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The Left Sock
02-11-2014, 07:11 PM
New scientific study claims that camels were not in domestic use, when the Bible claims they were:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/science/camels-had-no-business-in-genesis.html?ref=science&_r=2

So, does this rattle anyone's firm belief that the Bible is a factual, historically accurate account, written by God, through inspired writers?

Probably not. Commence flailing at the integrity of the carbon-dating process..... now!

The Berean
02-11-2014, 08:25 PM
New scientific study claims that camels were not in domestic use, when the Bible claims they were:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/11/science/camels-had-no-business-in-genesis.html?ref=science&_r=2

So, does this rattle anyone's firm belief that the Bible is a factual, historically accurate account, written by God, through inspired writers?

Probably not. Commence flailing at the integrity of the carbon-dating process..... now!

Why would I do that?? It's not that important.

"“One should be careful not to rush to the conclusion that the new archaeological findings automatically deny any historical value from the biblical stories,” Dr. Mizrahi said in an email. “Rather, they established that these traditions were indeed reformulated in relatively late periods after camels had been integrated into the Near Eastern economic system. But this does not mean that these very traditions cannot capture other details that have an older historical background.”

This sounds much like telling someone you went by car to town, and them not believing you, because you drive a pickup!!!

The Berean
02-11-2014, 08:26 PM
The carbon dating thing is interesting. They have dug up one site, dated the bones, which appear to be from camels that carried loads, and couldn't find any that were older.

And exactly what does this "prove" again??

The Berean
02-11-2014, 08:45 PM
Here's another thought:

"The term "camel" is derived via Latin and Greek (camelus and kamēlos respectively) from Hebrew or Phoenician gāmāl, which has later been transferred to a verb root meaning to bear or carry (in Arabic jamala).[4][5] The Hebrew meaning of the word gāmāl is derived from the verb root g.m.l, meaning (1) stopping, weaning, going without; or (2) repaying in kind. This refers to its ability to go without food or water, as well as the increased ability of service the animal provides when being properly cared for."

Maybe the original word simply meant "to bear or carry", which could have referred to another type of animal.

Bluesky
02-11-2014, 09:56 PM
The first mention of camels is in Gen 12, at a time when Abraham was in Egypt, and there we read:
He treated Abram well for her sake, and Abram acquired sheep and cattle, male and female donkeys, male and female servants, and camels.

So the question is, did domesticated camels exist in Egypt during Abraham's time.

It appears they did exist - http://www.isocard.org/e_Library/Proceedings/Proceedings_1998_Camel%20Conference_UAE/vol_01_23.pdf
ABSTRACT

The proposed time of camel entry into Egypt after its
domestication in Arabia was found between 2500 and 1400 B.C.
Evidences from excavation findings, archaeological records and rock
engravings beginning from prehistoric time till Roman time, in
which camels were certainly known, were reported in this study.
Representative photos, diagrams and tables were used to support the
findings of this study.

Would it be possible for Abraham to move his camel herd to Israel? I don't see why not.
What the cited study might prove is that domesticated camels were rare in Israel. But I am afraid that people are too eager or too quick to pounce on the integrity of the Bible.

The Left Sock
02-11-2014, 10:00 PM
The part I find interesting is the trade routes to Asia. If camels were not used to carry burdens, the trip would have been impossible, as mules and donkeys couldn't make it from oasis to oasis. Camels are the only animals who can make it.

So, it would be really fascinating to figure out how long ago people started using camels, and how that affected interaction between cultures. It literally changed the world!

Bluesky
02-14-2014, 01:33 PM
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/february-web-only/latest-challenge-bible-accuracy-abraham-anachronistic-camel.html

Aristotle
02-17-2014, 03:14 PM
The part I find interesting is the trade routes to Asia. If camels were not used to carry burdens, the trip would have been impossible, as mules and donkeys couldn't make it from oasis to oasis. Camels are the only animals who can make it.



So we can rule out Jesus traveling to Asia.

The Berean
02-17-2014, 07:13 PM
So we can rule out Jesus traveling to Asia.

Late to the party.

Again.

The Left Sock
02-17-2014, 11:57 PM
Posted for the benefit of those who don't bother to read the information in the OP, before getting those gums flapping:

"The archaeologists, Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen, used radiocarbon dating to pinpoint the earliest known domesticated camels in Israel to the last third of the 10th century B.C. —"

I may be mistaken, but Jesus did his thing after the 10th century B.C. - no?

It pays to pay attention!