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Bluesky
11-15-2012, 06:20 PM
They've been talking about this non-stop in TO. Enough for me to pull out my hair!

http://www.newstalk1010.com/shows/johnmoore/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10466853

dancingqueen
11-15-2012, 06:34 PM
There was a time I would have said "Go find another barber, this is capitalism, let them suffer the natural consequences"
but now I think this is wrong, I don't care what your religious rights are, treating people with decency and respect trumps fairy tale make-believe. If your job has the potential to conflict with your religion, and your religion is that important, then find another job. our secular society should not be held hostage by an individual's BELIEFS.

KDawg
11-15-2012, 07:29 PM
I don't care what your religious rights are, treating people with decency and respect trumps fairy tale make-believe. If your job has the potential to conflict with your religion, and your religion is that important, then find another job. our secular society should not be held hostage by an individual's BELIEFS.
You want people to have the right to infringe on the religious rights of others.

Think man. Think.

Barry Morris
11-15-2012, 09:13 PM
Guy shouldn't have to cut anyone's hair if he doesn't want to.

Women...

I agree!!

dancingqueen
11-15-2012, 09:42 PM
You want people to have the right to infringe on the religious rights of others.

Think man. Think.

religion is less important than real things.

Barry Morris
11-15-2012, 10:54 PM
In your opinion.

KDawg
11-16-2012, 06:37 AM
religion is less important than real things.
OK. So you're not into thinking.

Then use Blunt's secular example of the guy being able to cut the hair of whoever he wishes. It makes the same point.

Bluesky
11-16-2012, 07:33 AM
If a businessperson is offering a service, and he has a faith that restricts him/her in that business, I think he should make it know with a sign or a brochure. In that case, I surmise he would have been ok.

What will happen now? The lady in question will take this to the HRC (Human Rights Commission) on the taxpayers' dime, while the barber will have to pay thousands of dollars in legal fees to defend himself.

(I suspect what is really going on here is an agenda to get more press on the part of the gay political agenda, but that's a different issue.)

dancingqueen
11-16-2012, 08:56 AM
OK. So you're not into thinking.

Then use Blunt's secular example of the guy being able to cut the hair of whoever he wishes. It makes the same point.

Yes, that is a secular/capitalist opinion, mine is a secular/socialist perspective.
real life trumps fairy tales. That's all.

dancingqueen
11-16-2012, 08:58 AM
In your opinion.

Sorry, Fairy tails that infringe on human rights are not valid.
He can change his opinion, she cannot change her gender.

Barry Morris
11-16-2012, 10:09 AM
Sorry, Fairy tails that infringe on human rights are not valid.
He can change his opinion, she cannot change her gender.

Cultural values are fairy tales?? Interesting.

dancingqueen
11-16-2012, 01:17 PM
Cultural values are fairy tales?? Interesting.

The man said it was against his RELIGIOUS beliefs.
Good try on on attempting to steer this off track though, good show.

The Left Sock
11-16-2012, 01:51 PM
You know, if this guy diversified his business a bit, he could probably beat the Human Rights rap.

How about, a half-price sale for Amish beard trims?

Or, a two-for-one deal on Sikh crew-cuts?

When you're in Toronto, you have to cater to the ethnic communities, to get a foot up on the competition!

Barry Morris
11-16-2012, 03:18 PM
The man said it was against his RELIGIOUS beliefs.
Good try on on attempting to steer this off track though, good show.

Good try at making it all about religion, which it is not.

Barry Morris
11-16-2012, 03:18 PM
You know, if this guy diversified his business a bit, he could probably beat the Human Rights rap.

How about, a half-price sale for Amish beard trims?

Or, a two-for-one deal on Sikh crew-cuts?

When you're in Toronto, you have to cater to the ethnic communities, to get a foot up on the competition!

But still no women. Still a problem.

No Drama Please
11-16-2012, 03:56 PM
Perhaps he should have told her that her hair was too dirty for him to cut. Would have saved all this trouble.

Bluesky
11-17-2012, 10:15 AM
Good try at making it all about religion, which it is not.

No SB. In the news it is being reported that the barber claims it is against his religion to touch a woman. The other barbers in the shop are also all Muslims, and they all refused as well.

So this is shaping up to be a fight whether religious rights are equal to other rights, all enshrined in the same Bill of Rights. We are soon going to be looking at a hierarchical chart or rights. Whose rights will trump all others? Seems rather oxymoronic, if you ask me.

"this world is not my home....

BFLPE
11-17-2012, 12:32 PM
So this is shaping up to be a fight whether religious rights are equal to other rights...Or you might say it's shaping up to whether other rights are on par with religious rights.

Interesting case though the most interesting thing is the amount of attention it seems to be getting IMO.

Considering there are other places she could have had her haircut right next door and reading that she wouldn't accept what I think is a reasonable compromise by the owner of the shop I don't see her 'winning' this case.

BFLPE
11-17-2012, 12:36 PM
religion is less important than real things.Living a fairy tale where our Charter of Rights and Freedoms doesn't exist?

Bluesky
11-17-2012, 06:42 PM
Considering there are other places she could have had her haircut right next door and reading that she wouldn't accept what I think is a reasonable compromise by the owner of the shop I don't see her 'winning' this case.

I am uncertain about which way it will go. Lately, the City of Toronto, in particular the TDSB has been making decisions that defy all common sense, and so I wouldn't be surprised if the spirit that has infect this city has spread to our provinicial tribunals. Or maybe it was the other way around...