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GenX
08-11-2007, 06:53 PM
I moved to Canada after the 2000 election. Although I did it mainly for career reasons -- I got a job whose description read as though it had been written precisely for my rather quirky background and interests -- at the time I found it gratifying to joke that I was leaving the United States because of George W. Bush. It felt fine to think of myself as someone who was actually going to make good on the standard election-year threat to leave the country. Also, I had spent years of my life feeling like I wasn't a typical American and wishing I could be Canadian. I wanted to live in a country that was not a superpower, a country I believe to have made the right choices about fairness, human rights and the social compact.

So I could certainly identify with the disappointed John Kerry supporters who started fantasizing about moving to Canada after Nov. 2. But after nearly four years as an American in the Great White North, I've learned it's not all beer and doughnuts. If you're thinking about coming to Canada, let me give you some advice: Don't.

Although I enjoy my work and have made good friends here, I've found life as an American expatriate in Canada difficult, frustrating and even painful in ways that have surprised me. As attractive as living here may be in theory, the reality's something else. For me, it's been one of almost daily confrontation with a powerful anti-Americanism that pervades many aspects of life. When I've mentioned this phenomenon to Canadian friends, they've furrowed their brows sympathetically and said, "Yes, Canadian anti-Americanism can be very subtle." My response is, there's nothing subtle about it.

The anti-Americanism I experience generally takes this form: Canadians bring up "the States" or "Americans" to make comparisons or evaluations that mix a kind of smug contempt with a wariness that alternates between the paranoid and the absurd.

Thus, Canadian media discussion of President Bush's upcoming official visit on Tuesday focuses on the snub implied by his not having visited earlier. It's reported that when he does come, he will not speak to a Parliament that's so hostile it can't be trusted to receive him politely. Coverage of a Canadian athlete caught doping devolves into complaints about how Americans always get away with cheating. The "Blame Canada" song from the "South Park" movie is taken as documentary evidence of Americans' real attitudes toward this country. The ongoing U.S. ban on importing Canadian cattle (after a case of mad cow disease was traced to Alberta) is interpreted as a form of political persecution. A six o'clock news show introduces a group of parents and children who are convinced that the reason Canadian textbooks give short shrift to America's failed attempts to invade the Canadian territories in the War of 1812 is to avoid antagonizing the Americans -- who are just waiting for an excuse to give it another try.

My noisy neighbors revel in Canada's two hockey golds at the 2002 Olympics because "We beat the Americans in America!" The first gay couple to wed in Ontario tells the press, before they say anything else, that they are glad they don't live in the United States. A PR person at the hospital where I work, who has been eager to talk to me about a book I've published, puts down her pen when she learns that I'm American and that the book is nearly devoid of "Canadian content."

More seriously, in the wake of 9/11, after the initial shock wore off, it was common to hear some Canadians voice the opinion that Americans had finally gotten what they deserved. The attacks were just deserts for years of interventionist U.S. foreign policy, the increasing inequality between the world's poorest nations and the wealthiest one on earth, and a generalized arrogance. I heard similar views expressed after Nov. 2, when Americans were perceived to have revealed their true selves and thus to "deserve" a second Bush term.

Canadians often use three metaphors to portray their relationship with the United States. They describe Canada as "sleeping with an elephant." Even when the elephant is at rest, they worry that it may suddenly roll over and crush them. They refer to the U.S.-Canadian border as "the longest one-way mirror in the world" -- Canadians peer closely at Americans, trying to make sense of their every move, while the United States sees only its own reflection. Finally, they liken Canada to a gawky teenage girl with a hopeless crush on the handsome and popular boy next door. You know, the one who doesn't even know she exists.

The self-image conveyed in these metaphors is timid and accommodating. Perhaps this is how Canadians see themselves (or would like to be seen), but my experience is that they are extremely aggressive (if somewhat passively so) when it comes to demonstrating their deep ambivalence toward Americans. Take the popular TV show "Talking to Americans," which simultaneously showcases Americans' ignorance about Canada and mocks Canadians' unhealthy preoccupation with what Americans really think of them. Of course, there's often something of the stalker in that gawky teenage girl, isn't there?

Part of what's irksome about Canadian anti-Americanism and the obsession with the United States is that it seems so corrosive to Canada. Any country that defines itself through a negative ("Canada: We're not the United States") is doomed to an endless and repetitive cycle of hand-wringing and angst. For example, Canadians often point to their system of universal health care as the best example of what it means to be Canadian (because the United States doesn't provide it), but this means that any effort to adjust or reform that system (which is not perfect) precipitates a national identity crisis: To wit, instituting co-payments or private MRI clinics will make Canada too much like the United States.

The rush to make comparisons sometimes prevents meaningful examination of the very real problems that Canada faces. (For me, it has become the punch line of a private joke that whenever anything bad happens here, the first response is a chagrined cry of "But we're Canadian!" -- the "not American" can be inferred.) As a Canadian social advocate once told me, when her compatriots look at their own societal problems, they are often satisfied once they can reassure themselves that they're better off than the United States. As long as there's still more homelessness, racism and income inequality to the south, Canadians can continue to rest easy in their moral superiority.

Many Canadians have American relatives or travel frequently to the United States, but a large number are pretty naive about their neighbors to the south. A university student confidently told me that there had been "no dissent" in the United States during the run-up to the Iraq war. Toronto boosters argue that American cities lack the ethnic diversity found in Canada's largest metropolis. The author of a popular book on the differences between the Canadian and American characters (a topic of undying interest here) promotes the view that Americans are all authority-loving conformists.

Ultimately, Canadian anti-Americanism says more about Canada than it does about the United States. Because some 80 to 90 percent of this country's trade is with the United States, the reality is that Canadians need Americans to sustain their economy and thus the quality of life they value. Such dependence breeds resentment. In "officially multicultural Canada," hostility toward Americans is the last socially acceptable expression of bigotry and xenophobia. It would be impossible to say the things about any other nationality that Canadians routinely say -- both publicly and privately -- about Americans. On a human level, it can be rude and hurtful. (As it was on the afternoon of Sept. 11, 2001, when an acquaintance angrily told me that she would now have to curtail her travel plans because she was afraid she might be mistaken for an American.) And there's no way to argue against it. An American who attempts to correct a misconception or express even the mildest approval for the policies of U.S. institutions is likely to be dismissed as thin-skinned or offensive, and as demonstrating those scary nationalistic tendencies that threaten the world.

I felt a strong tug toward America when the borders shut for several hours on the afternoon of 9/11, and again after the election this month. Canadian friends were honestly shocked when I, a caricature of a bluestocking blue-stater (I've spent most of my life in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland and Wisconsin, with short stays in Washington state and the bluest part of Colorado), said that I would in many ways prefer to live in the United States, and not just because it's home. They assume that it's better, more comfortable, to be in a place seemingly more in tune with one's own political and philosophical leanings. Right after the election, many asked me if I would now apply for Canadian citizenship.

I don't intend to do that, because experiencing the anti-Americanism I've described has been instructive: Living here and coping with it has forced me to confront my own feelings about America. And it's helped me discover what I do value about it: its contradictions, its eccentricities, its expansive spirit, all the intensity and opportunity of a deeply flawed, widely inconsistent, but always interesting country. Perhaps I am a typical American, after all.



This is SO on target: "Part of what's irksome about Canadian anti-Americanism and the obsession with the United States is that it seems so corrosive to Canada. Any country that defines itself through a negative ("Canada: We're not the United States") is doomed to an endless and repetitive cycle of hand-wringing and angst"

Bingo!!!!

Author's e-mail:

nora_jacobson@hotmail.com

Nora Jacobson is an American medical sociologist living in Toronto

The Berean
08-11-2007, 06:56 PM
Truth??

No, just opinion.

GenX
08-11-2007, 06:57 PM
Truth.

The Berean
08-11-2007, 09:12 PM
Whatever, SAP.

She says, ".. anti-Americanism that pervades many aspects of life.."

Really?? You figure the main topic at Timmies of a weekday morning is how we all hate america??

Actually, the only time we EVER talk about America is...is...HERE!!!

The Berean
08-11-2007, 09:13 PM
The following are opinions. I wont be so arrogant as to name them anything else.

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/12/19/Opinion/Most_Canadians_do_not.shtml

Most Canadians do not subscribe to anti-Americanism

Published December 19, 2004

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Re: O, no, Canada, by Nora Jacobson, Dec. 12.


Nora Jacobson has obviously been exposed to strong anti-American criticism. It makes us wonder who her acquaintances, friends and colleagues are. There certainly is a small percentage of the Canadian population who voice and feel what Jacobson calls "anti-Americanism," but the majority of Canadians do not feel this way.

Just because some Canadians criticize the United States, it does not mean this is "the Canadian view." We have also experienced some of the very hurtful remarks she mentions but we always consider who voices it. The media are not always right, and movies and television programs don't necessarily reflect the overall Canadian view.

What disturbs us is the fact that her article paints her views and experiences as typically Canadian. Is Nora Jacobson an expert on Canadian culture just because she has lived and worked in Canada for approximately four years?

We are both Canadians and spend a little over six months of our lives in Canada and a little under six months in the United States every year. We enjoy the good qualities of the people in both the United States and Canada.


-- Fred and Ingrid Huff, Indian Shores
Learn from Canadian experience
Re: O, no, Canada, Dec. 12.

Are we surprised that an American sociologist found that Canadians are (in comparison with Americans) "timid, accommodating" and obsessed with what Americans think of them? Hmm - so they are obviously not Americans!

Nora Jacobson should know the grass is never greener on the other side. It is, however, different. Learn from it.

While she made some good points, she also had many nasty and extraneous comments, probably out of anger, that served no useful purpose except to inflame, rather than endear. Just maybe, with some positive lessons learned and good intentions, we can better run this world we share with others.


-- David Knowles, Indian Shores
Canadians grieved on 9/11
Re: O, no, Canada.

As a Canadian citizen who has lived and worked either in or near the Toronto area all my life, I was deeply offended by Jacobson's perceptions of Canadian attitudes toward Americans. She is quite simply wrong.

Her suggestion that "in the wake of 9/11it was common to hear some Canadians voice the opinion that Americans had finally gotten what they deserved" is just drivel! At the time of 9/11, I was attending a government conference in northern Ontario. The participants were so shocked and outraged by the events that we decided to cancel the conference. Many of our best friends are Americans. The same holds true for many other Canadians. Our border is described as the longest undefended border in the world. We are proud of our relationship with the United States. I think Nora Jacobson is listening to the wrong people in Canada. She needs to get herself a new set of friends.


-- Garth Burrow, Apollo Beach
An injustice to both countries
Re: O, no, Canada.

To print this one-sided opinion piece was an injustice to all Canadians and Americans. To equate Toronto or Ontario as all of Canada is like judging all of the United States by New York. Nora Jacobson should visit the west or Nova Scotia before using a wide brush on the rest of Canada.


-- Gary White, Largo
Sibling rivalry, at worst
Re: O, no, Canada.

Okay, so the Canadians don't like Yankees. I've got news for you: Nobody likes Americans outside of the United States. When I was seeing the world in Uncle Sam's Navy, the Europeans loved our money but thought we were harsh and uncivilized. When I did some backpacking in Africa, we tried not to openly identify ourselves as Yanks.

You see, it ain't just the Canadians; we get hackles up where ever we go. We are a successful and well-paid society. We educate everyone and give them a shot at life's gold ring. And the world at large really doesn't like us for it. But, what other country has people trying to sneak in and join their society?

However, since spending the last 35 years living in Canada, I think I have at least as good a grasp of Canadian public opinion as Jacobson. The statement that following 9/11, "it was common to hear some Canadians voice the opinion that Americans had finally gotten what they deserved," was a low blow. I was in Canada during the 9/11 attack. I read and watched the Canadian press react to the event and continue to live in that society for six months of every year. I have yet to hear any Canadian say anything close to those remarks.

Perhaps Jacobson should set foot out in the countryside, taking the pulse of the real Canada: hard-working, honest folks who often appear more like a mirror image of their neighbor rather than enemies. We have the position of sharing the same foxhole in a war against terrorism, and like soldiers in battle we don't always see eye to eye. But we do agree that it's kind of a neat relationship. Rather like having a brother who is 10 feet tall and is filthy rich.

Envy, jealousy and awe but brothers to the end.


-- T.E. "Terry" Moran, Dunedin
One person's experience
I am appalled by the fact that you would display the Dec. 12 column O, no, Canada as your lead item in Sunday's Perspective section. In my view, it is a mean-spirited diatribe which reflects the experience of one American expatriate living in Toronto - but purports to be a worthy evaluation of the state of mind of a much larger community. True, the war in Iraq is not a popular one to many people - American or Canadian - but let us not use it as a wedge to divide two nations which have coexisted peacefully for generations.

As is the case with many other Floridians, I have contact with many wonderful Canadians for whom Florida is a winter address and for whom I feel a great deal of affection. Why should we insult them by painting them with the broad brush of one person's negative experience?


-- Jessie Conroy, St. Petersburg

GenX
08-11-2007, 09:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ConKat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whatever, SAP.

She says, ".. anti-Americanism that pervades many aspects of life.."

Really?? You figure the main topic at Timmies of a weekday morning is how we all hate america??

Actually, the only time we EVER talk about America is...is...HERE!!! </div></div>

Oh, sure /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

You're all obsessed!

dancingqueen
08-11-2007, 10:11 PM
Nice article Speedy, The opinions made of the article are individual people comparing who they know to the comments made in the Article. I do hear lots of anti-Amaricanisim outside of this board, and ALOT of it! I have heard people say "they got what they deserved" durring 9/11, maybe not lots, but the fact that I have heard it is sickening. I get sick of hearing all about this "Anti-Americanisim" it gets kinda.... well.... predictable. Maybe in your opinion Bush doesn't do things the right way, but we should seperate america's politics from America's people. Like it or not, where stuck together