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Bluesky
09-27-2015, 09:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=Hx-p9Wr6xg0

Hans
09-27-2015, 10:30 PM
I see you are still on your crusade against porn.
If you look at history, you will notice crusades never worked.
We should learn from history, not studies.

Barry Morris
09-28-2015, 12:43 AM
Han's, you didn't learn that from history.

Anapeg
09-28-2015, 10:37 AM
Han's, you didn't learn that from history.

If not history, then what?

Barry Morris
09-28-2015, 11:19 AM
If not history, then what?

His own bias.

Certainly the word crusade is best known in the vernacular as describing the Crusades of centuries ago. But there is a broader definition:

"any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.:"

I'm very sure Blue knows the problems in so many peoples lives caused by addiction to many things, including pornography. One might characterize his attitudes towards it as negative, but to call a single post a crusade is silly.

And I guess Hans doesn't want to address the issue.

riggs
09-28-2015, 12:46 PM
His own bias.

Certainly the word crusade is best known in the vernacular as describing the Crusades of centuries ago. But there is a broader definition:

"any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.:"

I'm very sure Blue knows the problems in so many peoples lives caused by addiction to many things, including pornography. One might characterize his attitudes towards it as negative, but to call a single post a crusade is silly.

And I guess he doesn't want to address the issue.

Perhaps your memory fails you, but this is one of many threads started by Blue on the topic of pornography. Now whether or not I would call it a crusade, is questionable.

Barry Morris
09-28-2015, 01:16 PM
Perhaps your memory fails you, but this is one of many threads started by Blue on the topic of pornography. Now whether or not I would call it a crusade, is questionable.

Many would be every day, even every week. But it hasn't happened even every month.

But back to the issue. Maybe those addicted just don't want to talk about it.

I will note one thing. Lots of Christians want to talk about and condemn pornography. Very, very few will talk about sex, and IMO, there would be less problems with porn if they did.

Bluesky
09-28-2015, 02:20 PM
I see you are still on your crusade against porn.
If you look at history, you will notice crusades never worked.
We should learn from history, not studies.

You will not shut me up unless you abuse your moderator powers...

Anapeg
09-28-2015, 04:14 PM
His own bias.

Certainly the word crusade is best known in the vernacular as describing the Crusades of centuries ago. But there is a broader definition:

"any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.:"

I'm very sure Blue knows the problems in so many peoples lives caused by addiction to many things, including pornography. One might characterize his attitudes towards it as negative, but to call a single post a crusade is silly.

And I guess Hans doesn't want to address the issue.

I see your point. Now, how does one get branded "addicted to pornography"? Once a week, twice, thrice? Is pornography not a sort of release for some? Might it not be the one thing that stops some from violating another person? Interesting conversation for those adult enough to keep their personal prejudices at bay, no? My expertise starts and ends with magazines as a teen and some very mild stuff as a younger man so no help from this quarter.

Anapeg
09-28-2015, 08:47 PM
**crickets** No takers?

riggs
09-28-2015, 09:00 PM
**crickets** No takers?

Is it like any other addiction where one loses the ability to choose?

Anapeg
09-28-2015, 09:12 PM
Is it like any other addiction where one loses the ability to choose?

Am I simply naive or is anyone else unable to fathom the inability of skipping porn for a week or two? Heroin, understandable, cocaine, certainly but porn? This is not unlike not being able to skip Facebook, is it not?

riggs
09-28-2015, 10:11 PM
Am I simply naive or is anyone else unable to fathom the inability of skipping porn for a week or two? Heroin, understandable, cocaine, certainly but porn? This is not unlike not being able to skip Facebook, is it not?

I don't know about porn, but rest assured I do know people who risk being disciplined to check in on their FB at work. Is that considered an addiction? I don't know.

Hans
09-28-2015, 10:51 PM
You will not shut me up unless you abuse your moderator powers...

I have no intention of shutting you up.
All I want to do is point out you are wasting your time on that subject.
Porn has been around as long as civilization has been around.
I am afraid you are trying to drain the sea with a bucket.

Hans
09-28-2015, 10:53 PM
His own bias.

Certainly the word crusade is best known in the vernacular as describing the Crusades of centuries ago. But there is a broader definition:

"any vigorous, aggressive movement for the defense or advancement of an idea, cause, etc.:"

I'm very sure Blue knows the problems in so many peoples lives caused by addiction to many things, including pornography. One might characterize his attitudes towards it as negative, but to call a single post a crusade is silly.

And I guess Hans doesn't want to address the issue.

Address what issue?

Barry Morris
09-28-2015, 11:06 PM
I have no intention of shutting you up.
All I want to do is point out you are wasting your time on that subject.
Porn has been around as long as civilization has been around.
I am afraid you are trying to drain the sea with a bucket.


Address what issue?

Porn.

As far as human sin is concerned, yes indeed, it will always be with us.

But that doesn't mean we should quit trying to lift up that one needy soul from a life damaging obsession.

Hans
09-28-2015, 11:10 PM
You lifting up one person could mean damaging the enjoyment of 1,000 others.
Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

Barry Morris
09-28-2015, 11:12 PM
You lifting up one person could mean damaging the enjoyment of 1,000 others.
Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

You have got to be kidding me.

That's like saying getting one alcoholic off the bottle will put the beer store out of business!!!

And if you consider porn a need, brother!!!

Hans
09-28-2015, 11:14 PM
Do you know how many people the porn industry employs?

Barry Morris
09-28-2015, 11:18 PM
Do you know how many people the porn industry employs?

Lots.

Do you know how many regret ever getting involved??

Hans
09-28-2015, 11:20 PM
Tell me how many are involved versus regret.

IMHO
09-29-2015, 08:38 AM
Watching porn is an option....no one is forced to watch....many derive pleasure from viewing it. I fail to see where it is a concern.

Bluesky
09-29-2015, 09:02 AM
I have no intention of shutting you up.
All I want to do is point out you are wasting your time on that subject.
Porn has been around as long as civilization has been around.
I am afraid you are trying to drain the sea with a bucket.

Sometimes I do things just because its the right thing to do; not because of a particular efficacy.
Is it a waste of time? Not to me. It's never a waste of time to do the right thing.

Barry Morris
09-29-2015, 09:17 AM
Watching porn is an option....no one is forced to watch....many derive pleasure from viewing it. I fail to see where it is a concern.

And many performers, especially women, are physically and emotionally damaged by it. What about them?

IMHO
09-29-2015, 10:06 AM
And many performers, especially women, are physically and emotionally damaged by it. What about them?

THEY HAD A CHOICE......dress or undress...no one ripped their clothes off.

Barry Morris
09-29-2015, 10:48 AM
THEY HAD A CHOICE......dress or undress...no one ripped their clothes off.

Seems to me that is the case with many things that society deems undesirable. And laws are passed.

Anapeg
09-29-2015, 11:21 AM
Seems to me that is the case with many things that society deems undesirable. And laws are passed.

We have laws on the books now for victim-less crimes and they do nothing to stall the sex industry. Is more of the same truly the answer? I think not. Add to this porn is such that police would have to "spy" on people in general simply to be aware of those partaking and then entre a private residence and inform the homeowner he can't do what he is doing. How will that go over? Police forces earmark millions if not billions in North America alone to fight smut and it gets us nowhere. Perhaps taking a page from some European countries by taxing the Hell out of it and having government inspections and standard for health then relegate the houses of ill repute in back water streets might work. Make printed matter less offensive to the religious public by placing bland covers on their rags and hide them as we do cigarettes.

IMHO
09-29-2015, 01:25 PM
Porn has as much chance of being eliminated...even curbed...that prostitutes have...ZERO.

Hans
09-29-2015, 11:20 PM
Seems to me that is the case with many things that society deems undesirable. And laws are passed.

I don't see society deeming porn undesirable.
Otherwise it would not be as popular as it is today.

Hans
09-29-2015, 11:22 PM
Sometimes I do things just because its the right thing to do; not because of a particular efficacy.
Is it a waste of time? Not to me. It's never a waste of time to do the right thing.

You could be using that time to help a refugee from Syria. Would that not be less of a waste of time?

Barry Morris
09-29-2015, 11:43 PM
I don't see society deeming porn undesirable.
Otherwise it would not be as popular as it is today.

Like cocaine, heroin, meth etc??

Barry Morris
09-29-2015, 11:45 PM
Porn has as much chance of being eliminated...even curbed...that prostitutes have...ZERO.

I don't think Blue was intending to try to legislate morality, which is clearly impossible.

His intent was to help individuals who want to escape the trap.

RWGR
09-30-2015, 02:05 PM
Porn has been around as long as civilization has been around.
.

Not sure I get this one.

What were cavemen doing, painting pictures of naked women on their walls?

Porn can take the place of a real relationship, and ultimately, real love. The problem, especially today, is that it is so available. It's everywhere. And because of that, it's taking the place of real relationships and real love everywhere.

The struggle is unique to our time, inasmuch as it has never been this proliferate to all people. Heck, when I was a kid we might have been able to sneak a peak at a Playboy at some store. Today, kids can call up as much porn as they want on their phones. And if porn is truly an addiction, then we've made it way more accessible than any other addictive material in our society; yes, even more so than alcohol. At least with alcohol you have to be a certain age to get it; that doesn't mean minors do not get it, but at least there is some form of barrier in place.

Anapeg
09-30-2015, 02:49 PM
I don't know about porn, but rest assured I do know people who risk being disciplined to check in on their FB at work. Is that considered an addiction? I don't know.

Me either and hence my queries. There has been no takers to questions put by both you and I, therefore no answers.

Anapeg
09-30-2015, 02:52 PM
Watching porn is an option....no one is forced to watch....many derive pleasure from viewing it. I fail to see where it is a concern.

Or phrased otherwise, [using drugs is an option...no one is forced to partake...many derive pleasure from using them. I fail to see where it is a concern].

Anapeg
09-30-2015, 02:53 PM
Not sure I get this one.

What were cavemen doing, painting pictures of naked women on their walls?

Porn can take the place of a real relationship, and ultimately, real love. The problem, especially today, is that it is so available. It's everywhere. And because of that, it's taking the place of real relationships and real love everywhere.

The struggle is unique to our time, inasmuch as it has never been this proliferate to all people. Heck, when I was a kid we might have been able to sneak a peak at a Playboy at some store. Today, kids can call up as much porn as they want on their phones. And if porn is truly an addiction, then we've made it way more accessible than any other addictive material in our society; yes, even more so than alcohol. At least with alcohol you have to be a certain age to get it; that doesn't mean minors do not get it, but at least there is some form of barrier in place.

The question remains, how does one define "addicted"?

RWGR
09-30-2015, 04:21 PM
The question remains, how does one define "addicted"?

When the thing you are addicted to takes the place of something else. This can be good or bad.

I once loved to eat pizza; now I eat fruits and veggies in its place all the time, so addicted am I to fruits and veggies.

But, it can be negative, too.

I once devoted many hours to the local soup kitchen, but since have found out the wonders of sitting around in my underwear with a bag of Doritos and watching football, and do that all the time instead of helping out at the soup kitchen.

So, many people could say they once had solid relationships, but have since given those up for the false gratification of porn, where it is much easier to turn a specific object of your desires into a false reality. For example, someone addicted to porn will see the worth of a woman in the size of her breasts, or her particular skills at oral sex; what she has deep in her soul (who she really is) is replaced by a false idol.

Anapeg
09-30-2015, 07:32 PM
When the thing you are addicted to takes the place of something else. This can be good or bad.

I once loved to eat pizza; now I eat fruits and veggies in its place all the time, so addicted am I to fruits and veggies.

But, it can be negative, too.

I once devoted many hours to the local soup kitchen, but since have found out the wonders of sitting around in my underwear with a bag of Doritos and watching football, and do that all the time instead of helping out at the soup kitchen.

So, many people could say they once had solid relationships, but have since given those up for the false gratification of porn, where it is much easier to turn a specific object of your desires into a false reality. For example, someone addicted to porn will see the worth of a woman in the size of her breasts, or her particular skills at oral sex; what she has deep in her soul (who she really is) is replaced by a false idol.

Interesting take and worth discussion. I was looking at "addicted" as the time spent in a specific exercise. Heroin, cocaine etc. run you life 24/7 unlike porn is for a more specific time period. Your view of an addicted individual comes from a mano e mano relationship, in it's truest sense of the phrase, or perhaps lament their loss in a one on one relationship?

RWGR
09-30-2015, 08:07 PM
Yes, I think that's fair.

It's different from your comparisons to being strung out on heroin or coke in that it would be much more difficult to spot someone 'strung out' on porn than someone strung out on heroin. The heroin addict shows physical signs because obviously his form of addiction is physical in nature. The porn addict's form of addiction does its damage on the inside; the soul, or conscience if you'd like.

A physiological addiction v a psychological addiction. Each one will manifest itself in a certain way unique only to itself.

Anapeg
09-30-2015, 10:35 PM
Yes, I think that's fair.

It's different from your comparisons to being strung out on heroin or coke in that it would be much more difficult to spot someone 'strung out' on porn than someone strung out on heroin. The heroin addict shows physical signs because obviously his form of addiction is physical in nature. The porn addict's form of addiction does its damage on the inside; the soul, or conscience if you'd like.

A physiological addiction v a psychological addiction. Each one will manifest itself in a certain way unique only to itself.

Cause for thought, thank you. I can see and understand your stance. Were they to walk around with whackers cramp, then, we would have a yard stick to judge them by.

Hans
09-30-2015, 11:16 PM
Not sure I get this one.

What were cavemen doing, painting pictures of naked women on their walls?

Porn can take the place of a real relationship, and ultimately, real love. The problem, especially today, is that it is so available. It's everywhere. And because of that, it's taking the place of real relationships and real love everywhere.

The struggle is unique to our time, inasmuch as it has never been this proliferate to all people. Heck, when I was a kid we might have been able to sneak a peak at a Playboy at some store. Today, kids can call up as much porn as they want on their phones. And if porn is truly an addiction, then we've made it way more accessible than any other addictive material in our society; yes, even more so than alcohol. At least with alcohol you have to be a certain age to get it; that doesn't mean minors do not get it, but at least there is some form of barrier in place.

The problem is kids should not have phones to begin with.
It is interesting to see you, and others, continuously compare porn taking the place of a real relationship.
What if it takes the place of another addiction? Why does it have to take the place of a real relationship?

Barry Morris
10-17-2015, 12:55 PM
Hans, you obviously have no children.

IMHO
10-17-2015, 05:37 PM
A phone for young people is a safety assist for them. That phone could save a life.

Hans
10-17-2015, 05:45 PM
Hans, you obviously have no children.

I have 2 children, although I fail to see what that has to do with this discussion.

RWGR
10-17-2015, 06:10 PM
The problem is kids should not have phones to begin with.
It is interesting to see you, and others, continuously compare porn taking the place of a real relationship.
What if it takes the place of another addiction? Why does it have to take the place of a real relationship?

I guess you could see one addiction replacing another addiction as a net positive, but that doesn't negate the fact there is still as addiction to live with.

It takes the place of a real relationship because it does one of two things: redefines the current relationship you're in; or, truly acts as a substitute to a real relationship if you're not in one.

Hans
10-17-2015, 07:42 PM
So just two things, that is it?

Barry Morris
10-17-2015, 07:46 PM
I have 2 children, although I fail to see what that has to do with this discussion.

Pardon me, someone else must have mentioned something about kids.

Barry Morris
10-17-2015, 07:47 PM
So just two things, that is it?

If one wrecks your relationship with your wife, then one is enough.

Hans
10-18-2015, 01:41 AM
Wrecks it how?

Anapeg
10-18-2015, 12:32 PM
Wrecks it how?

I personally know of two marriages torn asunder as it were by porn. One survived (shakily) but the one ended in separation and divorce. Some people, especially woman see this as yet another form of "cheating". You are showing them they lack what it takes to hold your interest and seek outside stimulation.

RWGR
10-18-2015, 12:52 PM
Pardon me, someone else must have mentioned something about kids.

yes, this guy:


Hans, you obviously have no children.

IMHO
10-18-2015, 02:08 PM
I personally know of two marriages torn asunder as it were by porn. One survived (shakily) but the one ended in separation and divorce. Some people, especially woman see this as yet another form of "cheating". You are showing them they lack what it takes to hold your interest and seek outside stimulation.

Further to that...PLAYBOY just announced it will no longer print naked pics of their women in their magazine. The internet with all its porn sites has taken over the market share. Who would have thought eh?

Barry Morris
10-18-2015, 07:09 PM
yes, this guy:

You should read all the posts once in a while. The correct answer has these words. "The problem is kids should not have phones to begin with."

Bluesky
10-18-2015, 07:36 PM
I personally know of two marriages torn asunder as it were by porn. One survived (shakily) but the one ended in separation and divorce. Some people, especially woman see this as yet another form of "cheating". You are showing them they lack what it takes to hold your interest and seek outside stimulation.

Bingo. That's what I am talking about.

Hans
10-19-2015, 12:03 AM
Ah, I see. Well, that is what you get for not letting your wife know what you do on the internet.
For me, I don't have that problem.

Hans
10-19-2015, 12:04 AM
You should read all the posts once in a while. The correct answer has these words. "The problem is kids should not have phones to begin with."

And neither of my kids has a phone. Your point is?

Ultra54
10-31-2015, 01:04 PM
Thanks for posting that video. I found it interesting and I'm happy he got out.

Official Cat of Soonet
10-31-2015, 02:50 PM
Why shouldn't kids have phones? It's up to the parents.

Hans
11-01-2015, 12:07 AM
Why shouldn't kids have phones? It's up to the parents.

What did kids do when there were no phones?
They don't need phones.

Official Cat of Soonet
11-01-2015, 12:27 AM
What did kids do when there were no phones?
They don't need phones.

Nobody said they need phones. So kids should only have things they need?

Anapeg
11-01-2015, 12:45 AM
What did kids do when there were no phones?
They don't need phones.

There weren't as many wankers out in public years ago. All my grands minus the three under 6 have cells. I want to know They can reach an adult 24/7. Beats Hell out of having visit them in hospital or worse, bury one of them.

Barry Morris
11-01-2015, 01:04 AM
Nobody said they need phones. So kids should only have things they need?

After all, dad's need hot rods!!!

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 01:11 AM
After all, dad's need hot rods!!!

Exactly.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 01:12 AM
i5 2500K at 4.9 Ghz, H100, OCZ Vertex 4 256 GB, Corsair M4 256 GB, 2 x ASUS R9 270X DC2, 2 x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3, Corsair 600T, Samsung 2443BW, Asus PB278Q 2560x1440

Hans do you NEED all that? I get by just fine with a phone.

Hans
11-01-2015, 03:35 PM
There weren't as many wankers out in public years ago. All my grands minus the three under 6 have cells. I want to know They can reach an adult 24/7. Beats Hell out of having visit them in hospital or worse, bury one of them.

Look at the context, than talk again.
"Today, kids can call up as much porn as they want on their phones."

So what is better, porn for minors or no phones for kids?

Hans
11-01-2015, 03:36 PM
i5 2500K at 4.9 Ghz, H100, OCZ Vertex 4 256 GB, Corsair M4 256 GB, 2 x ASUS R9 270X DC2, 2 x 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3, Corsair 600T, Samsung 2443BW, Asus PB278Q 2560x1440

Hans do you NEED all that? I get by just fine with a phone.

Yes, I need all that and more. You probably don't even know what half of that is anyways.

Hans
11-01-2015, 03:36 PM
After all, dad's need hot rods!!!

I don't have hot rods.

Barry Morris
11-01-2015, 04:22 PM
I don't have hot rods.

Yes, you've told us all about your low end, four door plain jane. :) :) :)

Anapeg
11-01-2015, 06:18 PM
Look at the context, than talk again.
"Today, kids can call up as much porn as they want on their phones."

So what is better, porn for minors or no phones for kids?

This, dear Hans, is why we have net nanny on their phones for just such purposes. One would assume you of all people would be aware of these baby sitters with your extensive computer background.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:04 PM
Yes, I need all that and more. You probably don't even know what half of that is anyways.

But we didn't have that in the 80's. You survived them didn't you.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:05 PM
This, dear Hans, is why we have net nanny on their phones for just such purposes. One would assume you of all people would be aware of these baby sitters with your extensive computer background.

This? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.contentwatch.ghoti.cp.browser&hl=en

I find it amazing you rely on a program to ensure your kids are browsing "safe".
2.5/5 score is not good.
But keep thinking they are "safe".

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:06 PM
But we didn't have that in the 80's. You survived them didn't you.

There were many things we did not have in the 80's. Should we throw all those out?

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:06 PM
Look at the context, than talk again.
"Today, kids can call up as much porn as they want on their phones."

So what is better, porn for minors or no phones for kids?

I would say porn for minors.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:07 PM
What did kids do when there were no phones?
They don't need phones.


There were many things we did not have in the 80's. Should we throw all those out?

Make up your mind.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:08 PM
Make up your mind.

I did. Kids do not need phones.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:09 PM
I did. Kids do not need phones.

Just like you don't need all that crap in your signature but it's there so lets use it.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:11 PM
Just like you don't need all that crap in your signature but it's there so lets use it.

Like I said before, you assume I do not need the items listed in my signature. I actually have way more than what is listed.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:12 PM
Like I said before, you assume I do not need the items listed in my signature. I actually have way more than what is listed.

You do not need them. You got away without it in the 80's therefore you do not need it.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:14 PM
You do not need them. You got away without it in the 80's therefore you do not need it.

And I got away without the internet in the 80's, so I don't need that either.
You logic is highly illogical.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:17 PM
And I got away without the internet in the 80's, so I don't need that either.
You logic is highly illogical.

It's not my logic. Your logic is that they don't need phones therefore they should not have them.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:18 PM
It's not my logic. Your logic is that they don't need phones therefore they should not have them.

Yes, that is correct. THEY should not have them. I never said I should not have a phone, or nobody should have a phone.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:22 PM
Yes, that is correct. THEY should not have them. I never said I should not have a phone, or nobody should have a phone.

Or kids can learn how to use things responsibly and we can avoid this mentality that we should take things away because some people use them for the wrong things.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:24 PM
I used to be a kid myself. I am not that naive.
Instead of phones we gave them laptops, because those I can monitor properly.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:30 PM
I used to be a kid myself. I am not that naive.
Instead of phones we gave them laptops, because those I can monitor properly.

You can monitor phones the same way as a laptop. There is no valid reason you can say a kid shouldn't have a phone but a laptop is okay.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:32 PM
No, you can't monitor phones the same way.
You can turn off Wifi on a phone, and it will connect directly to the carrier for data traffic.
The data traffic from the carrier I cannot monitor, the data traffic from the Wifi I can monitor perfectly in my router.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:37 PM
No, you can't monitor phones the same way.
You can turn off Wifi on a phone, and it will connect directly to the carrier for date traffic.
The data traffic from the carrier I cannot monitor, the data traffic from the Wifi I can monitor perfectly in my router.

You can tell them not use their data and monitor whether they are or not. If they disobey you then take it away. If you don't want to put in effort then just say that.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:40 PM
And if you take it away they would not have a phone. Which takes us back to my original conclusion that kids do not need a phone.
I they would truly need it you would not take it away.
All the excuses people make up as to why their kids needs phones are exactly that, excuses.

A cell phone is not a necessity for kids, regardless what carriers keep telling you. It is something they can be without.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:46 PM
And if you take it away they would not have a phone. Which takes us back to my original conclusion that kids do not need a phone.
I they would truly need it you would not take it away.
All the excuses people make up as to why their kids needs phones are exactly that, excuses.

You're taking it away because they are showing they aren't ready for that responsibility. Some kids are some kids aren't so a blanket statement that kids should not have phones is a bit much. There is an endless number of things kids don't need. You make it seem like kids should only have the necessities of life. Lead by example then and get rid of your 'Ripjaws"

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:48 PM
Tell me why kids need a phone. I am sure this is going to be good.

I forgot: Ripjaws is the model of my memory. Take that away and nothing will operate. So that would not be a good example.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:50 PM
Tell me why kids need a phone. I am sure this is going to be good.

I'm not saying they need a phone Im saying they want one.

Hans
11-01-2015, 11:53 PM
I'm not saying they need a phone Im saying they want one.

And if you give kids everything they want you will be bankrupt in no time.

The Chronic Liar
11-01-2015, 11:57 PM
And if you give kids everything they want you will be bankrupt in no time.

Then don't give them everything they want. My whole point is that the fact they don't need a phone is not a reason enough to say they shouldn't have one. If a parent can't afford one then obviously don't buy them one. What an opportunity to teach them about priorities.

Barry Morris
11-02-2015, 12:09 AM
Then don't give them everything they want. My whole point is that the fact they don't need a phone is not a reason enough to say they shouldn't have one. If a parent can't afford one then obviously don't buy them one. What an opportunity to teach them about priorities.

And stay in touch so you know they are safe.

The Chronic Liar
11-02-2015, 12:27 AM
And stay in touch so you know they are safe.

Yup like most things in life, people will find a way to abuse it. If we were to remove everything that could be exploited in such a manner we would pretty much have nothing. Censorship is so lazy.

BFLPE
11-02-2015, 12:29 AM
Look at the context, than talk again.
"Today, kids can call up as much porn as they want on their phones."

So what is better, porn for minors or no phones for kids?What's better doesn't matter. Kids have phones, you're not going to change that. Sure, you can choose to not give your kids phones and you can monitor what they do on their laptop at home but unless you don't let your kids interact with other kids they can still get that stuff.

What's worse, not letting your kids have phones and monitoring them 24/7 to protect them, or letting them experience what life has and teaching them how to deal with it?

The Chronic Liar
11-02-2015, 12:32 AM
What's better doesn't matter. Kids have phones, you're not going to change that. Sure, you can choose to not give your kids phones and you can monitor what they do on their laptop at home but unless you don't let your kids interact with other kids they can still get that stuff.

What's worse, not letting your kids have phones and monitoring them 24/7 to protect them, or letting them experience what life has and teaching them how to deal with it?

Oooooh I should have said that.

The Chronic Liar
11-02-2015, 12:36 AM
I am under the impression Hans thinks there are only two scenarios.

1) Not letting them have a cell phone
2) Letting them have a cell phone and losing all parental control

BFLPE
11-02-2015, 12:57 AM
Perhaps that's the case.

The thing is, at some point parental control will be lost.

I knew some kids growing up that were kept under a very tight leash. Once they finally tasted some freedom they didn't handle it well. Nothing creates a party favour quite like a strict upbringing in an all girls Catholic school.

IMHO
11-02-2015, 06:25 AM
Soon....babies will be born with a cell phone already attached to their right or left hand. Look for neck problems after years of looking downwards all the time. I notice the high school kids pouring out of school at 3 o'clock...few with any books but all looking at their cell phone as they walk to the bus.

The Chronic Liar
11-02-2015, 09:09 AM
Soon....babies will be born with a cell phone already attached to their right or left hand. Look for neck problems after years of looking downwards all the time. I notice the high school kids pouring out of school at 3 o'clock...few with any books but all looking at their cell phone as they walk to the bus.

If that's the case I sure hope there is bowl of dried rice that comes out after the placenta.

BFLPE
11-02-2015, 10:01 AM
Soon....babies will be born with a cell phone already attached to their right or left hand. Look for neck problems after years of looking downwards all the time. I notice the high school kids pouring out of school at 3 o'clock...few with any books but all looking at their cell phone as they walk to the bus.Distracted walking is a big problem, many injuries and deaths. Almost seems there is a direct correlation between advances in technology and a decline in what we think of as common sense.

Barry Morris
11-02-2015, 12:45 PM
Distracted walking is a big problem, many injuries and deaths. Almost seems there is a direct correlation between advances in technology and a decline in what we think of as common sense.

But think of the benefits to the organ donor system!!!

RWGR
11-02-2015, 02:21 PM
There will be no one left to put the organs in

Upper Decker
11-02-2015, 03:37 PM
This thread is full of so much nonsense lol.

Any person who considers watching porn and pulling one off to it cheating is an idiot with serious issues. Porn didnt ruin the marriage, being a ****ty person to another is what ruined the marriage. Stop demonizing sex and the human body - its natural and we all enjoy it (well except for the OP) clearly puritan mentality is still strong.

RWGR
11-02-2015, 04:13 PM
There will be no one left to put the organs in

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/23260590.jpg

Barry Morris
11-02-2015, 06:58 PM
This thread is full of so much nonsense lol.

Any person who considers watching porn and pulling one off to it cheating is an idiot with serious issues. Porn didnt ruin the marriage, being a ****ty person to another is what ruined the marriage. Stop demonizing sex and the human body - its natural and we all enjoy it (well except for the OP) clearly puritan mentality is still strong.

Get your wife to put in her two cents, and approval.

Hans
11-02-2015, 07:02 PM
Mine approves. Now what are you going to say?

Barry Morris
11-02-2015, 07:02 PM
Mine approves. Now what are you going to say?

Of course she does.

Hans
11-02-2015, 07:07 PM
What's better doesn't matter. Kids have phones, you're not going to change that. Sure, you can choose to not give your kids phones and you can monitor what they do on their laptop at home but unless you don't let your kids interact with other kids they can still get that stuff.

What's worse, not letting your kids have phones and monitoring them 24/7 to protect them, or letting them experience what life has and teaching them how to deal with it?

And you summed up the problems.

1. You believe using an electronic device to "monitor" kids is going to keep them "safe."
2. You believe in monitoring your kids 24/7 "to protect them."

Truth is you have to keep your kids safe, not some device.
And you do not need to monitor your kids 24/7 to protect them.

The media would like you to believe you need items 1 and 2, so they can sell you a "free" phone and add it "for free" to your existing plan.
It the similar way of thinking that is giving us all other kinds of "things" to keep us "safe".

Hans
11-02-2015, 07:07 PM
Of course she does.

What is that supposed to mean?

Anapeg
11-02-2015, 10:59 PM
What is that supposed to mean?

What happens in your life holds little resemblance to what happens in real life. Kind of like Hollywood, made up if you will. It seems you speak solely to inflame, irritate. Someone says white, you say it is black. It becomes tiresome, irksome.

Hans
11-03-2015, 07:14 AM
oh, so my life is not real life but made up like a Hollywood movie.
You sure can come to the strangest conclusions.

Anapeg
11-03-2015, 06:57 PM
oh, so my life is not real life but made up like a Hollywood movie.
You sure can come to the strangest conclusions.

Just matching your strange stories, Hans. I find you,...interesting, you are a bit of a study.

Hans
11-03-2015, 11:48 PM
Which stories are you talking about? Most of what I have stated on here is actually true, not a made up story.

Barry Morris
11-04-2015, 12:04 AM
Which stories are you talking about? Most of what I have stated on here is actually true, not a made up story.

Most. :) :) :)

Anapeg
11-04-2015, 09:50 AM
Which stories are you talking about? Most of what I have stated on here is actually true, not a made up story.

Driving 80 to 100 KPH on city streets, intimating you are untouchable by law enforcement, gleefully if not wantonly endangering life and limb of others because you are from Europe and know so much more than we about how things ought be run in Canada, or the Sault specifically. You deliberately flaunt the laws of our land simply on the grounds of you finding them restrictive, archaic, unwarranted. On the highway you hold the speed limit and hold traffic up yet again causing a dangerous situation because the average person, whether in town or in the country drives about 10 to 15 over. You are either a very self centred, egocentric individual or you have been untruthful in your dealing with those of us in this BBS. This is only a few points for you to ponder as there are more but with my memory I can't call them to mind right this instant. I am rather sure others will have some input should you really wish to hear.

Hans
11-04-2015, 06:14 PM
Those are mostly correct. I do on occasion drive up to 160 on city streets if traffic and weather permits. But yes, 80-100 is the daily range.
No tickets in the +15 years I have been driving here. I am considered a good driver in the statistics and according to my insurance policy.

And yes, seeing how this city is slowly crumbling away I would say you original Canadians need a different view on how to do things. Clearly you are not doing it right.
Some of your laws are highly restrictive, archaic, and at times unwarranted. Right now you cannot park your vehicle on city streets after midnight until 6:00 AM. That is a bylaw. I suggest changing it to something that makes more sense.
Another one is not enforcing vehicle safety checks every year by a government inspection station. If you want to make things safer, that would be a good start.

But yes, you have mostly been correct so far.

Hans
11-04-2015, 06:16 PM
And I forgot: teaching garbage collection people not the throw the empty bins and lids in the middle of someones driveway. This to me is a safety hazard and I would not put up with it if I was in charge of the garbage collection company.

Barry Morris
11-04-2015, 09:43 PM
Those are mostly correct. I do on occasion drive up to 160 on city streets if traffic and weather permits. But yes, 80-100 is the daily range.
No tickets in the +15 years I have been driving here. I am considered a good driver in the statistics and according to my insurance policy.

When I was young and foolish, I was once almost killed by a driver who pulled out in front of me. He saw me all right, but the glance at me way down the street didn't let him know how fast I was actually moving. Statistics have a way of catching up on people.


And yes, seeing how this city is slowly crumbling away I would say you original Canadians need a different view on how to do things. Clearly you are not doing it right.

And Europe doesn't have the weather extremes we do, nor heavy trucks. Makes a difference.


Some of your laws are highly restrictive, archaic, and at times unwarranted. Right now you cannot park your vehicle on city streets after midnight until 6:00 AM. That is a bylaw. I suggest changing it to something that makes more sense.
Last year at this time, the plows were out. So these laws make sense.


Another one is not enforcing vehicle safety checks every year by a government inspection station. If you want to make things safer, that would be a good start.
And how many accidents are caused by unsafe cars?? Not near enough to put in place a draconian safety inspection system like Europe has. AND North America has tougher cars.


But yes, you have mostly been correct so far.

Yes, HE has!!!

Hans
11-04-2015, 11:14 PM
Tougher cars, I see. There are many with holes in the body panels and rotted out fenders. I would not call that tougher.

The rest, well... :):):)

Barry Morris
11-05-2015, 12:18 AM
Tougher cars, I see. There are many with holes in the body panels and rotted out fenders. I would not call that tougher.

The rest, well... :):):)

One drop leaking oil, and yer off the road, from what I heard!!!

Rusty?? Sure. Mine is rusty, 26 years old, and 480,000 km of Canadian winters!!! I'd say it's got a right!!

Hans
11-05-2015, 08:24 PM
Yes, that is correct. They will also not tolerate holes in body panels, modified suspensions, modified engines etc...

They test a barrage of things, including a complete brake test, suspension test, emissions test, etc...
They also test ball joints and wheel bearings.
They also test for alignment of your headlights, so you don't blind people when driving on the road.

In other words, many cars that are on the road here would be off the road until repairs are done there.
Personally I like that system.

Hans
11-05-2015, 08:27 PM
I forgot to add they do soften up from time to time. You are now allowed aftermarket rims on your vehicle.
However, the tires need to have the correct speed and load rating, and the rims do need to be the original bolt pattern.
They also do not allow resurfaced or reconditioned tires, or different tire patterns on the same axle.

Barry Morris
11-05-2015, 10:01 PM
The rims need to be the original bolt pattern.

Very interesting. What the heck are you talking about???

By the way, everything you list is done in Ontario. I'v done those inspections myself. Of course, it isn't done every year. But there aren't that many 10 year old cars on the road, by comparison.

But less than 10 percent of accidents are caused by mechanical failure, so I think we're doing OK here.

Hans
11-05-2015, 11:36 PM
The 5 bolt pattern. I figured being a mechanic you would know there are other methods that do not follow that bolt pattern.

Hans
11-05-2015, 11:41 PM
I could be wrong, but I have never seen this equipment here in a shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZY_R6wXb78

Barry Morris
11-06-2015, 01:04 AM
The 5 bolt pattern. I figured being a mechanic you would know there are other methods that do not follow that bolt pattern.

I can only assume you mean custom rims with slots.

Changing the bolt pattern on your wheels would be silly.

Of course, changing a Citroen 3 bolt to a five stud could only be an improvement.

Barry Morris
11-06-2015, 01:07 AM
I could be wrong, but I have never seen this equipment here in a shop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZY_R6wXb78

Emisions testing gear, quite common.

Shock testing, I assume?? Doesn't cause that much problem, so no.

Hans
11-06-2015, 07:25 AM
Shock and brake testing, yes.

Barry Morris
11-06-2015, 09:46 AM
Shock and brake testing, yes.

I didn't notice the wheels spinning.

Where could I find specifications for brake performance??

Hans
11-06-2015, 09:22 PM
I didn't notice the wheels spinning.

Where could I find specifications for brake performance??


This is for transport trucks testing: http://www.cita-vehicleinspection.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=wDDg0JSey2I%3D&tabid=519
The device they use is similar to this: http://www.bosch.co.za/content/language1/html/3199.htm

How it works and what types there are: http://www.e-squared.org/Brake%20Testing%20Technology.htm

And here you have a complete video that also shows what they actually measure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcEHO_uAt8w

Barry Morris
11-06-2015, 10:36 PM
Thanks for those, very interesting.

This line is interesting: "Brake violations are the number one safety violation on trucks on the road today."

This is very true, but also very misleading. You might think that there are all kinds of accidents over this, but that is not the case.

I'd love the see the real stats on brake problems, because the main problem is brake adjustment. On North American heavy trucks, this is easily inspected. The modern brake actuator (air pot) has an indicator wrapped around the rod. The warning colour shows if the brake is out of adjustment.

The problem is that if the inspectors find one wheel out, the truck fails, and the statistic goes up. So how far does a truck have to go before the brake goes out of adjustment?? Maybe one trip. AND an inexperienced driver can blow brand new brake drums clean off the truck!!!

Bottom line is that the media hypes these issues, not to keep the public safe, but for their own benefit.

North American trucks carry huge loads coast to coast with very little problem. Considering the miles driven, safety on this continent is not a huge issue with current standards in place.

Anapeg
11-07-2015, 12:45 AM
Where in Europe are they testing as you have specified Hans? On YouTube I have witnessed tractor trailers loosing recaps on the highway. In Russia at least, the trucks pull a two axle trailer that has no brakes. This on a highway unit fully loaded. The trailer is a wiggle wagon on top of that. When two cars collide it is not uncommon for the engine to rip out from between the frame rails. Traffic "laws" seem to be more of a suggestion than a law. It is not as you would have us believe, all skittles and beer over there either.

Barry Morris
11-07-2015, 04:42 AM
Which reminds me.

Been a long time since I've seen a blown out tire along the road.

Hans
11-08-2015, 12:32 AM
Where in Europe are they testing as you have specified Hans? On YouTube I have witnessed tractor trailers loosing recaps on the highway. In Russia at least, the trucks pull a two axle trailer that has no brakes. This on a highway unit fully loaded. The trailer is a wiggle wagon on top of that. When two cars collide it is not uncommon for the engine to rip out from between the frame rails. Traffic "laws" seem to be more of a suggestion than a law. It is not as you would have us believe, all skittles and beer over there either.

It is common in all EU states. Any vehicle that is 4 years or older will be inspected yearly at a government run inspection station.
It is mandatory to get this inspection done and you pay the fee for it since it is not free.
The document that attests that the yearly vehicle inspection has been performed is part of the required car documents and will be checked whenever you are pulled over.
They are allowed to pull you over at any time, to check your board documents.

If you do not have a valid inspection record they will run the car VIN, and if it shows you are overdue you will be fined and have a limited amount of time to get the inspection done. They can also opt to impound the vehicle if they deem it a hazard on the road.

Anapeg
11-08-2015, 12:07 PM
It is common in all EU states. Any vehicle that is 4 years or older will be inspected yearly at a government run inspection station.
It is mandatory to get this inspection done and you pay the fee for it since it is not free.
The document that attests that the yearly vehicle inspection has been performed is part of the required car documents and will be checked whenever you are pulled over.
They are allowed to pull you over at any time, to check your board documents.

If you do not have a valid inspection record they will run the car VIN, and if it shows you are overdue you will be fined and have a limited amount of time to get the inspection done. They can also opt to impound the vehicle if they deem it a hazard on the road.

You still are witness to many autos of questionable repair. Bad tires are obvious in many videos with wet roads. What of the knock offs from China that are used? Surly they meet no known standards anywhere. Air bags deleted, anti lock brakes non existent. Simply looking the part does not a Mercedes make. It seems Russia, the Ukraine and Poland are the worst. Even given this as fact, they travel into better controlled countries, do they not? How is this safe?

Hans
11-08-2015, 03:47 PM
Only Poland is an EU member. You cannot test upon entry of a member state.

dancingqueen
11-10-2015, 04:35 PM
Wow... this thread got derailed.... a few times.
There is no question that the porn industry is responsible for many problems, especially for women. The rest of the reasons are just silly... the video in the op just sounds like a guy who got stuck in a job he hates... much of what he described sounded like how I felt working in a call Centre, more money, harsher vices. As for the diminishing relationships... if sex equals love for you, you are not emotionally mature enough to be in a relationship... or watch porn or really have access to the Internet. Relationships having problems due to porn are the fault of the people involved. Other factors do contribute, and I would suggest much of that has to do with how porn is seen, and how we as a society see women... don't blame a created thing for your own short comings... talk about not accepting responsibility.... oddly coincidental the people who think porn to be evil are the same who tell younger generations to do just that....

RWGR
11-10-2015, 05:35 PM
oddly coincidental the people who think porn to be evil are the same who tell younger generations to do just that....


Ummmm...what?

dancingqueen
11-10-2015, 09:10 PM
Telling the younger generations that they don't hold themselves accountable.

Barry Morris
11-10-2015, 09:29 PM
Telling the younger generations that they don't hold themselves accountable.

DQ, is this what you are saying:

It is oddly coincidental that the people who think porn is evil are the same who tell younger generations that the youth don't hold themselves accountable.

dancingqueen
11-10-2015, 10:30 PM
No, I am saying the people that cannot hold themselves accountable for the problems apparently brought on by porn are the same people that say the younger generations don't hold themselves accountable for things.

RWGR
11-11-2015, 09:09 AM
Being held accountable for things and becoming addicted to things are two very different issues.

dancingqueen
11-11-2015, 09:43 AM
Being held accountable for things and becoming addicted to things are two very different issues.

No, they are not the same, and I was not at all saying they where.
But one is accountable for the problems that occur as a result of one's porn addiction, just like one is accountable for the resulting actions of any addiction.
There is recent new data that is supportive of the idea that the vice itself is not the real problem of addiction in most cases, rather underlying problems. If you find you cannot love your spouse because of too much porn, the porn is not the problem. How you see love is.