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Aristotle
02-09-2014, 07:02 PM
Los Angeles-based Zen master Joshu Sasaki, now 105 years old, allegedly "groped and sexually harassed female students for decades, taking advantage of their loyalty to a famously charismatic roshi, or master," reported the New York Times on Monday.

For many of the hundreds of victims, the meaning of Sasaki's alleged actions — which in some cases included molestation and rape — was blurred by the intensity, focus and intimacy of the training, cloaked in Zen koans and declarations of universal truth.

“He would say something like, ‘True love is giving yourself to everything,'" recalled one of Sasaki's accusers. “It can sound trite, but you’re in this extreme state of consciousness … where boundaries fall away.”

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/belief/sexual-abuse-allegations-buddhist-community

Aristotle
02-09-2014, 07:05 PM
Bhutan's Buddhist monks have long faced rumors of sexual assault, but two young whistle blowers have escaped after enduring abuse and shared their stories with journalists for the first time.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/culture-lifestyle/world-religion/130621/child-abuse-cases-bhutan-buddhist-monks

Aristotle
02-09-2014, 07:09 PM
Pahalagama Somaratana Thera is one of the few Sri Lankan Buddhist monks to have been found guilty of child abuse inside or outside the country.

But if Children's Affairs Minister Tissa Karaliyadda is to be believed, child abuse in religious establishments by both Buddhist and Christian clergy in Sri Lanka is rampant.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15507304

So, it seems we can say that, sadly, abuse of minors happens in some situations where certain people abuse the position of authority they are given. It isn't just a Christian problem, or a Buddhist problem, it's a problem that knows no borders, religion, creed, or race.

So, again, it is ridiculous to try and claim certain stories of abuse damn an entire Church or religion. People who employ intellectual rigor and are not out to score gross and cheap 'points' understand it is a human problem, not a particular problem associated with one institution.

bilbo79
02-09-2014, 09:20 PM
translation: "Yea, we molested a bunch of children and then lied about it and hid from justice but look the Buddhists are doing it too!!!"

So yea, you can say it's cheap points but I don't care. Your organization earned all the ridicule and scorn it gets. Not only was the abuse horrible but the way the church handled some of the allegations was just as shameful.

The Berean
02-09-2014, 10:12 PM
translation: "Yea, we molested a bunch of children and then lied about it and hid from justice but look the Buddhists are doing it too!!!"

So yea, you can say it's cheap points but I don't care. Your organization earned all the ridicule and scorn it gets. Not only was the abuse horrible but the way the church handled some of the allegations was just as shameful.

The coverups and moving priests was the greater crime. Not to mention swearing children to secrecy.

Aristotle
02-10-2014, 08:47 AM
translation: "Yea, we molested a bunch of children and then lied about it and hid from justice but look the Buddhists are doing it too!!!"

So yea, you can say it's cheap points but I don't care. Your organization earned all the ridicule and scorn it gets. Not only was the abuse horrible but the way the church handled some of the allegations was just as shameful.

Your anger is obvious, sorry I struck a nerve by showing perspective.

Aristotle
02-10-2014, 08:47 AM
Not to mention swearing children to secrecy.

Source? Link?

The Berean
02-10-2014, 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by The Berean
Not to mention swearing children to secrecy


Source? Link?

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/another-irish-bishop-admits-demanding-oath-of-secrecy-from-abuse-victims-88832702-237689041.html

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/i-was-sworn-to-secrecy-over-priests-abuse-says-woman-450441.html

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/i-was-sworn-to-secrecy-over-priests-abuse-says-woman-450441.html

http://world.time.com/2012/05/07/sex-abuse-documentary-threatens-to-topple-head-of-irelands-catholic-church/

"Boland was sworn to secrecy about the hearing."


You'd get a lot more respect if you seemed the slightest bit concerned about the coverups. You can post links all day about sinners from all walks of life, but IMO the greater crime is the hiding, the secrecy and the moving of paedophiles from parish to parish, instead of handling the problem.

Aristotle
02-10-2014, 09:29 AM
You'd get a lot more respect if you seemed the slightest bit concerned about the coverups.

I can assure you "respect" form you and your ilk means absolutely nothing to me, It simply doesn't even register on the radar. I know how I feel about the cover-ups, and have discussed as much in other forums. But I will not discuss such things with people who seem to be more interested in scoring cheap points than substantive discussion.

And, like I say, certain people here are only interested in abuse scandals if it involves the RCC. Show that the issue is just as big, if not bigger, in non-Catholic circles, and the discussion comes to an abrupt halt.

Convenient, that.

You can post links all day about sinners from all walks of life, but IMO the greater crime is the hiding, the secrecy and the moving of paedophiles from parish to parish, instead of handling the problem.

Possibly.

Do you feel the same when it occurs in Protestant circles?

The Berean
02-11-2014, 11:46 AM
....Do you feel the same when it occurs in Protestant circles?

I would, if it did.

But there is no huge corrupt hierarchy over all Protestants.

We usually handle things at the local church level. And the offender NEVER gets transferred somewhere else.

IMHO
02-15-2014, 03:55 PM
At 105 he must be using Viagra by now.

Aristotle
02-18-2014, 10:04 AM
We usually handle things at the local church level. And the offender NEVER gets transferred somewhere else.

"When Annie Laurie Gaylor wrote Betrayal of Trust 22 years ago, the pattern in Catholic congregations was to huddle the wagons around accused clergy. She quotes one defense witness who described the abuse as "one drop of ink in crystal clear water." Today, after years of repeated exposure, Catholics are less likely to rally to the side of pedophiles, turning potentially devastating ire and scorn on the victims. To Gaylor, the New York Times stories this week of Eddie Long taking the pulpit amidst standing ovations and catcalls of love is déjà vu. "Some Protestants are where Catholics were 20 years ago," she says. "We have a long ways to go.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/the-protestant-clergy-sex_b_740853.html



"Amy Smith, a SNAP representative in Houston, said the Southern Baptist Convention has a long history of ignoring abuse and enabling perpetrators by “continuing to elevate and place them in public positions of leadership and trust.”

“Predators are master manipulators and use these positions of trust, particularly spiritual trust, to groom kids and gain the trust of parents, preying upon the vulnerable,” Smith said."

http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2013-10/evangelicals-worse-catholics-sexual-abuse

The Berean
02-18-2014, 10:07 AM
Yup, keep on attacking, it's your only way to "win"!!!

This is where the 40,000 denominations BS works against you. No huge hierarchy transferring priests to another unsuspecting parrish, swearing CHILDREN to secrecy!!

Aristotle
02-18-2014, 10:09 AM
"the Southern Baptist Convention has a long history of ignoring abuse and enabling perpetrators by “continuing to elevate and place them in public positions of leadership and trust.”

The Berean
02-18-2014, 10:11 AM
"the Southern Baptist Convention has a long history of ignoring abuse and enabling perpetrators by “continuing to elevate and place them in public positions of leadership and trust.”

40,000 remeber. That's just one group!!

Aristotle
02-18-2014, 10:12 AM
40,000 remeber. That's just one group!!

I do "remeber", and the SBC represents many churches.

That is merely one story. just to show how easy it was to expose your lie

Aristotle
02-18-2014, 10:13 AM
We usually handle things at the local church level. And the offender NEVER gets transferred somewhere else. (notice the word in caps)



"the Southern Baptist Convention has a long history of ignoring abuse and enabling perpetrators by “continuing to elevate and place them in public positions of leadership and trust.”

The Berean
02-18-2014, 10:17 AM
"We usually handle things at the local church level. And the offender NEVER gets transferred somewhere else."

Notice the first part of the comment. Says "We".

Aristotle
02-18-2014, 10:23 AM
Oh, well then I can say that about my local parish.

What's your point (other than you were hoping people wouldn't laugh at the fact you wanted to compare the RCC and its 1.1 billion members to your local church and claim a Pyrrhic victory that is astounding in its laugh-ability, even for the Internet)?

The Berean
02-18-2014, 10:33 AM
Oh, well then I can say that about my local parish.

What's your point (other than you were hoping people wouldn't laugh at the fact you wanted to compare the RCC and its 1.1 billion members to your local church and claim a Pyrrhic victory that is astounding in its laugh-ability, even for the Internet)?

You might say that about the local parish. It wouldn't be entirely true. Your priests are moved around, very often, by the monolith that is the RCC,

The point, of course, is that no where in scripture do we see the huge structure you worship. The local, small, group of believers is the norm, and obviously doesn't lead to as many problems as the RCC has.

Actually, you DO have one advantage. The RCC HAS the millions to pay out to abused children!!

Aristotle
02-18-2014, 02:54 PM
You might say that about the local parish. It wouldn't be entirely true. Your priests are moved around, very often, by the monolith that is the RCC,

No former abusive priests have been moved up here, so my statement is correct. However, your statement may not be correct concerning your church, because Protestantism hides such things.

The point, of course, is that no where in scripture do we see the huge structure you worship.

We worship a structure?

Source? Link?

The local, small, group of believers is the norm, and obviously doesn't lead to as many problems as the RCC has.

So Christianity, as a whole, is a bad thing.

Actually, you DO have one advantage. The RCC HAS the millions to pay out to abused children!!

In the words of Bill Graham's grandson:

“Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” said Tchividjian, a grandson of evangelist Billy Graham and executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which has investigated sex abuse allegations.

Earlier this summer, GRACE spearheaded an online petition decrying the “silence” and “inattention” of evangelical leaders to sexual abuse in their churches.

More:

“The Protestant culture is defined by independence,” Tchividjian said. Evangelicals often frown upon transparency and accountability, he said, as many Protestants rely on Scripture more than religious leaders, compared to Catholics.

Abusers discourage whistle-blowing by condemning gossip to try to keep people from reporting abuse, he said. Victims are also told to protect the reputation of Jesus.

Too many Protestant institutions have sacrificed souls in order to protect their institutions, he said. ”We’ve got the Gospels backwards,” he said.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/protestants-worse-than-catholics-billy-graham-grandson-abuse/

Game.

Set.

Match.

:) :) :)

Aristotle
02-18-2014, 03:09 PM
The local, small, group of believers is the norm, and obviously doesn't lead to as many problems as the RCC has.


looks like "the norm" ain't the norm in Protestantism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_Protestant_churches_in_the_Uni ted_States