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Iraq Body Count (IBC) records the violent civilian deaths that have resulted from the 2003 military intervention in Iraq. Its public database includes deaths caused by US-led coalition forces and paramilitary or criminal attacks by others.
IBC’s documentary evidence is drawn from crosschecked media reports of violent events leading to the death of civilians, or of bodies being found, and is supplemented by the careful review and integration of hospital, morgue, NGO and official figures.
Systematically extracted details about deadly incidents and the individuals killed in them are stored with every entry in the database. The minimum details always extracted are the number killed, where, and when.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
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DoubleXL
09-30-2007, 09:04 PM
They are only human beings, right? Why should the United States care about how many Iraqis get martyred. They only care about how many of their occupation soldiers are removed from life.
The Iraq Body Count wesbsite was abandoned long ago even by the ,most fervent anti-war advocates.
Its number were so cooked, it was quickly shown to be a site no one would trust, save a few under-educated.
So, at least we shouldn't be surprised the site is on Soonet. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
But it also says in the disclaimer that the numbers are not accurate, they were only going by NEWS, and only counting the deaths in violent acts!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But it also says in the disclaimer that the numbers are not accurate </div></div>
That was quick and painless.
Next!!!
DoubleXL
10-01-2007, 09:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But it also says in the disclaimer that the numbers are not accurate, they were only going by NEWS, and only counting the deaths in violent acts! </div></div>
Which means that the number is more then likely much higher. It does not include deaths from NON violent acts. e.g.Natural causes
He lacks the brain power for that. If it isn't in the first article, he doesn't read it.
Double, it did say that. The numbers are probably alot higher, but they were just going by new articles. The same articles Speedy cuts and pastes from.
dancingqueen
10-02-2007, 09:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But it also says in the disclaimer that the numbers are not accurate...</div></div>
T-Pot, the site looses all credebility with that one phrase alone.
It could also mean violent attacks from each other, or from animals. It could be reffering to accidents that appear violent. How is "violent acts" defined?
Like I mentioned. Violent acts are defined in the news.
If the news prints "400 dead in attack in iraq" the site racks up 400.
Any unknown deaths, accidents or what not are not printed. Only the ones that made the news.
riggs
10-02-2007, 02:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AHDoubleXL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They are only human beings, right? Why should the United States care about how many Iraqis get martyred. They only care about how many of their occupation soldiers are removed from life. </div></div>
To think like an American you need to look a little deeper than body counts and lives.
You need to think oil.With no more than 6 months months reserves they'll kill for it.
dancingqueen
10-02-2007, 03:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I mentioned. Violent acts are defined in the news.
If the news prints "400 dead in attack in iraq" the site racks up 400.
Any unknown deaths, accidents or what not are not printed. Only the ones that made the news. </div></div>
so, basicly any guy in his basement could have made this site then... how ... credible.
DQ is on fire today, by golly!!
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A guy in the basement, a guy in a box, a guy up on a pole. It doesn't matter, the numbers are driven from news articles. He is only as credible as the news source that gives it to him.
So instead of attacking his credibility, your should be attacking the news reports that he gets his information from.
So next time you respond in a nonsense mannar, think to yourself. Do you beleive the news?
dancingqueen
10-02-2007, 09:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-pot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you beleive the news? </div></div>
do you belive everything everyone tells you, or just what the overly liberal Canadian/anti-American crowd says?
It depends on the sources T-Pot, and it also depends on the agenda of the news caster, sometimes stories get twisted and manipulated. My Dad always said "Belive all of what you see and half of what you hear"
dancingqueen
10-02-2007, 09:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DQ is on fire today, by golly!!
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I just get irritated by the constant hypocrosy I see when people judge the United States, same goes for any other country, but I find on this board we, as Canadians still need to look in our own backyard before we critisize
Soundbear
10-02-2007, 09:47 PM
So, DQ, get us a more authoritative source and accurate body count.
dancingqueen
10-02-2007, 09:54 PM
I don't have one, and, I have never claimed to have one.
In fact I would be suprised if an unbiased count existed.
Soundbear
10-02-2007, 09:56 PM
Un biased, not likely. But maybe more dependable.
dancingqueen
10-02-2007, 10:30 PM
I am sure a more dependable count exiss, but I have no interes in searching for it because I belive that what is happening in Iraq is for the ultamate good. I think people are being oblivious to the fact that deaths have been happening all along, we just never knew about them because we where never involved before. This was not a happy place with no worries before the US came there.
How can a body count be biased??? PEOPLE ARE DEAD!
"Oh he doesn't really count as a dead guy because he died of a grenade accidently going off?"
The site, is a death toll since the states occupied Iraq. If anything it lacks in numbers instead of exaggerates.
Want to talk about hipocracy????? Your the one attacking me for my opinions when speedy does it 10 fold!
His posts about Belgium, and England, and even CANADA!
So before you make yourself look even worse, I think you better check your facts before posting!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sure a more dependable count exiss, but I have no interes in searching for it (Then stop bashing my post, when I do have interest in it, this is about my opinion)
because I belive that what is happening in Iraq is for the ultamate good. I think people are being oblivious to the fact that deaths have been happening all along, we just never knew about them because we where never involved before.
This was not a happy place with no worries before the US came there.(Whatever it was, it is worse now, What gives the states right to take over)??? </div></div>
If you want to talk about WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN PROBLEMS BEFORE JUDGING OTHERS???
Talk about The States worrying about their own problems before trying to correct other countries problems.
Your being a hippocrate.
dancingqueen
10-02-2007, 10:58 PM
I'll talk about this tomorrow wih you. I am not in the mood right now.
It seems like your the one who's getting "all steamed up" /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
stupefied
10-03-2007, 01:21 AM
It's true the IBC figures are not considered to be accurate by any credible source. Unfortunately, with the exception of a few high placed western officials, the consensus is that the IBC's numbers grossly understate the true number of civilian deaths.
Many innocent civilians have died as a result of this conflict. It will likely be many years before history can judge whether it was worth it.
dancingqueen
10-03-2007, 01:04 PM
well, the way I look at it.. if people ae constantly dying and there is no intervention, the amount of deaths could b infinite. whereas if something is done to stop it, although there will be a higher death toll initially th amount of deaths will be more on a finite amount.
I could be wrong but I would be suprised
The idea of, GIVING A LITTLE, to GET A LITTLE is ridiculous.
Our society tries to promote, VIOLENCE isn't the answer, and then starts wars.
It is my right as a human, and a Canadian to be against this, and post my views an opinions, just as the creator of the website is!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Iraq Body Count wesbsite was abandoned long ago even by the ,most fervent anti-war advocates.
Its number were so cooked, it was quickly shown to be a site no one would trust, save a few under-educated.
So, at least we shouldn't be surprised the site is on Soonet. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif</div></div>
Go to the link, there is an update from October 2nd 2007.
Abandon'd, no.
PS. your not on ignore, I was bored yesterday and had no one to argue with.
starterwiz
10-03-2007, 11:45 PM
Did anyone watch "the War" on PBS?
50 to 60 million people died during WW-II. No-one is sure exactly, but the ones that were there liberating the death camps, or that dropped the nukes to end the war, had no doubt that it was justified.
Who is really keeping score?
A lot of those were non military personnel. I believed around 300.000 civilians died during the 2 nukes alone. What not many people know is that they were dropped 2 days a part.
So the question has always been : was the second one really required, or could a few extra days have saved 100.000 civilian lives?
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