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I read on Sootoday this morning a letter that Ron Schinner, former mayoral candidate wrote to City Council.
It can be read here: http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/details.asp?c=39064
I'm curious to see what becomes of this. Your thoughts?
Soundbear
02-15-2012, 10:13 AM
A guy who cares about the Sault is giving an opinion. It might be wrong, but that's for council to decide.
And, I think he's right.
I've been here 42 years and that deep harbour idea preceded me. It will never happen. How much money has been wasted on the idea up to now, anybody know??
Lots of waste starting with the INNOVATION CENTRE...THE EDC...money for downtown(when no one goes there anymore).Do you think the parking meters on Queen take in enough money to pay all those meter maids?
blueboy
02-15-2012, 01:21 PM
There's two votes the fool will get in the next election
Oscar_Leroy
02-15-2012, 02:28 PM
As much as I have disagreed with Schinners in the past, I am very interested in finding out what becomes of this. Although a bit abrasive and intensely passionate at times, I think Schinners does raise a good point every now and then.
Soundbear
02-15-2012, 02:53 PM
There's two votes the fool will get in the next election
Explain to us why he's a fool.
I would think that if any procedural errors were made the city has a legal firm retained to advise on such possible errors.
Jack Butler
02-15-2012, 03:15 PM
Explain to us why he's a fool.
http://www.soonet.ca/showthread.php?42708-Nobel-peace-prize-Lie&highlight=Schinner
Soundbear
02-15-2012, 03:28 PM
http://www.soonet.ca/showthread.php?42708-Nobel-peace-prize-Lie&highlight=Schinner
See Anapeg's answers to that. And he is right.
Jack Butler
02-15-2012, 05:08 PM
See Anapeg's answers to that. And he is right.
http://www.soonet.ca/showthread.php?42708-Nobel-peace-prize-Lie&highlight=Schinner
You say...refer to post 28!
dancingqueen
02-15-2012, 05:25 PM
http://www.soonet.ca/showthread.php?42708-Nobel-peace-prize-Lie&highlight=Schinner
You say...refer to post 28!
So because someone else chose not to declare the honor they where given, it is no the responsibility of everyone else to do the same????
For ever? or is there a time limit?
What is the radius in which this must happen? or is it a global thing?
What the hell do you think the point is in awarding nobel peace prizes to groups if it is not for the distinct honor it resembles?
Jack Butler
02-15-2012, 06:55 PM
The way he did it was bogus.
He didn't explained it and he should have.
I'm not saying he isn't one or that he doesn't deserve to be one.
Just call a spade a spade.
I can't put it any better than Karen-Annie did, so....
There is a BIG difference between saying "I am a Nobel Peace Prize recipient" and saying "I am a member of Nobel Peace Prize-winning group." One is putting yourself above the group, the other is acknowledging that it is a collaborative award and he is just one small cog.
Shame on him.
Soundbear
02-15-2012, 08:20 PM
'There is a BIG difference between saying "I am a Nobel Peace Prize recipient" and saying "I am a member of Nobel Peace Prize-winning group." One is putting yourself above the group, the other is acknowledging that it is a collaborative award and he is just one small cog."
"I am a Stanley Cup winner" Legit to a lot of folks or not??
Edit to add two comments: Search "a Stanley Cup winner" on Google, and you will find it attached to individual names. ANd, that being the case, each man gets a Stanley Cup ring, in addition to the team getting a trophy, at least for a while.
Is "a Stanley Cup winner" putting himself above the group?? That' depends on YOUR perception of the guy, and in Schinner's case, there's an obvious bias.
Jack Butler
02-15-2012, 08:26 PM
Stanley is never awarded to an individual...never!
It's always a team.
Soundbear
02-15-2012, 08:27 PM
Stanley is never awarded to an individual...never!
It's always a team.
And whaddya know, the Nobel prizes are given to individuals, two at once, three at once etc, each of which is privileged to say, I am a Nobel Prize winner.
Jack Butler
02-15-2012, 08:29 PM
Whatever!
Oscar_Leroy
02-15-2012, 09:19 PM
And whaddya know, the Nobel prizes are given to individuals, two at once, three at once etc, each of which is privileged to say, I am a Nobel Prize winner.
That's hard to argue. Well said.
Soundbear
02-15-2012, 09:37 PM
All this reminds me of a young guy who was on council a few years back, Duane???, D something??? Anyway, there was this same arguing about what an idiot he was here on Soonet.
So I took the guy to lunch.
After that, I certainly didn't agree with him on everything, but I understood his sincerity. Very interesting.
Gentlemen, I commend this action to you.
Jack Butler
02-15-2012, 09:55 PM
Edit to add two comments: Search "a Stanley Cup winner" on Google, and you will find it attached to individual names. ANd, that being the case, each man gets a Stanley Cup ring, in addition to the team getting a trophy, at least for a while.
Is "a Stanley Cup winner" putting himself above the group?? That' depends on YOUR perception of the guy, and in Schinner's case, there's an obvious bias.
What don't you get?
Stanley is never given to an individual, so if you claim to be a winner it has to be as part of a team. It's understood, no one is claiming to be above the group/team.
The NPP is awarded to individuals and groups, so when you claim to be a winner it should be explained not to confuse the two.
He pulled it off his website when it hit the fan originally.
He had his chance then and he said nothing.
I see, so it's Mandela, Tutu, Mother Teresa and Schinner?
Soundbear
02-15-2012, 10:12 PM
What don't you get?
Stanley is never given to an individual, so if you claim to be a winner it has to be as part of a team. It's understood, no one is claiming to be above the group/team.
The NPP is awarded to individuals and groups, so when you claim to be a winner it should be explained not to confuse the two.
He pulled it off his website when it hit the fan originally.
He had his chance then and he said nothing.
I see, so it's Mandela, Tutu, Mother Teresa and Schinner?
As you said, Jack, whatever!! :) :) :)
Jack Butler
02-15-2012, 10:19 PM
Ha, ha, ha....nice!
dancingqueen
02-16-2012, 12:46 AM
Jack, you just don't like him, for whatever your reasons are... but you are transferring this dislike you have over him to cover everything and anything he does... this is quite a reach, and the only people that would agree with you share your contempt for him. I have no opinion of him, and can see in neutral eyes that his statement was a legitimate one.
Oscar_Leroy
02-16-2012, 01:55 AM
Jack, you just don't like him, for whatever your reasons are... but you are transferring this dislike you have over him to cover everything and anything he does... this is quite a reach, and the only people that would agree with you share your contempt for him. I have no opinion of him, and can see in neutral eyes that his statement was a legitimate one.
How dare you look at a situation objectively?! I think a ban is in order...
Jack Butler
02-16-2012, 02:54 AM
Jack, you just don't like him, for whatever your reasons are... but you are transferring this dislike you have over him to cover everything and anything he does... this is quite a reach, and the only people that would agree with you share your contempt for him. I have no opinion of him, and can see in neutral eyes that his statement was a legitimate one.
for whatever your reasons are...
He lied, plain and simple.
...and that's quite an assumption you've got there.
Soundbear
02-16-2012, 10:18 AM
Jack, you just don't like him, for whatever your reasons are... but you are transferring this dislike you have over him to cover everything and anything he does... this is quite a reach, and the only people that would agree with you share your contempt for him. I have no opinion of him, and can see in neutral eyes that his statement was a legitimate one.
I think DQ is right.
AND I note with amusement, Jack, your total lack of comment on my post, #21.
Soundbear
02-16-2012, 10:22 AM
How dare you look at a situation objectively?! I think a ban is in order...
Sounds familiar!!! :) :) :)
And let me rephrase your signature:
"A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave." - Mahatma Gandhi
to:
"A coward is incapable of exhibiting objectivity; it is the prerogative of the brave."
I'm not sure about the accuracy of Schinner's letter, but having said that, his political record and election results speak for themselves. He's turned a lot of people away in the way he has approached dealing with city hall and the public. It's not like he's new to the political scene; his negative reputation is warranted.
dancingqueen
02-16-2012, 11:12 AM
He lied, plain and simple.
As far as I can see, he did not. And if this discussion is happening, then it is not clearly "plain and simple"
...and that's quite an assumption you've got there.
I believe it to be quite accurate, it's not like it's an uncommon reaction.
Jack Butler
02-16-2012, 11:30 AM
As far as I can see, he did not. And if this discussion is happening, then it is not clearly "plain and simple"
I believe it to be quite accurate, it's not like it's an uncommon reaction.
Half truths or lies are one and the same IMO, plain and simple.
It would be accurate if you accept half truths as the truth...I don't.
I'm surprized you do!
dancingqueen
02-16-2012, 11:32 AM
Half truths or lies are one and the same IMO, plain and simple.
It would be accurate if you accept half truths as the truth...I don't.
I'm surprized you do!
Define a "half truth"
Jack Butler
02-16-2012, 11:35 AM
How Schinner dealt with his NPP.
Jack Butler
02-16-2012, 11:36 AM
A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth
Oscar_Leroy
02-16-2012, 12:05 PM
A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth
Now define lie. You will notice a difference.
Oscar_Leroy
02-16-2012, 12:08 PM
"A coward is incapable of exhibiting objectivity; it is the prerogative of the brave."
This is so true a lot of the times.
Jack Butler
02-16-2012, 03:27 PM
Who cares, I want a whole truth!
It's a half truth, so what's the other half?
You want to defend this bum go right ahead....here's your sign!
Soundbear
02-16-2012, 05:11 PM
Who cares, I want a whole truth!
It's a half truth, so what's the other half?
You want to defend this bum go right ahead....here's your sign!
Unfortunately Jack, your attitude is also a half-truth.
Jack Butler
02-16-2012, 05:21 PM
If you're accepting of it, than so is yours.
dancingqueen
02-17-2012, 02:06 AM
.....Aaaaaaaaaaa this is where Jackie ceases making any sense...
Since when did anything regarding politics HAVE TO BE TRUTHFUL? McGuinty lied and got re-elected. harper lied and said we were in great shape compared to other countires and this was stated BEFORE the election.
official soonet pu$$ycat
02-17-2012, 10:35 AM
Where does it say allocated funds cannot be reallocated to somewhere else? His letter makes no sense. It says money raised for a specific purpose cannot be used for something else.
official soonet pu$$ycat
02-17-2012, 10:39 AM
"The accounting firm KPMG was granted approval from city council on Monday to conduct a market assessment and feasibility study.
Woods confirmed to council $100,000 in FedNor funding for the study as announced recently by Minister of FedNor Tony Clement.
The remaining $50,000 needed to complete the study will come out of the $250,000 originally allocated by the city to save the Huron Central railroad.
Only $50,000 was needed for the successful push to save the railroad."
http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/details.asp?c=38809
Where does it say allocated funds cannot be reallocated to somewhere else? His letter makes no sense. It says money raised for a specific purpose cannot be used for something else.
I agree with Mr. Schinners in those regards.
If funds are raised for a purpose, the people who invest or donate are told what they are investing/donating to. If the money is in turn being used for something else, they would be mislead. That to me is a huge deal. If i myself was an investor /donator for a "specific" cause and the money got used for something else I would probably become irate and have my piece heard. It would be like giving a close friend 50 dollars for groceries only to find out they spent it on booze or drugs. Wouldn't you feel mislead or even cheated?
official soonet pu$$ycat
02-17-2012, 10:46 AM
I agree with Mr. Schinners in those regards.
If funds are raised for a purpose, the people who invest or donate are told what they are investing/donating to. If the money is in turn being used for something else, they would be mislead. That to me is a huge deal. If i myself was an investor /donator for a "specific" cause and the money got used for something else I would probably become irate and have my piece heard. It would be like giving a close friend 50 dollars for groceries only to find out they spent it on booze or drugs. Wouldn't you feel mislead or even cheated?
Where did the money come from for the Huron Central railway?
official soonet pu$$ycat
02-17-2012, 10:51 AM
The $250,000 I mean not all the rest
Soundbear
02-17-2012, 10:57 AM
If you're accepting of it, than so is yours.
Not at all. I'm NOT accepting of it, not entirely. That's why I suggested a meeting with the guy. It helps so much to clrify attitudes and intentions with someone you might be in disagreement with. I'll remind you that respect has nothing to do with agrrement on all topics.
Your attitude is condemning, and I'm very sure you don't know what Schinner's is thinking.
Jack Butler
02-17-2012, 11:51 AM
That's your choice.
My attitude is condemning and all based of fact.
I don't want to know what he's thinking or has to say.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so...
He manipulates things at his first chance.
Maybe it's just you're jealous?
The $250,000 I mean not all the rest
I am not sure but this might be the source of the $250,000.
http://www.city.sault-ste-marie.on.ca/contentadmin/UserFiles/File/Agendas_Minutes/2009/Agenda_Special_August_13_2009.pdf
Soundbear
02-17-2012, 01:51 PM
That's your choice.
My attitude is condemning and all based of fact.
I don't want to know what he's thinking or has to say.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so...
He manipulates things at his first chance.
Maybe it's just you're jealous?
Based on fact?? And then you say ,"I don't want to know what he's thinking or has to say.."
Maybe you're missing a fact or two because of that??
Never jealous of a closed mind, Jack.
Soundbear
02-17-2012, 01:54 PM
I am not sure but this might be the source of the $250,000.
http://www.city.sault-ste-marie.on.ca/contentadmin/UserFiles/File/Agendas_Minutes/2009/Agenda_Special_August_13_2009.pdf
I see it says "up to 250,000". That MIGHT leave leeway to take out $50,000 of it, but I think it looks a little devious. There should at least me another vote by council.
Sometimes it's hard to believe what you read. From page 18 of the SSMEDC webpage on 2009 highlights
http://www.city.sault-ste-marie.on.ca/contentadmin/UserFiles/File/Agendas_Minutes/2009/Agenda_Special_August_13_2009.pdf
"Huron Central Rail
$250,000 was spent to help with rail
line improvements. Such improvements
were deemed essential to allow the
line to remain in operation. The funds
were then leveraged and used to apply
for additional investment from the
senior levels of government."
If this is the 250 thousand at issue it would seem it was only spent per se as a leverage - but what do I know.
Jack Butler
02-17-2012, 03:20 PM
Based on fact?? And then you say ,"I don't want to know what he's thinking or has to say.."
Maybe you're missing a fact or two because of that??
Never jealous of a closed mind, Jack.
Jealous of him....not me.
You seem to have an opinion on everything on here, right.
The facts are IMO is he lied.
And it's not a closed mind, it's sticking to my principals.
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