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Barry Morris
06-12-2015, 08:44 AM
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/dear-duggar-critics-you-can-stop-pretending-to-care-about-the-victims-now

"In other words: Dear victims, You’re liars. You say the media has distorted the truth, but we know better than you what you have suffered, and how you ought to feel about it. You say you have healed; but we say that you do not have the right to heal. You say you have forgiven your brother and love him; but we say that your brother does not have the right to be forgiven or to be loved. You say the exploitation in the tabloids has been more painful than the original abuse: we say you deserve it.

I believe there's a name for that: it's called victim-blaming."

Now do we fully understand media's agenda???

RWGR
06-12-2015, 01:19 PM
What's a Duggar? And why are they victims?

Anapeg
06-12-2015, 05:05 PM
Would the outstanding reason for the angst not be the fact they, the family, circumvented the law. Plain and simple, he was not reported to the authorities, the whole thing in a nut shell.

Barry Morris
06-12-2015, 07:25 PM
Would the outstanding reason for the angst not be the fact they, the family, circumvented the law. Plain and simple, he was not reported to the authorities, the whole thing in a nut shell.

Nope. Wrong.

Nihilistic Heathen
06-12-2015, 07:44 PM
How come it doesn't surprise me Barry see's nothing wrong with a guy molesting a bunch of his sisters and the family sweeping it under the rug.

Barry Morris
06-12-2015, 08:17 PM
How come it doesn't surprise me Barry see's nothing wrong with a guy molesting a bunch of his sisters and the family sweeping it under the rug.

Don't know. Why doesn't it?

Or did you read the whole story, without letting your biases interfere with your sense of justice.

Anapeg
06-12-2015, 08:30 PM
What do you know and the rest of us are missing?

Barry Morris
06-13-2015, 04:40 PM
What do you know and the rest of us are missing?

That the family handled this properly years ago, and that the media is only harassing them for their own profit.

Anapeg
06-13-2015, 05:56 PM
That the family handled this properly years ago, and that the media is only harassing them for their own profit.

We are involved in something similar right now and the police where notified immediately, as they ought to have been done in their instance. The law is there for a reason, circumventing it has been popular in many religions, theirs included or so it would seem. Is being religious and out?

Barry Morris
06-13-2015, 11:55 PM
We are involved in something similar right now and the police where notified immediately, as they ought to have been done in their instance. The law is there for a reason, circumventing it has been popular in many religions, theirs included or so it would seem. Is being religious and out?

Why would religion be an out?? You think we can fool God??

As I understand it, the family DID take care of this instance of a CHILD doing inappropriate things with younger siblings.

And as I see it, this media frenzy shows a belief that, not only do child molesters never change, and should be punished forever, but the VICTIMS can't ever get past the trauma.

Naturally, this profits the media considerably!!!

RWGR
06-14-2015, 10:45 AM
interesting, when taken in context.

and, no, I'm not talking about the story

Barry Morris
06-14-2015, 06:27 PM
interesting, when taken in context.

and, no, I'm not talking about the story

Really??

Care to explain?

RWGR
06-14-2015, 07:39 PM
Really??

Care to explain?

Well, first there was the amoeba. Then came the Beibers, and after that ...

Nihilistic Heathen
06-14-2015, 08:43 PM
Don't know. Why doesn't it?

Or did you read the whole story, without letting your biases interfere with your sense of justice.

Fortunately, my sense of justice doesn't mean circumventing the rule of law based on my personal or religious conviction. No bias involved on my part, only on those who think praying to god and letting him sort it out in the "afterlife" will suffice.

Barry Morris
06-14-2015, 11:04 PM
Fortunately, my sense of justice doesn't mean circumventing the rule of law based on my personal or religious conviction. No bias involved on my part, only on those who think praying to god and letting him sort it out in the "afterlife" will suffice.

Oh.

You didn't read the whole story.

OK.

Nihilistic Heathen
06-15-2015, 04:25 PM
I did read the article, I also read other articles and got the whole story. The family's son molested a bunch of his sisters and a babysitter. The police didn't arrest him and swept it under the rug when they were informed. For counseling he was sent to a construction worker. That is not justice, it's a farce. Unfortunately for the family they live in the public eye. Now that someone opened a closet and revealed a skeleton they don't want the public's attention.

Barry Morris
06-15-2015, 10:38 PM
I did read the article, I also read other articles and got the whole story. The family's son molested a bunch of his sisters and a babysitter. The police didn't arrest him and swept it under the rug when they were informed. For counseling he was sent to a construction worker. That is not justice, it's a farce. Unfortunately for the family they live in the public eye. Now that someone opened a closet and revealed a skeleton they don't want the public's attention.

I guess that shows a different philosophy of life.

One of us wants to punish people forever for their mistakes made at 14 years old, and along with that, doesn't care if the victims get dragged out out again.

One of us want to see a changed person.

Bluesky
06-16-2015, 08:48 AM
I didn't read the story. He was 14 when he molested his sisters?

Barry Morris
06-16-2015, 10:13 AM
I didn't read the story. He was 14 when he molested his sisters?

That's what I read.

Bluesky
06-16-2015, 10:36 AM
Legally, that does put it in a different ball park.
But I am no legal expert. But I would not treat this as I would the average child molester.
I am not aware of anyone under 16 yrs old doing time for this type of behaviour.

Is anyone?

Anapeg
06-16-2015, 10:38 AM
I guess that shows a different philosophy of life.

One of us wants to punish people forever for their mistakes made at 14 years old, and along with that, doesn't care if the victims get dragged out out again.

One of us want to see a changed person.

So you condone circumvention of the law. I do not. This does not make either of us wrong. It does show how some come to hide sex offenders though.

J B
06-16-2015, 10:48 AM
You think we can fool God??

Probably not, well, if such an entity existed.
You've evolved from apes whether you agree or not!
You even look a bit like the guy on the Geico commercial. :) :) :)

Barry Morris
06-16-2015, 10:54 AM
So you condone circumvention of the law. I do not. This does not make either of us wrong. It does show how some come to hide sex offenders though.

How would you apply the law in this case to a 14 year old??

Barry Morris
06-16-2015, 01:48 PM
Probably not, well, if such an entity existed.
You've evolved from apes whether you agree or not!
You even look a bit like the guy on the Geico commercial. :) :) :)

I'm glad you agree that one can not fool God. You may get your chance to try.

Evolved from apes?? Even evolution doesn't teach that.

And then you add an insult.

Somewhere there's a school offering idiocy courses. Those who can get out of their mother's basement can apply.

RWGR
06-16-2015, 04:13 PM
Let me guess: your insult is appropriate, while his is not.

Barry Morris
06-16-2015, 04:48 PM
Let me guess: your insult is appropriate, while his is not.

As usual, more going on than you can see.

Nihilistic Heathen
06-16-2015, 04:56 PM
I guess that shows a different philosophy of life.

One of us wants to punish people forever for their mistakes made at 14 years old, and along with that, doesn't care if the victims get dragged out out again.

One of us want to see a changed person.

It's unfortunate for the victims, but they live in the public eye. Perhaps if the family didn't manage to have the law circumvented the victims wouldn't have to be "re-victimized".

As for punishing him forever, I never said he should be punished forever. Although I seem to recall a recent thread where you said your god would punish child molesters. So by your philosophy I guess he will be facing an eternal(forever) punishment.

All I'm saying is the law should have been followed. The Duggar family are victims of their own doing.

Nihilistic Heathen
06-16-2015, 04:56 PM
How would you apply the law in this case to a 14 year old??

We do have written laws, I'm sure they do in the US too. You apply the law not circumvent it, a pretty simple concept for most to comprehend.

J B
06-16-2015, 04:59 PM
Let me guess: your insult is appropriate, while his is not.

Insult? ..that was a compliment!
Barry was doing the insulting by calling me an idiot.
The Geico man is a real man, he's also a pretty fart smeller!

Barry Morris
06-16-2015, 05:30 PM
We do have written laws, I'm sure they do in the US too. You apply the law not circumvent it, a pretty simple concept for most to comprehend.

Then thank you for the confirmation that we don't crucify a 14 year old for childish errors.

Barry Morris
06-16-2015, 05:32 PM
Insult? ..that was a compliment!
Barry was doing the insulting by calling me an idiot.
The Geico man is a real man, he's also a pretty fart smeller!

Not really, my son. That was just a rephrasing of some words posted by another that no one took note of. Simply a test.

Barry Morris
06-16-2015, 05:34 PM
... Although I seem to recall a recent thread where you said your god would punish child molesters. So by your philosophy I guess he will be facing an eternal(forever) punishment. ....

Thank you once again for showing us your real knowledge of Christian beliefs.

Anapeg
06-16-2015, 06:05 PM
How would you apply the law in this case to a 14 year old??

I am neither judge nor jury. I have no knowledge of the consequences a 14 year old might suffer. The point being, even though you wish to side step it is; the was and still are laws. Laws the Duggers circumvented with the help of the police. Two sets of laws? One for Christians and yet another for the non believers?

Westender 3
06-16-2015, 06:10 PM
Then thank you for the confirmation that we don't crucify a 14 year old for childish errors.

Childish errors? A childish error is breaking window or leaving your bike unlocked. Diddling toddlers repeatedly is a whole lot more than a childish error.

Nihilistic Heathen
06-16-2015, 08:00 PM
Then thank you for the confirmation that we don't crucify a 14 year old for childish errors.

I never said we should crucify anyone, nice strawman. I just think the laws we live by should apply to everyone, including someone whom incestuously molests his younger sisters. I'm not sure what the laws are in their state, but I'm sure they have something similar to us for young offenders.

I also think that if you live in the public eye and a skeleton happens to fall out of your closet you shouldn't be surprised if there is a public backlash.

Nihilistic Heathen
06-16-2015, 08:01 PM
I am neither judge nor jury. I have no knowledge of the consequences a 14 year old might suffer. The point being, even though you wish to side step it is; the was and still are laws. Laws the Duggers circumvented with the help of the police. Two sets of laws? One for Christians and yet another for the non believers?

The officer that gave the boy "a scolding" is serving 56 years for child porn. I'm not sure the exact details other than that. I'm sure Barry see's nothing wrong with that either.

Nihilistic Heathen
06-16-2015, 08:03 PM
Thank you once again for showing us your real knowledge of Christian beliefs.

And thank you for showing your incomprehension of what people are saying.

RWGR
06-17-2015, 09:16 AM
As usual, more going on than you can see.

flag accepted

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 10:00 AM
I am neither judge nor jury. I have no knowledge of the consequences a 14 year old might suffer. The point being, even though you wish to side step it is; the was and still are laws. Laws the Duggers circumvented with the help of the police. Two sets of laws? One for Christians and yet another for the non believers?Not sure what being Christian has to do with it. If Pa Duggar was a politician people would be saying that was the reason. If a rich businessman it would be for that reason.


I haven't paid much attention to this story. If I had my opinion may change but as it sits I find the most disturbing thing to be that we are even hearing about this. Not sure about the US but in Canada we don't name 14 year old offenders publicly. More importantly we sure as heck don't name their victims.

Barry Morris
06-17-2015, 10:03 AM
Not sure what being Christian has to do with it. If Pa Duggar was a politician people would be saying that was the reason. If a rich businessman it would be for that reason.


I haven't paid much attention to this story. If I had my opinion may change but as it sits I find the most disturbing thing to be that we are even hearing about this. Not sure about the US but in Canada we don't name 14 year old offenders publicly. More importantly we sure as heck don't name their victims.

You can see above who cares about that.

Barry Morris
06-17-2015, 10:05 AM
I am neither judge nor jury. I have no knowledge of the consequences a 14 year old might suffer. The point being, even though you wish to side step it is; the was and still are laws. Laws the Duggers circumvented with the help of the police. Two sets of laws? One for Christians and yet another for the non believers?

So you're saying they went to the police, and did what they were advised. Thanks.

Barry Morris
06-17-2015, 10:06 AM
And thank you for showing your incomprehension of what people are saying.

I comprehend more than you say. An interesting study in human nature, again.

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 10:27 AM
...the family sweeping it under the rug.Ok, been reading up on this. The kid did inappropriate things. He didn't get caught but he did confess to his Parents. The Parents took steps to make sure it couldn't happen again. The also got him into counselling. The brought it to the attention of people outside the family including Law Enforcement. I'm just not seeing how this was swept under the rug.


I don't know if they handled it the best way but it does seem they handled it with outside help. Above the rug.

Anapeg
06-17-2015, 11:00 AM
So you're saying they went to the police, and did what they were advised. Thanks.

By a cop who was later charged with pedophilia. The cop was aiding and abetting. Somewhat of a comedy of errors minus the comedy. There are/were laws, they circumvented the laws with the aid of a pervert. A scenario sir, my 14 year old son violates your much younger daughter. Will you send him home with a stern taking to? Or might you involve the authorities? Don't shuffle, answer definitively.

Westender 3
06-17-2015, 11:05 AM
Not sure what being Christian has to do with it. If Pa Duggar was a politician people would be saying that was the reason. If a rich businessman it would be for that reason.


I haven't paid much attention to this story. If I had my opinion may change but as it sits I find the most disturbing thing to be that we are even hearing about this. Not sure about the US but in Canada we don't name 14 year old offenders publicly. More importantly we sure as heck don't name their victims.

All the minors names were redacted in the police report. Josh Diddler confessed in a Facebook post and subsequently resigned from the (FRC) Fascist Research Council. The girls names were outed in the Fox News interviews with the parents and daughters.

Barry Morris
06-17-2015, 11:17 AM
By a cop who was later charged with pedophilia. The cop was aiding and abetting. Somewhat of a comedy of errors minus the comedy. There are/were laws, they circumvented the laws with the aid of a pervert. A scenario sir, my 14 year old son violates your much younger daughter. Will you send him home with a stern taking to? Or might you involve the authorities? Don't shuffle, answer definitively.

He's 14 years old. Do I want his life totally ruined by the likes of these greedy, heartless media money grubbers???

They reported to the police. It was their intent to do the right thing. What the cop was up to has no bearing on their actions.

What is happening now profits only the media.

Barry Morris
06-17-2015, 11:18 AM
All the minors names were redacted in the police report. Josh Diddler confessed in a Facebook post and subsequently resigned from the (FRC) Fascist Research Council. The girls names were outed in the Fox News interviews with the parents and daughters.

If Canadian media did this, I wonder what would happen.

Didn't I read about some other famous person being involved in the same type of thing just recently?? Who is being ignored??

official soonet pu$$ycat
06-17-2015, 11:20 AM
I'm sure, right or wrong, a lot of parents would have dealt with it the way they did.

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 11:28 AM
All the minors names were redacted in the police report.Ok, that's good to know. Unfortunately when things like the following are reported does it really matter if the names were redacted?


On Wednesday, In Touch magazine — the same source that published the police report that brought the claims of molestation against Josh (http://www.bustle.com/articles/85082-josh-duggar-responds-to-claims-of-sexual-abuse-says-he-acted-inexcusably) to the public’s attention nearly two weeks ago — obtained another police report that supposedly reveals that Josh admitted to molesting several of his sisters (http://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/josh-duggar-reportedly-confessed-three-times-to-molesting-hi#.ivYoBB3nz), but the report has the names of the victims redacted.

Westender 3
06-17-2015, 11:29 AM
He's 14 years old. Do I want his life totally ruined by the likes of these greedy, heartless media money grubbers???

They reported to the police. It was their intent to do the right thing. What the cop was up to has no bearing on their actions.

What is happening now profits only the media.

The Police report was from 2006. Diddler was 18 at the time, legal age for FOIR. Why did it take Jimbob four years to go to the police. The coverup failed and the diddling continued.

Westender 3
06-17-2015, 11:30 AM
So you're saying they went to the police, and did what they were advised. Thanks.

Four years after the fact.

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 11:35 AM
The Police report was from 2006. Diddler was 18 at the time, legal age for FOIR. Why did it take Jimbob four years to go to the police. The coverup failed and the diddling continued.I thought it all happened when he was 14. You're saying it was still occurring years later? That changes things big time.


What's your source for that?

Westender 3
06-17-2015, 11:43 AM
I thought it all happened when he was 14. You're saying it was still occurring years later? That changes things big time.


What's your source for that?

Jimbob went to the Police 4 years after the incidents. You don't think there's a reason why 4 years later he finally had to go to the police, like a continued pattern of "childish errors"

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 11:52 AM
Heck. I didn't even realize he went to the Police 4 years later. I can't find anything saying he did actually.

Anapeg
06-17-2015, 12:03 PM
He's 14 years old. Do I want his life totally ruined by the likes of these greedy, heartless media money grubbers???

They reported to the police. It was their intent to do the right thing. What the cop was up to has no bearing on their actions.

What is happening now profits only the media.

I noticed you sidestepped my scenario nicely. No answer would tell me you would be in a quandary as to weather call the authorities or kill him on the spot. Thank you.

Westender 3
06-17-2015, 12:43 PM
Heck. I didn't even realize he went to the Police 4 years later. I can't find anything saying he did actually.

Police report, 12-07-2006

http://imgur.com/a/uePgT#0

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 01:17 PM
Yes, I know there was a report in '06. You're the first to contradict the story on what led to a report at that time though.


You say the Father went to the Police at that time where as all other reports say differently. You even presume to know the reason the father decided to go to them 4 years later when I find no other sources saying the 'diddling continued'.

Westender 3
06-17-2015, 01:40 PM
Yes, I know there was a report in '06. You're the first to contradict the story on what led to a report at that time though.


You say the Father went to the Police at that time where as all other reports say differently. You even presume to know the reason the father decided to go to them 4 years later when I find no other sources saying the 'diddling continued'.

What other reports. The only law enforcement Jimbob talked to before 2006 was the pedophile cop, during the coverup. Even he's contradicting Jimbobs fables.

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 04:06 PM
Like I said, haven't been following this one too close so maybe I'm missing something. However, there are many references to an cancelled Oprah appearance in '06 and that people from Oprah's show alerted authorities which led to the Police contacting the family in 2006 which resulted in that report.


That's quite a bit different than the idea that Pa Duggar contacted Police in '06 due to continued 'diddling'.

Barry Morris
06-17-2015, 04:07 PM
I noticed you sidestepped my scenario nicely. No answer would tell me you would be in a quandary as to weather call the authorities or kill him on the spot. Thank you.

So don't ask leading questions!!! :) :) :)

BFLPE
06-17-2015, 04:08 PM
http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/05/22/duggar-oprah-winfrey-interview-cancelled-molestation-sisters/

Nihilistic Heathen
06-17-2015, 09:10 PM
I comprehend more than you say. An interesting study in human nature, again.

That's the problem, you add your own thoughts and think that is what other people are saying missing their point completely.

Barry Morris
06-17-2015, 11:03 PM
That's the problem, you add your own thoughts and think that is what other people are saying missing their point completely.

We'll agree to disagree.

BFLPE
08-23-2015, 10:36 AM
After the scandalous leak of the Ashley Madison data on the internet, the marriages of many couples will never be the same again, including those of TV personalities like Josh Duggar...

"I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have been unfaithful to my wife. I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living...

"In my heart I had allowed Satan to build a fortress that no one knew about."http://www.christianpost.com/news/josh-duggar-issued-apology-following-ashley-madison-account-reveal-several-revisions-made-143451/

RWGR
08-23-2015, 11:02 AM
Another charlatan goes down