Murder Victim Dismembered - Police

[Craig Huckerby]

http://soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=29353 This is turning into something you see in a police drama or something...lots of rumours going around too.

[chase_me]

It is a terrible crime, I feel for the family of the victim.

[Misschix]

u know what **** off right now...thats all i got to say drop the topic im in tears...

[Misschix]

I ask all plz drop it!

[HDV]

I know ur upset chixy, as are a lot of people who were friends with him. Im so sorry for your loss. Hope fully people can be respectful.

[Koss]

I think this is the right place to discuss news in the Soo, especially something as big as this. Certainly, no one should be disrespect or post unsubstantiated rumours here. But if the news is too much for you, perhaps you should stay away from soonet for a few days, or at least the threads involving them.

There has been a grizzly murder in the Soo and the killers are still at large. As the investigation continues, as a citizen I am interested in the news. Until all the answers are in place, this is going to be a topic of discussion.

[BrAt]

I agree with Koss. This is a huge news subject in the Sault and it is all over every news site (including news papers from other cities). It's going to be everywhere you look. I believe that it may be a good idea to steer clear of any news sites until all quiets down.

I am very sorry for the family and friends of this person (though I do not even know who it is). This is a tragic time for all of them. It would be respectful for all to refrain from nonsense posts as, like you can see, there are people here that know the deceased. It will be discussed, but just be nice people.

[Evil Monkey]

I know ur upset chixy, as are a lot of people who were friends with (name of victim removed from original post). Im so sorry for your loss. Hope fully people can be respectful.

Talking about respect maybe you should not be posting any part of the victims name on a BBS. The police did not release this information and I am not quite sure why you did? You seem to be pretty proud to know all these "questionable" people every time something as this happens! I am not surprised though!

[HDV]

Talking about respect maybe you should not be posting any part of the victims name on a BBS. The police did not release this information and I am not quite sure why you did? You seem to be pretty proud to know all these "questionable" people every time something as this happens! I am not surprised though!

You know what, I knew you were going to say this,. Everyone else knows people on here, not a word from you., I say a name and all of a sudden im best friends with the guy. I know of him yes, were we friends. We all get you hate me and stuff but why nit pick my posts and jump on me and no one else.
You knwo what dont bother answering that, if you dont like me or what i say ignore me. easy done.

[HDV]

also i was in the middle of editing it cause i did not mean to wrtie his name. U quoted it so i can t fix it

[MaO3]

I feel so badly for the victims family and friends, as well as the two youngsters that found the body and even those professionals investigating this terrible terrible crime.

That being said, I honestly think that this will be discussed at length for next little while. This is a very very big news story and while I have the utmost sympathy for all involved (except of course the MONSTER who did this) the story isn't going to go away.

I echo what Brat and Koss have said, people need to have some compassion for the family and carefully consider what they are posting BEFORE they post it.

[Evil Monkey]

You know what, I knew you were going to say this,. Everyone else knows people on here, not a word from you., I say a name and all of a sudden im best friends with the guy. I know of him yes, were we friends. We all get you hate me and stuff but why nit pick my posts and jump on me and no one else.
You knwo what dont bother answering that, if you dont like me or what i say ignore me. easy done.

What was the purpose of you posting the guys name? Does it make you feel better about yourself for posting his name? Obviously the police are not releasing it for a reason but you found it necessary to post it on a BBS? It is in cases like this that people like you should be charged by police for releasing information to the public that they refuse to release!

[cheeky]

Evil Monkey, would you please have the decency to remove your post with the quote it in it. There is no need for it at this time.

Thanks.

[chase_me]

Lets not complain about the small stuff people a life was loss and a killer is at large, one who is willing to do evil acts to another human being. I am hoping all involved in the case can get it solved quickly and get the help they will undoubtedly need after all they have seen.

[Brighteyes]

this is a frightening situation, thoughts and prayers to all family, friends, law enforcement , etc, that are dealing with this tragedy......

[Misschix]

I never said his name ..trust me last thing i want.....

[TNT]

Regardless of who said what, the name is out there, not just this site. Don't lose sight of what this is about. The name wasn't nesessary, but will be public anyway. This should be about condolences to the family and friends, and if not that, a reach out to anyone with info. Thats why these sites can prove time and time again useful. Aside from the slanderous usual garbage.

RiP "......" , you'll be remembered by many, and deepest sympathies to the family.
What has our quaint little town come too over the last decade? really?

[Bufford]

u know what **** off right now...thats all i got to say drop the topic im in tears...

I think you would be wise to turn your computer off for a couple days.

[HDV]

Regardless of who said what, the name is out there, not just this site. Don't lose sight of what this is about. The name wasn't nesessary, but will be public anyway. This should be about condolences to the family and friends, and if not that, a reach out to anyone with info. Thats why these sites can prove time and time again useful. Aside from the slanderous usual garbage.

RiP "......" , you'll be remembered by many, and deepest sympathies to the family.
What has our quaint little town come too over the last decade? really?

I agree. I was not trying to start any drama, but this is soonet. Anyways, there is now a facebook group for him. It is invites only i think though.

Condolences to his family and friends. I did not know him but I have heard of him.

[HDV]

I think you would be wise to turn your computer off for a couple days.

yes i agree as well. Seems as though you were very close to this guy. Maybe this is not the place to be right now. :(

[lynys]

While this person has quite the shady past, it is sad that his life had to end this way. I feel for the victim's family.

And, I am of the belief that it should be talked about, and people should know the details. While I am sure as are the police, that this is an isolated incident, it is still quite shocking to our community as a whole.

[tippikitty]

u know what **** off right now...thats all i got to say drop the topic im in tears...

You're going to have to do one of 2 things. 1. Put on your big girl pants on or 2. Turn your computer off. Because there is no way that this topic will not be discussed.

[Dixie_Normous]

What was the purpose of you posting the guys name? Does it make you feel better about yourself for posting his name? Obviously the police are not releasing it for a reason but you found it necessary to post it on a BBS? It is in cases like this that people like you should be charged by police for releasing information to the public that they refuse to release!

Someone call the WAHMBULANCE, Monkey-boy is crying.

Chill out ... he made a mistake and owned up to it. Suck it up Princess.

What's priceless is he kept the name even longer in his quote, if it was really as bad as Monkey played it out to be he wouldn't even have copied the name at first. He would have been attentive enough to omit the name in the quote.

[steve]

I feel for the cops,the kids that found him,and the family,i think this grizzley murder was a message to anyone that wants to cross the people that did this crime. as for the victim yes its sad but when you swim with sharks you usually get bit,will be interesting to see how this case pans out.

[Evil Monkey]

Someone call the WAHMBULANCE, Monkey-boy is crying.

Chill out ... he made a mistake and owned up to it. Suck it up Princess.

What's priceless is he kept the name even longer in his quote, if it was really as bad as Monkey played it out to be he wouldn't even have copied the name at first. He would have been attentive enough to omit the name in the quote.

I removed the name she put in there and left the edit to prove a point. The police did not release his name for a reason and no one should have posted it on the internet as it can compromise the ongoing investigation! Then again you seem to be a drama queen just like the person who posted the victims name in the first place!

I could have been ignorant like you and made an idiotic slur against gays and lesbians!

[BrAt]

If you kids can't play nice... get out of the damn sandbox! This thread is more than likely not for you to argue with each other about who did what and so on. Start your own!

[Cher]

We drive by the crime scene every day on our way into town. Hubby was on his way home with the kids when the first cop was on scene... road is STILL blocked off... I can only assume the killer wanted the victim found?? This area is often walked/jogged daily.. I hope they are able to find whoever did this quickly... we've had enough murders in our little town, haven't we??

[BrAt]

Road is now open.

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=50353

[Misschix]

I jusy hope people can respect,,,,thats all when they post...plz

[KDawg]

A murder this gruesome has to be highly personal. Very weird.

[tippikitty]

They released the name of the victim on the 6 o'clock news but I missed it. Did anyone see the news.

[Blue Lotus Rising]

Yes, I saw it. And yes, they did release a name but it has yet to be confirmed.

[ssmarie]

it is also reported that the person was decapitated - OMG - this is horrific - I did not catch the name but this is a very personal killing as KDawg mentioned. What an awful ordeal for family and friends - no matter who this person was - this is still a very ugly crime

[bluekrissyspikes]

if it was released on the news why doesn't sootoday have it? maybe they should watch the news...

[Blue Lotus Rising]

All they said on the news is that they suspect that it is *insert name here* but that it has yet to be confirmed through a post mortem. Watch the 1130 news. I refuse to post the name until it has been confirmed.

[Huggy85]

All they said on the news is that they suspect that it is *insert name here* but that it has yet to be confirmed through a post mortem. Watch the 1130 news. I refuse to post the name until it has been confirmed.

Good move Blue

[kramer]

This is huge news and tragedy for our small town. From what I understand the victim was dismembered of his head and hands. Terrible. I can't even imagine being a family member or friend of this young man. Not only losing a loved one, but the horrible thoughts of how he was killed.

[Brighteyes]

ya Kramer- I heard that too- it is horrifying!

[Misschix]

im so impresssed honestly that you all are being good...

[nightingale]

would someone please PM me the name of the victim? Condolences to the families and friends involved.....my prayers are with you.

[b&aMom]

Oh dear, they gave his name on the 11:30 news. My father and his grandfather have been friends a long time. I remember when his mom was pregnant with him, when I was a kid. My deepest, most heartfelt condolences to his family. I wish for you the strength you need in dealing with your loss.

[Light_Keeper]

This is a terrfible crime, However to die in that type of horror,says to me that this was a crime of payback for something, and it probilble was illegal.

Someone was sending a message and I'm sure the party involved got it.
I bet there was drugs or other illegal things going on behind the scences.
When you play with fire YOU will get burnt.

[starterwiz]

I heard that the perps were caught. Rumour omly, but I hope it's true.
My condolences to all who cared.
Kudos to the Soonet folks for showing respect. Chixy, you really shouldn't be here now. You have to deal with the truth, let alone the BS stories that are about to spout.
Go away from this for a bit, and find some peace. Keep strokin' is all I can say.

[Bufford]

Shocking, sounds like something you expect to hear happing in Mexico over a drug deal gone bad.

[Brighteyes]

The news stated that our local rumour mill has so far been quite correct- and wondering how people know so much so fast ???? Looose lips sink ships as they say so hopefully this will get the suspects caught and punished.

[iluvchristian]

The news stated that our local rumour mill has so far been quite correct- and wondering how people know so much so fast ????

It's not surprising at all. The family gets notified, who tell close friends as to get support to deal with the tragedy, who tell other close friends and it keeps going, till anybody who knew him finds out about it. Then there are also the people who find the victim, and the people who are on scene, who, due to the heinous nature of the crime tell other professionals in their field, or friends in a similar field, who tell their spouses or close friends. And it goes on and on.

[HDV]

There is a facebook group for him, It was created yesterday morning. Its by invite only.

[Blue Lotus Rising]

There is a facebook group for him, It was created yesterday morning. Its by invite only.

People can request to join.

[ssmarie]

No one has been apprehended yet - only a search warrant has been executed on a place on Wellington

[HDV]

People can request to join.

Oh Ok. My bad :( I did not know.

[Blue Lotus Rising]

Oh Ok. My bad :( I did not know.

I don't know if they're being accepted, but there is an "Ask To Join" button.

[Xzavia]

Terrible tradgedy...

My son's came home from school (highschool) talking about it, quite a few there apparently know all the details and don't mind telling anyone that will listen. My boys were a quite upset about it all, Hubby and I talked to them, told them this is one of the main reasons we are so paranoid about "letting go" so to speak with them. We can only hope and pray they stay on the straight and narrow path in life, or pretty close to it.

Sault Star website has a name released.
http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2930027

[KRP]

There's a few different rumours going around as to what happened, I've heard 2 completely different stories so far from different people. The only ones who know the exact truth is those that were involved/were there. Either way, no one deserved for this to happen to them. The person(s) who did this are sick and deserve the maximum punishment that can be handed down.

[KARM]

The extreme violence involved in the murder "is definitely disturbing and concerning," said Sgt. Lisa Kenopic.

"As far as we're concerned, there is no other threat to the community."

There's somebody out there capable of dismembering people and disposing of a human body like it's nothing but as far as the cops are concerned there is no threat to the community.

I feel much better.

[kramer]

No one deserves to die is such a horrible way. Again, I feel just horrible for the families involved on both sides.
"if ya play with the fish, expect to get bit' Unfortunately as reported, the victim was a nice man and had a good heart, just ran on the wrongside of the tracks. Very sad all around.

[riggs]

The extreme violence involved in the murder "is definitely disturbing and concerning," said Sgt. Lisa Kenopic.

"As far as we're concerned, there is no other threat to the community."

There's somebody out there capable of dismembering people and disposing of a human body like it's nothing but as far as the cops are concerned there is no threat to the community.

I feel much better.

Keep in mind, this type of crime is very personal. Believe the police when they say "no threat to the community"

[KARM]

Keep in mind, this type of crime is very personal. Believe the police when they say "no threat to the community"

If the person who did it is already behind bars for another offense or already in police custody then there is NO threat to the community. Otherwise, someone who is capable of doing such horrific things to another human being is a threat, in my opinion.

[riggs]

If the person who did it is already behind bars for another offense or already in police custody then there is NO threat to the community. Otherwise, someone who is capable of doing such horrific things to another human being is a threat, in my opinion.

This crime carries a message that is targeted. IMO

[Blue Lotus Rising]

This crime carries a message that is targeted. IMO

Right. Any Random Joe Blow walking down the street isn't going to be attacked.

[ssmarie]

I agree with riggs - unless you are associated with this in anyway then maybe you should be worried - I am not - I don't know this person or probably anyone he knows for that matter. It was an awful way to die and I feel for his family and friends. I also feel the person responsible for this will be caught. We are a small community. people talk and it is not to hard to figure out that someone who knew him did this

[riggs]

Right. Any Random Joe Blow walking down the street isn't going to be attacked.

So you believe this was random and this person is waiting to strike again?

[Blue Lotus Rising]

So you believe this was random and this person is waiting to strike again?

NO, I wasn't being sarcastic (this time). Relax and stop trying to read between the lines in what I said.

[Peety]

I agree with riggs - unless you are associated with this in anyway then maybe you should be worried - I am not - I don't know this person or probably anyone he knows for that matter. It was an awful way to die and I feel for his family and friends. I also feel the person responsible for this will be caught. We are a small community. people talk and it is not to hard to figure out that someone who knew him did this

This reminds me of the Greyhound bus murder. The person can not be very stable who did this.

[riggs]

NO, I wasn't being sarcastic (this time). Relax and stop trying to read between the lines in what I said.

OK then....................... moving on.

[riggs]

This reminds me of the Greyhound bus murder. The person can not be very stable who did this.

The Greyhound bus murder was very random Peety. Some poor soul just happen to be sitting in the wrong seat.

[b&aMom]

This reminds me of the Greyhound bus murder. The person can not be very stable who did this.

I would expect not. I would also expect there is more than one person involved.

[Peety]

The Greyhound bus murder was very random Peety. Some poor soul just happen to be sitting in the wrong seat.

I know.. I mean the guy was not with it.

[Blue Lotus Rising]

OK then....................... moving on.

I can't even agree with you without you questioning me. Odds are, you and I will agree from time to time.

[riggs]

I can't even agree with you without you questioning me. Odds are, you and I will agree from time to time.

I misunderstood your post Blue. That's why I questioned what you posted.

[italiandomino]

Rumour has it that this is a known criminal that has appeared in Sootoday a number of times. Just a rumour though.

[Blue Lotus Rising]

I misunderstood your post Blue. That's why I questioned what you posted.

Gotcha...

[Konig-OV]

Rumour has it that this is a known criminal that has appeared in Sootoday a number of times. Just a rumour though.


The victim in this case was charged with attempted murder himself. Still doesn't mean he deserves to die like that.

[ssmarie]

Sault Star has a story this morning - read it for yourself

[cybolynx]

only thing i can say is ... you shouldent steal from the hand that feeds you ...

[riggs]

Investigators remain confident that this homicide was not a random act of violence and that the victim and perpetrator were known to each other.


http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=50363

[IMHO]

Sometimes we reap what we sow. Its sad...but oh so true.

[The 6th Member Of AC/DC]

The victim in this case was charged with attempted murder himself. Still doesn't mean he deserves to die like that.

If you live by the sword......

[chris5]

Sometimes we reap what we sow. Its sad...but oh so true.

I think maybe a long jail term would be an appropriate time to make a statement like this.. when someone dies... well IMO a statement like this is just made in very poor taste... My sincere condolences to the family of this very unfortunate man...

Gotta wonder what kind of person would say something like this.... Not that I would want to know you, thats for sure... just kinda perplexing why someone would be that nasty a person to come up with a statement like this... The man is dead... with very terrible things done to his remains... absolutly terrible...

When you say something like this are you really saying the people that did this were somehow justified?

[chris5]

only thing i can say is ... you shouldent steal from the hand that feeds you ...

You have a good point.... never steal from the hand that feeds you... so very true... but for the people/person who did this... well you should never kill the people who steal from you... makes for a long jail term if you get caught... I think we should be worried that we have people living in our city that have the capacity to do the despicable things that this poor soul had done to him.. This is an absoulutly tragic crime against humanity...

[MagicFingers]

I think maybe a long jail term would be an appropriate time to make a statement like this.. when someone dies... well IMO a statement like this is just made in very poor taste... My sincere condolences to the family of this very unfortunate man...

Gotta wonder what kind of person would say something like this.... Not that I would want to know you, thats for sure... just kinda perplexing why someone would be that nasty a person to come up with a statement like this... The man is dead... with very terrible things done to his remains... absolutly terrible...

When you say something like this are you really saying the people that did this were somehow justified?

I don't know the person who made the statement but in that defense I will say although nothing justifies taking a life...ANd I don't think they meant the quote that way but intended to mean, when you lead a life of crime, hurtting others either physically, or mentally by robbing them and such then you have to come to expect that not so good things are going to happen. When you hang around bad things bad things are bound to come back on you. Just like when you surround yourself with good positive people good positive things will happen it is less likely that something such as this will happen when you are doing the things you should.

AGAIN I say it doesn't make it right it doesn't justify it however for the criminal it is no surprise that something like this can and will happen. SOme people think they are untouchable, when something like this happens it makes people realize that yes it isn't just on tv and it can and does happen in real life.

[chris5]

I removed the name she put in there and left the edit to prove a point. The police did not release his name for a reason and no one should have posted it on the internet as it can compromise the ongoing investigation! Then again you seem to be a drama queen just like the person who posted the victims name in the first place!

I could have been ignorant like you and made an idiotic slur against gays and lesbians!

Wow... you really hold a grudge... he said he removed the name... said he regreted posting it.. move on... sheesh... you leave your post because you are trying to make a poiint that only you care about....

Evil Monkey says:
I could have been ignorant like you and made an idiotic slur against gays and lesbians


I think this was an idiotic slur agains gays and lesbians... you need to check yourself... that is the strangest analogy ive ever read on here... say you could have made and idiotic slur and the very nature of your satement is an idiotic slur....

[gouligann]

I didn't know him or his family but maybe they are very good people and he just went down the wrong path. No matter what he was like, what he did, and who he hung around with, he still has loved ones mourning him.

As for him, when you decide to run with the wolves, you've gotta piss with the pack. RIP! I just hope they didn't make him suffer long and hard before they ended his life.

[chris5]

I don't know the person who made the statement but in that defense I will say although nothing justifies taking a life...ANd I don't think they meant the quote that way but intended to mean, when you lead a life of crime, hurtting others either physically, or mentally by robbing them and such then you have to come to expect that not so good things are going to happen. When you hang around bad things bad things are bound to come back on you. Just like when you surround yourself with good positive people good positive things will happen it is less likely that something such as this will happen when you are doing the things you should.

AGAIN I say it doesn't make it right it doesn't justify it however for the criminal it is no surprise that something like this can and will happen. SOme people think they are untouchable, when something like this happens it makes people realize that yes it isn't just on tv and it can and does happen in real life.

I see your point... unforutnately there is a very small proportion of the criminal element that will do this sort of thing... and the fact that these people are within our community is disturbing... regardless of this mans lifestyle... or what pack he ran with... or what pack he pissed with.. the crimes perpetrated on this poor souls remains are absolutly revolting.... I hope they catch these people.... I hope they have a violent past and are deemed dangerous offenders and given true life sentences...

[Barney Rubble]

thanks

[chris5]

done....

[MaO3]

:confused2::confused2:????? Musta missed something! :confused2::confused2:

[Calis]

OK I am not trying to be nosey, but the name I have heard is a childhood friend, and I'm stressing out big time thinking it could be him. If anyone knows for sure the name, please inbox me.

[MaO3]

http://www.saultstar.com/

Check this link to the Sault Star.

[chris5]

http://www.saultstar.com/

Check this link to the Sault Star.

FYI I pm'd you...

[MaO3]

back at ya!

[MagicFingers]

I see your point... unforutnately there is a very small proportion of the criminal element that will do this sort of thing... and the fact that these people are within our community is disturbing... regardless of this mans lifestyle... or what pack he ran with... or what pack he pissed with.. the crimes perpetrated on this poor souls remains are absolutly revolting.... I hope they catch these people.... I hope they have a violent past and are deemed dangerous offenders and given true life sentences...

Chris you are very right....there is a very small proportion of criminals that will do this sort of thing. This sort of thing is usually associated with mafia type criminals. Usually some sort of pay back.....This seems like a revenge type crime. Regardless I feel bad for the family members as they will have to deal with this and always wonder. I hope he didn't suffer to bad. My prayers and thoughts go to the family. I hope they catch the person or persons who have done this and that they pay for their crimes.

[stupefied]

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=50366

Now why would they put that picture on with that story? Must have been just itching for a way to use it.

[b&aMom]

I don't think it's too normal for people to be flown to the city by the police, so I'm assuming they used his picture because he's wanted for questioning, at the very least, in a murder. So SooToday gets to say something without actually saying anything.

[Blue Lotus Rising]

That's a picture of Wes.

[MagicFingers]

I thought that was a picture of the person they flew to the sault. HMMMM

[Dragonfly]

Making too much of that article. Mearow was busted out of town when he should not have been, he was flown back because he is to stay in the sault. Hallam was mentioned because they were both in on the shooting. Nothing more, nothing less.

[cybolynx]

Chris you are very right....there is a very small proportion of criminals that will do this sort of thing. This sort of thing is usually associated with mafia type criminals. Usually some sort of pay back.....This seems like a revenge type crime. Regardless I feel bad for the family members as they will have to deal with this and always wonder. I hope he didn't suffer to bad. My prayers and thoughts go to the family. I hope they catch the person or persons who have done this and that they pay for their crimes.

if its is related to mafia then i can guarantee the guy that takes the fall is getting paid very well for taking the blame and business will continue as normal ... justice will be falsely served ...

[MagicFingers]

if its is related to mafia then i can guarantee the guy that takes the fall is getting paid very well for taking the blame and business will continue as normal ... justice will be falsely served ...

true.....I can only hope they find the right person...but this is pretty extreme to just be a thug from the sault. it is someone that had a huge grudge and wanted to send a message is my guess. Maybe I just watch tooo many murder mysteries CSI, Law and Order, Criminal Minds. Its gettting to us. But does prove it happens in real life.

[Jack Butler]

Making too much of that article. Mearow was busted out of town when he should not have been, he was flown back because he is to stay in the sault. Hallam was mentioned because they were both in on the shooting. Nothing more, nothing less.

Really?

[stupefied]

... so I'm assuming they used his picture because he's wanted for questioning...They can question all they want but I don't think he'll be talking.

[IMHO]

CHRIS5 said:Sometimes we reap what we sow. Its sad...but oh so true.
I think maybe a long jail term would be an appropriate time to make a statement like this.. when someone dies... well IMO a statement like this is just made in very poor taste... My sincere condolences to the family of this very unfortunate man...

Gotta wonder what kind of person would say something like this.... Not that I would want to know you, thats for sure... just kinda perplexing why someone would be that nasty a person to come up with a statement like this... The man is dead... with very terrible things done to his remains... absolutly terrible...

When you say something like this are you really saying the people that did this were somehow justified?



COME ON NOW CHRIS...I simply stated that when you lead a life of crime this may happen. I in no way made light of the situation. IF you could read I did say it was sad. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill....geesh. Your interpretation skills need HONING Chris!!!!

[chris5]

You reap what you sow... to me that means, you get what you deserve.... whether we go with your intrepretation or mine it is not a nice thing to say... Even criminals dont deserve to have this be their fate... We can agree to disagree on the appropriateness... Your comment about being sad... well that is followed by "but oh so true"... The "but oh so true"... Takes away from the sympathetic tone of it being sad...

[Krysta]

WOW!

[tasma]

It said right in the article from sootoday that the person (shown) was Wesley Hallam. The guy is deceased and they picked up his buddy, it looks like maybe buddy was possibly "running" from the person or persons unknown that committed the homicide? Maybe he knows something or thinks he was next?

[b&aMom]

That's a picture of Wes.

Sorry, that's what I meant. It gets confusing trying not to name names.

[Blue Lotus Rising]

Sorry, that's what I meant. It gets confusing trying not to name names.

It's all good.

[Dragonfly]

Truly would not surprise me if Mearow did it considering his extensive rap sheet but who knows. Depends on how long he was out of town and if he can prove it I suppose.

[1337]

Truly would not surprise me if Mearow did it considering his extensive rap sheet but who knows. Depends on how long he was out of town and if he can prove it I suppose.

Quick!!! You should take your findings to the police officers!!!!

[Dragonfly]

Quick!!! You should take your findings to the police officers!!!!

I was saying it in response to someone else being a smart a$$ because I said more was being made of the article about Mearow then there needed to be.

[Bufford]

One question, (if) it is true that these two men “Mearow and Hallam” were both charged with attempted murder as reported in the news, why were they not in jail?

[Super Gram]

Thats the question I asked too......

[cheeky]

One question, (if) it is true that these two men “Mearow and Hallam” were both charged with attempted murder as reported in the news, why were they not in jail?

The media seems to report people who are/were charged with a crime and those convicted of a crime, rarely does the media report the outcome of trials where there is no conviction. IMO

[cybolynx]

haha ... our justice system is paid off ...

why dont you think some criminals get such a lenient punishments compared to others ...

[dancingqueen]

You reap what you sow... to me that means, you get what you deserve.... whether we go with your intrepretation or mine it is not a nice thing to say... Even criminals dont deserve to have this be their fate... We can agree to disagree on the appropriateness... Your comment about being sad... well that is followed by "but oh so true"... The "but oh so true"... Takes away from the sympathetic tone of it being sad...

"you get what you deserve" and "you made your bed, now you have to lie in it" do not mean the same thing, and that second phrase better interprets what "reaping what we sow" means.

[Oscar_Leroy]

This is a sad story for sure. I don't really agree with so much information being released in the paper, though. I think if the victim did have a sketchy past it makes this even more sad. If the victim was doing questionable things, as suggested by the Sault Star, surely the family of the victim was hoping that one day they would witness a positive change. One thing a family never loses when a loved one is in trouble is hope.

Sadly, any hope this family may have had was robbed from them in a brutal and tragic manner.

My deepest thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of the victim and I hope this murderer is taken off of the streets as soon as possible.

That's all I have to say.

[Super Gram]

Sadly, any hope this family may have had was robbed from them in a brutal and tragic manner.

My deepest thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of the victim and I hope this murderer is taken off of the streets as soon as possible.

That's all I have to say.


My thoughts exactly.

[Luv'inLife]

This is a sad story for sure. I don't really agree with so much information being released in the paper, though. I think if the victim did have a sketchy past it makes this even more sad. If the victim was doing questionable things, as suggested by the Sault Star, surely the family of the victim was hoping that one day they would witness a positive change. One thing a family never loses when a loved one is in trouble is hope.

Sadly, any hope this family may have had was robbed from them in a brutal and tragic manner.

My deepest thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of the victim and I hope this murderer is taken off of the streets as soon as possible.

That's all I have to say.

I agree, bashing him is just hurting his family/friends even more...I'm sure they got to see a soft side and would like to remember him that way. My condolences to those you are in mourning at this time...all the other stuff doesnt matter any more.

[Bufford]

There is bashing there is gossip and there is the truth!

[Luv'inLife]

There is bashing there is gossip and there is the truth!

thats very true, his truths are gone with him, we need to let his family remember their own truths.

[IMHO]

PEOPLE SHOULD STOP FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE...its over folks. Let him rest in peace and give his family a break.

[Bufford]

If there is any good that can come out of this hopefully some young person(s) who thinks of themselves as a cool/bad dude who has chosen the wrong path will think twice, and will start to realize that their chosen path only leads to self destruction, along their chosen path they will always meet someone who is bigger, badder and smarter.
The first step of changing they’re chosen path is to stop blaming others and take full responsibly for their lifestyle and actions.

[LilPuppie]

If there is any good that can come out of this hopefully some young person(s) who thinks of themselves as a cool/bad dude who has chosen the wrong path will think twice, and will start to realize that their chosen path only leads to self destruction, along their chosen path they will always meet someone who is bigger, badder and smarter.
The first step of changing they’re chosen path is to stop blaming others and take full responsibly for their lifestyle and actions.

Amen! If only some good comes out of this! Wes wasn't even thirty yet. I think of all the sayings out there, the most appropriate is...

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

[Macs II]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running around

[LilPuppie]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running around

Riiiiight....if you`re mixed up enough to look at it that way, you could say we`ve gained a murderer who is now at large.

[chris5]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running around

What a horrible thing to say... wow... Not even gonna go on about this... im sorry for you....

[MagicFingers]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running around

Just when i think I have heard the worst from you....you still manage to shock me. I feel sooooooo sorry for how miserable your life must be.

[stupefied]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running aroundExactly.

[Luv'inLife]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running around

mostly because there is a family suffering and in shock...anyone with any kind of compassion will feel very sorry for the people left to deal with this.

[Ultra54]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running around

Right on!
The killer has been caught days ago in Thunderbay. The "victim" was on his way to rob a party when he was killed.

[The 6th Member Of AC/DC]

mostly because there is a family suffering and in shock...anyone with any kind of compassion will feel very sorry for the people left to deal with this.

As for the family suffering I agree. How many countless mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and so on ( you get my point) has he terrorized in some way, shape or form for years?

[Luv'inLife]

As for the family suffering I agree. How many countless mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and so on ( you get my point) has he terrorized in some way, shape or form for years?

I am not sad that he met his fate, I do feel bad for his family...they have to deal with all of this, he is free to rest in peace.

[The 6th Member Of AC/DC]

I am not very religious but I doubt the Devil will let him rest in peace...

[Karen-Annie]

I do not know this family so I don't know the kind of enviroment he was raised in. I DO feel for his family that they lost their son/brother/grandson/nephew/uncle in such a horrendous manner. But, if criminality is not the family profession, they must have worried that someday his lifestyle would lead to a bad end for somebody-be it him or a victim. If he was my son/loved one I'd have already been grieving for years.

The nature of this murder has to be a shock and burden but that he was murdered shouldn't be totally unexpected to happen at some point in his life.

[ssmarie]

The real victim is the son he left behind and will one day learn about his father

[Luv'inLife]

The real victim is the son he left behind and will one day learn about his father

exactly

[Brighteyes]

IIf he was my son/loved one I'd have already been grieving for years.


Thank you! I have a family member that is "involved" with garbage like all of this, drug adiction, trouble with the law, And it never ceases to break my heart on an ongoing basis, I am glad that someone out there understands!

[icecapp]

SSMarie, I was thinking the same thing.

[kramer]

How old is his son?

[ssmarie]

very young - I don't know anyone in his family - just saw a pic on facebook - I am going to guess 3 or 4 years old - I don't know how old the pic is either

[kramer]

How sad for the child. Not only growing up without his father; but at some point in his life finding out what happened.

[kramer]

My respect is not for him but for his loved ones. From what I understand he came from a good family. He made the choice to live the life he did. I'm sure he wasn't raised to be a criminal.

Also, is anyone going to bash him in public knowing the company he keeps? (think about that)

[noonehome]

why is everyone so sorry....one less criminal running around

Very true! No one seems to care about his victims! What about the people he violated?????
God people wake up! If he was such a nice guy he wouldn't have been such an idiot.
He obviously pissed someone off!
As far as his kid? the kid is better off without him anyway. He didn't deserve to have a child anyway!
How dare some of you expect and demand respect for the so called "victim"???
Like Macs said one less criminal running around!

[Oscar_Leroy]

Very true! No one seems to care about his victims! What about the people he violated?????
God people wake up! If he was such a nice guy he wouldn't have been such an idiot.
He obviously pissed someone off!
As far as his kid? the kid is better off without him anyway. He didn't deserve to have a child anyway!
How dare some of you expect and demand respect for the so called "victim"???
Like Macs said one less criminal running around!

I'm pretty sure murder is a crime, making him a victim. I'm guessing you think it's perfectly fine to murder a person if they are not living a lifestyle you agree with, though. By the way, who are you to suggest he doesn't deserve a child? Do you know what his relationship with his child was like? I'm guessing not. Just another lame attempt to act all tough and mighty while cowering behind the security of a computer screen. I bet you would never have the stones to say this kind of stuff to a family member or friend of the victim.

Just more proof that humanity is circling the drain...

[icecapp]

I am with Macs on this one, however I do feel for his mother as she is a very nice lady. She had pretty much disowned him. His son is autistic and I really don't think he knows or understands what happened to his father. The grandmother has been taking care of the little boy. I also know that the people who did this did not oly cut his head off but they did much more to his body before they dumped him, I do not belive that this murder was just random, I belive that a professional did it. As far as I know they still have not found his head!

I am woundering if they are still looking for it in a low key, I know there were two hellicopters flying above the area today for about 2 hrs... nose dipped down as if they were looking for something or someone...

[noonehome]

I'm pretty sure murder is a crime, making him a victim. I'm guessing you think it's perfectly fine to murder a person if they are not living a lifestyle you agree with, though. By the way, who are you to suggest he doesn't deserve a child? Do you know what his relationship with his child was like? I'm guessing not. Just another lame attempt to act all tough and mighty while cowering behind the security of a computer screen. I bet you would never have the stones to say this kind of stuff to a family member or friend of the victim.

Just more proof that humanity is circling the drain...

Don't kid yourself. I'm sure the family has already been told. I read that joke of a group of facebook.

[D0bb3r]

By the way, who are you to suggest he doesn't deserve a child? Do you know what his relationship with his child was like?

Who are you to suggest he would be a positive roll model for a child ... seems to me all the evidence leans the opposite way!!

We may not know the man on a personal level, but we do know enough to make a judgment call on if he was/is the type of man we would allow into our personal
circle. You dont need to hold crap up to your nose to know it stinks !!

[ssmarie]

I am with Macs on this one, however I do feel for his mother as she is a very nice lady. She had pretty much disowned him. His son is autistic and I really don't think he knows or understands what happened to his father. The grandmother has been taking care of the little boy. I also know that the people who did this did not oly cut his head off but they did much more to his body before they dumped him, I do not belive that this murder was just random, I belive that a professional did it. As far as I know they still have not found his head!

wow - how do you people know so much information - I am not sure I'd be posting what you know on a public website - I think it can lead to other stuff - JMO - and use your imagination if you can't figure it out

[Sweet_And_Innocent]

I am with Macs on this one, however I do feel for his mother as she is a very nice lady. She had pretty much disowned him. His son is autistic and I really don't think he knows or understands what happened to his father. The grandmother has been taking care of the little boy. I also know that the people who did this did not oly cut his head off but they did much more to his body before they dumped him, I do not belive that this murder was just random, I belive that a professional did it. As far as I know they still have not found his head!

Wow, no offense but you obviously really don't know them, as your information about the family is completely off. The only thing you have right is that his mother is an extremely nice person, other than that totally off base. Don't believe everything you read people!!!

[Oscar_Leroy]

Who are you to suggest he would be a positive roll model for a child ... seems to me all the evidence leans the opposite way!!

We may not know the man on a personal level, but we do know enough to make a judgment call on if he was/is the type of man we would allow into our personal
circle. You dont need to hold crap up to your nose to know it stinks !!

My guess is as good as yours. I don't think it's right to post that garbage on here after such a horrific crime, though. It's completely classless.

[Oscar_Leroy]

Don't kid yourself. I'm sure the family has already been told. I read that joke of a group of facebook.

Translation: I prefer to remain anonymous and cower behind the security of my computer screen while I judge others.

[The 6th Member Of AC/DC]

Wow, no offense but you obviously really don't know them, as your information about the family is completely off. The only thing you have right is that his mother is an extremely nice person, other than that totally off base. Don't believe everything you read people!!!

I guess all those charges were fabricated. It must be a conspiracy!!

[ssmarie]

There are sure going to be two views to all this. It was an awful way to die and an awful way to live. For those who do not know his family (which I do not) it is hard to see the good side of this person - he viloated a lot of people along his path too. They are going to be angry and relieved that maybe some of the trouble will stop. I know I would be afraid of this person had we met somewhere. It sounds harsh but it is reality. Again, the really sad part of this is his son left behind and his family to pick up the pieces. I feel truly sorry for them and they have a lot to deal with. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. His lifestyle could have changed (he had choices) esp. when he had a child and he could have shown responsibility here. Someone said his son is autistic - all the more reason to change your lifestyle. I don't know all the circumstances but this is how I see it from what I have read so far. I see both sides. It amazes me that people on here have so much information as to what happened - let the police do their job and I am sure the person or persons responsible will be caught. As far as people having judgemental views - they are going to keep coming - his actions allow for it!

[victorianheart]

as per the Sault Star, 2 hours ago

The hunt for Wesley Hallam's killer continues.
The Sault Ste. Marie man's decapitated body was found near Landslide Road Tuesday afternoon.
"Officers have been going since Tuesday," said Chief Bob Davies of Sault Ste. Marie Police Service on Sunday afternoon.
"They've been going around the clock on this."
Investigators are tracking leads as well as gathering evidence from a residence on Wellington Street East. A search warrant was executed at the downtown-area home on Thursday. "

[Sweet_And_Innocent]

I guess all those charges were fabricated. It must be a conspiracy!!

Actually if you read my post as well as luvthetwins, they were referring to the family, not the charges. But thank you for your input...

His child is not autistic either

[Luv'inLife]

I am with Macs on this one, however I do feel for his mother as she is a very nice lady. She had pretty much disowned him. His son is autistic and I really don't think he knows or understands what happened to his father. The grandmother has been taking care of the little boy. I also know that the people who did this did not oly cut his head off but they did much more to his body before they dumped him, I do not belive that this murder was just random, I belive that a professional did it. As far as I know they still have not found his head!

I think you should have stopped at "I really don't think"!

[dancingqueen]

You guys are so tough and no-nonsense... I'll bet you are all just like this in real life....

[Oscar_Leroy]

You guys are so tough and no-nonsense... I'll bet you are all just like this in real life....

You better believe it! I'm no-nonsense all of the time. :tongue:

[Mr belsito]

my ban is over, for now, and here we are, posting on soonet again.

[OU812]

my condolences to the family of the victim. i am at the edge of my seat with the fact that there is a person out there capable of commiting such a horrific crime. are there any updates on suspects or arrests? i find the media is being tight lipped about the man hunt under way. heard something about a guy in thunder bay being arrested. ctv news is of no help to the sault. they might as well call it sudbury news.
with any luck , the guilty will be caught and hopefully bring some closure to this for the family and friends of the victim.

[daynzy]

*UPDATE* MALE ARRESTED

http://sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=50404

[tippikitty]

Sault Ste. Marie Police Service arrested 26 year-old Ronald Albert Mitchell of Sault Ste Marie, Ontario this morning in Thunder Bay Ontario in relation to this homicide.

Looks like the police have their man.

[MaO3]

hmmmmmm thats interesting.... Glad they made an arrest, a little shocked that its only 2nd degree?
One would think that something like this would have had to be premeditated?

[daynzy]

hmmmmmm thats interesting.... Glad they made an arrest, a little shocked that its only 2nd degree?
One would think that something like this would have had to be premeditated?


Maybe he's only involved in it? Maybe there's more people to arrest that had a bigger role?

[MaO3]

Maybe he's only involved in it? Maybe there's more people to arrest that had a bigger role?


OH I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there will be more arrests.

[lynys]

Maybe he's only involved in it? Maybe there's more people to arrest that had a bigger role?

Makes sense.

[Luv'inLife]

You guys are so tough and no-nonsense... I'll bet you are all just like this in real life....

I am...I love hearing other peoples opinions, but I hate stupid...comments.

[dilligaff]

http://sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=50366

Eric Mearow, known in Sault Ste. Marie for an extensive history of violent crime, was flown to the Sault last night after being picked up on warrants in the Thunder Bay area


http://sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=50404

Detectives with investigation services of the Sault Ste. Marie Police Service arrested 26-year-old Ronald Albert Mitchell of Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario this morning in
Thunder Bay, Ontario in relation to this homicide.


interesting.....

[Misschix]

K first off....
His child IS NOT AUTISTIC
HIS CHILD IS NOT BEING RAISED BY THE GRANDPARENTS so b4 you chirp.....know your facts!
These people I have known for years...no one says he ever made the best decisions....but as a person and if you knew him NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE SO SENSELESSLY

Im gonna stop there but the rumours are all garbage.....

[Misschix]

The police keep saying they wont release the name of murder victim, and the media keeps saying the victims name with police attached. Which is it, also i heard other info over the wknd about this which i will not discuss! I am getting disgusted with the medias coverage and in general peoples bs.

knowing the victim ....im so upset still .....knowing what ive heard from the media..and on soonet im disgusted....but hey we live in a a society where gossip is what everyone thrives on .....we can only be the better people.....

[Luv'inLife]

chixybaby...the whole situation is shocking and sad...my condolences to his family and friends.

[tasma]

Chixy just ignore him he is trying to upset everyone on here and you don't deserve that crap!

[dancingqueen]

I can't even follow this banter....
NEXT!

[daynzy]

You make my head hurt with your useless ramblings.

[The Handyman]

I am sorry the family and friends are suffering, but the streets are safer, ...that's a fact. Chixybaby, ... stay away if you don't like it,..... pretty simple, ..... otherwise, .....

[DoubleXL]

Its irresponsible of the media to report names when the police havent.

I disagree. Unless there is a court ordered media blackout, it is the media's job to provide whatever information is available.

[IMHO]

All this so called banter and rumourmonging is simply the result of our generation having complete access to the internet and all its social clubs. Years ago it would have been days before most people even knew about the murder. Times have changed...people want to know(not saying its right) and they go online and dig until they find it. It can no longer be stopped...its a part of the cyber world we now live in. SOme people thrive on being the first with the bad news.

[iluvchristian]

All this so called banter and rumourmonging is simply the result of our generation having complete access to the internet and all its social clubs. Years ago it would have been days before most people even knew about the murder. Times have changed...people want to know(not saying its right) and they go online and dig until they find it. It can no longer be stopped...its a part of the cyber world we now live in. SOme people thrive on being the first with the bad news.

I disagree. It would've been on the radio and tv news and in the paper. People would hear/see the news, start calling everyone they know (on landlines,lol) The only difference is that less strangers would be talking about it.

[Olie]

I feel for the family and his son, but with the life he lived he knew Karma would eventually catch up with him!

[lynys]

The fact is, a murder took place and from what happened to the "victim" it was quite gruesome and horrific. Was it random? Police do not believe so, based on the findings of scientific evidence used.

Now, the "victim" himself is a CRIMINAL! Who terrorized our streets as an adult for over TEN years. Lord knows what he was into as a YO. He has done time in jail for numerous crimes, has violated a lot of people's property, and I am going to guarantee scared a lot of people who knew what he was capable of.

Sorry, but he gets no sympathy from me. Anyone on here, who is crying about how sad they are that he was murdered, probably hasn't even seen the guy since highschool, and has no freaking clue who he REALLY is. They refuse to look at what he has done, has been doing, and the crimes he committed since then. WAKE UP!!!

Do I think he got what he deserved? No. As far as I concerned, no one deserves to have their life taken away from them in such a horrific act. But, am I glad that this will remove one, two, maybe three or four criminals from our streets, depending on how many people were involved in this murder? You bet.

I feel for the guys family though. I am sure they tried everything they could to reach him, and feel as thought they failed as parents, siblings, etc. And, on top of that, his little boy will only ever know the bad about his daddy. That is heartbreaking.

[Upper Decker]

The fact is, a murder took place and from what happened to the "victim" it was quite gruesome and horrific. Was it random? Police do not believe so, based on the findings of scientific evidence used.

Now, the "victim" himself is a CRIMINAL! Who terrorized our streets as an adult for over TEN years. Lord knows what he was into as a YO. He has done time in jail for numerous crimes, has violated a lot of people's property, and I am going to guarantee scared a lot of people who knew what he was capable of.

Sorry, but he gets no sympathy from me. Anyone on here, who is crying about how sad they are that he was murdered, probably hasn't even seen the guy since highschool, and has no freaking clue who he REALLY is. They refuse to look at what he has done, has been doing, and the crimes he committed since then. WAKE UP!!!

Do I think he got what he deserved? No. As far as I concerned, no one deserves to have their life taken away from them in such a horrific act. But, am I glad that this will remove one, two, maybe three or four criminals from our streets, depending on how many people were involved in this murder? You bet.

I feel for the guys family though. I am sure they tried everything they could to reach him, and feel as thought they failed as parents, siblings, etc. And, on top of that, his little boy will only ever know the bad about his daddy. That is heartbreaking.


Were you reading my mind, I have been saying the exact same thing myself but didnt cause i didnt feel like getting flamed by the regulars here as its thier usual manner. You have summed things up perfectly with this post .

[Juggs]

I feel the need to apologize for saying his son is autistic; I made a mistake and confused his son with his sisters. That being said though, I believe in looking at it as lynys said I can't feel sympathy for him because he knew what life he choose to lead. At the same time though I don't think anyone deserves to die in such a horrific manner.

[chris5]

So, if a friend breaks into someones house, thats terrorism, thats scary, very personal, your friend robs someone, hmm, then your friend assaults someone, hmmm. When does the friendship end?

Have you been dippin into the cough medicine again....lol

[Arcana XV]

Does anyone have any idea how much attention this has received from national news agencies?

[tasma]

You can feel sympathy for anyone that has passed on whether violently or not and just because he had a life of crime does not mean you wouldn't feel sympathetic towards his death. I am sympathetic towards him and his family that doesn't mean I agree with the way he lived his life prior to his death. He hurt alot of people but he still and his family still deserves our sympathy.

I believe it has received 0 attention outside of SSM but please feel free to tell me I'm wrong! because I am not 100 percent sure.

[MaO3]

A quick google search brought up this page of news articles from various news sources from all over Ontario at least.

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1020&bih=537&q=decapitation+in+Sault+Ste+Marie&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=decapitation+in+Sault+Ste+Marie&fp=183c6335545796c9

[Anapeg]

Blood, gore, sex and/or money. Whatever it takes to get ratings up to sell advertising. The media is a wonderful thing, is it not?

[4caster]

Blood, gore, sex and/or money. Whatever it takes to get ratings up to sell advertising. The media is a wonderful thing, is it not?

If it bleeds...it leads.

[Anapeg]

If it bleeds...it leads.

You know what they say, " Give them what they want ".

[tasma]

Well thats a bit more than I thought. It even made the news in Vancouver! How notorious! The news wouldn't have made it to Vancouver if it wasn't so grisley!

[Karen-Annie]

Briefly here is Canadian criteria for murder:
Murder (Canadian law)As defined in the Criminal Code of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Code_of_Canada), murder is a culpable homicide with specific intentions.

Culpable homicide is defined as causing the death of a human being,

By means of an unlawful act;
By criminal negligence;
By causing that human being, by threats or fear of violence or by deception, to do anything that causes his death; or
By wilfully frightening that human being, in the case of a child or sick person.
Culpable homicide is elevated to murder when

The person who causes the death of a human being means to cause his death, or means to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death and is reckless whether death ensues or not;
A person meant to cause the death of a human being or cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and by accident or mistake causes death to another human being, notwithstanding that he does not mean to cause death or bodily harm to that person; or
A person, for an unlawful objective, does anything he knows is likely to cause death, and thereby causes death to a human being, notwithstanding that he desires to effect his objective without causing death or bodily harm to any human being.
First and second degree

In Canada, murder is classified as either first or second degree.First degree murder:
planned and deliberatecontractedcommitted against an identified peace officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_officer#Canada)while committing or attempting to commit hijacking an aircraftwhile committing or attempting to commit sexual assaultwhile committing or attempting to commit sexual assault with a weaponwhile committing or attempting to commit aggravated sexual assaultwhile committing or attempting to commit kidnapping and forcible confinementhostage takingwhile committing criminal harassmentcommitted during terrorist activitywhile using explosives in association with a criminal organizationwhile committing intimidation.


Second degree murderwhich is not first degree murder. It could be "spur of the moment".
__________________________________________________ ________________

I have seen cases where an initial charge is made and been upgraded as more info/evidence becomes known. Also seen charges reduced.

[Arcana XV]

It's crimes like these that make you wanna bring the death penalty back...if you're monster enough to kill, .....

[ArcticBlue]

No, trying to change subject...

Kind of pointless. Maybe go to a different thread if you don't want to stay on topic here? Or better yet, create your own thread where you can change the subject all you want.

[Light_Keeper]

This young person was charged with attempted murder last year, he was an evil cruel being. He got what he was going to give out, .
I feel for his parents as a parent we always want the best for our loved ones,

Last April, Mearow and Wesley Hallam (shown) were both charged with attempted murder after a shooting at a West End residence. Those charges were subsequently withdrawn for lack of evidence, with the two men represented by Melanie Dunn of the law firm Dunn Tremblay-Hall
Sault Star

[Brighteyes]

withdrawn because the victims were afraid to testify....

[Juggs]

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/full_story.asp?StoryNumber=50430

[lynys]

Possibly a lot of witnesses to this murder. No wonder the public knew so much.

[Juggs]

if there was lots of witnesses I wonder why no one tried to help him?

[lynys]

How often do you see people stepping in during an altercation?

I know I wouldn't. Not if it meant I may get hurt, and in this case, hurt badly.

[b&aMom]

No big surprise in that latest report...was as I thought. They thought it was the person named, but needed DNA. That means no fingerprints available, so the mutilation included hands. Sounds like there definitely had to be more than one person involved. Thinking they could get away with murder if the police couldn't ID the person. These people are even more stupid than I imagined. I pity the people that finally come across the remains, and I sure hope it's not kids.

[SmrtGrl]

in the meantime all other police investigations have been put on hold. All officers have been reassigned to work on this investigation.

[Blunt]

How often do you see people stepping in during an altercation?

Generally, I would intervene in approximately half of any altercations I see. Half the time, someone is just being a douchebag to people without provocation. The other half of the time, someone is just asking to be beaten and deserves what they get.

In this situation, it was likely the latter. If nothing else good comes from this grisly scenario, hopefully the genetic sequencing that fostered the growth of multiple dirtbags is removed from the communal, reproductive gene pool.

[A*lil*Loopy]

I only have one suggestion. If they are looking for any "parts" along the roadways, watch for the crows as they are the first on scene.

[No Drama Please]

I only have one suggestion. If they are looking for any "parts" along the roadways, watch for the crows as they are the first on scene.

LMAO - You are on the ball with this one!

[ArcticBlue]

most of you realize evidence is contaminated once in the elements too long

Thank you, CSI Lebowski.

[daynzy]

most of you realize evidence is contaminated once in the elements too long

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uc2suQSWMX4/TBZJVg2soKI/AAAAAAAACU8/-BG9D-LAcSQ/s1600/captain_obvious.jpg

[Peety]

Hopefully the police find the tools, ect.

[Luv'inLife]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Uc2suQSWMX4/TBZJVg2soKI/AAAAAAAACU8/-BG9D-LAcSQ/s1600/captain_obvious.jpg

Bahahahahahahaha

[Misschix]

I refuse to back down .....
I dont care how many infractions i get for swearing..i will try to listen to what has to be said...if it was your family or friend who was taken the way my friend was.....what would you do ...not be posting on soonet being goofy! He has had his issues he did NOT deserve to die and no mother should lose a son and no child should lose a father .....

[Dragonfly]

I refuse to back down .....
I dont care how many infractions i get for swearing..i will try to listen to what has to be said...if it was your family or friend who was taken the way my friend was.....what would you do ...not be posting on soonet being goofy! He has had his issues he did NOT deserve to die and no mother should lose a son and no child should lose a father .....

Although I completed empathize with you on your loss and your opinion of what has been said here, I think you just need to stop torturing yourself with coming back over and over again to read the silliness. Do yourself a favour. No one is going to change, no matter how right you are unfortunately. Just take a soonet break, do whatever you need to do for yourself to be well during this time and come back when it has died down a bit.

[everywoman]

Chixy...you are right in what you feel, but you really shouldn't torture yourself by reading the BS that ppl post. It's only going to be hurtful to you. He led a questionable and dangerous lifestyle, and it's not surprising that he met a violent end, if you are honest about it. I realize that doesn't take away the pain of losing someone. It's not deserved, and as a human being I feel empathy towards his family, child, and friends. No one deserves to be brutally murdered. Soonet can be a wonderful place at times, and a brutal place at times...just keep away for now, and take solace in whatever good memories you have. No one can take those away from you. I just hope you are open enough to realize that he hurt many many people over the years, and folks are going to have strong opinions about that.

[Misschix]

I agree but why should i have to stay away? I want to hear all the false stories and some true stories people may have came up with .... I should be allowed to post my opinion just as well as everyone else...

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

I agree but why should i have to stay away? I want to hear all the false stories and some true stories people may have came up with .... I should be allowed to post my opinion just as well as everyone else...

Alright I'm gonna say what everyone is thinking. You are clearly coming here for drama and the fact is that you love the drama. Otherwise you would be on the facebook group to see what people are saying because I'm sure there is only nice things being said there. We get it, you knew him. You've stated it a million times and we are proud of you.

[The Handyman]

Alright I'm gonna say what everyone is thinking. You are clearly coming here for drama and the fact is that you love the drama. Otherwise you would be on the facebook group to see what people are saying because I'm sure there is only nice things being said there. We get it, you knew him. You've stated it a million times and we are proud of you.

Exactly.

[Light_Keeper]

[B][ He led a questionable and dangerous lifestyle, and it's not surprising that he met a violent end, if you are honest about it./B]
What are we thinking here, that we must be nice and respectful to a person that led a life of crime and didnt care who he hurt along the way, or what happened to "his" victims of "crimes he committed.

Please, lets try to be truthfull, he died the way he lived, his choice not mine or yours.

[Stickler]

He led a lifestyle that is beyond questionable and it caught up to him. Surely I feel bad for the family but I have no sympathy for him.

[ssmarie]

I agree but why should i have to stay away? I want to hear all the false stories and some true stories people may have came up with .... I should be allowed to post my opinion just as well as everyone else...

posted with true respect for him and his family - give your head a shake cbaby - if he was a friend you wouldn't be on here you would be mourning and not looking for drama and a pot to piss in. Go and do something positive.

[MagicFingers]

Maybe I have a bleeding heart..who knows...I don't think I do....I have some very strong opinions about certain things and sometimes I even believe in the death penalty however I can sympathize and feel bad for this person despite his actions....Maybe it is also the training I have had where we seperate the person from the actions. We teach adults and youth in rehab groups that just because you have done bad things it doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. Did he make some or many bad choices and do bad things to people yes. But there was probably another side to him with his family and friends. It is a shame he basically though his life away and had someone told him that his choices would some day lead to a violent death perhaps he would have changed his ways. Maybe if he had had a visit from the ghost of christmas future he would still be here. I do feel bad because it must have been very very scary and painful what he went through. I only hope it was over for him quickly. No one no matter what he did deserved to die THAT way. Yes he made choices and some say he got what he deserved but no matter what I don't think he deserved that. He led a lifestyle of crime and he died the same way....what a sad sad legacy to leave.

Sadly I don't think this persons dash is very positive. This is something maybe some people can take away with them.

I read of a man who stood to speak
At the funeral of a friend
He referred to the dates on her tombstone
From the beginning to the end

He noted that first came the date of her birth
And spoke the following date with tears,
But he said what mattered most of all
Was the dash between those years

For that dash represents all the time
That she spent alive on earth.
And now only those who loved her
Know what that little line is worth.

For it matters not how much we own;
The cars, the house, the cash,
What matters is how we live and love
And how we spend our dash.

So think about this long and hard.
Are there things you’d like to change?
For you never know how much time is left,
That can still be rearranged.

If we could just slow down enough
To consider what’s true and real
And always try to understand
The way other people feel.

And be less quick to anger,
And show appreciation more
And love the people in our lives
Like we’ve never loved before.

If we treat each other with respect,
And more often wear a smile
Remembering that this special dash
Might only last a little while.

So, when your eulogy is being read
With your life’s actions to rehash
Would you be proud of the things they say
About how you spent your dash?

[Juggs]

I refuse to back down .....
I dont care how many infractions i get for swearing..i will try to listen to what has to be said...if it was your family or friend who was taken the way my friend was.....what would you do ...not be posting on soonet being goofy! He has had his issues he did NOT deserve to die and no mother should lose a son and no child should lose a father .....

Really you probably met him at the bar you work at and you thought he was a nice guy. He lived a thug’s life and died a thug’s death! Everyone who knew him had to know his death would come sooner than later. I do feel for the family and I agree that what was done to him was extreme and no one deserves to die that way but he did make his own bed! He knew he was a father and apparently his lifestyle was more important than his kid or he would have made an effort to change! So please stop with the drama if its good things you wanna read about him go to the facebook page!

[ssmarie]

In response to Magic - right now you may feel you are a bleeding heart but that will go away once you are violated. I used to feel that way until some idiot ran a stop sign and killed (I use the word killed cause to me his vehicle was a weapon) my husband of one month. It was a long time ago and I went through all kinds of emotions and feelings. The one that doesn't go away is feeling sorry for people who do just don't care what they do to others. It is the people left behind or violated that suffer. You wanna play with fire you are going to get burned. Your poem is wonderful, but it will touch only the hearts of people who don't need their heart touched - they know how to live already

[MagicFingers]

ssmarie I don't feel like a bleeding heart...some people may view me that way....you have no idea what I have been through in my life. You have no idea what violations I have suffered in my life so please don't assume that I have lived a privledged life and have had no hardships and that I don't know what it is to love and lost, to have been stolen from, to have been beaten down either emotionally or physically or both. I put that poem as a reminder to everyone about life and that what we do affect people and it is the legacy we leave behind. This young man did not leave a positive legacy but I still feel bad that he had to die the way he did. I guess that is me being human....

[IMHO]

It would be nice to see all posters spend as much time talking about the good people of SSM instead of the criminal. He lived by the sword ...he died by the sword. His family surely cannot be shocked that A. people feel the way they do about him
and b.THat his life came to a tumultous end. What attempts did the family make to straighten this guy out? IF they tired and it did not work then so be the "end".

[Light_Keeper]

In response to Magic - right now you may feel you are a bleeding heart but that will go away once you are violated. I used to feel that way until some idiot ran a stop sign and killed (I use the word killed cause to me his vehicle was a weapon) my husband of one month. It was a long time ago and I went through all kinds of emotions and feelings. The one that doesn't go away is feeling sorry for people who do just don't care what they do to others. It is the people left behind or violated that suffer. You wanna play with fire you are going to get burned. Your poem is wonderful, but it will touch only the hearts of people who don't need their heart touched - they know how to live already

So sorry for your loss, it must of been terrible then and Iwill keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
It really dosent matter whether it was yesterday or years ago, the pain and loss is still there.

Sometimes, I think some on here try too hard to bePolitically Correct will not for this one

[Dixie_Normous]

After reading this thread I will say this ...

You know who I feel sorry for? I feel sorry for Charles Manson. He's had to sit in the same place for so many years rotting away ... people always say bad things about him. Don't they realize he had friends? They speak highly of this man ... why do we have such a distorted view of Mr Manson when his "friends" loved him so much?

/rolleyes

Some people are just .... well .... "out to lunch" to say the least.

[ssmarie]

ssmarie I don't feel like a bleeding heart...some people may view me that way....you have no idea what I have been through in my life. You have no idea what violations I have suffered in my life so please don't assume that I have lived a privledged life and have had no hardships and that I don't know what it is to love and lost, to have been stolen from, to have been beaten down either emotionally or physically or both. I put that poem as a reminder to everyone about life and that what we do affect people and it is the legacy we leave behind. This young man did not leave a positive legacy but I still feel bad that he had to die the way he did. I guess that is me being human....


sorry you misunderstand my post - it was not directed towards you personally at all. I was making a general statement about people being violated not just meant at you - my apologies again and thank you Light for your kind words - the pain never goes away

[MagicFingers]

sorry you misunderstand my post - it was not directed towards you personally at all. I was making a general statement about people being violated not just meant at you - my apologies again and thank you Light for your kind words - the pain never goes away
Thanks for messaging me in private I did respond. I think we better understand each other now.

[ssmarie]

got it and thanks for reading and responding

[lynys]

Gotta agree with what is being said here, cause I said it a few days ago in this thread. People who are whining about him being a good person obviously did not know the terror he imposed on his victims. Is it right that he was murdered? Nope. He should have been punished for his crimes imo.

Sure. He may have been nice to some. But, the guy was bad news. Thankfully, we will have two criminals off of our streets for a while.

[ssmarie]

this is going to be a facetious remark but notice there were no robberies reported last few days

[MagicFingers]

well no robberies reported but I doubt there were none. I know my parents truck gets broken into almost weekly and yet they have never gotten anything....My dad now leaves the door unlocked...there is nothing in there to get no money, no tools, no cd,s nothing and it is his beeter truck...the good truck they don't dare touch is alarmed and they know it!...the most they are going to get is the empty timmies wrappers from the dogs timbits she gets daily....and yet they haven't learned....all they do is leave the glove compartments open...and stuff thrown about. When it is warmer dad is thinking of leaving the dog in the truck this way they get a nice surprise when they break in and get a set of jaws in the face.

[ssmarie]

there see - I was being facetious - see below


adjective
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, or frivolous: a facetious person or remark

[ssmarie]

when we went to the Turks and Caicos last year we were told to leave our rental vehicle unlocked and not to leave anything in it. This way we would save the windows from getting smashed in and also our stuff if we left it in the car. It was around the time a lot of Haitians were fleeing there due to the earthquake. We followed instructions and had a safe and wonderful vacation. We didn't venture off the beaten path and the island is gorgeous. I now do the same thing here. I don't leave anything in my car anymore.

[BrAt]

when we went to the Turks and Caicos last year we were told to leave our rental vehicle unlocked and not to leave anything in it. This way we would save the windows from getting smashed in and also our stuff if we left it in the car. It was around the time a lot of Haitians were fleeing there due to the earthquake. We followed instructions and had a safe and wonderful vacation. We didn't venture off the beaten path and the island is gorgeous. I now do the same thing here. I don't leave anything in my car anymore.

Yikes!!!

@ PrimeTime... How would you know who was hovering and who wasn't unless you were here watching to see who has been posting?

[ssmarie]

awwwwwww..........who removed their previous post? - was it the person who didn't know what facetious meant?

[MagicFingers]

It would have been nice to see crime rate go down but unfortunately there will always be someone wanting to fill those shoes.

[Blunt]

It's just plain sad that the same people keep hovering over this thread like vultures.
It's pitiful and there's no reason for it.

Nah, there's a reason; checks and balance my dear.

I would **** my pants if this thread became a tribute to the wonderful life led by Mr. Hallum

[riggs]

awwwwwww..........who removed their previous post? - was it the person who didn't know what facetious meant?

I think you're onto something............lol

[Blunt]

It would have been nice to see crime rate go down but unfortunately there will always be someone wanting to fill those shoes.

And there will always be people to mourn the loss of them; as though they were worth having around.

Birds of a feather... I suppose.

[BrAt]

awwwwwww..........who removed their previous post? - was it the person who didn't know what facetious meant?

Actually, I am aware of what it means. I just didn't want to get caught up in semantics. I had taken your comment as seriously meaning there had been no robberies because these two men were off the street and that you thought it to be humorous. I was merely pointing out that it was false because there have been reports of breaks-ins as well as a home invasion that included weapons. I wasn't disrespecting your post, I just misunderstood how you meant it. That's the joyous thing about text I suppose. =)

[ssmarie]

NP...there have been lots of misunderstandings today

[BrAt]

As I have seen. lol This is why I rarely comment on things here anymore. I will say that I have been following this thread to see how many untruths are hovering around. It's, in a way, humorous to see how many people think they know the 'real stories' when things happen. While I didn't know Wes at all, I do know some people that did and to see how people put their own spin on things blows my mind sometimes.

[mac]

i keep seeing people say that he shouldn't of went out like that and i'm guessing what they mean by that is the dismemberment part.
i am guessing he didnt go out like that but had that done to him after the fact.
any thoughts?

[MagicFingers]

They are doing an autopsy they don't know if he was dismembered before or after. Since it is all hush hush I am suspecting there is more.

[Jackie B]

i have kept quiet this whole time, just quietly reading, but since everyone is laying their cards on the table...this guy robbed my sister and her husband years ago, and then terrorized them by threatening to bash my BIL in with a crow bar and skull f*** my sister if they went to the cops. Sounds like a nice guy who didn't deserve this to me. *rolls eyes*

As many have said, he died as he lived, and I for one am not shedding any tears. He sounds like he was a waste of skin, and hopefully his son will have a chance at a better life without having him as a role model.

[everywoman]

i have kept quiet this whole time, just quietly reading, but since everyone is laying their cards on the table...this guy robbed my sister and her husband years ago, and then terrorized them by threatening to bash my BIL in with a crow bar and skull f*** my sister if they went to the cops. Sounds like a nice guy who didn't deserve this to me. *rolls eyes*

As many have said, he died as he lived, and I for one am not shedding any tears. He sounds like he was a waste of skin, and hopefully his son will have a chance at a better life without having him as a role model.

Aww...I'm so sorry to hear what your sister went through. What a terrifying thing!

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

Oops I had seconds thoughts and tried deleted it.

[Rallo]

I have no compassion for criminals!

[Huggy85]

Oops I had seconds thoughts and tried deleted it.

I saw it and, yes, poor taste. But funny nevertheless.

[official soonet pu$$ycat]

Cat, it never happened,lol

Thanks Big. I owe you one.

[lynys]

Boo! I wanna know!

[DoubleXL]

i have kept quiet this whole time, just quietly reading, but since everyone is laying their cards on the table...this guy robbed my sister and her husband years ago, and then terrorized them by threatening to bash my BIL in with a crow bar and skull f*** my sister if they went to the cops. Sounds like a nice guy who didn't deserve this to me. *rolls eyes*

As many have said, he died as he lived, and I for one am not shedding any tears. He sounds like he was a waste of skin, and hopefully his son will have a chance at a better life without having him as a role model.

I got harassed on Facebook when I defending Craig's Soonews article about how he was a criminal. I guess people that knew him can't handle the fact that we was a violent person who often threatened the kinds of things on people that in the end happened to him. I personally have been victimized by people like this, in fact, I was robbed by a certain someone who recently got 2 years in prison for a rash of TV thefts. Honestly, I work hard for the things I have, if I caught someone in my house robbing it, I would have no problem killing them. So as far as I am concerned, he got what the justice system couldn't deliver...Justice.

He is dead. It sucks the way it happened, he could have changed his life, he didn't. Good riddance.