Catholics ... Do you believe in Dinosaurs? (Darwin)

[Dixie_Normous]

One of Charles Darwin's personal battles was with a friend who was also a priest. This priest did in fact punish Darwin's daughter (Annie) by making her kneel on rock-salt because she spoke in bible class about Dinosaurs existing, contradicting her priest's denial of the existence. Pre 1900's if you believed in Dinosaurs then it was a contradiction to divine creation. What happened? Later on, catholics came up with a way to somehow make their biblical tales concide with Dinosaurs? (how?)

Whatever ...

Anyways, how do catholic "die-hards" explain the whole dinosaur thing? Were the biblical tales taking place on a continent where dinos didn't exist? (Science proved the whole world was at one point simply one continent) When the bible was written/created/thought up there was no indication to the men doing it that there were indeed dinosaurs? So it was a "curve-ball" thrown at them from realists?

If man was created in God's image ... who created Dinosaurs? Is there mention of it in the bible? If the world was created in 7 days then dinos had to be on around that time ... perhaps God let Adam & Eve run around frivolously without fear of gigantic lizards so he waited 2 whole extra weeks before creating the first dinosaur?

Has this all changed? Can catholics believe in Dinosaurs without fear of God smiting them? I don't want to spontaneously combust by believing in T-Rexes. :rolleyes:

Religion needs to be modernized ... how do they expect the modern man to buy into this 100%?

For me it's 50% faith and 50% "keep my mouth shout or else I'll ask more questions and really not believe this stuff".

[Soundbear]

I believe in dinosaurs.

[dancingqueen]

I believe in dinosaurs.

So, when did God make Dinosaurs?
If God saw it fit to mention in the Bible the creation of squirrels, I'm sure he would not have left out dinosaurs.

[Bluesky]

Groannn. Not again. Why do you ask the same tired questions and discuss the same topics year after year. Is it perpetual groundhog day?

[NewCasa]

So, when did God make Dinosaurs?
If God saw it fit to mention in the Bible the creation of squirrels, I'm sure he would not have left out dinosaurs.

You've never heard of Tyranasaurus Chippie?

[Soundbear]

Groannn. Not again. Why do you ask the same tired questions and discuss the same topics year after year. Is it perpetual groundhog day?

Dixie has been here before??

It might make you wonder how a teacher can stick with the fourth grade year after year, but it's not a reason to quit answering questions.

[Soundbear]

So, when did God make Dinosaurs?
If God saw it fit to mention in the Bible the creation of squirrels, I'm sure he would not have left out dinosaurs.

Squirrels are mentioned in the bible??

[Soundbear]

So, when did God make Dinosaurs?
If God saw it fit to mention in the Bible the creation of squirrels, I'm sure he would not have left out dinosaurs.

God mentions everything He knows we need to know.

If you know better....

But let's leave this thread alone until Dixie comes back.

Just to see if he's serious.

[Dixie_Normous]

Unfortunately, I don't see anything worth reading yet ... I'm curious, seriously folks, my faith has been tested this last decade and I would like to hear some honest christian answers to see if I can rebut my own theories. My faith isn't tested by events or happenings, I simply have been opening my eyes a bit more and being more inquisitive. Everytime I talk to someone that can't answer the question they say "You must have faith."

Well piss on faith, give me answers ... concrete answers. Way too many things in the world point to religion & the bible being a farce, this dinosaur tidbit I heard over the weekend really made me shake my head.

It's been a continuous downslide for me ... all things screaming at me to not believe in Religion and heaven forbid ... even God.

Skyblue: Are you so distorted you don't even want to touch on that subject (again). Show me the original, I'll read that and post from there.

So, I find it very hard to believe "God" wouldn't mention dinosaurs. I believe it was man, who knew nothing about them at the time who simply didn't account for it. How were they supposed to know?

I believe any free-thinking soul will question the bible's integrity if the literature isn't updated or improved.

** Please realize anything said is my belief or understanding and I don't mean to belittle anyone with the opposing thought or theory.

[Clovis 888]

Dinosaurs are not in the bible because God did not write the bible. People did. People did not find dinosaurs until a long time after they wrote the bible.

People make mistakes.

God, not so much.

[Bluesky]

Dixie and SoundBear, my response was to DQ. Over and out.
I typically don't repond where I see attitude.
And yes, I can be selective about whom I interact with.

[dancingqueen]

Dixie and SoundBear, my response was to DQ. Over and out.
I typically don't repond where I see attitude.
And yes, I can be selective about whom I interact with.

no attitude was intended.
I fear I sometimes appear to show attitude when it is not my intent.

[Blunt]

It's been a continuous downslide for me ... all things screaming at me to not believe in Religion and heaven forbid ... even God.

'Thinking' will do that to a person..

[Dixie_Normous]

Dinosaurs are not in the bible because God did not write the bible. People did. People did not find dinosaurs until a long time after they wrote the bible.

People make mistakes.

God, not so much.

So when did dinosaurs exist? After Adam & Eve? Before? Science proved dinosaurs roamed without humans around, if the world was created in seven days and Adam & Eve were there from the start then when in the world do these biblical tales coincide with dinosaurs roaming the earth?

Oh the contradictions ...

[Dixie_Normous]

Dixie and SoundBear, my response was to DQ. Over and out.
I typically don't repond where I see attitude.
And yes, I can be selective about whom I interact with.

Well as long as you're out then ... you aren't exactly adding much to this discussion. Mine isn't attitude sorry, maybe you just don't like the questions that are asked because like most other catholics you talk to; you have no answers.

Perhaps just another blind follower who dare not question.

[Bluesky]

Smile... okay,
DQ, I didn't mean YOU had attitude. But I am thinking anyone with the handle, Big **** has attitude.. I have a hard time taking you seriously.
You are looking for honest answers. I will try. (btw, I am not a catholic.)

There are several different ways that dinosaurs can fit into the Christian worldview. I know of NO Christian who teaches they didn't exist.

1. The Bible makes reference to some unspecified huge animals that may or may not describe dinosaurs. Google the word Leviathan.

2. There are legit interpretations of Genesis 1 that sees an indefinite period of time prior to the creation of man.. somewhere between Gen 1:1 and 2.

3. There is the young earth perspective, that the earth and all of creation (including dinosairs) were on the earth not more than 10,00 years ago, and that the appearance of age was caused by a global flood.

Ultimately, whether a person believes in Old Creation, Young Creation or even theistice evolution, all three models offer explanations.

[kitca]

catholics are not fundamentalists. they believe in jesus and evolution. they acknowlege the bible is notword for word, but told in stories or fables. at least some of the catholics i know in my family.

[R W G R]

Yes, I believe in dinosaurs. Yes I am Catholic.

[dancingqueen]

Smile... okay,
DQ, I didn't mean YOU had attitude. But I am thinking anyone with the handle, Big **** has attitude.. I have a hard time taking you seriously.
You are looking for honest answers. I will try. (btw, I am not a catholic.)

There are several different ways that dinosaurs can fit into the Christian worldview. I know of NO Christian who teaches they didn't exist.

1. The Bible makes reference to some unspecified huge animals that may or may not describe dinosaurs. Google the word Leviathan.

2. There are legit interpretations of Genesis 1 that sees an indefinite period of time prior to the creation of man.. somewhere between Gen 1:1 and 2.

3. There is the young earth perspective, that the earth and all of creation (including dinosairs) were on the earth not more than 10,00 years ago, and that the appearance of age was caused by a global flood.

Ultimately, whether a person believes in Old Creation, Young Creation or even theistice evolution, all three models offer explanations.

Point one was about a single incident with (I think it was) Job where God was showing his power, these where not dinosaurs, rather mythological creatures that breathed fire and whatnot.
Point 2, I am not familiar with, so would have to read up on that.
Point 3 would imply that man and dinosaurs lived together along with the animals we see today, it would also mean that Noah did not take all animals on his ark (i'm not sure if it says he did take two of every animal or not) Science will tell us that man and Dinosaurs never shared the earth together.

[R W G R]

When Fundamentalists look to the Bible as a science text, look out.

[dancingqueen]

the book itself does not have to be a science book, but it should at least be able to not defy science....

[R W G R]

the book itself does not have to be a science book, but it should at least be able to not defy science....

Is science the ultimate arbiter?

[dancingqueen]

no, but it is one of them and should not be completely ignored.

[Clovis 888]

Excuse me for interrupting but Leviathan was a giant sea monster...and as a demon he's a crowned prince of Hell.

Did a short web search to be sure, you can google this stuff if you want.

If Leviathan was a dinosaur why haven't we found any evidence that dinosaurs breathed fire or guarded the gates of hell yet?

Just curious!


Face it, there are no dinosaurs in the Bible because the Bible was written before mankind discovered dinosaur bones and we had no idea how long our world has been around. We had no clue it was round, or that we went around the sun, not the other way.

Surely if the Bible was written by God, he'd detail how the world was created a little more accurately for us.

[Bluesky]

Okay...

[Blunt]

Ah, SkyBlue agrees with Clovis

[Bluesky]

No, it's just that Clovis uses google as a source to tell me what the Bible means by Leviathin. So I said, (hear my best shaky voice) okay... I can't argue with google. Tip o the hat to Clovis and "Have a nice day"

[dancingqueen]

No, it's just that Clovis uses google as a source to tell me what the Bible means by Leviathin. So I said, (hear my best shaky voice) okay... I can't argue with google. Tip o the hat to Clovis and "Have a nice day"

Well, in all fairness you did say to do a google search on it...
So far, I think clovis' idea is the most reasonable explanation, although in all fairness I did not yet investigate point 2 made by you earlier.
Does Clovis' point not sound logical to you by the idea that the Bible was inspired by God to mankind?

[Soundbear]

Well, in all fairness you did say to do a google search on it...
So far, I think clovis' idea is the most reasonable explanation, although in all fairness I did not yet investigate point 2 made by you earlier.
Does Clovis' point not sound logical to you by the idea that the Bible was inspired by God to mankind?

No.

There is no clear definition as tho what leviatan means, no matter what Google says.

[Bluesky]

Well, in all fairness you did say to do a google search on it...

Groan. You're right. I should have said, use Google to find out what the Bible means by Leviathan.


So far, I think clovis' idea is the most reasonable explanation, although in all fairness I did not yet investigate point 2 made by you earlier.
Does Clovis' point not sound logical to you by the idea that the Bible was inspired by God to mankind?

I don't get your final statement, Sorry.

[NewCasa]

No.

There is no clear definition as tho what leviatan means, no matter what Google says.

How about Oxford? Will you accept that one? Because maybe, just maybe someone knows better than you do?

leviathan
/livithn/

• noun 1 (in biblical use) a sea monster. 2 a very large or powerful thing.

— ORIGIN Hebrew.

[theShadow]

Number two could apply to dinosaur


What types of dinosaur remains have they found in the middle east ?

[dancingqueen]

Groan. You're right. I should have said, use Google to find out what the Bible means by Leviathan.



I don't get your final statement, Sorry.

Sorry, I thought I might have been unclear, I'm drunk now but will address it in the morning... Know that my point is not "anti-religious"... Rather I think Mike wants to believe and I support this.
(If that makes any sense, again I will elaborate when I'm sober-er)

[Bluesky]

Sorry, I thought I might have been unclear, I'm drunk now but will address it in the morning... Know that my point is not "anti-religious"... Rather I think Mike wants to believe and I support this.
(If that makes any sense, again I will elaborate when I'm sober-er)

You shouldn't post when drunk.
I think you just outed someone... who's Mike?

[NewCasa]

You shouldn't post when drunk.
I think you just outed someone... who's Mike?

Ummmm.....Blue? If you have to ask who Mike is - he isn't outed, right? Just saying.... ;)

[Bluesky]

Ummmm.....Blue? If you have to ask who Mike is - he isn't outed, right? Just saying.... ;)

Well, not to ME.. but maybe to others.. just sayin'.

[Wisdom]

Smile... okay,
DQ, I didn't mean YOU had attitude. But I am thinking anyone with the handle, Big **** has attitude.. I have a hard time taking you seriously.
You are looking for honest answers. I will try. (btw, I am not a catholic.)

There are several different ways that dinosaurs can fit into the Christian worldview. I know of NO Christian who teaches they didn't exist.

1. The Bible makes reference to some unspecified huge animals that may or may not describe dinosaurs. Google the word Leviathan.

2. There are legit interpretations of Genesis 1 that sees an indefinite period of time prior to the creation of man.. somewhere between Gen 1:1 and 2.

3. There is the young earth perspective, that the earth and all of creation (including dinosairs) were on the earth not more than 10,00 years ago, and that the appearance of age was caused by a global flood.

Ultimately, whether a person believes in Old Creation, Young Creation or even theistice evolution, all three models offer explanations.

Again Interpretive....Vague concepts seems to be an unfortunate theme through christian doctorate....

[Soundbear]

....Vague concepts seems to be an unfortunate theme through christian doctorate....

Not really. It is the "vague" concepts you want to hold up, in order to clear your conscience about disregarding those concepts that are NOT so vague.

"Beleieve on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

Jesus: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me."

Matt 10:32-33
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

[Bluesky]

Wisdom, trying to discover where dinosaurs can be found in the Bible is not a matter of Christian "doctorate" (sic- the word is doctrine) but rather of speculation. Thus the vagueness. There is nothing specific, because, well, there is nothing specific mentioned in the text.

You see? You DO frequently take opportunity to criticize Christianity, even if it is just speculations of mine that you are criticising. So be honest, and quit posing as a peace loving, never the argumentative type. You have regularly subtly sniped at Christianity since coming on this board. It is disingenuous to take a speculation, use it as a representation of Christian doctrine and then generalize upon the nature of Christian doctrine.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, trying to discover where dinosaurs can be found in the Bible is not a matter of Christian "doctorate" (sic- the word is doctrine) but rather of speculation. Thus the vagueness. There is nothing specific, because, well, there is nothing specific mentioned in the text.

You see? You DO frequently take opportunity to criticize Christianity, even if it is just speculations of mine that you are criticising. So be honest, and quit posing as a peace loving, never the argumentative type. You have regularly subtly sniped at Christianity since coming on this board. It is disingenuous to take a speculation, use it as a representation of Christian doctrine and then generalize upon the nature of Christian doctrine.


Which type of christianity are you refering to there are many out there....I think that is because there are many interpretation of the original doctorate.....That's what I am saying....you interpretation may not be seen the same as others.....unspecified huge animals can be interpreted MANY MANY ways.....I am saying if the description was more specific it would not be up for interpretation!

[R W G R]

you interpretation may not be seen the same as others

You just dismantled Sola Scriptura in ten words.

Not bad. Not bad at all.

[Bluesky]

Which type of christianity are you refering to there are many out there....I think that is because there are many interpretation of the original doctorate.....That's what I am saying....you interpretation may not be seen the same as others.....unspecified huge animals can be interpreted MANY MANY ways.....I am saying if the description was more specific it would not be up for interpretation!

Listen.. you go by the name WISDOM. Perhaps you ought to scale back a bit. You don't listen very well. That is a prerequisite for wisdom.

In this area, you do not know what you do not know. Please don't persist. And I promise I will not try to be an expert in matters of native spirituality. Deal?

And you refuse to take correction. You keep using the word doctorate.. after I corrected you!

A doctorate is a degree
A doctrine is a teaching..

[R W G R]

Listen.. you go by the name WISDOM. Perhaps you ought to scale back a bit. You don't listen very well. That is a prerequisite for wisdom.

In this area, you do not know what you do not know. Please don't persist. And I promise I will not try to be an expert in matters of native spirituality. Deal?

There is NO interpretation out there among any theologian that interprets 'large animals' as dinosaurs with certainty.

He's basically saying, Wisdom, that if you do not agree with him then you obviously have some fundamental personality/psychological/cognitive defect that really hinders any further discussion.

Don't worry, you get used to it after a while.

[Bluesky]

Whoops. AW is angry with me because he lost an argument.

[R W G R]

Whoops. AW is angry with me because he lost an argument.

I did?

Where?

Does the massive blow the Augustine thread administered to your ego (which is much more important to you than intellect) now have you punch drunk?

[Bluesky]

Read the thread again.

[dancingqueen]

You shouldn't post when drunk.
I think you just outed someone... who's Mike?

I only posted drunk to let you know I was and would not be responding, I was quite sober when I started.
Mike, as in Mike Hunt :)
anyways, to elaborate on my point,
which was, I think more of an expansion on Clovis' point (correct m if I'm wrong Clovis)
The Bible was made by man correct?
inspired through God, and made by man.
Dinosaurs where not around then, in this way, it makes sense to me why there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible
I hope it makes sense to you this way Mike, God did not make the Bible according to Christianity, rather, he inspired the many authors in different way to write about the way they saw the world around them (along with other things that I am sure you already know, or an actual Christian would be better equipped to go into more detail)
So, when did he make dinosaurs?
You have to depend on science to tell us, the Bible does not speak of them, thus God did not feel any details about dinosaurs are needed for his purpose of inspiring the word of God into his people.

[NewCasa]

Ok gotta post this again because I'm pretty sure THIS is why dinos aren't in the bible....

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/Wanderer195/Dinosaurs-1.jpg

[Wisdom]

http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b245/Wanderer195/?action=view&current=Dinosaurs-1.jpg

[theShadow]

the Bible does not speak of them, thus God did not feel any details about dinosaurs are needed for his purpose of inspiring the word of God into his people.

I think this nails it pretty good.

[R W G R]

Where would it fit in the Bible?


"For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, and made dinosaurs"

Doesn't seem right.

[Wisdom]

Listen.. you go by the name WISDOM. Perhaps you ought to scale back a bit. You don't listen very well. That is a prerequisite for wisdom.

In this area, you do not know what you do not know. Please don't persist. And I promise I will not try to be an expert in matters of native spirituality. Deal?

And you refuse to take correction. You keep using the word doctorate.. after I corrected you!

A doctorate is a degree
A doctrine is a teaching..

I refuse to take correction....!!!
what the heck does that mean?
I refuse to take correction.....seriously?

maybe you don't mean that how it sounds....it sounds like something my father would say....sounds very condescending....

[Bluesky]

Well, (you sound angry), when I corrected you on the simplest thing (you mistakenly used the word 'doctorate' where you should have used the word 'doctrine') you repeatedly made the same mistake.

[R W G R]

maybe you don't mean that how it sounds....it sounds like something my father would say....sounds very condescending....

Bingo.

Don't expect him to see it that way, though.

[Bluesky]

Translation: I'm angry that Skyblue started that other thread, so now I will attack him in every other thread.

[R W G R]

Translation: I'm angry that Skyblue started that other thread, so now I will attack him in every other thread.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

I win. :)

[NewCasa]

Where would it fit in the Bible?


"For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, and made dinosaurs"

Doesn't seem right.

Hey is that a direct quote? Got a source for that? That could clear all this stuff up really well!

[NewCasa]

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

I win. :)

And flattery is the insincerest form of intimation.

[R W G R]

And flattery is the insincerest form of intimation.

Attempt: deep wit

Result: confusing non sequiter


Good try though, ol' chap :)

[Wisdom]

Well, (you sound angry), when I corrected you on the simplest thing (you mistakenly used the word 'doctorate' where you should have used the word 'doctrine') you repeatedly made the same mistake.

not anger... confusion.....
I am ok that I make mistakes....in fact I make mistakes all the time....
I just am confused why you got so heated about the way i spelled doctorate....or was that your way of showing that you are intellectually superior?

[R W G R]

not anger... confusion.....
I am ok that I make mistakes....in fact I make mistakes all the time....
I just am confused why you got so heated about the way i spelled doctorate....or was that your way of showing that you are intellectually superior?


Well, he spelled "treatise" wrong just now on another thread. You think he might get upset with himself?



In that case, you clearly do not know or understand what you are arguing about. You want me to read that tratise for you?? It's there in plain English


Naaaaaaaahhhh :)

[dancingqueen]

Where would it fit in the Bible?


"For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, and made dinosaurs"

Doesn't seem right.

hahahahaha

[R W G R]

Did you really laugh? Or are you being facetious?

[Wisdom]

hahahahaha


not nice to make fun of some ones religious doctrine.....its kinna sacrilegious....

[dancingqueen]

Did you really laugh? Or are you being facetious?

You mean, you can't tell?

[R W G R]

You mean, you can't tell?

Sadly, I cannot.

[dancingqueen]

Well, I really laughed :)
That was funny :)

[R W G R]

:)

Well, time for hockey. See everyone tomorrow.

And Sky, please get some rest. You seem severely agitated, and not at all like yourself.

Take a break, even God did. :)