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Soundbear
10-22-2007, 07:20 PM
This may be a hoax, but it says a lot:

A lot of truth in this
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
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My confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.
It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Katrina) Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'
In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
My Best Regards.
Honestly and respectfully,

Ben Stein

dancingqueen
10-22-2007, 07:35 PM
It was a good read untill it began speaking about how Katrina was caused by people demanding god out of their lives... As I am sure you are aware the US probably has the largest population of people who belive, so why hasn't Canada been attacked by such a natural disaster... what about India or Austrailia ot Japan ect... This is a terrible way of thinking, and I see many North Americans do this North America is not alone in this world, but this arthur seems to think we are.

The Berean
10-22-2007, 07:43 PM
Thats not quite the way it went:

"How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'"

Do I believe that Katrina was the direct result of America rejecting God. Nope. But, IF, IF global warming played a part, then surely the selfish lifestyle of the western world is a part of it. And selfish usually equates to godless.

dancingqueen
10-22-2007, 08:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ConKat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And selfish usually equates to godless. </div></div>

that's quite a pompus generalisation.

Soundbear
10-22-2007, 08:08 PM
Maybe that's why it says "usually".

One CAN be selfless, and not believe in God. But a self-centred person is not likely to submit to God.

dancingqueen
10-22-2007, 08:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe that's why it says "usually".

One CAN be selfless, and not believe in God. But a self-centred person is not likely to submit to God. </div></div>

well, not only is it a generalisation, but it is a pompus one. I have to ask... are all Christians this arogant?

10-22-2007, 10:48 PM
That post is made up of various composite parts that I have received in different emails over the length of time that the Internet has existed. Did Ruth Anne Graam really say that?

here is the transcript of what was really said.
http://web.archive.org/web/2001091318531...spiritual.shtml (http://web.archive.org/web/20010913185312/http://www.cbsnews.com/earlyshow/healthwatch/healthnews/20010913terror_spiritual.shtml)

peterparker_sault
10-23-2007, 01:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aydeloof</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That post is made up of various composite parts that I have received in different emails over the length of time that the Internet has existed. Did Ruth Anne Graam really say that?

here is the transcript of what was really said.
http://web.archive.org/web/2001091318531...spiritual.shtml (http://web.archive.org/web/20010913185312/http://www.cbsnews.com/earlyshow/healthwatch/healthnews/20010913terror_spiritual.shtml)
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Ummmmm.... I can assure you that the internet started long before Sept 13, 2001.....
Some of you may even be surprised to find out that Nobel Prize Winner Al Gore was NOT the inverter of it. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif
Just a thought.
J

10-23-2007, 06:50 AM
Peter, sometimes, as you know, one uses hyperbole to make a pt.

I was on the internet back when there were no graphics. We used the lynx browser, and pine for email.. .. when Jim Carroll started publishing his Canadian Internet Handbook, there were so few websites in Canada that I was listed there... but thanks for your assurance..

Return of Too Many Daves
10-23-2007, 07:40 AM
I used the internet first, nurr nurr.

10-23-2007, 07:50 AM
Well, I didn't want to come right out and tell him how old I was.. but I was probably playing marbles before Al Gore was a twinkle in his Daddy's eye.

Soundbear
10-23-2007, 09:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe that's why it says "usually".

One CAN be selfless, and not believe in God. But a self-centred person is not likely to submit to God. </div></div>

well, not only is it a generalisation, but it is a pompus one. I have to ask... are all Christians this arogant? </div></div>

I'll bet you think this is arrogant, too.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Return of Too Many Daves
10-23-2007, 09:08 AM
Nah just poppycock.

Soundbear
10-23-2007, 09:12 AM
I must admit, it is nice to have a faith in the One who will have the last word.

Believe it or don't. That's what free will is all about!!!

Return of Too Many Daves
10-23-2007, 09:45 AM
Surely HIS wife will have the last word. Even God isn't above those rules.

dancingqueen
10-23-2007, 11:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dancingqueen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe that's why it says "usually".

One CAN be selfless, and not believe in God. But a self-centred person is not likely to submit to God. </div></div>

well, not only is it a generalisation, but it is a pompus one. I have to ask... are all Christians this arogant? </div></div>

I'll bet you think this is arrogant, too.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


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No, I think saying you are better than other people just because of what you belive in to be arrogant. That passage has no relation to what you said before Barry

10-23-2007, 12:13 PM
The verse Barry quoted has EVERYTHING to do with the theme of ultimate selflessness.

dancingqueen
10-23-2007, 06:19 PM
how is the statement indicating a selfish person is not likely to submit to god related To a passage about God loving the world more than his son, and saying that if you belive in him (not sure which him) that you will live forever? I don't get it...

10-23-2007, 07:04 PM
I think you have about 3 questions/sentences rolled into one.
Can you type a little slower? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Actually, I'm not going to argue for Barry.

I am just saying, John 3:16 is a statement of God's unselfishness.

What that has to do with the rest of the thread, I will leave to Barry.

dancingqueen
10-23-2007, 07:37 PM
there's just one question...
Barry, I look forward to your responce /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

peterparker_sault
10-27-2007, 12:07 AM
I thought John 3:16 had something to do with football?

1337
10-27-2007, 12:29 AM
The Hurriacne sucked, but it wasn't the hurricane that flooded NEW ORLEANS.

Look it up.

The levy's the redirected the water, that most of the New Orleans residents said there has to be something done with them, broke and flooded the city.

The hurricane, just cause them to break free.

THe people of New Orleans demanded for years, and told government officials that it will take one good storm and the levy's would break!


So was it GOD that broke the levys and drowned N'awlins? or Was it the government officials that ignored the cries of the people?

Or was it global warming that broke the levys?

Keep in mind, hurricanes have been pounding that area for thousands of years, so it was no surprise that they had a hurricane.

peterparker_sault
10-27-2007, 08:58 AM
Okay... now I'm really confused.... I thought it was the Tragically Hip that flooded New Orleans..... It's so hard to keep up around here. 8-)

GenX
10-27-2007, 09:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So was it GOD that broke the levys and drowned N'awlins? or Was it the government officials that ignored the cries of the people? </div></div>

Look no further than the local New Orleans government.

The amount of abuse of federal monies that were supposed to go to levee upkeep, etc, is staggering.

Reason #459 why I believe Democrats have no reason to be around any types of power.

The Berean
10-30-2007, 08:47 AM
No control by federal government, right?

1337
10-30-2007, 02:03 PM
Not really, who are they to interfer, unless the local asks the federal to step in.

They refused it, not wanting to waste money on the levys.