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Larimar
07-13-2007, 12:49 PM
how far are ppl allowed to go b4 their vids are banned?
What are the rules?
I keep coming across racist banter on a vid that disguises itself as a cute baby-or "cute animals"

anyone seen it ? no matter tho..either way shouldn't stuff like that be taken off? or are the laws okay with that? how far can u go with freedom of speech laws-b4 it stops?

pylus
07-13-2007, 01:01 PM
In Canada we don't have freedom of speech, I'd like it, but it doesn't exist.

In the USA it is a constitutional right, which seems to count for less and less everyday. IMO

I follow this theory....
I might not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

adigirl
07-13-2007, 01:03 PM
What doesn't exist in Canada? Hate-speech is against the law in Canada.

Larimar
07-13-2007, 01:04 PM
i think it should end at harrassment and hate speech directed at a person. I think freedom of speech is great-until it starts to degrade other ppl-we need les hitler speech in this world in my opinion. but meh. I flagged the hitler like vid and hope it's taken down-I don't know how else to speed it up tho-it misguides ppl under false names..be ashame if a child were to see it and be of a certain race and think they are looked upon in that manner.

pylus
07-13-2007, 01:14 PM
Free speech we don't have adigirl.

Dreamspirit

The US contitution (apparently) guarantees these rights to their citizens.

guaranteed "to make oneself answerable for (something) on behalf of someone else who is primarily responsible: to guarantee the fulfillment of a contract. "

"to promise "

I think the answer lies in education, not in trying to take away thoughts or words.

stupefied
07-13-2007, 01:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pylus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Free speech we don't have </div></div>

Umm, yes we do.

Larimar
07-13-2007, 01:31 PM
well, i looked up youtubes terms and the vid violates them -they aren't allowed hate speech. so i hope its taken off quickly.

pylus
07-13-2007, 01:35 PM
http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Canada/English/ca_1982.html

"2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other means of communication."

OK maybe in words, but never in practice.

I can't say the holocaust never happened, I can't print it either.

The US at least at one time took the words of their constitution seriously.

I can almost go down the list in our words and many are false, if not out ant out lies. We got the failsafe "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law "

Which means to me, we've got no rights here unless they choose to give them to us.

The US constitution says no such thing.

pylus
07-13-2007, 01:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DreamSpirit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well, i looked up youtubes terms and the vid violates them -they aren't allowed hate speech. so i hope its taken off quickly. </div></div>

True, a private medium can say "these are my rules." Hell, I do it myself, no one in my home can tell me how to live. Sorry kind of read your first post wrong.

adigirl
07-13-2007, 04:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tiny_tim</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pylus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Free speech we don't have </div></div>

Umm, yes we do. </div></div>

We do have freedom of speech. However, we also have anti hate_speech laws.

In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990).

Nihilistic Heathen
07-13-2007, 05:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pylus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Canada/English/ca_1982.html

"2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other means of communication."

OK maybe in words, but never in practice.

I can't say the holocaust never happened, I can't print it either.

The US at least at one time took the words of their constitution seriously.

I can almost go down the list in our words and many are false, if not out ant out lies. We got the failsafe "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law "

Which means to me, we've got no rights here unless they choose to give them to us.

The US constitution says no such thing.

</div></div>

Keep reading upto section 24 at least.

We have more rights than you realise. The Supreme Court of Canada that has ruled on section 1 of the Charter and set out guidelines. ~ Research Regina Vs. Oakes.

Although they still have Section 33. The infamous "notwithstanding Claus".