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Oscar_Leroy
01-25-2011, 10:00 AM
TSN's hockey panel, as well as some notable hockey players (Brett Hull, Dale Hawerchuck, Darryl Sittler to name a few) came up with a list of the most skilled hockey players.

Here's what they came up with.

1. Mario Lemieux
2. Bobby Orr
3. Wayne Gretzky
4. Alex Kovalev
5. Gilbert Perreault
6. Kent Nilsson
7. Denis Savard
8. Pavel Bure
9. Jaromir Jagr
10. Pavel Datsuk

EDIT: Video can be seen here - http://watch.tsn.ca/#clip332775

Oscar_Leroy
01-25-2011, 01:56 PM
I just thought I would add, since this is a list made from the opinions of others, it makes it a fact. This is based on nothing more than the ever so arbitrary guide to fact vs fiction by one very special senior member here.

So I guess it is fact. Gretzky is the third most skilled. Clod hard facts are all we go by on this board, and cold hard facts are what I have provided.

RWGR
01-29-2011, 10:12 AM
1. Mario Lemieux
2. Bobby Orr
3. Wayne Gretzky
4. Alex Kovalev
5. Gilbert Perreault
6. Kent Nilsson
7. Denis Savard
8. Pavel Bure
9. Jaromir Jagr
10. Pavel Datsuk

Well, a few thoughts...

I always thought Mario was better than Wayne. So agree with his top-rating.

Kent Nilsson and Denis Savard ahead of Datsyuk? No way.

Jack Butler
01-29-2011, 12:38 PM
I don't remember their birthday celebrations.
Actually, Messier's birthday was Jan 18, just 8 days earlier.
Funny nothing was said or done....hmmmm?
You 2 are cut from the same cloth....a jealous american one!
Suck it up yanks...not one of your kind was even concidered...ha, ha, ha!
I can see why you are angry!

Oscar_Leroy
01-30-2011, 12:41 PM
No jealousy here. Just came across a list and wanted to share. Sorry if it upsets you. By the way, I didn't realize birthday celebrations were among the criteria when determining the most skill hockey players. You make less sense every time you post on here, Jack.

RWGR
01-30-2011, 01:28 PM
I don't remember their birthday celebrations.


I don't remember Mario's 50th birthday celebration either, Jack.

Brilliant.

RWGR
01-30-2011, 01:29 PM
By the way, I didn't realize birthday celebrations were among the criteria when determining the most skill hockey players. You make less sense every time you post on here, Jack.

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae301/EarlyMemphis/Smileys/Laughing4.gif

SMACK!!!!

Jack Butler
01-30-2011, 02:27 PM
I don't remember Mario's 50th birthday celebration either, Jack.

Brilliant.

So....do you remember Gretzky's?
The hockey world has spoken and I guess you missed it?
The reason you don't remember anybody elses birthday is they don't celebrate 3rd or 4th or even 2nd!
It is reserved for the G.O.A.T!
And oscar...for a guy like you, I'm sure there is a lot you don't realize.
Don't be alarmed!

RWGR
01-30-2011, 03:26 PM
Gretzky was also a wimp.

I guess I understand your attraction to him.

Jack Butler
01-30-2011, 03:28 PM
Hardly!

Jack Butler
01-30-2011, 03:32 PM
Speaking of skilled players...you must have notice how Canadians dominate the NHL Allstar Game?
I know...Canada Rocks!

RWGR
01-30-2011, 03:40 PM
Speaking of skilled players...you must have notice how Canadians dominate the NHL Allstar Game?
I know...Canada Rocks!

Because the Russians are smart, and using the time to rest and heal.

God bless you, Pavel Datsyuk.

Super Gram
01-30-2011, 03:58 PM
God bless Sid too.......more time to heal

The reason I remember Waynes's birthday is very simple.......It's the same day as my daughters and daughter in law.:present::cat::girl_hug::sun:

Jack Butler
01-30-2011, 04:05 PM
Because the Russians are smart, and using the time to rest and heal.

Some people call that soft.

Oscar_Leroy
01-30-2011, 05:06 PM
Some people call that soft.

Where's your buddy Crosby? Guess he's just soft.

RWGR
01-30-2011, 05:47 PM
God bless Sid too

Talk about wimps. That hit was nothing.

Sid will not last long in the NHL, because he's too weak.

riggs
01-30-2011, 06:21 PM
Talk about wimps. That hit was nothing.

Sid will not last long in the NHL, because he's too weak.

Words of wisdom from Soonets own "eunuch man".............ohhhhh mercy

RWGR
01-30-2011, 07:30 PM
Words of wisdom from Soonets own "eunuch man".............ohhhhh mercy

Did I hurt your feelings??

Jack Butler
01-30-2011, 08:03 PM
That hit was nothing.

Sid will not last long in the NHL, because he's too weak.

What a loser you are! Like you would know what it's like.
You just don't get it do ya?
He's Canadian and he's the BIGGEST name in the game.
He doesn't have to play to get the attention, silly yank!
I bet his sweater was still a top seller this weekend...ha, ha, ha!

Oscar_Leroy
01-30-2011, 08:38 PM
He doesn't have to play to get the attention, silly yank!


I guess that's why he rarely shows up...

Jack Butler
01-30-2011, 08:47 PM
Ha, ha, how about 7:40 into OT in the Olympics!
Is making sh*t up an American thing?
I know you guy barely look good with out it, but I'm just saying.....

Oscar_Leroy
01-30-2011, 10:08 PM
How about the rest of the Olympics?

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 02:58 AM
Ha, ha, how about 7:40 into OT in the Olympics!
Is making sh*t up an American thing?
I know you guy barely look good with out it, but I'm just saying.....

And you call Americans stupid? You can't spell "without" HA!

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 07:48 AM
How about the rest of the Olympics?

Oh, we won the most Gold's, basically owning the podium!
It must be tough to be in school with that short a memory!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 09:09 AM
Oh, we won the most Gold's, basically owning the podium!
It must be tough to be in school with that short a memory!

Funny that you fail to answer my question... How did Crosby do in all of the Olympic games?

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 09:40 AM
Good enough!
How much do you think his marketablity went up after, is a better question.
It's a team sport and he got the GOLDEN GOAL!
I get a kick out of the losers that try and discredit Sidney.
It's sooo easy to make them look foolish.
What, it only took 9 games for Stamkos to caught him....yeah Sid stuggles sometimes.

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 09:59 AM
Good enough!
How much do you think his marketablity went up after, is a better question.
It's a team sport and he got the GOLDEN GOAL!
I get a kick out of the losers that try and discredit Sidney.
It's sooo easy to make them look foolish.
What, it only took 9 games for Stamkos to caught him....yeah Sid stuggles sometimes.

So I guess Henderson is one of the best of all time... Again, since when is marketability a factor in determining hockey skill? Speaking of looking foolish, I am now starting to bold your stupid, pre-school level spelling and grammar mistakes.

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 10:01 AM
How many cups did Gretzky win without Messier and the rest of the star studded Edmonton cast? Messier won two without Gretzky.

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 11:36 AM
Mess didn't even make the list!!!
What effect did the 2 extra have on the game?
While Mess got his extra 2, Gretzky was expanding the game.
It's the Gretzky effect you now see on american hockey.
You really think small, yank!
....now tell me about how good a leader Mess was, etc, etc, etc......

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 11:47 AM
Just saying.. How many cups did Gretzky win without Messier and supporting cast? Overrated? I think so. By the way, Jack, this list is compiled of the most offensively skilled players, not the most complete players in the game. If this list was the best complete players Gretzky wouldn't even be considered. Messier on the other hand...

So helping expand the game is a direct reflection of the skill a player might have? I don't think so. Being an ambassador for the sport and being a complete player are two different things. One thing that makes Messier better than Gretzky - 1994, Game 6 Vs the Devils. The guarantee, the hat trick, and ultimately the win. Messier carried teams. Gretzky hid behind tough guys and cried behind podiums.

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 11:49 AM
Aha, ah, ah, ah....you don't the difference between sheep sh*t and cherry pits!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 12:39 PM
Funny that you have no actual argument to what I had to say. Guess I'm right. Gretzky = overrated and a defensive liability. Also, Gretzky would not survive in today's game.

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 03:30 PM
Just cause you can't see it......
What a useless argument you have.
The Greatest Hockey Player to ever play the game celebrated his birthday on Jan. 26th.
And, the hockey world agreed!
Find me another birthday cele of another NHLer that comes anywhere close.
+518 reads a little different than your description of his defensive play.
He never found a league that could contain him. It would be no different today.
Your lips keep moving, but nothing seems to be coming out!
Oh...tell how he needed protection..aha, ha, ha, ha!

RWGR
01-31-2011, 04:42 PM
Ha, ha, how about 7:40 into OT in the Olympics!

Which is nowhere near as embarrassing as THE TWENTY MINUTES in Buffalo. :)



I know you guy barely look good with out it, but I'm just saying

Jack, you're our greatest ally.

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 04:51 PM
Is making sh*t up an American thing?
I know you guy barely look good with out it, but I'm just saying

Jack, you're our greatest ally.

That is what I said, yank!
You got nothing unless you fabricate!

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 04:53 PM
Kessel and Kesslar....0 fer in the allstar game!
Impressive!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 05:00 PM
+/- is a useless stat, Jack. Gretzky was not a complete player. He had no physical game, hid behind Semenko and McSorley his entire career, and he had no defensive game at all. He is the prototypical one-dimensional player. Why did Gretzky ask for McSorley to be traded to LA, Jack??

How many points did Crosby get?? Oh, right.. He was too busy crying about a headache to play.

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 05:01 PM
Kessel and Kesslar....0 fer in the allstar game!
Impressive!

Funny.. I watched the game, and I never saw Kesslar. I guess that would be why he never got any points...

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 05:04 PM
With a comment like that you can tell you never played!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 05:06 PM
Because I disagree with a stat means I never played? God, I'm happy not everybody has the same idiotic logic as you.. So how's Kesslar doing?

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 05:10 PM
Why did Gretzky demand that McSorely was traded with him, Jack? I can guarantee it wasn't for his offensive skills...

RWGR
01-31-2011, 05:25 PM
Gretzky didn't hit; he didn't play much defense; he back-checked on occasion.

Sad someone so limited is called the "Great One".

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 05:56 PM
Kesler and Kesslar went 0 fer!
And , you're right Kellsar didn't play!
I didn't play either and did just as well!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 06:01 PM
Why did Gretzky demand that McSorely was traded with him, Jack? I can guarantee it wasn't for his offensive skills...

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 06:03 PM
Sad someone so limited is called the "Great One".


Yeah....61 NHL records had to come from a player that was limited.
Ha, ha, ha...considering your limited knowledge, I'm not surprised you feel that way.

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 06:12 PM
Why did Gretzky demand that McSorely was traded with him, Jack? I can guarantee it wasn't for his offensive skills...

Also, Kesslar never played either...You spelled it wrong twice now. You claim to know so much about hockey, yet you have no idea who you are talking about. What a loser.

Answer my question, Jack. You refusing to answer just proves that you too know Gretzky was a softy that relied on loads of protection since he could not fight his own battles.

I get the feeling this picture is on your bedroom wall:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fw7iF68JR8k/SLGzA8ZLvgI/AAAAAAAAU6w/7APmeTQ9t9w/s400/-1.jpeg

RWGR
01-31-2011, 06:17 PM
That's Gretzky to a tee!

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 06:28 PM
Read 'em and weep!
The articles written about him turning 50 is impressive.
I don't remember another athlete getting treated like that!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 06:34 PM
No other athlete would cry because his peers forgot to bake him a birthday cake, either.

RWGR
01-31-2011, 06:35 PM
Read 'em and weep!
The articles written about him turning 50 is impressive.
I don't remember another athlete getting treated like that!

There are a lot of articles about Justin Bieber, too.

What's your point?

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 06:38 PM
There are a lot of articles about Justin Bieber, too.

What's your point?

LOL!!!

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 06:43 PM
There are a lot of articles about Justin Bieber, too.

What's your point?

Who's Justin Bieber and when did he turn 50?
My last line was my point... what other athlete enjoyed that kind of ink on his birthday?

RWGR
01-31-2011, 06:46 PM
Who's Justin Bieber and when did he turn 50?
My last line was my point... what other athlete enjoyed that kind of ink on his birthday?

What ink???

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 06:48 PM
What ink...ha, ha, ha!
You know you're on the internet, right?

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 06:49 PM
They use ink on the internet?

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 06:50 PM
I don't know, do they?

RWGR
01-31-2011, 06:51 PM
I don't know, do they?

wow


just, wow

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 06:53 PM
Yeah, it was quick!
Roy has a hard time keeping up, no big!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 07:44 PM
I guess I'll just have to ask again:

Why did Gretzky demand that McSorely was traded with him, Jack?

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 07:50 PM
Maybe it's a question you will never find the answer to?

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 08:01 PM
I know the answer, do you?

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 08:11 PM
If you think you know...great!
....moving on!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 08:18 PM
No not moving on.. You obviously don't want to admit.. It must be that man crush you have.

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 08:55 PM
Well than stay, whatever!
You're the one getting all emotional.

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 09:11 PM
Not at all. Just asking a question. The fact that you refuse to answer makes it seem as if you don't want to admit something....

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 09:14 PM
I would have to care what you think.
Messier didn't even make the list...and it's your list!!!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 09:20 PM
It's my list? I work for TSN now?

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 09:25 PM
You decided to post it after I posted the birthday thread.
You did it just to have this lopsided debate again.
You are see through....as transparent as cling wrap!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 09:27 PM
So the fact that I posted it makes it my list?

Jack Butler
01-31-2011, 09:30 PM
F** o** you creep!

Oscar_Leroy
01-31-2011, 09:32 PM
I just want to know if it's my list.. because if it is, TSN has some explaining to do...