Church bells to ring out warning on climate change

[KDawg]

I've always said this global warming propaganda is a religion. Well, it's not just for pagans who want to worship mother earth Gaia anymore. It's now gone mainstream.


The World Council (http://topics.breitbart.com/World+Council/) of Churches on Thursday called on churches around the world to ring their bells 350 times during the Copenhagen climate change (http://topics.breitbart.com/climate+change/) summit on December 13 as a call to action on global warming.
(http://topics.breitbart.com/South+Pacific/)
"On that Sunday, midway through the UN summit, the WCC (http://topics.breitbart.com/WCC/) invites churches around the world to use their bells, drums, gongs or whatever their tradition offers to call people to prayer and action in the face of climate change," the council said in a statement.
"By sounding their bells or other instruments 350 times, participating churches will symbolise the 350 parts per million that mark the safe upper limit for CO2 (carbon dioxide (http://topics.breitbart.com/carbon+dioxide/)) in the atmosphere according to many scientists," it added.
If the economy-destroying measures that are going to come out of Copenhagen weren't so serious, this would be laughable.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.5c89ef2b65e54705267dd3c67d9f119 9.121&show_article=1

[Soundbear]

Let's see, good economy, good air, good economy, good air, so hard to choose.

If our church had a bell, it wouldn't ring for the WCC.

[KDawg]

Let's see, good economy, good air, good economy, good air, so hard to choose.

That's also been part of the propaganda -- there doesn't have to be such a trade off, it's a false dichotomy.

We can clean up our polluting ways without government taxing us into the stone age, but of course you never hear any of that.

The global warming campaign has NOTHING to do with cleaning up the environment...NOTHING.

[R W G R]

That's also been part of the propaganda -- there doesn't have to be such a trade off, it's a false dichotomy.

We can clean up our polluting ways without government taxing us into the stone age, but of course you never hear any of that.

The global warming campaign has NOTHING to do with cleaning up the environment...NOTHING.

Exactly.

Soundbear's simplicity does him in yet again.

[Hans]

Where's my taxes? I have not seen my climate tax yet. Should I let them know?

[R W G R]

Where's my taxes? I have not seen my climate tax yet. Should I let them know?

Spoken like a true European.

[KDawg]

Where's my taxes? I have not seen my climate tax yet. Should I let them know?

"Yet" is the key word.

[Hans]

So when should I expect my climate tax?

[Soundbear]

Exactly.

Soundbear's simplicity does him in yet again.

That didn't take long, Slow.

[KDawg]

So when should I expect my climate tax?

There's going to be a climate change summit in Copenhagen next month, which is why I posted this thread about a week ago...

http://soonet.ca/showthread.php?t=35319


We should not deceive ourselves. A cap-and-trade scheme is a government intervention par excellence, not a “market solution.” How much “to cap” is the decision of the government (and the European failure several years ago — when too many carbon permits were issued — is I hope well known here). The size of the cap defines the price of carbon and this price is nothing else than a tax imposed upon citizens of the country. I agree with Lord Monckton that the cap-and-trade bill “is the largest tax increase ever to be inflicted on a population in the history of the world.” How is it possible that such arguments are not used? Why does nobody argue that to tax energy means that the costs of anti-global warming policy will disproportionally fall onto the poor people? What bothers me is that to “trade” the artificial “good” — the permits — means that a new group of rent-seekers will arise who will make profits at our expense. Why doesn’t anybody say that the carbon permits have no intrinsic value other than by government decree?
To answer your question Hans, see what our illustrious leaders will come up with next month in Copenhagen.

[KDawg]

If you think such a scheme is unlikely, my OP says the World Council of Churches is now taking an active roll in trying to influence its congregations into accepting the propaganda.

How many people is that?

[Hans]

So next month I can expect to see my climate tax?

[KDawg]

So next month I can expect to see my climate tax?

My apologies.

I've mistaken you for someone who can click on links, read, comprehend what was read, and then perhaps comment on the details in the article.

[Hans]

Does "fear monger" mean anything to you?

[KDawg]

If you think Breitbart and the National Post are fear mongering, you'll have to write their editors and let them know...you can do that with mainstream news agencies and news publishers.

[Hans]

I was more referring to your beliefs that this is nothing more than a tax grab, and economy-destroying measures, propaganda.
Those are things you said, not them.

[KDawg]

Czech president Václav Klaus said this in the National Post article I linked to:

I agree with Lord Monckton that the cap-and-trade bill “is the largest tax increase ever to be inflicted on a population in the history of the world.” How is it possible that such arguments are not used? Why does nobody argue that to tax energy means that the costs of anti-global warming policy will disproportionally fall onto the poor people?

A cap-and-trade scheme is what they will be discussing in Copenhagen. Václav Klaus said those things in the article. What does "largest tax increase ever to be inflicted on a population in the history of the world" mean to you -- this is what I meant by reading comprehension.

Although, you're right about this -- Propaganda is my word.

[Hans]

It means he's seeing things. I still have to see a tax increase on my tax forms.

[TheManInBlack]

Where's my taxes? I have not seen my climate tax yet. Should I let them know?

LOL and you say you keep on top of things? The carbon tax is coming it's been in the news for over a year. They are going to tax anything that releases carbon. Which is pretty much anything that is alive and breathing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwBbl6RoIs

from his own mouth

[Hans]

Until I see it on my tax bill, it does not exist

[TheManInBlack]

HAHAHAHAHA thats like says I'm not going to believe I'm dead til I'm shot

[NewCasa]

HAHAHAHAHA thats like says I'm not going to believe I'm dead til I'm shot

Your point?

[TheManInBlack]

My point is if you wait for them to implement this bogus tax your an idiot. Just sitting back and waiting for something to happen to you is a terrible way to live your life.

[Soundbear]

My point is if you wait for them to implement this bogus tax your an idiot. Just sitting back and waiting for something to happen to you is a terrible way to live your life.

Just curious as to exactly what actions you are taking in this matter???

[R W G R]

What "matter"?

[NewCasa]

What "matter"?

The bogus tax, of course. Do try and keep up.

MIB - I'm curious too about what you're doing to deal with this. Please advise us all. I for one could certainly use the help, being pretty much a complete idiot.

[KDawg]

Until I see it on my tax bill, it does not exist

Hans, this isn't a fairytale. As we post here, the Netherlands is already trying to make this kind of BS green tax into a law.


Dutch motorists driving a standard family saloon will be charged 3 euro cents per kilometre (seven US cents per mile) in 2012. That would increase to 6.7 cents (16 US cents per mile) in 2018, according to the proposed law.http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iYPTOtIepVKcGL_AcCZFe1ht99UQ

[Hans]

Did you know you pay radio and tv tax in that country?

[TheManInBlack]

Just curious as to exactly what actions you are taking in this matter???

Actually I've written letters to MP's (I didn't worry about our MPP cause he's useless.) I've educated myself. I've also passed on information to others. WHAT have you done

[NewCasa]

...." If we understand aright the dignity of this bell that tolls for our evening prayer, we would be glad to make it ours by rising early, in that application, that it might be ours as well as his, whose indeed it is. The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth; and though it intermit again, yet from that minute that that occasion wrought upon him, he is united to God. Who casts not up his eye to the sun when it rises? but who takes off his eye from a comet when that breaks out? Who bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this world?

No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

John Donne (From Meditation 17)

[TheManInBlack]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissions_trading





http://www.newsweek.com/id/220523
The price tag would be huge. Cap-and-trade would raise prices for the energy we get from natural gas, coal, and oil. Putting a tax on carbon means that every American who flips a light switch, turns a car key, or buys anything made or shipped in this country will pay more. The Treasury Department estimates that the president's cap-and-trade approach would "generate federal receipts on the order of $100 [billion] to $200 billion annually"; the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports that a 15 percent CO2 reduction would cost an average household $1,600 a year. Other experts say the price tag could be much higher. That would mean utility bills will rise everywhere, exploding in some parts of the country. Ratepayers in manufacturing states (with higher per capita energy use) and in states that depend more heavily on coal for electricity would see their utility bills soar, slowing economic growth and job creation.