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Lance1
08-20-2015, 11:24 AM
You hear on the news of these thousands of immigrants trying to sneak across the channel from France to Britain. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-207129/UK-immigration-teams-French-ports.html .

What I do not get is both France and Britain are a first world country so why bother going any further than France? If you can't make a life in France then how will Britain be any better or for that matter Germany where they have no channel crossing to deal with.
Is Britain some kind of paradise vs mainland Europe?
Is English just a easier language to learn then , French,Dutch,Spanish,Swiss or German?

RWGR
08-20-2015, 11:48 AM
Good question.

Maybe Britain has a more pliable welfare system.

And, English is the lingua franca of the world, so maybe that has something to do with it, too.

Lance1
08-20-2015, 12:35 PM
Maybe, but to get on welfare (In Canada) you usually have to prove your a citizen and have a address. Unless Britain just does not care or has no rules and the rest of Europe does.

My neighbour went to both London and Paris and thought Paris was a much nicer city.

Hans
08-22-2015, 07:08 PM
It has nothing to do with better. Each member country of the EU has a yearly quote of refugees they have to take in. Anything after that is up to the country.
What they are doing is going from country to country to find one that still has a quota left, so they are almost guaranteed to be accepted.

It is a stupid system that causes a lot of displacement.
I personally would throw all the illegal ones out, followed by all the "refugees".

Lance1
08-23-2015, 03:02 AM
Ok, I did not know there was a quota.

RWGR
08-23-2015, 11:10 AM
Up to 1,000 protesters have clashed with police in eastern Germany in riots reportedly sparked by the arrival of 250 migrants.

Police said protesters shouting "foreigners out" and carrying banners against the "asylum flood" threw bottles and stones at busloads of asylum seekers arriving in Heidenau, near Dresden.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dresden-riots-protesters-in-germany-attack-refugee-buses-shouting-foreigners-out-10467287.html

Lance1
08-24-2015, 09:39 AM
Germany seems to be the #1 final destination target. http://www.dw.com/en/in-germany-scrambling-to-accommodate-ever-more-refugees/a-18655893

The increase, the newspaper "Handelsblatt" writes, will be "dramatically" higher than the initial forecast of 450,000 refugees: Some 650,000 people, maybe even as many as 750,000, are estimated to seek asylum in Germany this year.
Its almost a invasion. Thank god for the Atlantic Ocean what a mess over there. Never knew things were that bad.

Hans
08-24-2015, 08:18 PM
This is why they should have left the Berlin wall and the iron curtain intact. Just look at what happened in the years after.

RWGR
08-25-2015, 12:55 PM
Freedom. Economic growth. All bad things like that.

Hans
08-25-2015, 10:44 PM
You must have a short memory.

How about all the jobs lost in the West because companies moved East where land, tax and labor are cheaper?
How about the huge influx of people from the East seeking a better life, causing a huge drain on the Western welfare system?
How about the increase in crime in the East, due to the major changes in living in the former East?
And last but no least the overall poverty due to the disappearance of the Communist model and people being left with virtually no future income, pensions wiped out or drastically reduced, etc...

So much better now, just go take a look.

RWGR
08-26-2015, 12:37 PM
You must have a short memory.

How about all the jobs lost in the West because companies moved East where land, tax and labor are cheaper?
How about the huge influx of people from the East seeking a better life, causing a huge drain on the Western welfare system?
How about the increase in crime in the East, due to the major changes in living in the former East?
And last but no least the overall poverty due to the disappearance of the Communist model and people being left with virtually no future income, pensions wiped out or drastically reduced, etc...

So much better now, just go take a look.

source?? link??

Hans
08-26-2015, 03:51 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-11-07/did-the-fall-of-the-berlin-wall-hurt-economic-growth

RWGR
08-26-2015, 06:22 PM
oooops, you didn't read the end:

Even so, for all the economic problems of Eastern Europe and Central Asia today, it would be a ludicrous obscenity to suggest reviving the communist model of the former USSR. That’s because of the immense human cost it carried: the millions who died in Stalin’s purges and famines, the gulags and the security states, the denial of basic rights and freedoms. GDP growth rates alone are an incredibly partial measure of human progress. That’s why, for all the failed reforms and failures of reform, there is no going back.


:) :) :)

You lose

RWGR
08-26-2015, 06:24 PM
And there's this, from the same site you linked to:

http://www.businessweek.com/interactive/2014-legacy-of-the-wall/

The Berlin Wall fell on Nov. 9, 1989, triggering a series of events that ultimately ended with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in late 1991. The legacy of Communism in Eastern Europe has been much harder to dismantle. Corruption and autocratic rule continue to dog most of the nations of the former Soviet Union and its satellites in the Warsaw Pact. East Germans were lucky: They were absorbed into rich, powerful West Germany.


You lose...again!! :) :) :)

Hans
08-26-2015, 10:56 PM
All I said was the results were not good, and that it would have been better to leave it like it was before it fell.
That is not the same as advocating we should go back to Stalinist times.
Perestroika could have been a better solution than the fall of the wall and the curtain. It would have kept a better balance than the current system.

RWGR
08-30-2015, 10:18 AM
It fell because it was an unsustainable system.

No one wants an unsustainable system.

Anapeg
08-30-2015, 11:26 AM
It seems to me people are trying to escape what they have created yet wish to bring it with them to the new home. If it did not work well in their homeland it will not work well anywhere else.

Hans
08-30-2015, 05:53 PM
It fell because it was an unsustainable system.

No one wants an unsustainable system.

China is based on that same system. So are you stating China will fall? If that is the case, so will the world economy. 2008 will be nothing compared to China "falling".

Hans
08-30-2015, 05:56 PM
It seems to me people are trying to escape what they have created yet wish to bring it with them to the new home. If it did not work well in their homeland it will not work well anywhere else.

That is a point of opinion. It did work well, but slowly crumbled down due to missing a strong no nonsense leader.
The former USSR was on the forefront of the space race, they definitely had the largest most powerful army towards the end of WWII.
Chenobyl was what killed it off in the end.