Why is that??

[Soundbear]

Ron Paul voted against the Iraq war.

Ron Paul gets more financial support from the military than any other candidate.

Why is that??

[GenX]

Link?

Source??

(don't hold your breath, people)

[GenX]

Seeing as they will be playing hockey in Hell before Barry ever substantiates anything he posts, I'll help him out.

I found this, describing what percent of the military supports which candidate...

Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%Dollar Planes
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Chris Dodd 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

LINK
Barry, I've certainly learned over the past few months in here that math is merely an elective in Canada, but this is still embarrassing.

What this shows us, Barry, is that 73.77% of the military does not support Ron Paul!

[Return of Too Many Daves]

But he asked about financial support, and the reason is that the generals don't like getting their shiny new tanks dirty.

[GenX]

Well, financial support is "support" right?

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seeing as they will be playing hockey in Hell before Barry ever substantiates anything he posts, I'll help him out.

I found this, describing what percent of the military supports which candidate...

Ron Paul 26.23%
Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Bill Richardson 5.59%Dollar Planes
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Duncan Hunter 1.05%
Joe Biden 0.84%
Mike Gravel 0.16%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0.05%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Chris Dodd 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

LINK
Barry, I've certainly learned over the past few months in here that math is merely an elective in Canada, but this is still embarrassing.

What this shows us, Barry, is that 73.77% of the military does not support Ron Paul! </div></div>

Thank you for the coroborating numbers. Ron Paul does indeed get more financial support from the military than any other candidate.

Speedy, you might want to ask the question, in order to understand what I said: Which candidate gets more financial support from the military than Ron Paul? Answer: NONE!!

Hope that helps.

[GenX]

Those numbers are the only ones I could find, and they are six months old.

And what was that you so fondly say about statistics...

Anyways, we'll work with what we have; and what we have tells us 73.77% of the military does not support Ron Paul.

You have a good now, y'hear! [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[Soundbear]

And 95.95 does NOT support Mitt Romney??

All depends on one's point of view!!!

[KDawg]

From the Federal Election Commission:

Military donations received by candidates in the 3rd quarter:

Ron Paul ~$40,000
John McCain ~$20,000
Fred Thompson ~$20,000
Giuliani and Romney barely make it to $5,000.

Very telling.

link

[KDawg]

Here's an answer as to the "why."

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ron Paul knows what it means to support the troops. When policymakers were beating the drums of war against Iraq, Congressman Paul challenged Congress to have an up or down vote on a declaration of war. He stood before Congress in 2002 and warned his colleagues of the grave dangers an invasion of Iraq would bring about. If elected, Dr. Paul will bring the troops home as quickly as safety permits. Dr. Paul will also change our foreign policy to make certain that our soldiers are used to defend this country against those who would be foolish enough to directly challenge her. No more wars of aggression to enforce UN Resolutions, no more hubristic adventures to democratize the Middle East, and no more global police actions to disarm sovereign nations. </div></div>

No wonder Fox News banned Ron Paul from their televised debate.

<a href="http://www.newlibertyusa.com/military_support.htm" target="_blank">
An Iraq war veteran tells why the military will support Ron Paul</a>

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And 95.95 does NOT support Mitt Romney??

All depends on one's point of view!!! </div></div>

Strawman 101!!

Nice try [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif[/img]

[GenX]

The following either voted for the war, voted to keep funding it, or voted "NO" on a proposed timetable of troop withdrawl:

Barack Obama 24.02%
John McCain 18.31%
Hillary Clinton 11.08%
Mitt Romney 4.05%
John Edwards 2.63%
Rudy Giuliani 2.44%
Mike Huckabee 1.84%
Tom Tancredo 1.63%
Joe Biden 0.84%


66.84%

The Military supports people who have (had) supported the Iraq War by a two to one margin.

Semper Fi!!

[GenX]

Well, well, well...

"When the Paul story came out in July, I wrote about this. I went through the pages for Paul and McCain, two individuals who have served in the military with completely opposite views on Iraq. Paul had $23,000 in donations while McCain had $15,000. Just looking at those numbers you know this is hardly going to be a statistically significant study. But since so many people want to pretend it is, let’s go along with it. Doing searches for Navy, Army, Air Force, Marine, USAF, USN, USA, USMC, DOD, Defense, Veteran, Soldier and Military (and, of course making sure anyone that came up on these searches were actually connected to the military – “USA” brought up “Susan” as often as it did someone in the Army), it turns out Paul’s money comes from a total of 23 people, most giving in the $1,000+ range. McCain had more than twice the number of individual contributors – 55. They just gave less money. Why this is the case is up for debate – it could just be because Paul supporters are more activist in general.

But the point is, in terms of numbers, if you can take anything from these findings, it’s that McCain has more support than Paul among those connected with the military who have given money – much more support. After reading Orr’s post, I went back through both Paul and McCain’s contributions again today. McCain still has more than twice the number of contributors as Paul, and he’s actually gained more individual contributors than Paul in the intervening two months. McCain now has 64 to Paul’s 30. So make of that what you will. I think it is pretty statistically insignificant, but if you want to play their game, it means the military is still overwhelmingly on the side of the policies supported by McCain. I haven’t gone through Obama’s contributors yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the people putting this study together took the similar route of taking the conveniently supplied “Contribution by Employer” numbers that showed Paul with some huge groundswell of support.

More commentary from the Michael Goldfarb at the Weekly Standard:

I can't believe people are taking seriously this report showing a shift in the political contributions of active duty personnel away from the Republican party. The report says that contributions to Democrats have jumped to 40 percent this year from just 23 percent in 2004. That would be surprising--even though 60 percent support for Republicans would be considered an enormous landslide in any other subset of Americans--if this was actually an election year. Because it isn't, the numbers are minuscule compared to the contributions of 2004: just $330,000 so far, compared to $1.8 million for 2004.

Anytime you get a sample size that small, you are bound to have some weird things happen--like the fact that Ron Paul has raised more money so far among the military than any other Republican. Ron Paul also won the 'text your vote' portion of the last Republican presidential debate on Fox with some 35 percent support, and yet his support here on planet earth hovers around 1 percent last I heard. What does that mean? That Ron Paul's supporters are passionate. While the rest of the military is unlikely to even pay attention to the presidential contest until some time next year, a couple hundred Ron Paul supporters are sending in contributions--and furiously texting their votes to Fox.

A similar explanation can be applied to why it is that Democrats have closed the fund raising gap a bit among active duty personnel. The soldiers, sailors, Marines, etc. who are frustrated with this administration's policies are paying close attention, and sending money to candidates who they hope will offer a change of course.

The drop in contributions to Republicans—which began nearly the second the war in Iraq did in early 2003—seems to suggest that there is a passionate group of people in the armed services who are looking for ways to express their opinion, said John Samples, director of the Center for Representative Government at the Cato Institute. "This [data] suggests that among the military, the people who feel most intensely about the Bush administration and the war in Iraq are negative about it," Samples said.

I don't doubt that there might be a slight shift, but it is way too soon to tell. $27,000 to Obama--and he's in the lead? Even if you assume that no one mailed in more than $20, that's only 1,350 people, out of an Armed Forces numbering more than 2 million. I'm no statistician, but I would think that any serious analysis would conclude that Mr. Samples's sample size is too small to draw any meaningful conclusions about overall trends.

There are no reliable polls of the active duty military to check this against. Military Times surveys its readership, but those results are skewed by the fact that their participants are disproportionately drawn from the officer corps. And still, their survey found a margin of 72 to 17 in favor of Bush in the last presidential election. Any survey that shows Ron Paul to be a major force isn't worth the paper it's printed on."

LINK

And that, as they say, is that!!

Thanks for stopping by everybody!

Once again, Speedy wins!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

Have a GREAT day!!!

[GenX]

Barry Morris, the guy that will attack anyone that dares to use any statistics (he will use an old Mark Twain quote to try and discredit them) has just been absolutely bashed over the head with his own use of...statistics!!!

[img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif[/img]

Shoulda' took your own advice, Barry boy! [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/lol.gif[/img]

It's like handing your enemy the bat to beat you with!!

Now THAT made my month!

[GenX]

"...you heard 'em, shoot me now! Shoot me now!!!"

[Soundbear]

Some of the things Speedy post are interesting, beyond the mere statistics, which of course can be used or abused.

Ron Paul has only half the military supporters of Mcain, and many giving over $1000 each. Leads me to think, since soldiers don't make that much, that just perhaps it's some uf the upper ranks who are giving. The average dogface cant afford to give that kind of money. Just an idea.

And I'll put up one more little thing for you to look at. For what (little) it is ever worth.