo to the so-called king of pop it knows no boundaries.


Listen here Throbby. You called a 7 year old girl who drowned stupid. Drama queen? Better than a sex offender.

[1337]

So we have established that lying is illegal...
I wonder why other people are not held to the same standard...
Lots of people lie, do they not?
She was charged on two counts of "False pretenses"
Not Fraud, obviously if that where the case she would have been charged with two counts of fraud, not "False Pretenses"
I just think that it is silly to be charged with said violation when people we run into everyday lie.
perhaps I should call the police whenever someone lies to me now?
or should I just do it when "lots" of people are annoyed with the person?
If I where a cynic, I might lead to an assumption that she was actually charged for this because she was un popular.
people make false pretenses all the time. many of which are in political offices.

Read the whole story. She was charged with soliciting money under false pretenses.

[1337]

It is a very sad situation that can at any time strike ANY family.So I just hope that some day those who have no compassion for the situation never find themselves on the other side of it with any of their family.

Yeah, just like a family who gets swept away, and a 7 year old girl drowns, and you call them stupid.

I hope you are never found on that side of the fence.

[KDawg]

So we have established that lying is illegal...
I wonder why other people are not held to the same standard...
Lots of people lie, do they not?
She was charged on two counts of "False pretenses"
Not Fraud, obviously if that where the case she would have been charged with two counts of fraud, not "False Pretenses"
I just think that it is silly to be charged with said violation when people we run into everyday lie.
perhaps I should call the police whenever someone lies to me now?
or should I just do it when "lots" of people are annoyed with the person?
If I where a cynic, I might lead to an assumption that she was actually charged for this because she was un popular.
people make false pretenses all the time. many of which are in political offices.

DQ, I think the big picture here is that this girl is getting a second chance. She's been arrested under what could be called a stupid law, but this could be a blessing for her.

You don't think she should have been allowed to keep going the way she was, do you? I'm pretty critical of the police, but in this case, I'd like to think they were thinking the same way, and looking out for her best interests.

[dancingqueen]

DQ, I think the big picture here is that this girl is getting a second chance. She's been arrested under what could be called a stupid law, but this could be a blessing for her.

You don't think she should have been allowed to keep going the way she was, do you? I'm pretty critical of the police, but in this case, I'd like to think they were thinking the same way, and looking out for her best interests.

I sure do agree with the big picture, and it is too bad The situation that she found herself in for whatever reason. I hope she gets help, and is able to be rehabilitated into society. the charges, however did not need to be made, I believe she had a possession charge, that I think would have been enough, I don't think it was necessary to put on additional B.S charges. I call that "Kicking someone when they are down"

[GRUMPY]

Sometimes it takes a good kicking before they see the light. I agree with the charges and only wish that they could have charged her with more of them, not to be mean or to kick her when see is down but in the hopes that it might get through to her that she needs to get help. You can take as many people as you want and send them away to be detoxed and straightened out but until it is their idea it is just a waste of time.

[GRUMPY]

Listen here Throbby. You called a 7 year old girl who drowned stupid. Drama queen? Better than a sex offender.


listen queenie the mistake I made was assuming that all on here had more than 2 active brain cells and I totally forgot about your shortages in that department.

[1337]

I could be 10 cells short, but I still wouldn't call a 7 year old girl stupid for drowning.

[dancingqueen]

until it is their idea it is just a waste of time.

Or they get charged for lying?

[1337]

They didn't get charged for lying. She got charged for soliciting money under false pretenses. Why twist words to your liking? LOL

[lk_wicked]

so lying is illegal?

its not just lying, its fraud. how about the canvassers claiming to want money for charities meanwhile they are not honestly canvassing for said charity.

how about not enabling addicts.

how about letting people who are mentally challenged grab people by their genitals (pinching asses or breasts... because they don't know any better.)

sure people have problems, in this day who doesnt. here is a fresh brand new idea. how about making people of all ages accountable for their own actions, instead of blaming the victims, the parents, the teachers, etc.....

lying and profitting from lying is fraud.

how about those people who fraudulently use the system, disability and OW to get money when they are commonlaw with spouses who work and make more then enough to live on.

and the list goes on......

where do you draw the lines?

its all good and fine to be a bleeding heart, but lets help those who are willing to help themselves.

[Hugh Jass]

its not just lying, its fraud. how about the canvassers claiming to want money for charities meanwhile they are not honestly canvassing for said charity.

how about not enabling addicts.

how about letting people who are mentally challenged grab people by their genitals (pinching asses or breasts... because they don't know any better.)

sure people have problems, in this day who doesnt. here is a fresh brand new idea. how about making people of all ages accountable for their own actions, instead of blaming the victims, the parents, the teachers, etc.....

lying and profitting from lying is fraud.

how about those people who fraudulently use the system, disability and OW to get money when they are commonlaw with spouses who work and make more then enough to live on.

and the list goes on......

where do you draw the lines?

its all good and fine to be a bleeding heart, but lets help those who are willing to help themselves.


Can you please explain why then they did not charge her for fraud? Fraud and false pretenses are two separate things according to the definition of law.

[lk_wicked]

Sometimes it takes a good kicking before they see the light. I agree with the charges and only wish that they could have charged her with more of them, not to be mean or to kick her when see is down but in the hopes that it might get through to her that she needs to get help. You can take as many people as you want and send them away to be detoxed and straightened out but until it is their idea it is just a waste of time.

well, not to sound like I am whining again, lol but my son who has crohn's disease finally got on disability, (after being refused) so that he could get his 3800.00 $ remicade covered which he needs every 8 weeks to stay alive. However if he was an alcoholic or drug addict he would have qualified for disability a.s.a.p.

So lets give the addicts a place to live, a cheque to continue with their addictions, and not require them to go to detox or any kind of treatment program. Sorry, not a bleeding heart here. I say yes, lets pay for treatment and detox, not give them cash for life. And lets give disability to those who actually have a disease or disorder that isnt self inflicted and completely preventable.

just a thought

in other words grumpy, i agree, let them hit rock bottom, then maybe they will find something worth fighting for.

[KDawg]

Maybe the police were actually giving this girl a break by charging her with a lesser crime, and not kicking her while she was down, as DQ thinks.

[1337]

A very good point.

[dancingqueen]

They didn't get charged for lying. She got charged for soliciting money under false pretenses.


Yesterday afternoon, City Police arrested 19-year-old Emily Nethery of 159 Pleasant Drive, on McNabb Street and charged her with two counts of false pretences, two counts of breach of an undertaking and one count of possession of a controlled substance.


No she didn't...
Why twist words? :) :)

[dancingqueen]

Maybe the police were actually giving this girl a break by charging her with a lesser crime, and not kicking her while she was down, as DQ thinks.

While I am not a lawyer, I doubt that is the case. I am sure there is a reason why she did not get charged for fraud.

[lk_wicked]

Can you please explain why then they did not charge her for fraud? Fraud and false pretenses are two separate things according to the definition of law.

oh so you want to be anal about legal terminology. lol as far as the criminal code is concerned, they have different criteria regarding the wording of the charges.

for example sexual assault can be anything from pinching a butt to out and out rape. then they separate the sexual assault with additional terminology. like aggravated sexual assault.

bottom line, who the hell cares what they charged her with, she was charged. Obviously what she did was illegal.
Obviously a lot of us agree in here, that she deserved to be charge.

So why not discuss the issue at hand, instead of nitpicking the wording the soonet people are using which is considered layman's terms. Is that too broadminded for you to grasp or do you simply not have an intelligent argument to offer. lol

[GRUMPY]

well, not to sound like I am whining again, lol but my son who has crohn's disease finally got on disability, (after being refused) so that he could get his 3800.00 $ remicade covered which he needs every 8 weeks to stay alive. However if he was an alcoholic or drug addict he would have qualified for disability a.s.a.p.

So lets give the addicts a place to live, a cheque to continue with their addictions, and not require them to go to detox or any kind of treatment program. Sorry, not a bleeding heart here. I say yes, lets pay for treatment and detox, not give them cash for life. And lets give disability to those who actually have a disease or disorder that isnt self inflicted and completely preventable.

just a thought

in other words grumpy, i agree, let them hit rock bottom, then maybe they will find something worth fighting for.

Bluemoon I totally understand where you are coming from. The Canadian system is great until you actual need it and have to deal with those who run it. You go to the different offices and they will give you all the info you desire but when you do try to use anything its almost like a game with them to see how many different road blocks they can throw in front of you and how many hoops that they can get you to jump through before they say "We're sorry but you will have fill out another form . . ." You are 100 % right in that the system is screwed up in many many ways. I am very glad that you finally got what was needed for your son.

[Peety]

While I am not a lawyer, I doubt that is the case. I am sure there is a reason why she did not get charged for fraud.

While I am not a lawyer...Ha Ha, You act like one at times.

[dancingqueen]

bottom line, who the hell cares what they charged her with, she was charged. Obviously what she did was illegal.
Obviously a lot of us agree in here, that she deserved to be charge.

Is this how we ought to determine if a crime is ignored or not? by popular vote?
I am not denying that what she did was wrong, but popularity or lack thereof should not determine if charges should be pressed.
If "False Pretenses" is a crime which she was charged, I think you will agree that many other people create false pretenses and these people can be found anywhere.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/False%20pretense
I have worked for many people that commit this crime, why are they not charged?

[GRUMPY]

oh so you want to be anal about legal terminology. lol as far as the criminal code is concerned, they have different criteria regarding the wording of the charges.

for example sexual assault can be anything from pinching a butt to out and out rape. then they separate the sexual assault with additional terminology. like aggravated sexual assault.

bottom line, who the hell cares what they charged her with, she was charged. Obviously what she did was illegal.
Obviously a lot of us agree in here, that she deserved to be charge.

So why not discuss the issue at hand, instead of nitpicking the wording the soonet people are using which is considered layman's terms. Is that too broadminded for you to grasp or do you simply not have an intelligent argument to offer. lol

There seems to be a couple of members (yes members) who seem to want to nit pick over every single word, hell they even have the same writing style.

[dancingqueen]

While I am not a lawyer...Ha Ha, You act like one at times.

When?

[1337]

No she didn't...
Why twist words? :) :)

You can't be charged with just 'false pretenses'. Google it. She was charged with soliciting money under false pretenses.

1.
Yesterday afternoon a 19-year-old female attended at the city police station and turned herself in on a warrant for theft under $ 5,000.00. It is alleged that during the month of February, while living at a friend’s apartment the accused stole a quantity of DVDs, valued at approx. $ 90.00, from the friend. Charged with one count of theft under $ 5,000.00 is Emily Nethery, age 19 of 123 Marconi St. She will be appearing in court on April 27th at 9:00 am.

2.
On Saturday July 18th at approx. 9:00 pm city police received several complaints from residents on Lake St. regarding a female going door to door requesting money. It is alleged that the accused, who resides in Sault Ste Marie, was telling residents that she was from out of town and needed money to return home. Charged with one count of False Pretences is Emily Nethery, age 19, of 159 Pleasant Dr. She will be appearing in court on Aug 24th at 9:00 am.

3.
Yesterday afternoon city police arrested 19-year-old Emily Nethery, of 159 Pleasant Dr. on McNabb St. and charged her with two counts of false pretences, two counts of breach of an undertaking and one count of possession of a controlled substance. It is alleged that yesterday and on Aug 5th the accused solicited money from citizens by falsehood. At the time of these offences the accused was on an undertaking release order to not solicit money. It is further alleged that the accused had in her possession a controlled substance.

[Amaranth]

well, not to sound like I am whining again, lol but my son who has crohn's disease finally got on disability, (after being refused) so that he could get his 3800.00 $ remicade covered which he needs every 8 weeks to stay alive. However if he was an alcoholic or drug addict he would have qualified for disability a.s.a.p.

So lets give the addicts a place to live, a cheque to continue with their addictions, and not require them to go to detox or any kind of treatment program. Sorry, not a bleeding heart here. I say yes, lets pay for treatment and detox, not give them cash for life. And lets give disability to those who actually have a disease or disorder that isnt self inflicted and completely preventable.

just a thought

in other words grumpy, i agree, let them hit rock bottom, then maybe they will find something worth fighting for.

No one qualifies for disability "ASAP". It takes addicts and alcoholics longer to qualify usually. Personally I have issues with addicts and alcoholics who do receive ODSP as it makes my job more difficult but that is another story.

Addicts and alcoholics who do eventually received ODSP are required, as anyone on ODSP is, to receive treatment. I am not trying to make excuses (believe me I am not lol) but other than the Sault Ste. Marie Detox Centre it is a major PAIN to get someone into an actual treatment centre. It can take months of faxing and emailing and calling. Referrals must be made and long forms that are difficult for many of these people to read have to be filled out. Heck they can barely hold a pen some days.

Anyway I hope that girl gets the help she needs. I truly feel for her family. Having a loved one with an addiction is terrible for everyone involved; I just lost a very close relative to drugs and we didn't even have any idea she had been addicted for 15 years or more. Some people do not get to hit "rock bottom".

[1337]

There seems to be a couple of members (yes members) who seem to want to nit pick over every single word, hell they even have the same writing style.

All sex offenders have the same writing style.

[lk_wicked]

Bluemoon I totally understand where you are coming from. The Canadian system is great until you actual need it and have to deal with those who run it. You go to the different offices and they will give you all the info you desire but when you do try to use anything its almost like a game with them to see how many different road blocks they can throw in front of you and how many hoops that they can get you to jump through before they say "We're sorry but you will have fill out another form . . ." You are 100 % right in that the system is screwed up in many many ways. I am very glad that you finally got what was needed for your son.

Grumpy, the sad news is, we are still fighting for his medication. my son needs his treatment on sept 8th. we have been fighting for the section 8 approval for his remicade for almost 16 weeks now. OW paid for his last treatment, but said they would only help the one time. The doctor is doing everything he can, but again, the section 8 approval are holding us up. My biggest fear is that if he keeps getting his treatment so late, that the drug will stop working for him. He is on this drug because nothing else worked and his digestive system was so bad, he was beyond surgery. They just can't remove everything. I have some people in high places pulling for us. But it should never be this hard, to get medication that is needed to sustain life. However, he is on disability now. so at least that battle won, helps alot.

[Hugh Jass]

oh so you want to be anal about legal terminology. lol as far as the criminal code is concerned, they have different criteria regarding the wording of the charges.

for example sexual assault can be anything from pinching a butt to out and out rape. then they separate the sexual assault with additional terminology. like aggravated sexual assault.

bottom line, who the hell cares what they charged her with, she was charged. Obviously what she did was illegal.
Obviously a lot of us agree in here, that she deserved to be charge.

So why not discuss the issue at hand, instead of nitpicking the wording the soonet people are using which is considered layman's terms. Is that too broadminded for you to grasp or do you simply not have an intelligent argument to offer. lol

I take great offense to your last statement as you obviously are uneducated in the field of law.

In this great country of ours fraud is defined as every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretense within the meaning of the act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service ... (or) ... with intent to defraud, affects the public market price of stocks, shares, merchandise or anything that is offered for sale to the public.

False pretense is defined in Canadian law as a representation of a past or present fact, made by words or otherwise, which is known by the person making it to be false, with an intent to induce someone to act on it.

As you can clearly see there are differences between fraud and false pretenses according to the criminal code of Canada.

Seeing as how the officers charged her with false pretense than obviously it was not FRAUD! There is my argument so maybe you should learn the law before your belittling of others. Get educated!!!

[GRUMPY]

Some people do not get to hit "rock bottom".

Sad but true.

[dancingqueen]

You can't be charged with just 'false pretenses'. Google it. She was charged with soliciting money under false pretenses.

1.
Yesterday afternoon a 19-year-old female attended at the city police station and turned herself in on a warrant for theft under $ 5,000.00. It is alleged that during the month of February, while living at a friend’s apartment the accused stole a quantity of DVDs, valued at approx. $ 90.00, from the friend. Charged with one count of theft under $ 5,000.00 is Emily Nethery, age 19 of 123 Marconi St. She will be appearing in court on April 27th at 9:00 am.

2.
On Saturday July 18th at approx. 9:00 pm city police received several complaints from residents on Lake St. regarding a female going door to door requesting money. It is alleged that the accused, who resides in Sault Ste Marie, was telling residents that she was from out of town and needed money to return home. Charged with one count of False Pretences is Emily Nethery, age 19, of 159 Pleasant Dr. She will be appearing in court on Aug 24th at 9:00 am.

3.
Yesterday afternoon city police arrested 19-year-old Emily Nethery, of 159 Pleasant Dr. on McNabb St. and charged her with two counts of false pretences, two counts of breach of an undertaking and one count of possession of a controlled substance. It is alleged that yesterday and on Aug 5th the accused solicited money from citizens by falsehood. At the time of these offences the accused was on an undertaking release order to not solicit money. It is further alleged that the accused had in her possession a controlled substance.

These two articles that have anything to do with this that YOU put here call it "false pretenses" so, apparently, you can.

[1337]

lol DQ just do us all a favour and google it :)

[GRUMPY]

I hear you bluemoon it seems that when the family needs as little stress as possible is when it gets piled on the most.

[lk_wicked]

I take great offense to your last statement as you obviously are uneducated in the field of law.

In this great country of ours fraud is defined as every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretense within the meaning of the act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service ... (or) ... with intent to defraud, affects the public market price of stocks, shares, merchandise or anything that is offered for sale to the public.

False pretense is defined in Canadian law as a representation of a past or present fact, made by words or otherwise, which is known by the person making it to be false, with an intent to induce someone to act on it.

As you can clearly see there are differences between fraud and false pretenses according to the criminal code of Canada.

Seeing as how the officers charged her with false pretense than obviously it was not FRAUD! There is my argument so maybe you should learn the law before your belittling of others. Get educated!!!


I am so proud of you. you can read. lmao lighten up. your still a nit picker. lifes too short to get so offended.

by the way, what exactly is it your all hyped up about. you are upset she was charged. or you agree that she should have been charged. or do you know.

[1337]

Ya, stop nit picking. It's not like he held his throbbing member in his hand and told you to suck it.

[Peety]

Ya, stop nit picking. It's not like he held his throbbing member in his hand and told you to suck it.

..LOl..Nit picking is when he spelled "when" wrong!

[dancingqueen]

don't need to. The reputable News source has informed me that she was charged with this.
but, what the heck
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=false+pretense+charge&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
I like the http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081215071302AAbmwxe
You should probably let this person know that they don't really have this charge on their record.
Are you now a lawyer by the way T-Pot?
:)

[lk_wicked]

you know, once in a while, its kind of funny to see someone on here overreact. I think I get why there are those select few, who like to come in here, just to stir the pot. I know I am being very bad. I shouldn't see the humour in it, and certainly shouldn't intentionally be pulling the tiger by the tail, so to speak.

But as I sit here smiling, I am also thinking, I should apologize for p*ssing in someone's cornflakes. So jass, truly, lighten up and dont take offence. I just couldn't resist taking a poke. lol

[Macs II]

I'll say ..hang her ...she will never amount to be anything ...get rid of her now

[1337]

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=charged+under+false+pretenses&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=charged+under+false+pretenses&fp=15553ba519e8ae61

Obtaining property under false pretenses? Obtaining money under false pretenses? Theft by false pretenses? Construction under false pretenses?

So which one? If it was just false pretenses?

[dancingqueen]

you know, once in a while, its kind of funny to see someone on here overreact. I think I get why there are those select few, who like to come in here, just to stir the pot. I know I am being very bad. I shouldn't see the humour in it, and certainly shouldn't intentionally be pulling the tiger by the tail, so to speak.

But as I sit here smiling, I am also thinking, I should apologize for p*ssing in someone's cornflakes. So jass, truly, lighten up and dont take offence. I just couldn't resist taking a poke. lol

I am not over reacting, I ask a simple question, and people make assumptions.

What she did was wrong, but how is it different than other people who do the same thing.

[dancingqueen]

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=charged+under+false+pretenses&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=charged+under+false+pretenses&fp=15553ba519e8ae61

Obtaining property under false pretenses? Obtaining money under false pretenses? Theft by false pretenses? Construction under false pretenses?

So which one? If it was just false pretenses?

according to the news article she was charged with just plain 'ol "false pretenses"
Again, I am not a lawyer.

[1337]

Neither am I, but i know you can't be charged with false pretenses.

It's like getting charged with just '2nd degree'.

[dancingqueen]

then the news article is wrong.
and so is that kid on Yahoo answers
I wonder who else is just wrong, cause you know they are...
Is there a lawyer in the soonet?

[1337]

Ok, next time you bring anything up political i will call you on it, because you're not a politician.

Anything medical, well your not a doctor.

[1337]

DQ:

http://www.rcmp-learning.org/iim/ecdi1018.htm#summary

Type in the answers, and see what you get :)

Try just false pretenses.

[Peety]

Neither am I, but i know you can't be charged with false pretenses.

It's like getting charged with just '2nd degree'.

pretenses.
Is that a mistake?

[1337]

I may not know the law, but i am pretty sure the RCMP does. And they are all pointing to the same thing "CRIME+FALSE PRETENSES"

[lk_wicked]

do you people remember several years ago, there were two boys that were attending sir james dunn highschool in grade 9, they were charged with trafficking, or the intent to traffick and what they were selling was oregano spice, and pretending it was cannabis (pot). lol

I thought it was pretty funny. Wonder if the placebo effect got any of the buyers high.

false pretense lol

[Hugh Jass]

I am so proud of you. you can read. lmao lighten up. your still a nit picker. lifes too short to get so offended.

by the way, what exactly is it your all hyped up about. you are upset she was charged. or you agree that she should have been charged. or do you know.

Nice response. Very well thought out!! I agree she should have been charged and the police know their job and the law and obviously you do not.

As a matter of fact I would also like to point out that I can read and do understand what is written. For example I read earlier that you were all hyped up over the fact that people who are alcoholics and drug abusers receive ODSP almost immediately while one of your family members with colitis did not.
Correct me if I am wrong, which I know I am not, but people with colitis unless they are in the final stages before death are not disabled. Would collecting ODSP under these circumstances be false pretenses or fraud???

[1337]

lol I heard they got pretty 'baked'.

[Peety]

do you people remember several years ago, there were two boys that were attending sir james dunn highschool in grade 9, they were charged with trafficking, or the intent to traffick and what they were selling was oregano spice, and pretending it was cannabis (pot). lol

I thought it was pretty funny. Wonder if the placebo effect got any of the buyers high.

false pretense lol

Oh No..Your capital button is broke?

[lk_wicked]

I am not over reacting, I ask a simple question, and people make assumptions.

What she did was wrong, but how is it different than other people who do the same thing.

thats simple. she got caught.

just because other people do the same thing, and don't get caught. Does it make it right?

It's not just a white lie, if your making a profit by being dishonest. A white lie, isnt about profit, its about telling someone something, with the intent to protect that person from harm. Whether that harm is simply not hurting their feelings, or trying to diffuse a potentially volitile situation. A white lie is usually for a greater good. White lies are not always harmless or correct, but the intent is not to deceive or hurt another.

[Peety]

I may not know the law, but i am pretty sure the RCMP does. And they are all pointing to the same thing "CRIME+FALSE PRETENSES"

Opps i

[lk_wicked]

Oh No..Your capital button is broke?

no, just tired lmao and too lazy to shift heheh too lazy for grammar too. and to think, i spent all of that good money going to university. (i am so ashamed..... not) lol


ps. are you nitpicking (couldnt resist)

[GRUMPY]

Is pretense what happens just be for a tense?

[lk_wicked]

Nice response. Very well thought out!! I agree she should have been charged and the police know their job and the law and obviously you do not.

As a matter of fact I would also like to point out that I can read and do understand what is written. For example I read earlier that you were all hyped up over the fact that people who are alcoholics and drug abusers receive ODSP almost immediately while one of your family members with colitis did not.
Correct me if I am wrong, which I know I am not, but people with colitis unless they are in the final stages before death are not disabled. Would collecting ODSP under these circumstances be false pretenses or fraud???

How amazing, besides being a lawyer, you are a medical doctor and a gastrointestinal specialist too. Your parents must be so proud. I will just ask Dr. Bignell, for a consult with you, seeing as you know more then he does about my son's care and case. I am sure he will think your prognosis is accurate as his was so mistaken. I am also sure you will want to consult with Dr. Stevenson the pediatrition who went to my son's school to inform them his attendance should not be an issue because she was assisting my son to stay alive. And yes, unfortunately that had to take priority over his attendance. Specifically, when he had to be tube fed because he was in grade 10 and weighing 60 lbs, and his organs were going to shut down. Certainly, I will make sure these professional doctors consult, with your very expert opinions on my son's care.

ps. grow up and get over yourself.

and since you read so well, you might want to notice, he has crohn's disease, not colitis.

[Hugh Jass]

How amazing, besides being a lawyer, you are a medical doctor and a gastrointestinal specialist too. Your parents must be so proud. I will just ask Dr. Bignell, for a consult with you, seeing as you know more then he does about my son's care and case. I am sure he will think your prognosis is accurate as his was so mistaken. I am also sure you will want to consult with Dr. Stevenson the pediatrition who went to my son's school to inform them his attendance should not be an issue because she was assisting my son to stay alive. And yes, unfortunately that had to take priority over his attendance. Specifically, when he had to be tube fed because he was in grade 10 and weighing 60 lbs, and his organs were going to shut down. Certainly, I will make sure these professional doctors consult, with your very expert opinions on my son's care.

ps. grow up and get over yourself.

Sounds like the swan song to me. Poor you! I so do feel sorry for you and your life full of uphill battles.Guess the doctor does not have the know how to write a letter so they go directly to the school in regards to a patients attendance.
Get over yourself and your nit picking. You started this argument in your first response to me because obviously you can not comprehend what you read.
See what is like when others make comments toward you that you feel are offensive.

[lk_wicked]

And as you continue to assume I know nothing of the law, you might want to note, that I have not once corrected your terminology or definitions of the criminal code, not because you are right or wrong, but simply because I don't care. We are in a soap box in a soonet forum, generalizing opinions about a news article. Although, I did graduate from sault college from the Law and Security Administration Program some time ago, and have worked in the Observation and Detention Center for young offenders. Just because I choose not to debate the criminal code and its terminology, doesnt mean I know nothing about it. As I said, earlier, I don't care. I offered my opinion on whether or not this young woman should be charged. The rest, doesnt interest me to debate on. So debate away on what interests you, and I will debate away on what interests me. and life shall carry on.

[Hugh Jass]

So in other words what you are try to say is I WIN!!!

[lk_wicked]

Maybe the doctor, just happened to care about her patients. I never asked for a pity party. I don't feel sorry for myself. I have the same amount of frustration as anyone else who has to deal with bureacracy and red tape. Tormented soul, shouldn't have to jump through all the hoops he has talked about in here either, to get dental surgery and osap in place. He's just a guy trying to get ahead and running into road blocks. How does this relate to this thread. Well lets see, some were of the opinion that the girl shouldnt have been charged, as she has "problems." Who doesn't have problems in this day and age. The point is, why should a select few be given free reign to break rules or laws. Shouldn't we all be held to the same accountability for our actions?

[lk_wicked]

So in other words what you are try to say is I WIN!!!


I didn't realize it meant that much to you, so guess what, you win. lol who cares.

[bluekrissyspikes]

do you people remember several years ago, there were two boys that were attending sir james dunn highschool in grade 9, they were charged with trafficking, or the intent to traffick and what they were selling was oregano spice, and pretending it was cannabis (pot). lol

I thought it was pretty funny. Wonder if the placebo effect got any of the buyers high.

false pretense lol

hey, i almost got in big trouble for doing that. the dumb chick i sold it to got upset and went tattling to the principle. i dunno what she said but can you imagine, "But sir, kristine and terry told me this was weed and it's not! i want my money back!" luckily the police officer that came to visit us just gave us a lecture.

[lk_wicked]

hey, i almost got in big trouble for doing that. the dumb chick i sold it to got upset and went tattling to the principle. i dunno what she said but can you imagine, "But sir, kristine and terry told me this was weed and it's not! i want my money back!" luckily the police officer that came to visit us just gave us a lecture.

naughty girl lol

can i buy some oregano from you. hehehe

[bluekrissyspikes]

lol...sorry, i'm fresh out

[dancingqueen]

T-pot, what was she charged for under false pretense?

[KDawg]

Keep in mind the article is from SooToday.com.

They couldn't get the spelling of pretense right and they generally just regurgitate verbatim police reports.

Could some key words have been missing?

[1337]

T-pot, what was she charged for under false pretense?

Read my other posts. She was charged for soliciting money under false pretences.

[dancingqueen]

Read my other posts. She was charged for soliciting money under false pretences.

Can you do me a favor and show me a source that backs this up?
I only ask because the News source this thread derived from does not specify this.
I am not trying to be hostile, I fully acknowledge that what you say could be true, but the only source I see on this matter says she was charged with false pretense and does not specify what the false pretenses are related to.

[b&aMom]

Well, the news report, from the police communication to the media, is not going to give a verbatim conversation. When she came to MY house (for which she was not charged), she said she had just moved here from Sudbury, had an apartment on Upton Road, had no money, and had a baby to feed. Just FYI. What charge should there have been for that? I'm tired of hearing of and seeing this young woman in parking lots, approaching people for money to support her drug habit, and lying about what the money is for. How many elderly has she hit up? They are from a more trusting generation, and that's common knowledge...just ask the crooked telemarketers that take advantage of them. She is no different, with the exception of doing it in person, which can be even more intimidating to some.

Also, how would everyone feel if this was a 19 year old guy, instead of a girl?

[dancingqueen]

What charge should there have been for that?
none, people lie all the time, we deal with it and get on with our lives.

Also, how would everyone feel if this was a 19 year old guy, instead of a girl?

I can only speak for myself, but I would feel no different. This person needs help, sure, but if you think charging her for lying (according to the news source) is gonna get her that help?

[Mr belsito]

Well, the news report, from the police communication to the media, is not going to give a verbatim conversation. When she came to MY house (for which she was not charged), she said she had just moved here from Sudbury, had an apartment on Upton Road, had no money, and had a baby to feed. Just FYI. What charge should there have been for that? I'm tired of hearing of and seeing this young woman in parking lots, approaching people for money to support her drug habit, and lying about what the money is for. How many elderly has she hit up? They are from a more trusting generation, and that's common knowledge...just ask the crooked telemarketers that take advantage of them. She is no different, with the exception of doing it in person, which can be even more intimidating to some.

Also, how would everyone feel if this was a 19 year old guy, instead of a girl?
That girl approached me a few weeks ago, sad thing is, she is pretty!

[Konig-OV]

Can you do me a favor and show me a source that backs this up?
I only ask because the News source this thread derived from does not specify this.
I am not trying to be hostile, I fully acknowledge that what you say could be true, but the only source I see on this matter says she was charged with false pretense and does not specify what the false pretenses are related to.

The heading for the source you refer to, says; "Emily Nethery accused of illegal solicitation of money". Maybe this helps in your quest to be right?

[b&aMom]

none, people lie all the time, we deal with it and get on with our lives.


So if a canvasser for __________(Heart and Stroke, or the Lung Association, or Diabetes, etc.) showed up at your ________ (door, place of employment, school), and some donated, some did not, and you later found out the person was NOT canvassing for said charity, but their drug habit, there should be no charges? People lie all the time, just deal with it?

[everywoman]

I am certainly not the spokesperson for the family but seeing as I appear to to be the only one on here who knows them personally, I will let you all know that they are going through absolute hell. Point and judge if you will, but just remember there are tears being cried over a daughter who is lost to an evil addiction.

Getting caught is all fine and well, and I hope it leads to her getting help, but it's a terrible situation.

[GRUMPY]

yes it is a very sad situation for everyone in her family.

[1337]

I thought people who know about the danger, and still do it, are stupid? Throbby, your thoughts?

I don't know, I maybe heartless.

[1337]

Wait, sorry, my bad. Only 7 year old girls who get forced to do something and die are stupid. Not 19 year old females who know their actions.

[everywoman]

It would be nice if you guys could put away your spat, and maybe just think good thoughts for Emily. She needs it, as does her family.

[1337]

She needs help, for sure.


BTW, I PM'd Grumpy and asked him to bury the hatchet, and he ignored me, and continues to drag this out, i'm immature, so i'll play along.

[everywoman]

Well, I'd like to think he hasn't got your message yet. Thanks for the effort tho....

[1337]

I'd like to think so to, as it's been a day or two since :) I mentioned before, i can dish and take it, but there are certain lines you don't cross. One is making in fun of dead children. I digress.

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

What do people need links and sources for. She was making up stories to get people to feel sorry for her and then to give her money. Thats fact, people have had it happen and it states it in the story. Use your head. If I cut of a guys head, do you want sources stating that he was in fact bleeding? Some of you are so stupid and just look for conflict anywhere. Kinda like me but im better at it.

[Enigmatic]

Oh whoa is me, blame it on mental problems all the time. Any chance that she may just be a disgraceful, scamming, thief??

[everywoman]

Enigmatic...she is an addict. Addicts don't act in their right mind when under the influence of mind altering drugs. No one is making excuses, but it is what it is. She's not pan-handling for the fun of it. She's making up lies and begging because she feels like she cannot live without her next fix. She is also under the influence of another person, which isn't helping things.

[bella]

uuuuggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cant stand this girl we live in the same neighbourhood and I constanly see her out waving down cars, going up to anyone and asking for money. She has asked me for money and my friends husband, she told him she had two staving children at home and they needed food!! I seen her at a near by bar drinking shortly after that incident.
Another time she came up to me after bumming a smoke off some guy and tried to trade me smokes I told her no and she used my lighter and kept giving me dirty looks before storming off.. WOW!
OMG she just erks me ... I hope to god the courts get this girl some help.

[1337]

lol thats what she did to me on Chartwell. Should've seen how far she would've went for pocket change!!!! Maybe I could have got my truck washed and my lawn mowed!



Edited : It was on Chartwell she said she was living in Cambridge.

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

lol thats what she did to me on Chartwell. Should've seen how far she would've went for pocket change!!!! Maybe I could have got my truck washed and my lawn mowed!



Edited : It was on Chartwell she said she was living in Cambridge.

Links? sources? Im not calling you a liar but I want links. Bahahaha

[1337]

Wow, next your going to say you don't like balls in your mouth..... cotton balls that is.

[Tutones]

I actually called the cops on a guy I kept running into at the Churchill Plaza (east end) that was doing the same thing. Once he said he needed money for gas because his wife and two kids were in an accident on the highway and he didn't have money or gas to get there. Funny thing is that he was driving a really nice new minivan, and looked very clean-cut ... I was thinking "don't you have a credit card?". Another time my sister was stopped by him, outside of A&P. He had a boston terrier with him (expensive dogs) and he was outside with this dog ALL DAY in the rain and cold, telling people he needed money for dog food. When I went there with my sister to get a few things and he was still there, we decided to call the police.

I'm not sure if he was charged or anything though, I didn't hear/see anything about it afterwards.

Pretty sad that people are doing that kind of thing.


A red mini-van? The same guy came up to me at the Northern Ave. A&P Parking lot and told me he needed gas money to go pick his daughter up in Spanish for the weekend. He (quote) 'didn't want to disappoint her again' by not showing up. Luckily, I didn't have any cash on me and usually don't. It's crazy what people will do, eh?