View Full Version : MBG support group meeting

07-25-2007, 10:14 AM
Monday July 30th at 7 oclock for all want to attend..
Very casual at my home.
pm me for address or more information

Sorry Tippy.. This is the best day for me. Hope you can make it

07-25-2007, 10:54 AM
Oh well have fun guys.

07-25-2007, 11:51 PM

07-26-2007, 01:57 PM
Looks like i'm goin with the full gastric bypass /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif I can't sway my nurse practitioner to even looking at the MGB procedure. I hope eveyrthing goes ok with my surgery.

07-26-2007, 01:59 PM
why is she so against it?

Bill Nash
07-26-2007, 02:05 PM
There is not any difference between the two procedures except that the MGB is less invassive and probably safer. Your nurse practitioner (as was mine) is probably un-informed on either procedure. It is up to you to give them as much info as possible and convince them that the MGB is the was to go. Come to the meeting a Babzz house and you will get loads of info to help you with this. I will give you an MGB manual.
Good luck!

07-26-2007, 02:11 PM
Good suggestion.
Come and grab a manual and meet us all. Give the manual to your nurse practitioner to look over. Very informal bunch so no worries k..

07-26-2007, 02:28 PM
Because it hasn't been performed as many times as the RNY and there is no scientific research to back it up. She argues me every step of the way. Even went as far as saying the website is a hoax, and everyone is being paid to talk about it! If I do have to get the RNY, I for sure want the laproscopic, and it seems to me that Munson Medical Center does not do the laproscopic. But yes, I most likely will attend. Can you PM me the address again please?

07-26-2007, 02:50 PM
pm sent

07-26-2007, 03:51 PM
What is MGB? Sorry to sound so stupid, but I have no clue.

07-26-2007, 04:10 PM
mini gastric bypass...

Can anyone bring a copy of their family support letter as a sample? Just white out the personal information. Thanks

07-26-2007, 04:48 PM
sorry, i cant, i lent my whole binder to a friend. but i can tell what it said.

07-26-2007, 04:53 PM
dragonfly, come to the meeting and maybe we can help you with what to say to your NP. mine was the same way too, but i had researched the whole thing and was able to very confidently and assertivly tell her the difference in the 2 surgeries and why i wanted the mgb and NOT the rny. i believe it is YOUR DECISION, not the NPs to make, and once you know both surgeries and can tell the NP maybe she will listen to you. especially with so many of us mbgers right here from the soo!

07-26-2007, 06:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kitca</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sorry, i cant, i lent my whole binder to a friend. but i can tell what it said. </div></div>

great kitca

I am working on my packet and its making me /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

07-26-2007, 07:18 PM
Hi guys just talk to Penny the other day and apparently her friend from here (the soo) had her surgery on the 12 and had major complications with a leak and stuff. She is still in the hospital and they did reverse the surgery but apparently the women has lost the feeling in her left arm. They are not sure why yet but she's still in the hospital.
Just thought I would let you all know. Now I'm starting to second guess this surgery. I'm a bit paranoid I think.

07-26-2007, 07:25 PM
Just checked the email Penny sent me to make sure I got the story right and it's not that she doesn't have feeling in her left arm it's that she can't move her left arm.

07-26-2007, 08:36 PM
keep us posted on how she is please

07-26-2007, 09:01 PM
I will.

07-26-2007, 10:46 PM
wow, that is scarey. it is true, there can be complications with any surgery. part of doing that whole packet is to remind us that it could happen. it is very rare, but could.

i met her at your place babzz, she was so nice, i hope she is ok and recovering.

07-27-2007, 12:34 AM
It's not Penny that had the surgery it was her friend. I think you guys read my post wrong.

07-27-2007, 09:53 AM
I am having the RNY done in the spring, in Marquette MI, I would like to come and discuss the MBG because I have never heard of it,and I want to know if thats the better way to go. Please PM me your address.
Thanks, Tammy

07-27-2007, 11:18 AM
pm sent

07-28-2007, 01:48 AM
yes tippi, i thot it was the friend that had been at babzz that nite, but it turns out it was another friend from the soo.

07-28-2007, 02:16 AM
do you know how she is doing??

07-28-2007, 11:04 AM
i talked to penny yesterday and she said she is recovering, that she got a pinched nerve to her arm causing the problem with her arm. i think penny will be there on monday and can fill us all in.

07-28-2007, 11:13 AM
I am so relieved she is ok.. It was kinda giving me second thoughts about all whole thing..
but no..
I wanna do it /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Bill Nash
07-28-2007, 11:52 AM
Dragonfly, ...

Obviously your nurse practitioner knows nothing about the Mini Gastric Bypass performed at the CLOS Centers in the United States. She is being very irresponsible to make statements such as "...it is a hoax...", and ".... people are being paid to say things...". I know three people who have pictures and statements posted on the clos.net website, and none of them are being paid.

I had the surgery on May 15 2007 and am doing just fine, thank you. Your nurse practitioner is probably uninformed about the MGB just as mine was, .... but at least mine listened to the information I presented with an open mind and then lent her informed support.

Come to the meeting on Monday and learn more. It is the only way to approach this subject. See you there.

07-29-2007, 07:40 PM

07-30-2007, 02:35 PM
up again.. we have a few coming and all are welcome

07-30-2007, 03:31 PM
I talked to Penny today and she said she won't be able to make either.

07-30-2007, 09:31 PM
Good meeting guys!! Very informative!!! I guess it is time to get all my preop and postop meds together now that I have my approval

07-30-2007, 10:07 PM
/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif I am soooo thrilled for you Kelly

07-30-2007, 10:18 PM
congrats to you kelbear, im so excited for you!!!! woooohooo, it was nice to meet the others. babzz, are you getting enough info? if there is anything i can do to help you guys, just give me a shout ok.

07-30-2007, 10:21 PM
will do kitca
Once I get the ohip approval I will most likly not leave you alone lol
packet is almost done and just need to write my support letter and find a way to get there /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

07-31-2007, 08:18 AM
Here Babzz Call this # .. her name is Bev Lyman. Just say your calling to see if she has recieved your OHIP application, 1-613-536-3123. She was great with me!!!

07-31-2007, 10:52 AM
thanks kelly /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

07-31-2007, 11:46 AM
Got my OHIP approval in hand.. I was just reading it and learned that lapriscopic banding is not an insured proceedure... interesting..

07-31-2007, 12:19 PM
What does that mean?

07-31-2007, 12:33 PM
you know the lapband surgery?? I think that is what they mean..

Yep found this website.. and it was one of my first options.. but I didn't know it wasn't covered.

07-31-2007, 12:43 PM
oh yes I knew that because that is what my doctor first suggested. Then I found out it wasn't covered and was like 30 grand.

07-31-2007, 01:10 PM
Yes.. that is the one my doc suggested too.. guess he doesn't know that it isn't covered.

07-31-2007, 01:53 PM
Mine didn't either.

08-01-2007, 11:59 PM
Got my flight booked... and hotel.. I am all ready to go.. I can't wait... counting down the days!!! YEE HAW!!!!

08-02-2007, 12:00 AM
/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/beerchug.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/high5.gif

08-02-2007, 11:07 AM
I'm happy for you KelBear. Good luck.

08-02-2007, 04:24 PM
Does anyone know if the prescriptions that they call into the pharmacy for you are covered or not??

Bill Nash
08-03-2007, 12:06 AM
The prescriptions are not part of the $17,000.00 OHIP pays. You have to claim them with your general health insurance.

08-03-2007, 11:05 AM
I understand that.. but do know if they are typically covered by any general health insurance companies??

08-03-2007, 11:32 AM
yes, ive got liberty health, and they were all covered. but not the non rx stuff that you have to get, youre on your own for that.

my hairdresser just got her ohip approval yesterday,! tippi, you remember meeting her? she is so excited! bay city beginning of september. im so happy for her

and happy for you kelbear, have a great surgery and a great trip to vegas. after a couple days youll probably feel like checking out all the sights and stuff, maybe not alot of walking at first, so try to get a car and use vallet parking and have a BALL!

08-03-2007, 04:08 PM
Thanks Kitca.. I already bought all my "nonRX" stuff... spent about $100..I was just curious about the stuff they call into the pharmacy..

08-06-2007, 06:46 PM
Yes I remember her Kitca! Good for her.

08-12-2007, 02:13 PM
I had RNY done June 14 2005 since then I have lost 140 pounds and I have since had plastic surgery to remove my batwings. I had the procedure done in Rochester NY by Dr.William O'Malley. I absolutely love him the hospital and the staff. It was an amazing experience given the circumstances and would do it again in a minute. I have had no complications, have not vomited one since the surgery, granted there have been times where I have wanted to. I do dump when I eat things I shouldn't so I avoid that as much as possible. My life has been crazy busy since march and I have not made some of the best decisions. At least I am aware of this, I also have not been able to exercise as much as I would like but once September rolls around back to the gym I go and aqua fit a minimum of 2 times a week. Just wanted to share.

Also just my opinion but from my research and the support groups I was involved with in Ottawa as I lived there up until April The lap-band is not really a great option. I found that those who had lap band it cost them as it is not covered by OHIP. Doctors specially here in Ontario are not as informed about the procedure as they probably should be. There have been more complications with people that I know who have had lapband then those who had RNY. There is no behaviour modification which I firmly believe is a good thing. If you know you are going to get sick if you eat sugar then you wont eat sugar that does not happen with Lapband. Also you have to continually go for what they call "fills" They have to inject the band with more fluid to keep the ban tight around the stomach otherwise it deflates and can cause the band to slip and stomach to return to its previous size. Ban slippage is apparently very common as well.

regardless of what procedure you do, do your research not just on the procedure but on the surgeon. Honestly I would not, NOT, EVER let a Canadian doctor touch me, but that is just me. When it comes to gastric bypass the surgeons in the states are far better equipped and do this procedure everyday. My surgeon for example that is all he does 4 days a week. One day a week he is in his clinic seeing patients. And he has a complete team that works with his patients, nutritionists, psychologists, support groups, and nurses. Many canadian surgeons seem to think if they do the surgery we will lose the weight on our own and that is NOT the case. We need to be seen by a team of gastric bypass specialists who understand and know the physical and mental challenges we will face with the procedure.

My other advice for people having the surgery is to get up and walk, walk walk walk as much as possible. Two hours after my surgery I was walking. I did two laps around the nurses station every two hours even during the night. Everytime I had to go pee I wakled around the nurses station. Keep in mind the floor I was on was completely gastric bypass patients. The nurses said they never saw someone as determined as me and because of that I walked 1.5 miles in two days, I was off all pain meds and the day I left the hospital (2 days after surgery) I went to the mall and shopped for 5 hours. Granted it was walk and sit walk and sit but i did it. the more you sit the more you get "anesthesia blues" you feel sluggish and tired, the more you move the better you will feel.

08-13-2007, 10:09 AM
congrats to you magicfingers, thats a fantastic loss!!! glad to hear you are complication free also. me too, its just a whole new lease on life!

08-14-2007, 01:07 AM
Definitely is and for anyone that says it is an easy way out. Or if anyone who is thinking of having the surgery and thinks it will be easy it is in some respects but much more difficult in others. And people who have never had a weight issue don't understan how difficult the surgery is. Specially for someone with a food addiction and has 99.9% of their food cut off to them.

08-14-2007, 04:50 PM
By the way for people having the surgery outside of Canada whatever part is not covered by OHIP such as travel expenses and some meds you can claim on your income taxes. Keep all your receipts even for parking and such. Keep all hotel reciepts, gas/car rental/food for your spouse as you won't be eating much after surgery but keep ALLLLLLL receipts and claim it. Also there are some meds that you may need to get while you are away some of those meds you can not get here in canada so therefore they are not covered by OHIP. Just a piece of advice.

08-31-2007, 09:58 AM
Thought I would update you guys here... I am now 20 lbs down... and it has only been 10 days since surgery!! Crazy.. I must tell you though... I am really having a hard time with not being able to eat what I used to. I hope I get used to it.. other than that.. I feel great.. before the surgery I was getting headaches everyday.. I haven't had one since. ttys

08-31-2007, 11:10 AM
That is wonderful Kelbear.. I hope we can get together soon and chat. I am anxious to hear all about it /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

no name brand!
09-01-2007, 07:45 PM
well I said i would never speak on this topic again...but here I am, well I thought its very nice all the positive talk about this and similar operations, but whos talking complications..i had the operation in 99 lost all my weight...8 years later i have complications they cant fix. Now what? yep there are NO long term studies on the long terms effect of this operation, there are no "fixes" much later and yet they are still doing them. I have a complication now that i can die from...and no dr will touch me with a 10 foot pole..... pm for more information I did not come to start any issues i came to show the other side.

09-02-2007, 10:04 AM
Im sorry to hear that Nucomm...I wish you all the best. That is the reason I will never get this done. There is no way in hell anyone will talk me into this. Nobody knows the long term effect of this surgery years down the road. Its major surgery, anything can happen. If you are slightly overweight, why would anyone want to volunteer and go thru this. Your whole life changes. Eating like a bird the rest of your life, never enjoying food again, no thank you.I can understand if someone is 400 pounds or more and they need this operation to have some kind of normal life, but if your only slightly overweight like 50-100 pounds, diet and exercise is the way to go. Put your mind to it and it will work.

09-02-2007, 10:26 AM
Everyone also needs to keep in mind the the procedure has come along way since 99 they are making new advances everyday just about and well to be honest a lot depends on the surgeon and how experienced he is and which procedure you had done.

It sucks that some people have immediate complications some are due to their own lack of judgement and own actions some are due to surgeons errors and well some are just luck of the draw. Different surgeons use different methods and have different procedures. Some of which are better then others and cut down the risks.

Some people have complications later down the road. Of the procedures my surgeon has completed he has had less then a 2% complication rate he has been performing the procedure for more then 10 years uses state of the art equipment and procedures and well performs more then 1200 surgeries a year.

Feel bad that you are having complications..have you looked into doctors in the states?

09-10-2007, 09:24 PM
I am now 26lbs down.. 3 weeks out of surgery and still in stage 1 foods.. I guess I am not the typical healer... so stage 2 has to wait.. Looking forward to seeing everyone at the next meeting.

09-10-2007, 09:59 PM
I will organize one soon kelly.. this week is not good but maybe next week.. I will get back to you

Bill Nash
09-10-2007, 11:38 PM
Kelly, don't worry. I basically did stage one foods for 3 weeks as well. I am just getting out of stage two foods and I am 4 month out. Sometimes its a long process, but it does work out.

As the doctor probably told you, the longer you can stay in stage one and two, the more weight you will lose.

Good luck!

09-11-2007, 11:20 AM
I am just worried about the pain I feel when trying stage 2 foods.. did you feel that handyman?? Is that why you were in stage one so long?? I just hope nothing is wrong..

09-11-2007, 11:31 AM
I would hate to miss another meeting if you have it next week. I will be in Las Vegas until the 23rd. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cry.gif

09-11-2007, 11:47 AM
My best advice is don't rush through the stages.....Listen to your body when it is ready to move to the next stage it will tell you.

Bill Nash
09-11-2007, 02:29 PM
That was exactly the reason, Kelly. It feels a little sore to eat the solid or more solid food. It is trial and error as to what will go down easily.

Eggs, chicken (most meat), and pasta are a definite nono for a while. Also rice is hard to take in. You might think that really limits you, but with some variation of favorite foods, you'll get by. Try things in small doses and if they work, great.

good luck.

09-11-2007, 03:30 PM
I just heard that Dr. D is no longer doing surgery's in Bay City. He did have some major complications this summer. He had 4 leaks in a row and so he stopped doing them until Dr. R could come down in September to see what the problem is.
Penny did have her surgery last week and was apparently his second last patient because he will no longer be doing surgeries. So I'm assuming now they will no longer be doing surgeries in Bay City at all now and that you would have to go somewhere else. I have contacted Kim to see what people are suppose to do that are in the process of having this done in Bay City.

09-11-2007, 04:16 PM

09-11-2007, 04:23 PM
Yep just waiting for my phone call from Kim.

09-11-2007, 04:24 PM
This surgery is starting to look like not such a good idea with all the bad things that have been happening with it.

09-11-2007, 04:25 PM
I just emailed her!

09-11-2007, 04:25 PM
hey wanna go to vegas again in a few months /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

09-11-2007, 04:55 PM
/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif don't think my husband will allow that.

09-11-2007, 04:56 PM
I think with all the problems they are having I have to reconsider the surgery.

09-11-2007, 04:57 PM
My husband wasn't supportive before all this garbage. There's no way in hell he will be supportive now that's for sure.

09-11-2007, 10:16 PM
But that was from Dr. D not Dr. Rutledge.. when I was down in las vegas.. he mentioned something about another doctor that he has trained starting up somewhere else. I am glad I went to Vegas thats forsure...

09-11-2007, 10:17 PM
By the way thanks Handyman.. you made me feel better about how I am feeling..I will take it slow.. and I don't mind doing that. .I was just worried about the pain..

09-11-2007, 10:27 PM
did kim call you yet tippy?

09-11-2007, 10:40 PM
No still haven't heard anything!!!

09-11-2007, 11:19 PM
holy smokes, i wonder what happened then with dr. d?!? i am not having any problems at all, thank god. he certainly has done many many successful surgeries. hmmm, i really wonder what happened. my hairdresser got rescheduled to las vegas, she was to have her surgery in bay city, but is in vegas now.

09-11-2007, 11:21 PM
Makes me nervous kitca ..

09-12-2007, 07:35 AM
I recieved a letter from kim this morning. I can forward it to anyone interested

09-12-2007, 07:55 AM
I also received that letter.

09-12-2007, 03:05 PM
can you please pm me that letter too. thx.

Bill Nash
09-12-2007, 09:22 PM
I also received a letter from Kim Hazen in Bay City. She said that Dr. D has decided not to do any more MBG's, but did not say why. The part about 4 leaks in a row is only speculation on someones part.

Dr. D is still available for the regular follow-up of his current MBG patients, but is taking on no more MBG patients. Kim Hazen will continue to work for CLOS out of Bay City in the same capacity she has before with assistance for new and old MBG patients.

I have great respect for Dr. Doroghazi as a doctor, and even more as a new friend. His honesty and integrity is something I wish more people would show. I am very happy that he is still there for any follow-up I need as one of his patients.

I would not hesitate to encourage anyone considering weight loss surgery to have the MGB at one of the other facilities. If the other doctors are anything like Dr. D, you too will be in good hands.

09-12-2007, 09:27 PM
I would really like to know why he is not doing it anymore. The fact that he suddenly stopped makes me nervous as hell..

09-12-2007, 09:47 PM
Got this off of a post on the MGB messageboard

As you are aware, Dr Rutledge did go to Michigan this past week at Dr
Doroghazi's request. Dr D, recently, had some technical difficulties
with the process and was not as comfortable as he would like to be
performing the surgery. Dr Doroghazi made the decision, along with Dr
Rutledge, to cancel surgeries until Dr Rutledge could be there. Dr D
has always had, and will continue to always have, the patient's
optimal safety and health in the forefront. Never would he put his
own livelihood or ego before that of a human being's life.

09-12-2007, 09:57 PM
by the way ate some potatos today... with no pain!!!! YEAH!!!

09-15-2007, 03:46 PM
Anyone want my Citricel??? I used it about 6 times.. and I can't stand it.. I have to get a different form on fibre...it is a huge container and I paid like $15 for it...

Bill Nash
09-15-2007, 06:25 PM
Try "Fibre Sure" in chewable caplet or tasteless powder. It is way better.

09-16-2007, 03:05 AM
Thanks.. sounds like a plan..

09-16-2007, 11:12 PM
i use benefibre from across the river, the noname brand, which i like better than the name brand. it is non thickening, flavourless, gritless... you dont even know its there, except it keeps me wonderfully regular and does its job.

i couldnt stand the citrucel either. yuck.

i see you had no pain with potatoes, how is the whole pain thing going? i hpe its over!

09-17-2007, 03:45 PM
it is over.. thank god!!!! I was really worried... 29lbs down today.

09-17-2007, 07:40 PM
wow... congrats!!!

Bill Nash
09-20-2007, 12:39 AM
Now officially down 100 pounds!!

09-20-2007, 08:59 AM
Congratulations Handyman, thats incredible.

Good for you! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/beerchug.gif

09-20-2007, 10:17 AM
/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/high5.gif WOW!!!

How is tuesday the 25th sound for another meeting? Tippy will be back by then. seven oclock at my place

09-20-2007, 11:05 PM
sounds good to me, id like to kel and hanydyman. 100, thats great!