Satan at work?

[starterwiz]

Watching The Fifth Estate. It's theme is about how a simple thing like the co-operation of the world has been undermined by a small group of scientists, politicians, and corporations, in an effort to stop the amelioration of global warming.

[GenX]

What Global Warming?

You mean the natural and cyclical occurrence of the earth's temperature rising periodically?

[starterwiz]

MMM...you Bushers like to call it "Climate Change".
And since man is part of nature...yep it's natural.
I wonder what possible agenda you're following that would make you want to be a part of the denial machine?
Could it be...Satan??? /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[GenX]

First tell me what happened to the "impending ice age" the alarmists were telling us about in 1977, and then I'll jump on board your catastrophic bandwagon in 2007.

[starterwiz]

Impending ice age? The ice caps are disappearing.
Won't be long before you're wanting to move to Canada. Hehe. Maybe that's why you hate us...you know we're still gonna have arable land when the southern states turn to burnt desert lol.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be long before you're wanting to move to Canada </div></div>

Gun, meet side of head.

[GRUMPY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be long before you're wanting to move to Canada </div></div>

Gun, meet side of head. </div></div>

Please don't get our hopes up.

[GenX]

The Cooling World

Newsweek

By Peter Gwynne
28 April 1975

There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production — with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas — parts of India, ****stan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia — where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually.

During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree — a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic.

“A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century.” The Cooling World

Read the rest here (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/newsweeks-1975-article-about-the-coming-ice-age)

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grumpy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Won't be long before you're wanting to move to Canada </div></div>

Gun, meet side of head. </div></div>

Please don't get our hopes up. </div></div>

You're right. That is the only known way you guys could ever beat me in a debate.

[1337]

Look up pole shifting on google.

We are worried about the climate warming, when other parts of the earth are experiencing colder than normal weather.

POLE SHIFTING /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Look it up, it's natural and happens!

GUYS, this should be in the political forum.
Just because someone mentioned Satan doesn't make it religious.

ANd haven't you already beaten each other bloody over this issue again and again, ad nauseaum?

[GenX]

But Global Warming is part of the doctrine of the secularist religion.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

I've heard talk of an atheist religion, but this is the first time I've heard of a secularist religion. Ha ha. You talk some rubbish.

[GenX]

Secularists can indeed be religious, sir David. Their religion is of the humanist variety.

You know, one of the best things about this place is the amount of times I can educate you.

I truly enjoy educating you. Granted, I wouldn't have expected a post-doc person to be so ignorant of so much; but, I digress..

[starterwiz]

I'm trying to understand the motivation of those that are part of the denial machine.
There must be more to it than just the greed of not wanting to pay for the fix.
I'm quite sure it's easy to find articles from 30 years agoon pretty much every topic.
T-pot I can understand, but Speedy? Here's a guy that claims to have a strong faith, without 100% absolute proof, and yet demands 100% proof before "jumping on the bandwagon" shared by most of the educated world.


Anyways I found it interesting, especially in light our recent debates here, that the Fifth Estate has spent some time investigating the situation.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Secularists can indeed be religious, sir David. Their religion is of the humanist variety.

You know, one of the best things about this place is the amount of times I can educate you.

I truly enjoy educating you. Granted, I wouldn't have expected a post-doc person to be so ignorant of so much; but, I digress.. </div></div>

Speedy I love it when you get all triumphant, because you are almost invariably completely ignorant to the fact that you are completely wrong.

Of course a secularist can be religious. They can infact be Christian. You are confusing atheism and secularism. Secularist believe in the separation of state and religion, they do not necessarily hold to any particular religion. Sorry Speedy, looks like you might fail that Masters in education (hope you can get a refund - 50 proof of purchases from the back of cereal packets was it).

So what do you say "the secularist religion" is now? Should be worth a laugh. Oh but you avoid responding to these points and try to shift emphasis, or worse disappear for a while. You've only just returned from the last time Hans humiliated you.

[KDawg]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: starterwiz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm trying to understand the motivation of those that are part of the denial machine.
There must be more to it than just the greed of not wanting to pay for the fix.</div></div>

Which "denial machine?" -- that's an interesting label. The denial machine that says global warming is man-made and we need to accept silliness such as taxes on the air we breathe? Or the denial machine that says purchasing carbon offset credits helps the environment, when all it is, is a financial mechanism to transfer wealth from the West to 3rd world nations that aren't even subject to the restrictions of the Kyoto Protocol (that's how they can be on the selling side of that equation)?

If that's what you mean, Starterwiz, then I am firmly part of that denial machine.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Return of Too Many Daves</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Secularists can indeed be religious, sir David. Their religion is of the humanist variety.

You know, one of the best things about this place is the amount of times I can educate you.

I truly enjoy educating you. Granted, I wouldn't have expected a post-doc person to be so ignorant of so much; but, I digress.. </div></div>

Speedy I love it when you get all triumphant, because you are almost invariably completely ignorant to the fact that you are completely wrong.

Of course a secularist can be religious. They can infact be Christian. You are confusing atheism and secularism. Secularist believe in the separation of state and religion, they do not necessarily hold to any particular religion. Sorry Speedy, looks like you might fail that Masters in education (hope you can get a refund - 50 proof of purchases from the back of cereal packets was it).

So what do you say "the secularist religion" is now? Should be worth a laugh. Oh but you avoid responding to these points and try to shift emphasis, or worse disappear for a while. You've only just returned from the last time Hans humiliated you. </div></div>

/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif

The day Hans, or you for that matter, "humiliate" me is the day I leave the Internet! /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif

I love how you came on here, pretending to be some high-brow intellectual, and I got you off your game within weeks. You've been a shell of the artificial Dave for months now, and you'll never let me forget that it was I who made you look the fool.

Carry on, ol' chap /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wavey.gif

[Return of Too Many Daves]

You see, you didn't address the points, ha ha you must be embarassed.

[GenX]

What points?

I didn't read your post.

I get more intellectual stimulation reading the back of a soup can.

Care to summarize what it is I'm supposed to respond to?

[Return of Too Many Daves]

In summary you don't know the difference between secular and atheist. You don't seem to realise that you can be a secularist and of any religion you so choose.

Care to define "the secular religion" that you mentioned earlier?

Good bye for now little man.

[GenX]

"Good bye for now little man", says the guy that has been staring at his computer screen intently for hours,waiting for me to show up.

I certainly do know the difference between a secularist and an atheist. It is you, Sir David, who expressed shock and dismay over the idea a secularist can have a religion.

Perhaps you'd have a better time in here if you realized you are the only one who takes you seriously in here. You'd enjoy it more if you realized you have, purposely or not, set the bar so low for yourself on this board it would be practically impossible for you to disappoint anyone here. No one expects anything from you. Don't sweat it when you fail.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I certainly do know the difference between a secularist and an atheist. It is you, Sir David, who expressed shock and dismay over the idea a secularist can have a religion.

</div></div>

No I didn't can you not read. It was the idea that there was a single secularist religion which you referred to as "the secularist religion".

Care to comment on that? Of course not.

[GenX]

Comment on what?

Global Warming is the current secular religion.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Return of Too Many Daves</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I certainly do know the difference between a secularist and an atheist. It is you, Sir David, who expressed shock and dismay over the idea a secularist can have a religion.

</div></div>

No I didn't can you not read. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Return of Too Many Daves</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've heard talk of an atheist religion, but this is the first time I've heard of a secularist religion. Ha ha. You talk some rubbish. </div></div>

[Return of Too Many Daves]

"a secularist religion"

That does not imply secularists cannot be religious, it implies they are not all of "the secularist religion" (as you put it), there is no single secularist religion.

You can read, but you just see what you want to see.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

Simple question:

What is "the secularist religion"?

There is no way you'll have a go at that one. Too cowardly.

[GenX]

I told you, Dave.

With secularists, their religion changes with the political winds.

Today, it is Global Warming. Yesterday it was Communism. Tomorrow, when Global Warming is proven to be a cruel joke, it will be whatever political issue of the day they grasp to.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

Secularists are more diverse than that. Are you a secularist Speedy? You live in a so called secular country. There is no single secular religion. You really don't know what secular means. How sad. Ask your MSc tutor or supervisor, I'm sure he'll help. A bigger man would admit they made a mistake, but you aren't capable of humility. Isn't that a sin?

[GenX]

Ahhh...the anger rises again.

Don't be so hard on yourself, Davey. Like I said, you're the only one who expects anything of substance from yourself.

Relax, enjoy life. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[Return of Too Many Daves]

You have no answer. Ha ha. I don't know why I am surprised.

[GenX]

The answer is there. That you refuse to see it speaks more to your current anger issues than anything else.

[starterwiz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I told you, Dave.

With secularists, their religion changes with the political winds.

Today, it is Global Warming. Yesterday it was Communism. Tomorrow, when Global Warming is proven to be a cruel joke, it will be whatever political issue of the day they grasp to. </div></div>

Yesterday Protestant, today R.C., tomorrow...???

[GenX]

Do you purposely make sure your posts have no bearing on the issue at hand, or are you just lucky that way?

[Return of Too Many Daves]

No it isn't. There is no such thing as a single secularist religion. That you cannot see that is very sad.

[starterwiz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you purposely make sure your posts have no bearing on the issue at hand, or are you just lucky that way? </div></div>
We all learn from you Speedy!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Return of Too Many Daves</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No it isn't. There is no such thing as a single secularist religion. That you cannot see that is very sad. </div></div>

C'mon, Davey, my point was made crystal clear, and now you're just scrambling to deflect attention from the fact you have once again been taken to school by moi!

[Return of Too Many Daves]

Err no that is the point we've been debating all along. You have tried to divert things away from you error.

What is "the secularist religion"?

Funny thing is it sounded like you were trying to make D'Souza's "atheist religion" argument but you goofed. Atheists and secularists are too different (though not mutually exclusive things).

Clear as crystal? Clear as mud more like.

[GenX]

Surrender accepted.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

Sorry was that a question? Very well I accept your surrender and apology for your silly error and subsequent refusal to acknowledge it.

Some people write their own narrative. /ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

[dancingqueen]

oh my god you two... put your claws away!