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The Left Sock
12-20-2013, 02:59 PM
Personally, I think gay people can do what they want. Two consenting adults want to love each other, marry each other - what does that matter to me? As long as people aren't doing harm, they should be free. It's a simple concept, but one that often gets overlooked.

However, Phil Robertson doesn't agree. He thinks being gay is harmful, in a spiritual sense. So, that's his opinion. He was interviewed by GQ, asked his opinion, and he gave it. What did they think was going to happen? He wasn't advocating violence against anyone. He just said he thought it was sinful. No direct harm came to gay people from him stating his opinion, so he should be free to give that opinion. It's a simple concept, that should apply to everyone, equally.

A&E pulling Phil off of the set for giving his opinion is wrong, in my opinion.

I'm more interested in why certain Christians focus in on particular sins, than what the Bible actually says about them. The sins you fixate on, tell more about you as a person, than it does about your faith.

bilbo79
12-20-2013, 11:13 PM
It's not wrong at all. Phil Robertson is absolutely right to speak his opinion and A&E is absolutely right to protect their brand and image.

The Left Sock
12-21-2013, 01:06 AM
He didn't say the things he did on an episode of Duck Dynasty. He said it in a magazine interview, based on his own opinion. That's his business. A&E aren't 'protecting' a brand, they're running scared.

My prediction is that this will all blow over, and after a short wait, all will be back to normal. They have a whole new season of Duck Dynasty in the can, so A&E can afford to play tough for a while, before anything real is lost.

KDawg
12-22-2013, 05:34 PM
Robertson's family thinks this is about religious censorship, not his views on homosexuality. Thankfully this has back-fired on the PC clowns at A&E (Disney).


Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson and his family believe they have been ‘hung out to dry’ by TV network A&E after he was suspended for homophobic comments made in a magazine interview, MailOnline can reveal.
Sources within the close-knit Louisiana clan say they are convinced A&E are manipulating the controversial situation to bring them – and particularly Robertson – back into line after Television executives grew tired of the family pushing their deeply-held, Christian beliefs.
They also think the network could have done something to stop the controversial GQ article being made public, because an A&E representative was present during the interview with patriarch, Roberston, 67.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527430/Hung-dry-Duck-Dynasty-star-family-lash-A-E-making-controversial-interview-public-suspending-homophobic-comments.html

Camille Paglia, a self-described openly gay “dissident feminist” agrees with the Robertson clan.

According to Paglia, Robertson’s suspension was uncalled for, and it signals a cultural obsession with political correctness. She even calls her own party out for supporting such actions:

“To express yourself in a magazine in an interview – this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist [tactics] that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades. This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960s that has been lost by my own party.” http://www.aleteia.org/en/society/news/camille-paglia-stalinist-tactics-used-against-duck-dynastys-phil-robertson-5215320268603392

Official Cat of Soonet
12-22-2013, 07:12 PM
A&E is going ahead with running a Duck Dynasty marathon over Christmas. I'm confused.

KDawg
12-22-2013, 07:40 PM
A&E is going ahead with running a Duck Dynasty marathon over Christmas. I'm confused.
They're hypocrites but they still want their money.

The Left Sock
12-22-2013, 10:29 PM
Cracker Barrel stores pulled all their Duck Dynasty products from their shelves, thinking it was over for the Robertsons. Two days later, they put everything back on the shelves.

This is a clear indicator that this whole thing will blow over, and it will be back to normal business for Duck Dynasty, probably shortly after the Holidays.

Very interesting, this whole scenario. It's not going to play out like it did for Paula Deen, I can pretty much guarantee it.

dancingqueen
12-23-2013, 12:25 PM
like left sock, I'm also more curious about why certain Christian groups fixate on particular "teachings" from the bible, yet completely ignore others.

Aristotle
12-23-2013, 01:43 PM
like left sock, I'm also more curious about why certain Christian groups fixate on particular "teachings" from the bible, yet completely ignore others.

I'd ask you for an example, but I already know the obfuscation that will occur.

Official Cat of Soonet
12-23-2013, 02:39 PM
like left sock, I'm also more curious about why certain Christian groups fixate on particular "teachings" from the bible, yet completely ignore others.

I'm curious as to why a man would want to stick their wiener in another man's butt. Luckily we are all allowed to publicly wonder these types of things. Wait... i mean some of us are allowed.

The Voice
12-23-2013, 03:35 PM
I'm curious as to why a man would want to stick their wiener in another man's butt. Luckily we are all allowed to publicly wonder these types of things. Wait... i mean some of us are allowed.

Ohhh!! Testy Cat.

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/16/75/a1/1675a1cea9c81f0b93e87cc02a202123.jpg

The Left Sock
12-23-2013, 07:03 PM
Gay people represent a small percentage of the population (I would state a number, but that would start a whole other discussion, which isn't relevant to my point here). Yet, this seems to be the focal point of the 'morality' argument for many Christians.

Divorce is an epidemic in North America. Roughly half of all marriages will fail, fracturing the very essence of Christian teachings. Do you see any religious leaders out there campaigning against divorce? I don't.

Alcohol and drug use are epidemic in North America. Thousands die from it every year, violence is committed against innocent people daily over it, and many families are destroyed by it. The police and the government spend a lot of time and money chasing drunks and junkies around, but you don't see a lot of religious leaders making headlines trying to fight it.

Gay marriage is all about two consenting adults trying to formalize their relationship in a legal manner. This is what gets all the pulpit time? Really? Is this the number one priority right now? Will you prevent the maximum amount of moral harm to society by pouring all your resources into a campaign to stop it?

I think its cowardly. It's easy to pick on a small population within our ranks, instead of having the courage and conviction to stand up and make half the congregation squirm in their seats by tackling something as widespread as divorce or substance abuse. It's an easy target.

In Phil Robertson's defense, he listed a bunch of moral offenses in his interview with GQ, but the only one anyone seems interested in, is his comment on homosexuals. The gay community has to own some of that, because they helped put the focus on homosexuality by commenting only on that aspect of the interview, when they could have urged the religious community to do something about the terrible divorce rates in America. They missed the boat on this one.

dancingqueen
12-23-2013, 10:57 PM
I'd ask you for an example, but I already know the obfuscation that will occur.

wearing cloths of mixed fibers, planting different crops together, touching pig skin etc...

lynys
12-24-2013, 01:51 AM
He didn't say the things he did on an episode of Duck Dynasty. He said it in a magazine interview, based on his own opinion. That's his business. A&E aren't 'protecting' a brand, they're running scared.

My prediction is that this will all blow over, and after a short wait, all will be back to normal. They have a whole new season of Duck Dynasty in the can, so A&E can afford to play tough for a while, before anything real is lost.

The problem is, he is a representative of the network, so therefore, it is for their protection. I can understand why they would fire him. Should they have released a statement saying his views are not the views of the network? Sure. But they are well within their right to release him of his contract. Not having seen this contract, there may be a stipulation in it. We don't know.

KDawg
12-26-2013, 02:40 PM
Phil Robertson stood on his principles and he has won out against the PC morons at A&E/Disney.


It has now been revealed that Phil Robertson will be returning to Duck Dynasty on January 15. A&E said they have no plans to fire the star. It appears as though the war on Phil Robertson and his freedoms of free speech and religions aren’t quite so savage. Although A&E declared they were suspending the star “indefinitely, ” it was apparently only a façade for the gay community as sources say they still intend to air episodes featuring Robertson.Phil Robertson Returning to Duck Dynasty (http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/12/29413-ae-lying-to-the-public-about-suspending-phil-robertson/)

Official Cat of Soonet
12-26-2013, 03:01 PM
That's great. Now people can choose for themselves whether or not they want to support the show by watching it. If you disagree with him then don't watch. Jesse Jackson has issued an ultimatum to meet with A&E so they can discuss it. Hopefully it doesn't fall on the day he visit his son in prison who uses the democratic process to get money for personal things.

KDawg
12-26-2013, 05:35 PM
That's great. Now people can choose for themselves whether or not they want to support the show by watching it. If you disagree with him then don't watch. Jesse Jackson has issued an ultimatum to meet with A&E so they can discuss it. Hopefully it doesn't fall on the day he visit his son in prison who uses the democratic process to get money for personal things.
Ha! Good point about the Rev Jackson. How is this guy even relevant anymore...whether you're a democrat or not.

The Left Sock
12-26-2013, 07:25 PM
It's amazing to me, that in this day and age, a number of high profile people can get away with committing a major logic foul while commenting on what Phil Robertson said.

The argument from some corners of the net are claiming that Robertson 'equated homosexuality to bestiality'. But is that really what happened?

Phil did rhyme off a grocery list of issues, and homosexuality and bestiality were contained in the same list. So, does this mean they are equal, just because they belong to a single list of items? No, it does not.

Phil was asked for examples of what he considers 'sin'. He responded with this list, that included adultery, bestiality, homosexuality, etc., So, where did the logic flaw occur?

Well, supposedly intelligent people have drawn the hasty conclusion that since all of these things are 'equally sins' to Phil Robertson, they must have 'equal value'. This is called the 'fallacy of division', in which you interpret an aspect of a whole concept, and try to apply it equally to all parts of the concept.

This is a foul, which can be logically proven by using a simple example:

- A list of crimes include; petty theft, fraud, arson, rape, and murder.

- Petty theft and murder are both crimes.

- Therefore, petty theft and murder are equal in value.

So, it is easy to prove how ridiculous it is to suggest that Phil Robertson equated bestiality to homosexuality, but it amazes me just how many people know it is wrong, but can't explain why it is wrong. Well, now you know how to do it!

Christians must take some of the blame for this, because they have this tenacious habit of making grand, sweeping statements about 'sin'; about how we are all 'sinners', about how all 'sin' is offensive to God, how all 'sin' can deny you entry into Heaven, yet everyone can still get into Heaven despite being sinners, if you take the right steps. They have certainly done a good job of muddling the secular mind on how the whole system works, so they can't really get too bent when people make generalizations that are unclear or unfair, when it comes to this kind of thing.

However, when it comes to Phil Robertson, and the standard rules of logic, no one can honestly claim that he equated bestiality to homosexuality, not without forfeiting credibility.

Now, the really interesting question is: do most Christians think bestiality is a worse sin that homosexuality, or is homosexuality worse? Are they equal, or different?

Or better yet, does a Christian who engages in bestiality still get into Heaven? How about a homosexual? If you are 'saved', yet remain imperfect and a sinner, are there any sins that can get you denied into Heaven? A murderer who is Christian and repents gets into Heaven, so why not a homosexual?

No sin is unforgivable, and you can become a Christian, repent, and be saved at any point in your life. So, the really big question that lingers for me is; why bother with a list of sins at all? What's the point, if none of them will have any eternal consequences for real Christians, anyway?

KDawg
12-26-2013, 07:53 PM
Left Sock, Robertson is Christian who publicly stated his biblical beliefs and A&E/Disney tried to admonish his character because of that.

This is about his freedom of religious speech and apparently more people agree with him than not, which is good.

bilbo79
12-26-2013, 08:15 PM
This was stapled to the pole beside my place a few days ago. Was this your doing sock? LOL

http://i.imgur.com/8cornfJ.jpg (http://imgur.com/8cornfJ)

The Left Sock
12-26-2013, 08:40 PM
KDawg, I understand and completely agree that this is all about freedom of speech, and Phil did nothing more than express an opinion, which he is entitled to do. I was merely deconstructing the most highly charged claim being made by those who declared his statements offensive, namely that he was equating bestiality to homosexuality, which he clearly was not.

And no, Bilbo, I have not engaged in any public wall-papering campaigns in support of Phil. I did, however, receive a t-shirt for Christmas with Uncle Si on it, and I intend to wear it proudly. Uncle Si rocks, in my humble opinion.

lynys
12-26-2013, 09:09 PM
That was done by a ten year old kid. I caught wind of it in a group I'm in on Facebook. Apparently, the parents are not impressed. ;)

Nihilistic Heathen
12-27-2013, 11:59 AM
I find myself wondering if this was just a very clever marketing ploy to boost Christmas sales.

They know the demographics of who watch the show and buys their merchandise. Add to that the dichotomy of the American public and how they walk lock step with their partisan views, without any real thought. Applying some behavioral economics and social engineering you could pretty much predict and steer the outcome, which is what we are seeing. People are going to "boycott" A&E and support the Robertson's. Those same people show their support for the Robertson's by running out and buying Duck Dynasty merchandise, which is licensed to A&E. Another knee jerk reaction with no real thought. Both the Robertson's and A&E have made millions and the people supporting them have been hoodwinked by their own irrational emotions. By the time the next season ends all will be pretty much forgotten by the general publics short attention plan.

The Left Sock
12-27-2013, 07:54 PM
And this is what they call 'a wrap' in show business!

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/39-duck-dynasty-39-patriarch-resume-filming-despite-230256789.html

Fascinating stuff. Culturally significant, I would say!

Aristotle
12-29-2013, 01:18 PM
you like soap operas, that much is clear.

which is your fave?

The Left Sock
12-29-2013, 07:31 PM
Christian celebrities just won the right to publicly declare what they believe, without having to fear losing their jobs, because of the Robertson stand against A&E.

You want to call that a 'soap opera', knock yourself out. I call it a culturally significant event that restores the balance between opposing camps on the issue of homosexuality.

Homosexuals are gaining the right to marry, and Christians are gaining the right to publicly declare they believe it is a sin. That's real progress.

Sorry you missed the significance of it!

Aristotle
12-29-2013, 09:04 PM
Christians are gaining the right to publicly declare they believe it is a sin. That's real progress.!

They've been doing it since the day Christ arose. In some countries they are not afforded the freedom to express their views; but luckily that is the exception, not the rule.

Christians have been able to express their views on what constitutes a sin in the US since 1787. They've been able to do that in Canada since 1867. In both countries they were able to express such views long before the previously-stated dates, as parts of the British Empire.

The Left Sock
12-29-2013, 09:10 PM
"Christian celebrities just won the right to publicly declare what they believe, without having to fear losing their jobs, because of the Robertson stand against A&E."

This was the actual focal point of my last post. I put the conclusion first, and the supporting premises after, just to mix things up a bit.

dancingqueen
12-30-2013, 02:06 AM
I think it's terrible that they are back on the air.

Official Cat of Soonet
12-30-2013, 01:54 PM
I think it's terrible that they are back on the air.

And what is your reason for that? Are you against duck hunting?

dancingqueen
12-30-2013, 04:11 PM
I just think the show is dumb.... So are many other shows on A&E but they weren't as close to being cut as this show was, kinda a tease...

Official Cat of Soonet
12-30-2013, 05:26 PM
I don't get why it's so big either but there must be something. I liked intervention but other than that I don't like reality shows. Or scripted. Heck I just like sports and movies.

dancingqueen
12-30-2013, 07:53 PM
I just like porn

The Left Sock
12-31-2013, 08:28 PM
Duck Dynasty answers the question that lingers in many American minds; Are there are any 'true' Americans left, and if so, can they find a way to succeed in this technologically advanced, politically correct world?

And the answer is a resounding yes!

There is a romanticism at the heart of Duck Dynasty, that has captured the imaginations of millions of Americans. Anyone who writes this show off as a campy spoof on rednecks is definitely missing the bigger picture.

Aristotle
12-31-2013, 09:15 PM
Duck Dynasty answers the question that lingers in many American minds; Are there are any 'true' Americans left, and if so, can they find a way to succeed in this technologically advanced, politically correct world?

And the answer is a resounding yes!

There is a romanticism at the heart of Duck Dynasty, that has captured the imaginations of millions of Americans. Anyone who writes this show off as a campy spoof on rednecks is definitely missing the bigger picture.

A Canadian obsessed with Duck Dynasty (perhaps because watching reruns of The Beachcombers endlessly for decades can try the patience of even the truest Canadian) opining on what the shows means to, and aboooot, America.

Seriously, folks, you can't make this stuff up! :)

The Left Sock
12-31-2013, 09:32 PM
News flash - non-Americans are your only real hope for untangling the horrific mess you have balled yourselves into.

Ironic, isn't it?

Aristotle
12-31-2013, 09:44 PM
News flash - non-Americans are your only real hope for untangling the horrific mess you have balled yourselves into.

Ironic, isn't it?

by "mess" you mean the most successful country in history?

I can see why you would consider that a "mess", seeing it's a title you will never, ever, EVER have to worry abooot it being a title your fair country will carry :)

Anna Noyance
12-31-2013, 09:57 PM
by "mess" you mean the most successful country in history?

I can see why you would consider that a "mess", seeing it's a title you will never, ever, EVER have to worry abooot it being a title your fair country will carry :)

Dream on!

The Left Sock
01-02-2014, 11:37 AM
Meanwhile, back on topic (sorry to disrupt the derailing effort)....

Disgruntled media sources, not pleased with A&E's decision to 'let it ride' on the Phil Robertson story, have decided to trot out a 3 year-old statement made by Mr. Robertson, referencing marital ages.

Phil mentioned that he thought young men should find wives who were 15 or 16. He said that if young men wait until girls are 20 before getting hitched, they are more likely to get their pockets picked, rather than 'their ducks'. Once again, he was expressing an opinion not uncommon to Southern rural folks, and did qualify his statement by suggesting that parental permission would have to be granted in some cases.

So, is this a horrific travesty of social justice that should have him removed from the airwaves, or is this just another example of one man expressing an opinion? Did he really mean what he said, or was he simply paraphrasing an archaic Louisiana expression?

My question is, why did they wait a couple of years to get ruffled by this? Are they just looking for anything to turn popular opinion against Robertson, or are they just trying to inflict a little more damage, in a losing battle to unseat him?

None of the options seem savory to me.

Barry Morris
01-06-2014, 09:57 PM
I find myself wondering if this was just a very clever marketing ploy to boost Christmas sales.

They know the demographics of who watch the show and buys their merchandise. Add to that the dichotomy of the American public and how they walk lock step with their partisan views, without any real thought. Applying some behavioral economics and social engineering you could pretty much predict and steer the outcome, which is what we are seeing. People are going to "boycott" A&E and support the Robertson's. Those same people show their support for the Robertson's by running out and buying Duck Dynasty merchandise, which is licensed to A&E. Another knee jerk reaction with no real thought. Both the Robertson's and A&E have made millions and the people supporting them have been hoodwinked by their own irrational emotions. By the time the next season ends all will be pretty much forgotten by the general publics short attention plan.

I really hope this analysis will be remembered the next time anybody quotes the secular media re Christian topcs.