View Full Version : Weightloss surgery - RNY/MGB

10-16-2007, 08:49 PM
I have been giving some serious thought to having weightloss surgery. From what I have read the Minigastric bypass seems like the surgery with the most postives about it. However, I believe its no longer being performed in Michigan. My perference has been towards this one but I don't know that traveling to Vegas of Florida is practical. Can anyone share your thoughts with me? Does anyone who had the RNY regret it? Does anyone know in OHIP assists with any travel costs?


10-17-2007, 09:54 AM
pm to you

Jackie B
10-17-2007, 10:10 AM
I don't know if OHIP helps with travel costs, but I know my hubby just bought a round trip ticket to Las Vegas, and it was $180 with insurance. I think it was only $150 without it. Plus, the last time he went there, the hotel room was noly $17/night, and it wasn't a dive.

10-17-2007, 10:17 AM
wow Jackie
that is cheap. Where do you find information about this?

10-17-2007, 02:38 PM
I booked my flight and hotel on travelocity.. stayed right on the strip and only paid $566 for 10 nights in vegas including my flight!! and you don't eat anything after the surgery so meal cost is low...

Jackie B
10-17-2007, 03:44 PM
Sorry, I wasn't thinking...that's out of Detroit. He's driving down there and back. It was considerably more out of the Sault and northern Michigan.

10-17-2007, 03:58 PM
i had the mgb in michigan a year and a half ago and i am thrilled with my new life. i researched the different surgeries and it was the one for me. but i do understand that it is hard to go so far, i was lucky it was so close at my time. personally, though, i would go to vegas for the mgb rather than the rny, but thats my opinion after the researching that i have done.

no, ohip does not cover travel or accomodations, only the hospital fee for the surgery. we are so lucky as canadians to get that! the others who had their surgery at the same time took out loans for theirs.

Jackie B
10-17-2007, 04:15 PM
Well, I know you can stay at Whiskey Pete's for $17/night! LOL Besides the name, hubby said it was a nice place. It's part of a casino I think, so they offer cheap rooms, hoping you'll spend your $$$ on the slot machines.

10-17-2007, 04:22 PM
you can look into ODSP or OW for funding.. I managed to get about 900 from them..

10-17-2007, 08:37 PM
for those who did the surgery in Vegas, did you have to go to one of those seminars first?

For any MBGers.... did you have any difficulties find a psychologist to do an assessment? How much did that cost?

10-17-2007, 08:44 PM
i see dr. tang so he did mine for me no problem.

10-17-2007, 11:16 PM
I wish i had dr. tang..
or any doc here would do.
my papers have been sitting on doctors desk since june!!! I called again today hoping she will move her butt

10-18-2007, 10:06 AM
No I didn't have to go to the seminar first.. and my family doc referred me to a psychologist and OHIP pays for that... so it didn't cost me a dime.. only 2.5 month wait to get in.

Bill Nash
10-18-2007, 01:48 PM
If you want an opinion from a MBGer, I have no regrets. So far I have lost 110 pounds and feel great. I would like to lose about another 20 to 30 pounds. If and when we have another support group meeting, you should come and see what awaits you.

10-18-2007, 02:27 PM
I emailed kimH from the http://www.clos.net site yesterday and asked her to come here and give a presentation. I also suggested Dr. R should go to the clinic in Bay City MI for a period of a couple weeks once a year or more and do the surgury for those prepared and approved. I have not heard back but I thought it might be something they will consider. I will let you know when and if I hear from them /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

10-18-2007, 07:42 PM
That certainly would be great if they were able to come to us or closer at least.

10-19-2007, 07:48 AM
This is the response I recieved this morning..

Hi Barb –

Yes, I am still actively working for CLOS and I am the main focal point for OHIP covered patients. I can fax it to the site of your choice.

No, unfortunately Dr.Rutledge’s practice in NV is so busy that he can’t shut down his practice for 2 weeks per month in order to travel here. He would have to stop surgeries for 7 days to be sure he’s available to anyone he did surgery on for the a week. Then do surgeries here and stay in MI for the 7 days. This would not make sense when he would love at least a full week of surgeries. I would love to come to the Sault to attend a meeting. If you organize something let me know and I will coordinate to be there. We will be in Toronto on November 18th, but this is quite a distance from the Sault. I would love to join your group just let me know the timing you’re interested in and the location. We have met groups in restaurants, church rooms of someone that had a meeting room they could use, etc.

Kim Hazen

CLOS Director of Michigan

Phone: 989-450-8081

Fax: 989-671-9813

Email: khazen@clos.net

10-20-2007, 12:48 PM
I know what MGB is but what is RNY? Anyone know what the minimum weight loss that OHIP will cover? I have heard some who pay their own costs who had 30-50 lbs to lose. a drastic way to lose a smaller amount of weight.(30 lbs)

10-20-2007, 01:59 PM
RNY is a type of weighloss surgery similar to the MGB only a slightly different procedure, here is a website.


10-20-2007, 02:22 PM
What is RNY? here is some info.

Roux-Y Gastric bypass suregery changes the anatomy to help achieve a lower caloric intake. As a result of suregery the stomach will be smaller and the small intestine shorter. All of this is accomplished without removing any part of the gastrointestinal tract.

First the stomach is divided int two seperate parts. The small part that is attached to the esophogus is the new stomach. This new stomach is only about the size of a shot glass, roughly 1 ounce in volume. The rest of the stomach remains in place and continues to make gastric juices that will aid in digestion. The small intestine is divided and the downstream end is connected to the new stomach and pass directly into the small intestine. In order to asist with digestion, the upstream small intestine is connected to the Roux limb to create a "Y" intersection, hence the name Roux-Y Gastric Bypass operation.

The anatomic rearrangement allows for weight loss for two reasons. First, with a smaller stomach the pace of eating is slowed. All foods, including liquids must be taken slowly. Second, some of the calories ingested will not be absorbed because the small intestine in now shorter than it was before. However, it is important to remember that most calories will be absorbed.
The new, tiny stomach must be treated like a funnel. It will hold less then 2 ounces of food at a time and so , like a funnel, time must pass (a few minutes) before it empties and can be refilled. This is done over and over until a meal is done. This means that it wil take much longer to eat a meal after surgery. Eating to fast causes the funnel to spill over. The result is vomitting. You will need to drink your liquids after and between-NOT with meals. Your sense of being "FULL" will be different than it is now. Your diet will consist of high protein, low fat and calorie foods. Although the new stomach will limit the foods you eat it will not chose the foods for you. Unfortunately, it will allow high calorie , junk foods etc to pass through. This will lead to insufficient weight loss and weight regain. Sweets and sugary foods will lead to "DUMPING SYNDROME" which is a combination of diarrhea, cramping, sweating and nausea.

The Roux-Y Gastric Bypass surgery can lead to an average weight loss of 60=65% if excess body weight. That is equal to 130 pound weight loss in a person 200 pounds over weight. This loss can last for years following surgery. Success after surgery is defined as losing at least 50% of excess body weight and keeping it off year after year. By this definition surgery is successful in approximately 80% of patients. "THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF SURGERY IS COMBINED WITH A LIFESTYLE CHANGE, INCLUDING HEALTHY DIETING AND REGULAR EXCERCISE"



1)Wound infection
2)WOund hernia-a seperation of muscle under the skin which may require operative repair
3)Abnormal heart rhythm
4)Heart attack
7)Pulmonary Embolus-blood clots that may form in the leg veins can break off and travel to the heart and lungs
8)Anastomotic leack-the connection between the stomach and the small intestine may leak. Is rare but would require surgicla repair
9)Stricture-narrowing of the stomach/small intestine connection to the point that food can no longer pass through easily
11)Bowel Obstruction
13)Hair thinning
14)High risk pregnancy-All women should avoid pregnancy for the first 2 years following surgery since this is the time of most rapid weight loss. A pregnancy during this time could result in severe maternal malnutrition, fetal malnutrition, premature birth, underweight newborns or miscarriage
15)Death-the overall mortality is < 1%, placing this operation on par with elective gallbladder removal or bowel surgery.


Overweight and obese individuals (BMI of 25 and above) are at increased risk for physical ailments such as

1)High blood pressure, hypertension
2)High blood cholesterol, dyslipidemia
3)Type 2 (non-insulin dependent) diabetes
4)Insulin resistance,
5)glucose intolerance
7)Coronary heart disease
8)Angina pectoris
9)Congestive heart failure
12)Cholescystitis and cholelithiasis
15)Obstructive sleep apnea and
respiratory problems
16)Some types of cancer (such as endometrial, breast, prostate, and colon)
17)Complications of pregnancy
18)Poor female reproductive health (such as menstrual irregularities, infertility, irregular ovulation)
19)Bladder control problems (such as stress incontinence)
20)Uric acid nephrolithiasis
21)Psychological disorders (such as depression, eating disorders, distorted body image, and low self esteem)." (from cdc.gov)

I have had the RNY procedure and it was the best decision for me. I do not regret it at all. I have had 0 complications. My personal opinion is that it is a far superior procedure and has had enough study to prove what works. I do believe the MGB is newer and has not had all the studies that the RNY has had. Anyways that is just my opinion, ultimately it has to be with what you are comfortable with.

10-20-2007, 03:17 PM
For those of you who had the MGB.....did you choose the psychologist to see for your assessment or did you doctor make a referral to one? Which psychologists have been easy to work with? Never been to one before.

10-20-2007, 03:48 PM
I had the RNY but also had to see a psychologist and I had to see the psychologist on the surgeons team. He has his own psychologists/social workers, nutritionists as well and I had to see all of them and be approved by them. I also had to attend a seminar. I don't understand how some surgeons do not require these things. I think it is irresponsible on the surgeons part to not enforce this. Too many people out there do not understand what they are getting into and what this all entails. Too many people think it is a quick fix.

For the person out there that mentioned earlier about having to lose 30 pounds or so. There is a requirement to have this surgery and that is to be 100 pounds or more over the ideal weight or a BMI of more then 30. So for those who only need to lose 30 or 40 pounds any reliable and responsible surgeon will not perform this surgery. You also must show that you have tried many other forms of weight loss methods and have a history of weight issues before the surgeon will look at you.

10-20-2007, 09:13 PM
hi, im mgb, we got to choose our own, no referrals from the surgeons at all. i suppose your gp could refer you to one. i was lucky that i had already been seeing dr. tang.

10-20-2007, 09:54 PM
I liked how things were done. My surgeon has put together his own team of specialists that he works with very closely so everyone knows what the expectations of the surgeon is. The facility I was in was top of the line all state of the art equipment and the best staff I have ever seen. Everything was suited to my needs pre and post op.

10-22-2007, 12:59 PM
Thanks Magicfingers your description is very informative. I was curiuos about RNY a term I don't recall hearing before.

10-22-2007, 03:57 PM
Got a bill for $30,000 in the mail today from the hospital in Nevada...called Kim in Bay City... She said it was sent out by mistake... I sure hope so!!!!!!!!!

10-24-2007, 08:42 PM
Yikes! I am sure its meant for OHIP not you.

10-25-2007, 05:38 PM
well no.. it says that my insurance company was billed but hasn't paid, so they want the money from me... But like I said earlier, Kim Hazen has reassured me that my bill is paid and that this letter is a mistake.

10-25-2007, 10:59 PM
I hope so KelBear! How are you doing anyways?

10-26-2007, 12:12 AM
Good news
Kim will be coming sometime in January /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
I will keep you all updated on the date

10-26-2007, 09:56 PM
today I am now down 48lbs.... and eating pretty much everything. There are a few things that bother my stomach...Like bread..and pasta... but I think my stomach has a mind of it's own.. somedays I can eat anything (in very small amounts) and others I can hardly get anything in without causing discomfort..Fruit is great.. and I still eat a lot of soups!! But I don't mind at all..the weight is still coming off... 10 more pounds and it will be the lightest I have been in 10 years!! I used to get chronic headaches that started about 4 years ago.. and I haven't had one since the surgery!! I love it and would recommend it to anyone!!

10-26-2007, 10:11 PM
Happy for you Kelbear

10-27-2007, 10:00 AM
Kelbear??? was just wondering what your doctor had to say about the long term effects the surgery has with anemia and the effects it has on your gallbadder??? and what did he say about multivitamins, iron, and vit B12 also?? just wondering if any of those things have changed with the surgery or not......

I had mine done over 25 years ago..(Gastric Bypass)(me, my sister, and her best freind all had it done at the same time)...and was just wondering what has changed since then and what has not.....

or anyone else that has had it done in the last couple of years feel free to comment.....

thanks ahead of time....:)

and I just thought I would add.....I was 300 pounds when I had it done at age 15 in Illinois....I have always kept my weight off even when pregnant, the most I gained was 22 pounds....I generally stay at 142 to 145 which is a very good weight for me....if I loose anymore than that my face really thins out to much.......it was a pretty wild ride for me being in my teens....I lost all my weight in right at a year....when I came back to school the following year...NOBODY knew who I was....I went from Grape Ape (was my nick name back then, cause my name is April)....to who are you!!!!!needless to say the rest of high school was totally different .......

10-27-2007, 10:22 AM
I did not even know they did the surgury 25 years ago.. Have you had any issues over the years?

There are numerous vitamines you have to take after surgury from what i understand. B12 B complex a multi and omega's. The ones who have had the surgury can tell you more. I am going by my memory which is not the best.. lol

10-27-2007, 10:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr. &amp; Mrs. T_wolfe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kelbear??? was just wondering what your doctor had to say about the long term effects the surgery has with anemia and the effects it has on your gallbadder??? and what did he say about multivitamins, iron, and vit B12 also?? just wondering if any of those things have changed with the surgery or not......

I had mine done over 25 years ago..(Gastric Bypass)(me, my sister, and her best freind all had it done at the same time)...and was just wondering what has changed since then and what has not.....

or anyone else that has had it done in the last couple of years feel free to comment.....

thanks ahead of time....:)

and I just thought I would add.....I was 300 pounds when I had it done at age 15 in Illinois....I have always kept my weight off even when pregnant, the most I gained was 22 pounds....I generally stay at 142 to 145 which is a very good weight for me....if I loose anymore than that my face really thins out to much.......it was a pretty wild ride for me being in my teens....I lost all my weight in right at a year....when I came back to school the following year...NOBODY knew who I was....I went from Grape Ape (was my nick name back then, cause my name is April)....to who are you!!!!!needless to say the rest of high school was totally different .......</div></div>

As long as I follow the recommended diet and take all my multivitamins and prescriptions then I shouldn't have any long term effects. I take a prescription to protect my gallbladder during rapid weightloss. He will do blood tests at a follow up visit for vitamin deficiencies. Wow.. good for you and your weightloss.. I didn't know they did gastric bypass that long ago. Did you have any longterm effects??

Jackie B
10-27-2007, 11:50 AM
Wow April, you are so petite, I had no idea you could ever have been big. Good for you!

Kelbear, are you taking photos as the weight comes off? Like before and afters? I'd love to see some progress pictures. Fiftey pounds in a couple of months is amazing.

Funny that you haven't had any headaches though. I thought rapid weight loss would cause headaches, from all the toxins and junk from the fat going into your blood stream suddenly.

I fasted for a week before, and I could hardly get out of bed the first few days from the severe headache, muscle aches, and lower back pain.

10-27-2007, 02:31 PM
My surgeon told me that I was retaining water and probably lost about 1/2lb of water off my brain that was causing pressure in my neck and causing headaches... makes sense to me.. I don't have the pressure in the back of my neck anymore... I did take some b4 pics.. and I am gonna take some at 50lbs lost.. so in a few days or so.. then I will post them..

10-27-2007, 05:16 PM
I am two years out. During the rapid weight loss I to took a prescription to keep from forming gallstones, as rapid weight loss can do that. I know with my surgeon if you had complications with your gallbladder in the past he would remove your gallbladder at time of gastric bypass if there was no history we take a prescription. I now continue to take calcium, iron and multivitamin along with 1 vitamin B12 injection a month. For those you have had the surgery be sure that your vitamins do not contain sulphate that burns a hole in your stomach and some iron pills have that.

Some rules for vitamin supplements:

Take iron (ferrous FUMERATE only, NOT ferrous SULFATE!)
Iron is NOT a friendly vitamin. Take iron ALONE, NOT with other meds, juice, dairy products, calcium, etc....ALONE (ok with Vit C and Calcium Citrate only), or it will be useless. We have a VERY hard time absorbing iron, so this is very important!

Take Calcium CITRATE, NOT Calcium Carbonate. Not Tums (This is carbonate). We do not absorb the carbonate! There are some other types we do absorb, one is elemental calcium. Calcium also needs Vit D and Magnesium to work. If your calcium does not have these in the tablet, then you must add Magnesium and more Vit D also. The Calcium listed on the price list above DOES contain the D & Magnesium. Another brand is "Citrical Plus" - ultradense calcium citrate with Magnesium, D and minerals, which can be purchased in most pharmacies or large grocery stores.

You can use children's chewables COMPLETES...like Flintstones COMPLETES, or a generic brand as long as it says COMPLETES, right after surgery (when you can't take large pills yet), but double the dosage on the label as we only absorb about 50% of it. But a regular adult multi-vitamin, either swallow or chewable is better long-term because it contains more essential vitamins than the children's. Remember to double the dosage on any multi you take, not just chewables.

Vitamins A,D,E and zinc and C (and any others you may add)......
use only DRY tablets....we do not absorb anything in an oil type gel cap, or ones that are enteric coated, or time-release versions.

B-12 injections....you can get a perscription from your primary doctor for a vial of B-12 that will give you about 30 injections. The B-12 is quite inexpensive. I paid under $5 for the vial, and that was regular price (less than my copay would have been.)
If you don't like injections, you can use the B-12 sublinguals. They melt under your tongue like nitroglycerin tabs for heart patients. You can get them many places, including GNC stores. If you choose the sublinguals, you will need to take them daily, whereas the injections are monthly.

Remember, these are the BASICS. If your labwork shows drops in any areas, then these amounts will have to be adjusted.

Some additions.....
Problems with hair loss or brittle nails....add Biotin
Problems absorbing Calcium......add Boron
Problems absorbing iron.........add Copper

10-27-2007, 05:49 PM
This was an information sheet I got from my seminar on drugs that we should stay away from and others that we can take.

Anaprox................. Ansald................
Anthra-G.............. Arthropan............. Ascriptin.............. Aspirin................ Asproject............... Azolid............... Bextra ................
Celebrex........... Clinorial................
Darvon compounds................. Disalcid................. Dolobid............... Erythromycin............ Equagesic................ Feldene.............. Fiorinal.............. Ibuprofin.............. Indocin............... Ketoprofen.............. Lodine................ Meclomen...............
Motrin................. Nalfon...............
Pamprin-IB............... Percodan.............. Ponstel................... Rexolate.............. Tandearil............. Tetracycline..........

ALL "NSAIDS" (*see below for the Cox 2 Inhibitors)


Tylenol ..............
Triaminics (All).........
Tylenol (cold products).......
Tylenol Ex Strength..........
Gas-X ..........
Imodium Ad..........
Fleet [censored]..........
Milk of Magnesia.........

* copied with permission:
Bextra is the newest, next generation of NSAIDS. It is simply an anti-inflammatory with no compound to aid in the protection of our GI systems.

I want to help everyone understand the reason NSAIDS are dangerous for us. Contrary to popular belief, it is not just that they are "pouch burners" as the industry wants us to believe. It goes much deeper than that. According to an article published in the June 1999 New England Journal of Medicine, NSAIDS, once absorbed into the blood stream cause a chain of chemical reactions that affect the prostaglandins and this in turn reduces the production of mucus in the GI system. The mucus is what lines our GI system and protects our pouch and intestines from damage.

If the mucus production is reduced, this would allow ANYTHING, including eating something with too sharp of an edge or foods that are extremely spicy, to inadvertently begin a marginal ulcer. The best answer is to avoid NSAIDS at all cost. Taking an H2 receptor drug such as Prilosec, Prevacid or Nexium is only a band-aid and no guarantee that it will protect you.

If you are desperate to try an NSAID, my recommendation would be Arthrotec. It is an NSAID with a prostaglandin compound in it that tries to prevent the chemical chain of events I was speaking of in the above paragraph. There are still no guarantees. You are at risk for marginal ulcers any time you take an anti-inflammatory medication.

Ultram is a mild narcotic and can be habit forming, so I would notrecommend more than a six week course of it at any one time.

10-27-2007, 06:33 PM
Yeah I have had some problems over the years....I did have my gallbladder taken out 10 years ago....doc said it was full to the max with gallstones....that was due to my surgery.....

I was the youngest person at the time (1982) to ever have this surgery done..I was in Critical Care for 3 days, dont remember much of that with tubes going everywhere and then after that I was in the hospital for 5 more days....lost almost 20 pounds the first week.......

I had a bleeding ulcer about 7 years ago....or atleast they thought it was an ulcer, the doctor said it could have been a staple sticking through and causing it to bleed..I lost alot of blood and had to have a transfusion 4 pints....but I haven't had any more trouble with it since

the worst trouble I have had other than the throwing up when I was younger every time I ate, didnt matter what I ate I threw it up (from 16 to 21 years of age) (sometimes now I get sick but only from over eating or milk products cant drink milk at all and haven't been able to since my surgery) is my anemia....I still have it... in the last 15 years I have had 5 transfusions..my last one was 3 years ago here...I had 3 pints.....I take liquid iron now and Vit B12 that dissolves under the toungue ....I just started the new B12 last week.....hopefully I wont have to have any more of the shots for iron or b12....
I HATE them.....my arms and legs hurt from the shots for atleast 4 hours afterwards so bad I have to lay down.....so I dont like them... I am tired of being tired all the time...

but such is life.....I have never had problems gaining weight...if I put on a pound or two all I have to do is drop bread or soda but I dont drink much of that anymore....I can pretty much eat what ever I want except drink milk and if meat if to over cooked it doesnt agree with me or if something is to rich it will but other than that everything is pretty much ok....I still cant eat as much as everybody else at the table and it takes me longer to eat cause you have to chew your food really good, and that took me a few years to get use to but now it doesnt bother me at all.......

10-27-2007, 11:14 PM
Wow it seems you had a rough time after your surgery.. Glad you are doing ok now...really makes me think about what I have gotten myself into.. I will make sure I take all my vitamins and make sure I do everything to avoid complications. thanks for your info..

10-27-2007, 11:23 PM
If you are interested in the Mini Gastric Bypass.. Please read the manual at http://www.clos.net the directions following surgery compared to the RNY differ slightly.

10-28-2007, 07:11 AM
wow ....sure has changed alot then since I had it done for sure...in and out of the hospital in 24 hours....I had to wait 3 days after I came out of CC for my stomach and bowels to start making regular noises just so I could have water to drink..LOL....

I have always thought about having mine reversed especially in the last 10 years but I know that it would be a major surgery just like it was years ago and I dont want to take a chance on something really going wrong....

well I am very glad to hear that your surgery Kelbear is going so good and everybody on else on here that had it done....

It IS a life changeing experience!!!

CONGRATS!!!!!!!! on the weight loss eveyone!!!!!!!

10-28-2007, 08:17 PM
kelbear, sounding great! good for you. iknow how good i feel. i was just talking to a friend whos friend had the surgery almost a year ago. she has not been taking her vitamins and that really worries me. apparently she is feeling really tired. it is so important to follow the guidelines to keep healthy!!!

10-28-2007, 08:34 PM
It's also really important to get the protein shakes in....I had such a hard time with them. Gagged every time. I have finally found one I can tolerate, at juice in the same building at goodlife. MMMMM they are yummy.

10-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Are they expensive??

10-28-2007, 10:57 PM
it is 5$ for a huge one. It takes me about an hour to drink it. I have tried so many powders bought a blender tried different variations and I always always gag. This is the first one I really really enjoy so I go get one after I work out at vibrogym. I got about 2 times a week to get a shake, or if I am hungry or craving some junk food. It takes the cravings away and makes you feel full.

10-29-2007, 01:47 PM
THanks for the info.. I will have to try one out!!

10-29-2007, 10:24 PM
For those who had their surgery in the USA, did you have to provide information to OHIP regarding the services that are available and the wait lists that exist for the same services in Canada? My doctor told me that I would need to provide this information on my OHIP form. Not sure where to start with this. Some help with this would be appreciated. Thanks

10-29-2007, 11:11 PM
I didn't .. because the surgery I had isn't performed in canada.. so I didn't provide any of this info.. and still got approved. However you can get this info easily enough.. let me know when and if you need it and I might beable to help you out.

10-29-2007, 11:13 PM
Yes I had to provide it but I didn't have the same procedure as Kel. I have all the info if you want let me know. If you are filling out the OHIP forms let me know and I can let you know how to answer each question so that you get approved. Sometimes they are huge sticklers I know some people who have had to apply many many times.

10-30-2007, 05:49 PM
Went and had one of those protein shakes today.. man was it good..

10-31-2007, 12:23 PM
yeah i know...I usually do the tropical ones...

10-31-2007, 02:29 PM
I went for another today.. got a tropical ambrosia one.. or something like that.....Delicious whatever it is.. going on 2 hours to drink it though...lol

10-31-2007, 07:29 PM
I am totally bummed!!! I have been told I could be looking at Spring before I can get in to see a psychologist to have my assessment done for the MGB. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

11-01-2007, 10:47 AM
I am sooo annoyed with my doc. I wish i could fire her [censored]!!!
Its been five months and my ohip referal is still on her damn desk. I call once a week and always get the same thing from the receptionist!!! Once she does that is it gonna take another year for her to get on the other things.

Does anyone know the name of nurse practicianer who specializes in this surgury. I think she works independantly..

11-01-2007, 02:02 PM
Get all the forms you need again. Fill them out yourself, make an appointment with your doctor have her sign them infront of you and then send them off yourself, priority mail so that the person at the other end must sign for it. This way you can track it. Of course make sure you keep a copy of it. If you need help filling out the forms let me know. There are specific ways you need to fill out the forms for them to get processed easily and without question. This is exactly what I did. I was tired of waiting for my doctor so I did it all myself. There are also letters you should right to send with your package. I have my "holy bible of GBP" it is a binder of everything I have put together from my application to letters to pre and post op notes from the doctor and anything else that had to do with the surgery. You need help please let me know.

11-01-2007, 02:10 PM
thanks Magic

I had the form filled out for her. Just needed her to sign and she seemed like she was behind me. Its been on her desk ever since. She is in elliot lake, but i suppose I will have to make another appointment and try to get there /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

11-01-2007, 02:16 PM
I really had to ride my docs case for awhile. There came a time where the surgeon needed her to send my medical file and she kept saying she would she would she would well twomonths later she hadn't done it so finally I called everyday for a week, then on friday I went into the office at 2pm and told them I wanted my file and wanted it now and I wasn't leaving until I got it. Guess what I got it. and I faxed it to my surgeon myself. Hopefully it won't go that far for you but sometimes you have to take extra measures to get what you need done. Now my doctor drops everything and makes time to see me. Funny how her care changed once my weight did.

11-01-2007, 02:39 PM
wish i had a more aggressive personally so times /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif
I will make an appointment though and see what happens. thanks for the suggestion.

11-01-2007, 08:30 PM
She is lucky that she isn't my doctor.. I don't know how you can deal with it.. I would be flipping on her and in her office everyday.. I know that you live too far away to do that though.. and maybe that is why she is taking her time... .. next time you call.. and she says it isn't done... tell them that you might die while waiting for her to sign the papers...

11-01-2007, 09:21 PM
I was annoyed this morning and said that to the receptionist. Not her fault though
come with me kel and yell at my doc for me k /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/blush.gif

11-02-2007, 12:01 PM
If I didn't have school and a family.. I would be there ... goodluck...I don't know how you deal with the frustration.. I thank god everyday for my wonderful doctor!!

11-02-2007, 07:39 PM
Well I had my psychologist evaluation today and he said I'm good to go. So now I have my ohip approval and my evaluation so now I have to decided if this is what I really want to do. I just wish they were still doing it in Bay City.

11-02-2007, 08:12 PM
good for you tippy.. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/beerchug.gif
its kind of ironic. I want it sooo bad and have to wait for everything. docs not moving on it at all. You are not sure you want it and all is a go. Can i borrow your ID /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

11-02-2007, 09:32 PM
/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif yeah sure.

The psychologist was Dr. Cook and he came in from Toronto. I guess he come here only a couple times a year.
He doesn't think I weigh enough for the surgery but said that if it is what I want then he is ok with it. I have recently lost 20 pounds in the last couple weeks because of another health issue.

I have two problems with having the surgery. 1 is I'm awaiting surgery out of town asap as soon as they can find me a neurosurgeon so I have to consider that and the 2nd reason is I'm not sure I can afford to pay for 2 people, me and someone else to go all the way to Vegas or Florida.

So there are lots of things to consider. Plus the fact that there has been so many recent complications with this surgery makes me very worried as well.

I just don't know what to do.

P.S. Keep in mind it has taken me a long time to get this far. I've been doing this since June. That is when I sent in my application for ohip. It definitely wasn't a fast process.

11-02-2007, 09:54 PM
June for me too and I am still at square one /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

You will just to think it over really well and make a choice. Its a big decision!!
We will have to have another meeting soon.

Jackie B
11-02-2007, 09:55 PM
Tippy, my husband just flew out of Detroit to Las Vegas for $180.29 round trip with flight insurance. He's there right now, on his way back tonight. When he was there the last time, he stayed at a hotel for $17/night. It was called Whiskey Pete's, which sounds worse than it was. It was a normal hotel, but it was affiliated with a casino, so they hoped you would spend your money on the slots, not the rooms. You and your support person could probably go there and back for under $1000 including gas money from here to Detroit and back, plus the exchange ratew is in your favour.

11-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Tippy..not sure what surgery you are wanting or looking at having. I had my surgery in Rochester NY. The surgeon is the top of the line surgeon was also on Oprah a few years ago. He has more canadian patients than American ones...Anyways if the RNY is a procedure you are remotely interested in that is an option for you. If I had to do it over again I would do the exact same thing. Anyways just thought you should know that you wouldn't have to go all the way to vegas or florida if you didn't want to and there is also a bariatric clinic in Detroit. The Henry Ford clinic I believe and they deal a lot with canadian patients. You can check out http://www.obesityhelp.com/ in case it hasn't been posted this is a great place to get info share experiences and fin out where there are clinics and centers that perform the different procedures.

11-03-2007, 11:53 AM
Thanks guys. It is a HUGE decision for me. I don't even met the weight requirement for this surgery but do have other factors that allows me to have the surgery; so that is what makes it really hard. If I was really overweight then I think I wouldn't be struggling like I am, I would just have the surgery. But because apparently I'm not that big it makes it harder. Does that make any sense?

11-03-2007, 12:12 PM
Yes it does make sense.. you are just thinking of your safety and your health. I am still doing and feeling great and still losing weight.. it has really slowed, but that is probably because I can eat more now. I have had no complications at all.. you don't have to rush into this.. you will make the right decision in your own time.

11-03-2007, 04:32 PM
Thanks Kelbear.

11-04-2007, 09:12 PM
yes tippi, it makes total sense. you have to do what is right for you. write a list of all the pros and cons for and against and see what it says. sometimes when we think about it the same thoghts just keep rattling around, but when you list them and write them out you can make more sense of it. maybe that would help a bit.

eddited to add: good kelbear, im glad all is going well for you! i noticed the weight loss would stop and start. i did my measurements also, and i would loose inches when i wouldnt loose weight. i would also loose off my ankles and wrists on time, then off my torso the next time. im glad i did the inches, it really helped my moral when the weight slowed down.

11-13-2007, 12:55 AM
Well here it is.. 50 lbs down.. Here is the b4.. and after... I
hate looking at the before.. makes me sick...lol


11-13-2007, 12:57 AM
Kelly you look beautiful!!!!!

Jackie B
11-13-2007, 08:49 AM
Wow! You look amazing Kelly! Keep up the good work!

11-13-2007, 11:03 AM
Hey Jackie - a little off topic, but I was looking at that Whiskey Petes place, because I am going to Vegas in Feb. - it is almost 45 minutes outside of Las Vegas!! 40 miles from the strip! No wonder they are so cheap for rooms!

11-13-2007, 12:01 PM
Wow you look like a totally different person. I think you should post the before pics. Awesome!

11-13-2007, 05:08 PM
Hey u look great and Ive only seen you once!!

11-13-2007, 05:49 PM
Thanks guys.. I appreciate it.. added the b4s ....
however I can't wait to lose more.. I went out that night I took that picture.. and got lots of great comments... made me feel really good about myself..

11-14-2007, 12:34 PM
KelBear -- you look so good, so different.
Good for you!

11-14-2007, 02:26 PM
Wow KelBear you look fantastic!! Congrats!

11-14-2007, 05:19 PM
wow kel, that is wonderful!!! it just keeps getting better and better. how are you feeling now? how is the food going down?

11-14-2007, 06:11 PM
I have another health issue that isn't related to the surgery in anyway, as a matter of fact I have been dealing with it for almost a year now, and it is getting worse.. they aren't sure what is causing my pain in my lower abdomen, whether it's a cyst on my ovaries or something in my bowels. Now that I have lost 53 pounds I am having my 4th ultrasound this year to have another look and see if they can see anything they couldn't see b4. As well in the new year I am having a colonoscopy to see if the pain is something in my bowels.

As for how the surgery has affected me... I can eat just about everything, but I find certain foods affect me differently, therefore I can only eat certain amounts of certain foods. Veggies and fruit are tolerated the best, and that I can eat the most of, where fatty foods or breaded or just plain bread my stomach doesn't like and I can only have a bite or 2 of. I still eat a lot of soups and avoid most of the noodles or rice. The weight is still coming off .... slowly.. but that is for the best I guess.

11-14-2007, 10:27 PM
You would think if you had all these pains in your stomach, that they would have done a colonoscopy to make sure everything was ok with your bowels?

11-15-2007, 10:17 AM
I am having one done in the new year.. I said that in my post... but you know our healthcare system.. take an average of 3 - 4 months to have anything done...

11-15-2007, 11:39 AM
I'm surprised you didn't have it done before the weight loss surgery. I hope everything goes well. I've had the colonoscopy and the worst part is the prep. for it. the test itself isn't bad at all. Good Luck.

11-15-2007, 03:43 PM
I had 4 ultrasounds.. they kept telling me that it was my endomitriosis acting up.. not my bowls... I even asked if it could be my bowls or my bladder... and they were sure it wasn't... so here I am now... and they have changed their minds...

11-15-2007, 04:26 PM
Thats what I meant, having it done before the surgery. I hope everything goes ok for you.

11-15-2007, 06:12 PM
well i sure hope they can get it cleared up for you asap. im glad that all the surgery stuff is going well. theres a few things that im not even going to try and see. ice cream is one. 'they' say the lactose intolerance will go away, but i just dont want to find out. i can get along fine without knowing. also, my favorite international coffee - i was addicted to it. i wont even try it - not once - i dont want to know that i can tolerate it - ill be better off without it. not supposed to have it anyway. i seem to have an aversion to veggies though and i dont understand why. they dont make me sick, but when i think about eating them i get a strange different feeling and just cant eat them all that much. terrible, they are the best thing for you too. anyway, glad all is going well. keep us posted eh!

11-20-2007, 01:52 AM
Lots of good discussion/questions/information here...if anyone is interested in learning about the RNY procedure, the people from Munson in Traverse City will be doing a seminar in Sault MI on Thursday Dec. 6th. I posted info in an earlier message.

Just some info that those considering surgery may want to know:

I just was made aware that the family docs in the Sault had a meeting about 2 weeks ago and discussed signing the request for approval for surgery outside of Ontario. They agreed to "suspend" signing these forms until they get legal advice from the organization where they buy their malpractice insurance...for some reason, unknown to me and most others, they believe there is a risk of getting sued because, from what i was told, OHIP will not pay for follow up in the US. I don't know if this is routine follow up or if something happens. I do know that if a problem occurs a family doc can apply to OHIP to send the person to the doc who did the surgery. I do not know how many family docs attended this meeting, why this issue came up or when it will be resolved but I will let you know if I find anything else out.

If you are looking for info re the different procedures, post op diet etc, I and others have found the book, the Weight Loss Guide for Dummies to be a good resource book. You can buy it at amazon.ca for about $15. Here is a link to the site:

Also, for those considering the surgery but if you don't have a supportive family doc or any family doc at all, you might want to go in and talk to Dr. Linda Benedek at Celebration Weight Management. She has a 6 month behaviour management program, which includes visits with her every 2 weeks, a fitness test and sessions with a dietitian. If she feels you are a candidate for surgery, she is willing and able to refer you, will order any preop tests, blood work etc, and will do follow up.Her visits are covered by OHIP but the program including the fitness test, dietitian, books, pedometer is $600. There is no charge for the first visit and I was able to pay the $600 over 3 months, which would be the same as weight watchers and most other programs and this is not a diet program. http://celebrationmedical.ca/

WLS did not cure my eating disorder but for the first time in my life, I am hopeful I will be able to manage it...I probably did it backwards, having the surgery first then dealing with the behaviours that led to my life long struggle with obesity but it doesn't really matter to me...I now accept that I am a work in progress.

11-20-2007, 01:48 PM
This is some good info... especially for you Babz... since your doc isn't any help.. you may want to look into this ... you never know.. with your doc you could wait another year for her to sign anything.

11-20-2007, 02:12 PM
When I had my surgery it was required for me to go to the surgeon for check ups 1 month, 3 month 6 month and then 1 year followed after that once a year. Included in the fees for the surgery was the 1 and 3 month check up but the check ups after that would cost me $120 USD. Being that I had no complications, I had the surgeon fax my doctor a list of bloodwork that he would want to see. SO I went through my own surgeon after that as OHIP would not cover the cost of follow ups. Nor did I want to travel 5 hours each way only to see the nurse for 10 minutes. Been a little over two years and still no complications and all is well.

11-20-2007, 02:31 PM
I told the receptionist i was going to be in elliot on thursday to pick up my signed ohip form /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
wish me luck

Jackie B
11-20-2007, 04:39 PM
Good for you Babzz! Stand up for yourself girl!

11-20-2007, 05:15 PM
keep at it babzz

11-27-2007, 11:17 PM
For all of you that had surgery... Should I be worried?? I haven't lost weight in about 2 weeks.. I actually went up 2 lbs then back down 1 lb. Am I just on a plateau?? or what?? thanks guys

11-28-2007, 08:09 AM
Your body is just catching up to you....no worries it happens. Don't worry about the scale my surgeon told me to throw it out. Take your measurments. Eventhough the scale numbers aren't moving your body needs adjustment time, and you are probably losing inches. I based my weight loss on the measurments. Increase water intake, increase exercise a bit more and all should be good. My surgeon also said if I was worried about this that I could gp back to diet 1 or 2 and this will stimulate weightloss again, if you end up in a slump for a long time. Good luck.

Babzz did you get your papers when you were in elliot lake?

11-28-2007, 09:52 AM
no papers /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

11-29-2007, 10:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KelBear</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have another health issue that isn't related to the surgery in anyway, as a matter of fact I have been dealing with it for almost a year now, and it is getting worse.. they aren't sure what is causing my pain in my lower abdomen, whether it's a cyst on my ovaries or something in my bowels. Now that I have lost 53 pounds I am having my 4th ultrasound this year to have another look and see if they can see anything they couldn't see b4. As well in the new year I am having a colonoscopy to see if the pain is something in my bowels.

Well had an another ultrasound... I have a cyst that is 6cm in diameter.. my doc wants me to have the ultrasound repeated in 6 weeks... even after knowing that I have been dealing with this pain for almost a year!! Well I put my foot down with his secretary and told her I will not wait till then to have them refer me to Dr.Amimi to do it NOW!! Well she didn't seem too impressed with me... but it's my health!! I can't take pain killers due to my MGB. I don't want to deal with the pain any longer than I have to!! SO thank god it isn't my bowels.

12-02-2007, 05:23 PM
good for you kel!!!

about your weight, are you taking your measurements? i found i lost inches OR weight, but usually not both at the same time.

12-02-2007, 10:10 PM
No I haven't taken any measurements... I did before surgery, but not lately...I am now down 64lbs ....still losing... just hit a couple of weeks there when I didn't lose anything...kinda got me worried.. I am so used to failing at every weight loss plan I try...

12-02-2007, 10:19 PM
i know, its hard to believe it is for real this time!

01-02-2008, 11:04 PM
Hey all,

I was wondering if there is anyone out there that has regretted having surgery and if so why?

Also, I was recently told that those that fail at MGB get threatened if they go public with their problems. Anyone else every hear this?

01-02-2008, 11:27 PM
Never heard of that. What would they be threatened with?

01-03-2008, 12:45 AM
I have not heard that either?

01-03-2008, 12:40 PM
I have no idea what they could have been threatened with either. I thought it was a strange comment.

01-03-2008, 12:53 PM
DOn't let that bull stop you from doing what you want.. I had the surgery.. and it was the best thing I ever did in my life.. NO REGRETS!! My sister inlaw is having it done in 2 weeks.. I will let you know how she does. 4 more pounds and I will be under 200lbs!!

01-03-2008, 06:49 PM
thats great to hear....congrads!

I am working on my packet and hoping to have surgery soon. ...the packet is a bit overwhelming though.

01-03-2008, 07:48 PM
Kitca and I are working on getting Kim H from the CLOS MGB surgury to come here to the soo for a presentation. She has agreed to come. It will be happening soon and will post soon regarding the date and location.

01-03-2008, 10:01 PM
i had the mgb almost 2 years ago and i have absolutly no regrets. just the opposite, i want to tell people about it so they know there is hope.

as for threatening? never heard of that, threaten with what? i dont think anyone wants to hear negitave comments about something they are involved in, maybe thats it?

i just know, whatever the gastric bypass, i highly recommend it, and after my research i much preferred the mgb to the rny. but i think a person needs to do the research and check out the pros and cons of each option.

01-13-2008, 02:04 AM
It's been almost 5 months since surgery, and I am now down 70lbs. Just thought I would add some pics of the new me!

Me and my fiance and our daughter...

01-13-2008, 09:25 AM
wow kelly
You look amazing!!!

Bill Nash
01-13-2008, 09:48 PM
Looking good, Kel! I bet you are just like me, .... no regrets!

01-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Oh no... none at all.. my sister in law leaves for Vegas in the am... having surgery on wednesday.. can't wait to see her results!!

01-13-2008, 09:58 PM
By the way lost another 2lbs since taking that pic... I love it!!

01-13-2008, 11:11 PM
Congrats KelBear, you look great! You're one hot mama!

01-14-2008, 07:51 AM
Thanks JKnxdk... I appreciate that...

01-15-2008, 06:13 PM
oh wow kel, isnt it just so wonderful! you look fantastic. but it is how good you feel that is the best of all.

(kim hazen is going to come to town for a support meeting/ beginner info session. babzz asked her to come and she said yes. babzz will be putting it up soon with dates and places and all that. )

01-15-2008, 10:29 PM
Great .. I can't wait to show off the new bod!!

Jackie B
01-15-2008, 11:16 PM
Hey Kelbear. I am wondering if this is something your SIL was thinking about before, or if it was ultimately your results that motivated her to get it done? I'm assuming from how long it seems to be taking everyone on here to get all their ducks in a row, she had it planned before?

01-16-2008, 08:10 AM
Sunday Feb. 17th at 12 noon
Knights INN (formally the Canadian)
410 Pim Street, Sault Ste Marie, ON

Kim Hazen from the http://www.clos.net will be there to share information with anyone interested in the Mini Gastric Bypass Surgury or for those who have had the surgury and want to share pictures and success stories. All are welcome!!!

Kim Hazen

CLOS Director of Michigan

Phone: 989-450-8081

Fax: 989-671-9813

Email: khazen@clos.net

01-16-2008, 02:39 PM
Well no.. she really didn't have the whole process started..she had my help with what to do.. and after seeing my results she was sure it was something she wanted to go ahead with. She was lucky to not have any problems with her application to OHIP and was approved in 5 days. She is having surgery today.. can't wait to hear from her.

I will start a facebook event for the meeting ... OK??

01-16-2008, 02:46 PM
great kelly
Go for it!!

01-17-2008, 08:13 PM
My Sister in Law had her surgery yesterday and is doing great, she had ZERO pain after surgery! However is a bit tired. She is in Las Vegas and can't wait to get out site seeing!!!

01-17-2008, 08:17 PM
I called my doc again today. My quest for the next few weeks is to call everyday until they are sick of hearing my voice!!!!

01-17-2008, 09:57 PM
keep at it babzz, there is no excuse for them to take so long. that really makes me mad the sh@t that dr is doing. string you along for this long, it is just stupid. hope you get some resolution soon.

01-17-2008, 11:18 PM
A daily call from me will get annoying and maybe they will do something!!

02-04-2008, 03:30 PM
Another pic of me....80 pounds down... and new hair-do


02-04-2008, 05:13 PM
WOW!!!! fantastic. i bet youre feeling wonderful eh.

02-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Kelbear you look wonderful! And I LOVE the new dooo too.

02-04-2008, 06:33 PM
Wow it feels great doesn't it? You look awesome and I love the hair. Good for you, I'm happy for ya.

02-04-2008, 06:35 PM
wow Kelly!~!!!
YOu look incredible!! Love the hair too /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

02-04-2008, 07:26 PM
damn your looking good girl, hey sent you an msn message did you get it

02-04-2008, 07:55 PM
Thanks guys!!

02-15-2008, 12:20 AM
you look FANTASTIC!!!! WTG!

02-15-2008, 03:49 PM
My RNY gastric bypass surgery is scheduled for February 29th,2008 leap year! I'm pumped but scared at the same time!

02-15-2008, 05:31 PM
congrats ducky!! its a wonderful ride. you want to come to the meeting at the canadian this sunday? its a different surgery, but you can meet a bunch of folks who have had it or going to have it.

02-16-2008, 01:05 AM
Lookin' hot KelBear!!!

03-01-2008, 01:14 PM
I was under the impression that even though your stomach was smaller, it could still stretch yet again and gaining the weight back was a definite possibility.

Is this true? I want the surgery and am trying to decide which one is right for me, but am afraid that in 5 to 10 years I would be this weight again.

03-01-2008, 05:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lotsagifts</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was under the impression that even though your stomach was smaller, it could still stretch yet again and gaining the weight back was a definite possibility.

Is this true? I want the surgery and am trying to decide which one is right for me, but am afraid that in 5 to 10 years I would be this weight again.

It's not like that.
If you eat what you are told, that will not happen.
BUT, if you eat MORE then you are reccomended at one sitting, it slowly stretches. Of course, there are even ways just to get around and eat more.. You'll figure out secrets and such to eat more..

I know a gal who had the surgery about 8 years ago at 325lbs. And, went down to 160 or something, real thin. Nice size.. How much do you think she weighs now? Back up there..
After she got her surgery, she went to right away eating Big Macs and stuff..

But generally, your stomach shouldn't stretch back to a normal size. IF you follow the right steps.

03-02-2008, 04:15 PM
I just got back from my RNY Gastric Bypass today. I had it done Friday.. wow is it every painful for me! And guess what the first thing I did when I got home. Went and opened the fridge.. what a force of habit. Many adjustments to do..

03-02-2008, 04:39 PM
I am sure you feel much better in a couple days

03-03-2008, 01:11 PM
Anyone got the fax number of the OHIP office to send your paperwork in. My sister is all ready to do this but lost the number.

03-03-2008, 01:54 PM
pm to you

03-03-2008, 08:35 PM

03-03-2008, 08:41 PM
whats the matter hon??

03-07-2008, 07:51 PM
I Went for my follow up appointment and to have my drain removed. I'm one week post-op and I'm down 16 pounds. Still in a considerable amount of pain tho!

03-07-2008, 09:19 PM
Thats too bad... Had no pain with the MGB or any drain... hope you feel better soon...

03-07-2008, 09:35 PM
What is drained? Why is one needed?

03-08-2008, 10:21 AM
SOmetimes during any surgery.. even the MGB ...a surgical drain is a tube used to remove pus, blood or other fluids from a wound. Drains inserted after surgery do not result in faster wound healing or prevent infection but are sometimes necessary to drain body fluid which may accumulate and in itself become a focus of infection.

03-08-2008, 01:02 PM
Ah....didn't know that. Thanks

03-08-2008, 05:26 PM
Yuck, I'm not a very good "sick" or "in pain" person. Not sure if I want to do this. I think going into it blind and not knowing what "may" happen might be better for me.

03-08-2008, 08:31 PM
THere is no pain involved with the MGB, and a very small amount of people need the drain.

03-08-2008, 08:41 PM
Some people's doctors won't send them for the MGB.. hence why I had to have the RNY. Everyone's bodies are different and heal differently no matter what the surgery is. I'm quite satisfied with my weight loss progess thus far. One day at a time.

03-09-2008, 09:38 PM
my doctor didnt know about the mgb and wanted me to have the rny in detroit. i had researched both surgeries and knew the difference and was able to state why i wanted the mgb. i think because i was very determined and knew my stuff she respected my opinion. now she is very impressed. i think that is what is best, to research it, and the options.

losagifts, it is best to know, even yucky, you are in such a better position. in fact, with the mgb you must know, you have a 15 page questionaire to write to prove you understand. not sure what they do for the rny. they are different surgeries, but end up doing the same thing: make the stomach smaller and bypass a length of intestine, both are done laproscopically (sp?). i wonder if there is more pain involved with the rny since they are removing parts, not just rearranging them?

my pain came from all the gas they pump in, took about 2 days to dissapate(sp?) i returned to work the next week. most people do with the mgb, not sure of rny folks, i seem to remember a longer recovery.

anyway, whatever you do, your health will be so much better and you will feel so incredible.

03-09-2008, 10:28 PM
NOIP - who has had the procedure - MGB and have you had any skin issues - ie saggy, baggy elephant skin? I have heard that some people need to have excess skin remove and other have had their skin shrink back with the weight loss. supposedly, whether or not you did a lot of yo-yo dieting affects skin elasticity. Input please?

03-09-2008, 11:10 PM
different for everyone, but is seems the more you loose the more chance of baggy skin. i dont have it too bad, just floppy arms, some people have it worst on their abdomen area. ive met a few that want the surgery, but only one that needs it, but i think she has lost about 200 pounds. i would much rather have a bit of saggy skin that have that skin filled with fat holding me back and making me sick and tired and killing me. not sure about the yo yo skin elasticity theory. i think age also, the younger you are the more elasticity.

03-10-2008, 08:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Little_Rubber_Ducky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some people's doctors won't send them for the MGB.. hence why I had to have the RNY. Everyone's bodies are different and heal differently no matter what the surgery is. I'm quite satisfied with my weight loss progess thus far. One day at a time.</div></div>

That is why you need to stand up for what YOU want..not what your doctor wants! Doctors need to be educated! I guarantee that if you had the MGB you would be in NO pain right now and back to your normal routine! I have personally talked to hundreds of people and this is the typical experience! It is a fact! Not a matter of "Everybody heals differently" ...read the statistics! Doctors here are so ignorant!! Its not that they don't want people have the MGB, they just don't have the time to look into it so they go with what they know!! There is no way I would have just settled for what my doctor wanted me to have! I fought for it and I won!

03-10-2008, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lazlowe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NOIP - who has had the procedure - MGB and have you had any skin issues - ie saggy, baggy elephant skin? I have heard that some people need to have excess skin remove and other have had their skin shrink back with the weight loss. supposedly, whether or not you did a lot of yo-yo dieting affects skin elasticity. Input please?</div></div>

You get saggy skin no matter what surgery you have I have even met people that have lost weight on their own by dieting and exercise and have saggy skin too. It all depends on how much you have to lose, how old you are and how long you have been over weight. Many factors come into play here. I have now lost 85lbs and will probably have a saggy belly, but will probably get some work done there and be happy with that.

03-10-2008, 09:38 AM
Ok Kelbear. you should be a doctor then, and I would rush to you as a patient! I did fight for almost a year. Figured out that I was waisting time because there was NO way she was signing the papers for the MGB. So I had the RNY. At least I had something done to help myself. All be it that i'm in some discomfort now, I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end. Plus, you don't know my medical background.. there are other things leading to my pain they just all decide to flare up at once. Why are you looking down upon my descision to make myself a healthier person? You should be supportive, like you expect everyone else to be of you.

03-10-2008, 09:56 AM
I am not putting down your decision...I am just upset that you couldn't have your OWN option... I am peeved at the doctors here... yours isn't the only one not wanting to sign for the MGB.. I am sure you will be better off in the end.. I appoligize for making it seem that I am coming down on you... but I am not... I am just mad at the ignorant doctors here...

03-10-2008, 09:58 AM
I was pissed too. I did all the work for it.. tried to explain to her.. and nope.. she sure wouldn't. So I figured, the RNY is better than no surgery at all.

03-10-2008, 10:08 AM
Your right... to be honest after fighting for that long I probably would have had it too... I hope all works out for you and the pain ends soon.. so you can start your new life..

03-10-2008, 10:12 AM
thank you

03-10-2008, 10:39 AM
It took me months to get my doc to sign. I brought her the manual for the mini and filled out the forms for her. Still waiting for ohip but I am learning patience..

Congrats to all who have had this life changing procedure regardless of which one you had! I am sooo ready for it!!

03-21-2008, 11:37 AM

article I found today

03-22-2008, 10:05 PM
not to sound negative because I'm all for any type of procedure that helps people lead a normal life but that is an advertisement for the surgery not an article.

03-23-2008, 09:43 PM
What makes it an advertisement vs. an article?

03-25-2008, 12:06 AM
its paid for by the surgeon who performs the surgery

03-25-2008, 06:45 PM
And it says that where in the article? or sorry... advertisement... cause I am not seeing that. Anyway.. it doesn't really matter what it is.. it's for informational purposes anyway, whether the doctor paid for it or not.

03-26-2008, 02:03 AM
its easy to lose weight just have some will power and go on a crash diet for a bit, then youll lose alot

Bill Nash
03-26-2008, 02:07 PM
You have some learning to do about weight loss. Crash diets and will power fail (statistically) 98% of the time. The MBG is the best thing since sliced bread. I am 10 months out, and have lost 128 pounds and feeling GREAT!!!

03-26-2008, 02:26 PM
They sure do!! the body will respond by gaining the wieght back when you return to "normal diet" and adding another ten pounds for insurance.