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Barry Morris
04-25-2016, 05:37 PM
"If you listen to what radical Islamist groups have to say beyond all the religious stuff, it quickly becomes clear that one of the main drivers of such movements is a deep sense of injustice at the West’s historical treatment of Muslims. Perhaps the most common gripe is the behaviour of Israel — and the West’s support for the Jewish state in spite of Arabs killed, maimed and displaced."

http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/09/03/why-terrorists-really-hate-the-west/

Barry Morris
04-25-2016, 05:37 PM
“The evidence suggests that Western foreign policy plays an important role in pushing a few unstable individuals towards terrorism.”

Ya figure??

Barry Morris
04-25-2016, 05:39 PM
"Market research in the Middle East shows that public opinion is nowhere near as negative on the question of Western culture as it is on American foreign policy."

Hans
04-25-2016, 05:56 PM
We should have done the crusades properly. It would have prevented this issue from happening.

RWGR
04-26-2016, 08:47 AM
It's from "Crikey"...how does one argue against that???

RWGR
04-26-2016, 08:48 AM
“The evidence suggests that Western foreign policy plays an important role in pushing a few unstable individuals towards terrorism.”

Ya figure??

Right, because people don't look for scapegoats, and failed mid-Eastern governments don't look for scapegoats, either.

RWGR
04-26-2016, 08:50 AM
Also on the Crikey site, if you're so inclined: "Penetrating insight into John Howard's Sex life"

Barry Morris
04-26-2016, 09:52 AM
We should have done the crusades properly. It would have prevented this issue from happening.

So genocide is your answer??

It appears that american greed, mostly over oil, began this terror time, but even that "kill 'em all, let God sort them out!" culture doesn't have the heart for that.

Where is justice??

Hans
04-26-2016, 05:02 PM
There was no such thing as genocide during the crusades. Most of the crusades were sanctioned and/or funded by the Pope himself, in the name of the Roman Catholic Church.
I am sure if the Pope says it is ok, it is ok.

RWGR
04-26-2016, 05:39 PM
The Crusades were an attempt to take back lands the Muslims violently took from Christendom in earlier unprovoked attacks .

How dare those Christians want their land back!

Barry Morris
04-26-2016, 08:00 PM
There was no such thing as genocide during the crusades. ... .

You can't say they didn't try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)

"Although conquerors committing atrocities against the inhabitants of cities taken by storm after a siege was the norm in Medieval warfare, the massacre of the inhabitants of Jerusalem likely exceeded even these standards."

"None of them were left alive; neither women nor children were spared"

"..the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles."

Just like the hundred thousand dead after the first Gulf War. Blood bath.

Hans
04-26-2016, 08:10 PM
Back in the day genocide did not exist and it was perfectly normal.

Barry Morris
04-26-2016, 09:16 PM
Back in the day genocide did not exist and it was perfectly normal.

Well, you don't know the bible, so your answer follows.

Hans
04-26-2016, 10:23 PM
As far I am am aware, the crusades happened after the bible, not before?

RWGR
04-27-2016, 10:06 AM
You can't say they didn't try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(1099)

"Although conquerors committing atrocities against the inhabitants of cities taken by storm after a siege was the norm in Medieval warfare, the massacre of the inhabitants of Jerusalem likely exceeded even these standards."

"None of them were left alive; neither women nor children were spared"

"..the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles."

Just like the hundred thousand dead after the first Gulf War. Blood bath.

The "Protestant Inquisition" is a term applied to the severities of John Calvin in Geneva and Queen Elizabeth I in England during the 1500s. Calvin's followers burned 58 "heretics," including theologian Michael Servetus, who doubted the Trinity. Elizabeth I outlawed Catholicism and executed about 200 Catholics.

-- Protestant Huguenots grew into an aggressive minority in France in the 15OOs -- until repeated Catholic reprisals smashed them. On Saint Bartholomew's Day in 1572, Catherine de Medicis secretly authorized Catholic dukes to send their soldiers into Huguenot neighborhoods and slaughter families. This massacre touched off a six-week bloodbath in which Catholics murdered about 10,000 Huguenots. Other persecutions continued for two centuries, until the French Revolution. One group of Huguenots escaped to Florida; in 1565 a Spanish brigade discovered their colony, denounced their heresy, and killed them all.

http://www.skeptically.org/hhor/id4.html