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Huggy85
09-24-2007, 06:28 PM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-09/24/content_6780211.htm

I'm thinking if the U.S. government were to invest that money at home, the economy might not be tanking as bad as it is.

GenX
09-24-2007, 06:31 PM
Proof the economy is tanking????

1337
09-24-2007, 06:32 PM
The failing USD!

GenX
09-24-2007, 06:36 PM
You think that is tied to the health of an economy?

Wow! No wonder Canada is happy in it's role as below-average. Below average is a compliment!

Hans
09-24-2007, 06:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Proof the economy is tanking???? </div></div>

Social Security is $13 trillion short
A Treasury Department report finds serious shortfall, urges reforms; White House voices opposition to tax increases.

"Social Security can be made permanently solvent only by reducing the present value of scheduled benefits and/or increasing the present value of scheduled tax increases."

The paper went on to say: "Other changes to the program might be desirable, but only these changes can restore solvency permanently."

GenX
09-24-2007, 06:40 PM
What "paper"? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

What are you talking aboooooot?

1337
09-24-2007, 06:41 PM
Below average as meaning?

Top rated country live in?
Free Health Care?
Can be proud of comming from Canada?
Being the only country to burn the white house down?
Having a stronger dollar?

Hans
09-24-2007, 06:41 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/24/news/economy/bush_socsec.ap/index.htm?postversion=2007092417

A report issued by the Treasury Department said that some combination of benefit cuts and tax increases will need to be considered to permanently fix the funding shortfall. But White House officials stressed that President Bush remains opposed to raising taxes.

1337
09-24-2007, 06:45 PM
Funny though that he is straying from the fact of billions spent a month on a useless war.

I wonder if Bush atleast has math skills and can figure out that the amount of oil a day he pumps out, isn't covering his spending.

GenX
09-24-2007, 06:48 PM
GDP

Canada....$1.181 trillion
U.S....$ 13 trillion

GDP Growth

Canada...2.8%
U.S....2.9%

GDP per capita

Canada...$35,700
U.S....$43,800

Unemployment Rate

Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%

Population Below Poverty Line

Canada...15.9%
U.S....12%

Public Debt

Canada...65.4% of GDP
U.S....64.7% of GDP

Industrial Production Growth Rate

Canada...0.7%
U.S....4.2%

Geez...maybe someday Canada's economy will "fail" like the U.S., and you guys will actually become more wealthy and healthy financially! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

GenX
09-24-2007, 06:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Being the only country to burn the white house down?</div></div>

There it is!!!!!

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Hans
09-24-2007, 06:50 PM
Unemployment Rate

Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%

How many people is that in each country?

GenX
09-24-2007, 06:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Unemployment Rate

Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%

How many people is that in each country? </div></div>

Now per capita means nothing /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

You're sweating, Hansy, you're sweating!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/high5.gif

Hans
09-24-2007, 06:54 PM
I want the total number of unemployed in Canada and in the USA. Show me the numbers.

1337
09-24-2007, 06:54 PM
Hans, you have to keep in mind their legalized prostitution, and they also claim WORKING Welfare as working and employed.

GenX
09-24-2007, 06:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want the total number of unemployed in Canada and in the USA. Show me the numbers. </div></div>

You have a higher percentage unemployed.

Next!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Hans
09-24-2007, 06:56 PM
Not percentage. I want a physical number.

1337
09-24-2007, 06:58 PM
Speedy in the case of employment would differ from country to country, especially when you have MILLIONS more people.

Sure we have a 1 percentage higher unemployment rate, but compared to the people that we have, you have a higher density of unemployed.

You guys also still have higher crime rate, more murders, more hand guns, more violence period!

You have hundres of prisons, filled with millions of lifers!

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not percentage. I want a physical number. </div></div>

Denial 101!!

Hans
09-24-2007, 07:01 PM
Can't provide a number?

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:02 PM
Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Sure we have a 1 percentage higher unemployment rate
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Oh, Canada! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

Hans
09-24-2007, 07:02 PM
Again, that's not a number but a percentage of something.
So, numbers?

1337
09-24-2007, 07:08 PM
You have a 20% higher crimerate!

OH SAY CAN YOU SEE????
BY THE DAWNS EARLY LIGHT!!
WHAT SO PROUDLY WE HAIL
A 20% HIGHER CRIMERATE!!!

1337
09-24-2007, 07:09 PM
AND THE ROCKETS RED GLARE!!!!!
BOMBS BURSTING IN AIR!!!
GAVE US PROOF, THROUGH THE NIGHT
THAT THE CRIME RATES ARE STILL THERE!!!

KDawg
09-24-2007, 07:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want the total number of unemployed in Canada and in the USA. Show me the numbers. </div></div>

You have a higher percentage unemployed.

Next!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

Against my better judgement, I'll add my two cents in the middle of this storm of posts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to the Council on International and Public Affairs (CIPA), the real U.S. rate of unemployment, if properly calculated, would be 11.4 per cent - more than double the official rate.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Among the categories dropped from the labour force survey, in addition to the discouraged, were the under-16 group, those on strike or locked out and those who weren't actively looking for work in the four weeks prior to the survey. But by far the largest group omitted from the list of jobless in the U.S. are the working-age men who are out of work because they are in prison or on parole.

The 1.5 million American men in jail and the 8.1 million on parole make up nearly 10 per cent of that country's male workforce. By not including them in its labour force survey, the U.S. is able to reduce its official unemployment rate by more than five per cent.

Just as the omission of a large group of unemployed can drastically skew the statistics, so can the inclusion of a group whose members are virtually 100 per cent employed - such as the members of the U.S. armed forces. By lumping these 1.5 million army, navy, air force and marine personnel in with the civilian workforce, the official unemployment rate is reduced by nearly another one per cent.
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link (http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/carryon/dcharbon/forum/usa.htm)

1337
09-24-2007, 07:14 PM
OH SNAP, SPEEDY IS WRONG AGAIN! LOL


Kdawg, your right about adding against your better judgement.

Politics section has turned into "Speedy attacking and defending"

Barry Morris
09-24-2007, 07:15 PM
I was just wondering about those people in jail. Thanks Kdawg.

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KDawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I want the total number of unemployed in Canada and in the USA. Show me the numbers. </div></div>

You have a higher percentage unemployed.

Next!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif </div></div>

Against my better judgement, I'll add my two cents in the middle of this storm of posts.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to the Council on International and Public Affairs (CIPA), the real U.S. rate of unemployment, if properly calculated, would be 11.4 per cent - more than double the official rate.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Among the categories dropped from the labour force survey, in addition to the discouraged, were the under-16 group, those on strike or locked out and those who weren't actively looking for work in the four weeks prior to the survey. But by far the largest group omitted from the list of jobless in the U.S. are the working-age men who are out of work because they are in prison or on parole.

The 1.5 million American men in jail and the 8.1 million on parole make up nearly 10 per cent of that country's male workforce. By not including them in its labour force survey, the U.S. is able to reduce its official unemployment rate by more than five per cent.

Just as the omission of a large group of unemployed can drastically skew the statistics, so can the inclusion of a group whose members are virtually 100 per cent employed - such as the members of the U.S. armed forces. By lumping these 1.5 million army, navy, air force and marine personnel in with the civilian workforce, the official unemployment rate is reduced by nearly another one per cent.
</div></div>

link (http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/carryon/dcharbon/forum/usa.htm)



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Oh, so we'll add the U.S. inmate population, but not Canada's?

Oh, how you guys are in panic mode now!!

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just wondering about those people in jail. Thanks Kdawg. </div></div>

Panic time!!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

Crusty
09-24-2007, 07:46 PM
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GenX
09-24-2007, 07:48 PM
So good, you gotta' post it twice!

US and Canada Economic Comparison


GDP

Canada....$1.181 trillion
U.S....$ 13 trillion

GDP Growth

Canada...2.8%
U.S....2.9%

GDP per capita

Canada...$35,700
U.S....$43,800

Unemployment Rate

Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%

Population Below Poverty Line

Canada...15.9%
U.S....12%

Public Debt

Canada...65.4% of GDP
U.S....64.7% of GDP

Industrial Production Growth Rate

Canada...0.7%
U.S....4.2%


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GenX
09-24-2007, 07:48 PM
Nice Industrial Production Growth Rate, boys!!

1337
09-24-2007, 07:50 PM
Nice way to deter the subject away from your over spending on the war.

Billions a month!

Crusty
09-24-2007, 07:50 PM
America 7 Canada 0 /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:51 PM
That's pocket change for a real country, which is why you're having such a difficult time comprehending it.

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Crusty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">America 7 Canada 0 /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif </div></div>

Sounds like the score to the World Cup hockey game in Montreal in '94! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif

Crusty
09-24-2007, 07:52 PM
are we a fake country Speedy ?

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Crusty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">are we a fake country Speedy ? </div></div>

Being a little too kind, aren't you???

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<span style='font-size: 8pt'>I'm killing myself over here!!!</span>

1337
09-24-2007, 07:54 PM
Yet again I refer you to the declining USD

1337
09-24-2007, 07:54 PM
You will find out sooner or later, just wait.

GenX
09-24-2007, 07:55 PM
Once again I refer to


GDP

Canada....$1.181 trillion
U.S....$ 13 trillion

GDP Growth

Canada...2.8%
U.S....2.9%

GDP per capita

Canada...$35,700
U.S....$43,800

Unemployment Rate

Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%

Population Below Poverty Line

Canada...15.9%
U.S....12%

Public Debt

Canada...65.4% of GDP
U.S....64.7% of GDP

Industrial Production Growth Rate

Canada...0.7%
U.S....4.2%

1337
09-24-2007, 08:44 PM
Oh I referred to it, but as someone already proved you wrong, I didn't enter that into evidence.

1337
09-24-2007, 08:45 PM
Your numbers are simply cut and pasted from garbage material that has no grounds.

It was probably an American who wrote that, not taking into consideration of your prisoners.

How many people in prison over there in the US? How high is your crime rate?

DoubleXL
09-24-2007, 08:52 PM
He more then likely pulled the information from a dated source. More then likely the CIA Factbook. We all know how much the United States knows about other countries. Remember all the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

No, I didn't think you would.

Hans
09-24-2007, 08:54 PM
This is priceless!

Public Debt

Canada...65.4% of GDP
U.S....64.7% of GDP

In numbers this translates to the following :

Public Debt

Canada ... 65.4% of $1.02 trillion (2004 est.)
U.S.... 64.7% of $11.75 trillion (2004 est.)

Numbers are from :

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/factbook/ca/econom.html;_ylt=ApFb73Pc6L31HGLb8GDCnZW4ecYF

DoubleXL
09-24-2007, 08:57 PM
Yeah, his information is 3 years dated. You cannot compare 65.4% of 1.02 Trillion to 64.7% of 11.75 Trillion.

Canada also has been actively paying down its debt. While the United States is racking theirs up.

1337
09-24-2007, 08:58 PM
Well that just proves Speedy wrong.

Mission completed.

Striker
09-24-2007, 09:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again I refer to


GDP

Canada....$1.181 trillion
U.S....$ 13 trillion

GDP Growth

Canada...2.8%
U.S....2.9%

GDP per capita

Canada...$35,700
U.S....$43,800

Unemployment Rate

Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%

Population Below Poverty Line

Canada...15.9%
U.S....12%

Public Debt

Canada...65.4% of GDP
U.S....64.7% of GDP

Industrial Production Growth Rate

Canada...0.7%
U.S....4.2% </div></div>

Despite all this your country dug a hole they'll never climb out of.............bring on the skipper next time Gilligan

Barry Morris
09-25-2007, 09:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OH SNAP, SPEEDY IS WRONG AGAIN! LOL


Kdawg, your right about adding against your better judgement.

Politics section has turned into "Speedy attacking and defending" </div></div>

What was that little dog's name in the cartoons, with Spike? It wasn't Crusty was it???

Barry Morris
09-25-2007, 09:27 AM
Back to thread topic. What I posted elsewhere:

"According to the Pentagon, the war in Iraq is costing $8.4 billion per month.

Cost of the War in Iraq Per Minute

Cost per month: 8,400,000,000
Cost per week: 2,100,000,000
Cost per day: 300,000,000
Cost per hour: 12,500,000
Cost per minute: 208,333.33

That war is costing $208,333 per minute!"

That's more than three times what I GROSSED last year being spent in one minute!!!!

1337
09-25-2007, 04:57 PM
http://www.beyondbooks.com/law81/images/00016358.jpg

Ohh this is what poor Speedy looks like after seeing the numbers with no real explanation.

But i'm sure he'll just respond with a simple untrue attack about Canadians, because when cornered with no logical or intelligent response, he just attacks.

GenX
09-25-2007, 05:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Once again I refer to


GDP

Canada....$1.181 trillion
U.S....$ 13 trillion

GDP Growth

Canada...2.8%
U.S....2.9%

GDP per capita

Canada...$35,700
U.S....$43,800

Unemployment Rate

Canada...6.4%
U.S....4.8%

Population Below Poverty Line

Canada...15.9%
U.S....12%

Public Debt

Canada...65.4% of GDP
U.S....64.7% of GDP

Industrial Production Growth Rate

Canada...0.7%
U.S....4.2% </div></div>

1337
09-25-2007, 05:41 PM
Yet again, outdated numbers. Get real proof, and real stats.

GenX
09-25-2007, 05:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back to thread topic. What I posted elsewhere:

"According to the Pentagon, the war in Iraq is costing $8.4 billion per month.

Cost of the War in Iraq Per Minute

Cost per month: 8,400,000,000
Cost per week: 2,100,000,000
Cost per day: 300,000,000
Cost per hour: 12,500,000
Cost per minute: 208,333.33

That war is costing $208,333 per minute!"

That's more than three times what I GROSSED last year being spent in one minute!!!!
</div></div>

Is it our fault McDonald's doesn't exactly pay exorbitant wages???

GenX
09-25-2007, 05:42 PM
The best part of this thread, other than the fact it shows without a doubt the U.S. is much healthier than Canada economically, is that Hans doesn't have a clue what "per-capita" means!!

I'm lovin' it!!

GenX
09-25-2007, 05:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yet again, outdated numbers. Get real proof, and real stats. </div></div>

It must suck waiting all day on the board for the people that actually work for a living to come on.

A life of welfare checks does have its drawbacks.

1337
09-25-2007, 05:45 PM
Character assasination again. Is that all you try do is put people down?

And your a role model and leader of the American Educational system?

Much healthier? How so, you have a declining dollar and a increasing debt!

GenX
09-25-2007, 05:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Character assasination again. Is that all you try do is put people down?

And your a role model and leader of the American Educational system?

Much healthier? How so, you have a declining dollar and a increasing debt! </div></div>

Show me where it is increasing.

As for character assassination, if something is true it is hardly character assassination.

Do you think it is top secret news that you live life off the back of hard-working Canadians?

Hardly.

GenX
09-25-2007, 05:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OH SNAP, SPEEDY IS WRONG AGAIN! LOL


Kdawg, your right about adding against your better judgement.

Politics section has turned into "Speedy attacking and defending" </div></div>

What was that little dog's name in the cartoons, with Spike? It wasn't Crusty was it??? </div></div>

Hey, it's 'Peace of Christ' Morris!!

Hiya, Barry!! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif

Doesn't he live up to his sig just fine???

GenX
09-25-2007, 06:34 PM
"As a portion of GDP, as a portion of the economy, this war is very small compared to, say, Vietnam, which was 10 percent of GDP, Korea, which was 15 percent of GDP, World War II, 45 percent of GDP. The whole military budget this time is less than 5 percent of GDP"

The WHOLE military budget this time is less than 5 percent of GDP

LINK (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june07/warcost_05-23.html)

Life is good /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Return of Too Many Daves
09-25-2007, 06:41 PM
So you could afford to invade way more countries then really. Wahey, sounds like fun.

GenX
09-25-2007, 06:43 PM
Yeah, you guys did it three hundred years ago, so we may as well, EH?

Return of Too Many Daves
09-25-2007, 06:46 PM
Actually my family stayed home, you are the colonial! LOL

GenX
09-25-2007, 06:54 PM
Coming over from Scotland in 1895 is being "colonial"?

Return of Too Many Daves
09-25-2007, 07:01 PM
Err yes, you colonised. What do you think colonial is having a holiday there?

GenX
09-25-2007, 07:04 PM
So every immigrant that has gone to an established country in history has "colonized" it?

Wow, learn something new each day /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

By the way, nice job on your colonization of Africa. You did so well. Abject poverty, death, and misery is your legacy.

well done, ol' chap!!

1337
09-25-2007, 07:29 PM
Colonized Africa??? Well atleast they didn't drag thousands of Africans across to the new world and enslaved them.

The founder of your so called country had slaves.

BUt you still ignore the fact of this thread.

Your WASTING billions, on a losing war.

VIETNAM ALL OVER AGAIN!

Hans
09-25-2007, 07:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best part of this thread, other than the fact it shows without a doubt the U.S. is much healthier than Canada economically, is that Hans doesn't have a clue what "per-capita" means!!

I'm lovin' it!! </div></div>

Just like you don't seem to understand what % of GDP means.
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