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Lance1
11-03-2009, 10:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0

Looks like Toyota has commuters in mind not, Haulers.

Jack Butler
11-03-2009, 02:23 PM
That is more a statement on shock technology.
It's unsprung weight that is the cause of the bounce or the inability to control the unsprung weight.
This weight, is the weight of everything below or not supported by the suspension. rims , tires, axles, rotors, calipers, driveshaft....
Shock damping is the difference.
Take a look at this...couldn't find it in English, nevertheless start 1:01 in and be amazed.
Bose figures it could be about a $5,000.00 option....and that's 4 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyf4rfT7bHU

Anapeg
11-03-2009, 05:37 PM
That is more a statement on shock technology.
It's unsprung weight that is the cause of the bounce or the inability to control the unsprung weight.
This weight, is the weight of everything below or not supported by the suspension. rims , tires, axles, rotors, calipers, drive shaft....
Shock damping is the difference.
Take a look at this...couldn't find it in English, nevertheless start 1:01 in and be amazed.
Bose figures it could be about a $5,000.00 option....and that's 4 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyf4rfT7bHU

Jack, your explanation was great and it's nice to defend Toyota but their truck still sucks, all niceties aside.

chemicall
11-03-2009, 05:46 PM
But your forgetting something guys, you can't kill a Hilux.

Also watch part 2, it should come up after the first video is done. salt water and fire, the Hilux still runs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk

Jack Butler
11-03-2009, 08:53 PM
Jack, your explanation was great and it's nice to defend Toyota but their truck still sucks, all niceties aside.

Ha, Ha...it's not about Toyota.
It's about getting it right.
Adjustable suspensions on the fly, sway and yawl control, 5 ton monster trucks falling 30' out of the sky without a rebound, motocross bikes, snowmobiles.......
Shock technology is incredible.....but that's all it is!
You could order a set of rebuildable performance shocks though Penske or QA1.
With a little work, they would out perform any factory setup by a long shot, so....
The test is kind of funny really, I mean just slow down!
Call me crazy, but who would drive their new truck, that fast over those bumps?

Barry Morris
11-03-2009, 10:13 PM
Jack, your explanation was great and it's nice to defend Toyota but their truck still sucks, all niceties aside.

Cost per mile is what it's all about.

Who wins then??

Jack Butler
11-03-2009, 10:46 PM
Cost per mile is what it's all about.

Who wins then??

Depends what you are doing.
The Toyota couldn't do what some of the diesels do, so you can't even compare them.

Anapeg
11-04-2009, 07:13 AM
Ha, Ha...it's not about Toyota.
It's about getting it right.
Adjustable suspensions on the fly, sway and yawl control, 5 ton monster trucks falling 30' out of the sky without a rebound, motocross bikes, snowmobiles.......
Shock technology is incredible.....but that's all it is!
You could order a set of rebuild able performance shocks though Penske or QA1.
With a little work, they would out perform any factory setup by a long shot, so....

Agreed shocks do make or break the ride/performance.

The test is kind of funny really, I mean just slow down!
Call me crazy, but who would drive their new truck, that fast over those bumps?

Anyone purchasing a vehicle after myself is being ripped off. I use a vehicle for what it's designed for and more. My one ton and my three quarter ton are moving ten ton every day. We are regularly on dirt roads, in fact ones heading for Timmins via the Ranger Lake Turnpike on Friday. On the straights I am often at eighty plus. Hence the two year and gone rule here.

Anapeg
11-04-2009, 07:19 AM
Cost per mile is what it's all about.

Who wins then??

The manufacturer of coarse. They sell you a vehicle purported to do this that and the other thing. You take it and use after market to perform on a regular basis as the manufacturer tells you it will out of the box. Suspension upgrades to tow. Bully Dogs to tow and perform. Light packages so you can drive with assurance at night. Oh, ya, sound systems to be able to drown out the rattles.

Jack Butler
11-04-2009, 08:58 AM
Anyone purchasing a vehicle after myself is being ripped off. I use a vehicle for what it's designed for and more. My one ton and my three quarter ton are moving ten ton every day. We are regularly on dirt roads, in fact ones heading for Timmins via the Ranger Lake Turnpike on Friday. On the straights I am often at eighty plus. Hence the two year and gone rule here.

Own any imports?

Lance1
11-04-2009, 02:51 PM
What got me was the Chevy bounded and danced like crazy but at least the "box" and "cab" did not do a separate dance like the Toyota ,that has to be more about the frame's strength would it not?

Jack Butler
11-04-2009, 07:12 PM
That would be true if the shocks were the same.
It would be both frame and shock contributing to the results.
There is one more thing to consider....cab mounts.
The consistency or hardness of the rubber will determine the cabs movement.
Like I said already.......silly test!

Anapeg
11-04-2009, 08:48 PM
Own any imports?

Nary a one and won`t, not for work. Personal use quite possibly. I know, Hans tells me a 2.5 litre Audi will do the job as well as my Dodge and or GM diesel but..................

Anapeg
11-04-2009, 08:53 PM
That would be true if the shocks were the same.
It would be both frame and shock contributing to the results.
There is one more thing to consider....cab mounts.
The consistency or hardness of the rubber will determine the cabs movement.
Like I said already.......silly test!

Silly, I don`t think so. It shows that Toyota should not be your truck of choice for back woods wash board roads unless you plan modifications on a new vehicle to accomplish what Ford and GM do off the showroom floor.Certainly they are different, that's why the names are not all the same. In that instance Toyota comes up abysmally short.

Jack Butler
11-04-2009, 09:00 PM
You would be correct, if that was a test that actually applies to a situation that most of us would be in.
At a slower speed, where all of us drive, the difference would be minimal, so....
.....silly test I tells ya!

Anapeg
11-04-2009, 09:34 PM
You would be correct, if that was a test that actually applies to a situation that most of us would be in.
At a slower speed, where all of us drive, the difference would be minimal, so....
.....silly test I tells ya!

Most of us drive Jack, most, not all. I have on occasion beat and thrashed on equipment to achieve a goal, unreasonable, yes. Honest though. My GM diesel has 144,000 on it and is on it`s third motor. I WILL find the weak spots, I promise. Now the Allison is misbehaving, so off to the shop.

Barry Morris
11-05-2009, 12:29 AM
You could throw each of them off a cliff, and see which one could drive away.

Be as good a test.

Three engines in 144,000??? Send that GM to the crusher!!!

Anapeg
11-05-2009, 07:54 AM
You could throw each of them off a cliff, and see which one could drive away.

Be as good a test.

Three engines in 144,000??? Send that GM to the crusher!!!

We did. It kept melting pistons so we went with a complete replacement, turbo, pump, the works. With this engine you can hear (loudly) the turbo spool up which I never heard on the old one so maybe..........

Barry Morris
11-05-2009, 09:48 AM
Just curious. You using any additives in that engine?? And what oil??

Anapeg
11-05-2009, 10:26 AM
Just curious. You using any additives in that engine?? And what oil??

No to the additives, never. I have used additives in my gas engines to clean the fuel system only. I never put anything in the oil. As for oil, I go to manufacture specs, I don't change mine as it is done by the shop. I have pulled the rig with a four point something or other GM gas for two weeks with no problem and the Cumin's handles it easily but the GM diesel, not so much. It's lazy and works hard to do the job and I have fuel receipts to prove it.

The Piper
11-05-2009, 11:17 AM
You would be correct, if that was a test that actually applies to a situation that most of us would be in.
At a slower speed, where all of us drive, the difference would be minimal, so....
.....silly test I tells ya!

Are you sure about that? Considering the the torsional stresses that the Tundra frame has to be seeing (judging by the vids), even at slower speeds there may well be enough twisting to cause fatigue failure. The Tundra is the best riding/handler and a great truck...for the highway.

Jack Butler
11-05-2009, 02:04 PM
Are you sure about that?

Yup.

The Piper
11-05-2009, 02:45 PM
You may be right. Assuming of course Toyota has rectified the frame rust issues they had with 95-00 Tacomas and 00-02 1st gen Tundras. Both of which were assembled in North America. Btw..have 2 Yotas in the family, and I still couldn't pull the pin on a new Tundra.

_daynzy
11-05-2009, 10:51 PM
Jack, your explanation was great and it's nice to defend Toyota but their truck still sucks, all niceties aside.


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