Canada put's U.S.,Israel on Torture Watchlist.CTV

[GenX]

What's a Belgium Speedy?

Or was it suppose to be "...Belgium, Speedy, ..."

[Hans]

It's exactly like a wrote it Speedy.

[GenX]

Sorry, I sometimes forget I need to dumb myself down when reading in here.

[Hans]

That's impossible Speedy, but thanks for trying anyways.

[GenX]

No, I can actually dumb myself down to like only nine or ten grade-equivalences higher than you.

It's a talent.

[Hans]

Wow, that made sense. Not.

[GenX]

It did, but again I forgot who I was conversing with.

Well, Hans, it pains me to say it, but you're about as interesting as Canadian politics right now...so you're boring the bugeezus outta' me, so I'm outta' here.

Have a good night, buddy.

[Soundbear]

Come again when you can't stay so long!!!

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Come again when you can't stay so long!!! </div></div>

One thing you have to give Barry credit for, his sense of humor! [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/beerchug.gif[/img]

Never one to recycle old and boring jokes, his humor is exciting, fresh, vibrant, and creative!!

Well done, Barry! [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Canada's foreign ministry, responding to pressure from close allies, said on Saturday it would remove the United States and Israel from a watch list of countries where prisoners risk being tortured.

Reponding to Pressure Parrot...................


Both nations expressed unhappiness after it emerged they had been listed in a document that formed part of a training course manual on torture awareness given to Canadian diplomats.
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Foreign Minister Maxime Bernier said he regretted the embarrassment caused by the public disclosure of the manual, which also classified some U.S. interrogation techniques as torture.
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Should of read..Foreign Minister for Canada,Maxine Bernier..after bowing to pressure from USA and further Harper
(who Eminatres "All Failed American Policys).
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"It contains a list that wrongly includes some of our closest allies. I have directed that the manual be reviewed and rewritten," Bernier said in a statement."

Its a proven fact that USA (supports Israel unconditionally..financially... despite its Illegal activity) and Israel uses Illegal torture practices..USA detains prisioners (so declared Terroirists)..holds them hostage..for many yrs with NO rights what so ever...ALL illegaL..

Haper:is a LOSER..in my books.BOOK em Danno!


LINK

This was a non-story from the first minute it broke.

Seems I'm the only one to have known that. </div></div>

You just circulated more Propoganda Speedy..(gee your fast)...Canada lite..what a joke Harper...YOU are a Complete Joke..

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedy the Arrogant Parrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The USA tortures. Everybody knows it. </div></div>

Barry installs. Everyone knows it. </div></div>

I'm happy to see:you stll report and state,what it is you believe!

Having said: that let me further articulate some thoughts about the two participating (toture)countries mentioned.

Propoganda aside:

Torture is American as apple pie,it has been used from the earliest of yrs of American existence."Waterboarding" was a favored technique used against the "injuns",and was exported by vetrans of the Seventh Calvary to the Phillipines,where it was used on the Phillipinos in the War of Mass Murder waged there.As through out its history,the Yanks did not disquise their Racial contempt for the Victims of their intended Altrocities,and that has remained their attitude to ALL the worlds "NIGGERS" and "Injuns" to this day.

There is an UPsurge of apologias for torture,basically emanating from Israel and apologists for Israel.Israel has tortured tens of thousands of Palestinians,crippiling some and killing others less fortunate,and psychologically scaring aLL but the toughest.

There is Sadisim,hard to shake once you get a taste for it.Then there is the certain contempt by Israelis for Arabs.

Just recently Murdoch`s local flagship The Fundament (the arse whole of the United states..ops next to Bush) ran an article extolling torture as `Compàssionate`.


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[shadowjak]

Waterboarding consists of immobilizing a person on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages.Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning in a controlled environment and is made to believe that death is imminent.In contrast to merely submerging the head face-forward, waterboarding almost immediately elicits the gag reflex.

Waterboarding has been used in interrogations at least as early as the Spanish Inquisition.It has been used for interrogation purposes, to obtain information, coerce confessions, punish, and intimidate.The new controversy surrounded the widely reported use of waterboarding by the United States government on alleged terrorists, and whether the practice was acceptable.

The waterboarding technique was characterized in 2005 by former CIA director Porter J. Goss as a professional interrogation technique.CIA officers who have subjected themselves to the technique have lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in.

It didnt start with the americans.

A form of torture similar to waterboarding called toca, along with garrucha (or strappado) and the most frequently used potro (or the rack), was used (though infrequently) during the trial portion of the Spanish Inquisition process. "The toca, also called tortura del agua, consisted of introducing a cloth into the mouth of the victim, and forcing them to ingest water spilled from a jar so that they had the impression of drowning.

Agents of the Dutch East India Company used a precursor to waterboarding during the Amboyna massacre, which took place on the island of Amboyna in the Molucca Islands in 1623. At that time, it consisted of wrapping cloth around a victim's head, after which the torturers "poured the water softly upon his head until the cloth was full, up to the mouth and nostrils, and somewhat higher, so that he could not draw breath but he must suck in all the water.In one case, the interrogator applied water three or four times successively until the victim's "body was swollen twice or thrice as big as before, his cheeks like great bladders, and his eyes staring and strutting out beyond his forehead."

During World War II, Japanese troops, especially the Kempeitai, as well the Gestapo, the German secret police, used waterboarding as a method of torture. The German technique was called the German equivalent of "u-boat". During the Double Tenth Incident, waterboarding consisted of binding or holding down the victim on his back, placing a cloth over his mouth and nose, and pouring water onto the cloth. In this version, interrogation continued during the torture, with the interrogators beating the victim if he did not reply and the victim swallowing water if he opened his mouth to answer or breathe. When the victim could ingest no more water, the interrogators would beat or jump on his distended stomach.

Whether waterboarding should be classified as a method of torture was not widely in debate in the United States before it was alleged that members of the CIA have used the technique against certain suspected detained terrorists.Since then, some commentators have argued that waterboarding as an interrogation method should not qualify as torture in certain circumstances while other individuals have refused to state whether they would consider waterboarding to be torture without knowing the specific facts of a situation.

Several accounts reported that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded while being interrogated by the CIA. According to the Bush administration, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed divulged information of tremendous value during his detention. He is said to have helped point the way to the capture of Hambali, the Indonesian terrorist responsible for the 2002 bombings of night clubs in Bali. According to the Bush administration, he also provided information on an Al Qaeda leader in England.

Captured along with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a letter from bin Laden which led officials to think that he knew where the Al Qaeda founder was hiding.

According to sources familiar with a private interview of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he claimed to have been waterboarded five times. "A CIA official told ABC News that he had been water-boarded, and had won the admiration of his interrogators because it took him two to two-and-half minutes to start confessing – well beyond the average of 14 seconds observed in others."This is disputed by two former CIA officers who are reportedly friends with one of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed interrogators called this bravado, and who claimed that he was waterboarded only once. According to one of the officers, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed needed only to be shown the drowning equipment again before he "broke." "Waterboarding works," the former officer said. "Drowning is a baseline fear. So is falling. People dream about it. It’s human nature. Suffocation is a very scary thing. When you’re waterboarded, you’re inverted, so it exacerbates the fear. It’s not painful, but it scares the sh-t out of you." (The former officer was waterboarded himself in a training course.) Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he claimed, "didn’t resist. He sang right away. He cracked real quick." He said, "A lot of them want to talk. Their egos are unimaginable.He was just a little doughboy. He couldn't stand toe to toe and fight it out."After being subjected to waterboarding, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed claimed involvement in thirty-one terrorist plots.

Thirty one terroist plots.

So is it justified if it takes down terrorists?People who utilize the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. The use of a civilian disguise while on operations exempts the perpetrator from protection under the Geneva Conventions, and consequently if captured they are liable for prosecution as common criminals.

[Soundbear]

There is only one problem with the USA's methods of treating these people. They will either have to kill them, or realize that they will be releasing a group of people who will be inflaming the arab world to even greater heights of terror.
They have screwed themselves. Make martyrs or let them go. What a dilemma.

[Wrangler35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is only one problem with the USA's methods of treating these people. They will either have to kill <u> </u> them, or realize that they will be releasing a group of people who will be inflaming the arab world to even greater heights of terror.
They have screwed themselves. Make martyrs or let them go. What a dilemma. </div></div>


Barry:why do you have that memo:Speedy wins???
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Like i said:there will be those who make torture an art form and rationalize why it should be employed.

Any one should distant their selves from excusing those that torture...period.

If water torture was such a great concept:the where about of Usama Bin laden should of been revealed light yrs ago.That should of been the main focus after 9-11.

Iraq had NOTHING to do (pre ILLEGAL Invasion) with 9-11..nothing..yet the Fascist decider from his manifesto launched a fiasco of epic proportions..

The idea that water boarding,(just one of the many methods Employed from there hand book of "Dirty Tricks R U.S.) is respectable and or has a high pay off.is noted..especially for immediate results..but at what cost.

Guantanamo is staying in business,for the exact same reason that the Iraq (illegal) War rages on,and for similar reasons to why the Bush administration's failing global policy persists.Shutting down would be an admission of defeat,a Decleration of failure,which is some thing that the patrons of the Empire cannot afford,at least not know.

September 11 was an Opportune moment to turn a New Doctrine into Reality,as out lined by the New American century,a desperate attempt to sustain an empire that is facing challenges.The tactics,utilized almost immediately after the terrorist attacks,pointed at a foreign and Military Policy style designed to free itself from ACCOUNTABILITY to any-one,including the American people,the United Nations and INTERNATIONAL Law.

Guatanamo is a GROTESQUE representation of that tactic-and the failure of that tactic.

Indeed,Guatanamo is a DARK spot in the U.S. history and shall go down in WORLD HISTORY as a symbol of INJUSTICE AND OPPRESSION.And it will continue to be a jarring reminder of the INHUMANITY,the TORTURE,and the extreme violence associated with the Bush Administration`s so called war on Terror.

Neither habeaus corpus,due process,nor any set of laws,national or International,matterede much to an administration that prided it self on its ability to transend all that.Of course,such disregard was justified on the basis of national interests and a whole set of tired pretenses.Time,.however,showed that Guatanamo,and the over riding militancy it symbolized,has probally done more damage to the US national interest than aNY OTHER EVENT IN THE US HISTORY.

Bush:Haprers bestestest friend.LOSER!

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... Barry:why do you have that memo:Speedy wins???
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To show its value.

[Return of Too Many Daves]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Camper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Barry:why do you have that memo:Speedy wins???
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Because Speedy is an honourable man?

[Soundbear]

No.

[starterwiz]

Speedy likes it when he wins.

[shadowjak]

Guantanamo Mission Mitigates Global Risk, Mullen Says
By Spc. Shanita Simmons, USA
Special to American Forces Press Service

In-Depth Coverage U.S. NAVAL STATION GUANTANAMO BAY, Cuba, Jan. 14, 2008 – The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff visited the naval station here yesterday to share his vision for the joint services and express his gratitude to those serving here.

Navy Adm. Michael G. Mullen toured the new Expeditionary Legal Complex and the detention facilities, where he thanked servicemembers guarding detainees for their service. He also met with servicemembers in a “town hall” meeting, where he discussed goals for the military and Joint Task Force Guantanamo.

“JTF Guantanamo has performed extraordinarily well and has really delivered during a difficult mission,” Mullen said. “The naval station has also done great work to support the mission here. I am equally proud of what the naval station has done.”

During his visit, Mullen spoke favorably of the need to continue fostering the integrated capabilities that have allowed servicemembers to perform the JTF mission in a safe and professional manner.

“The world is focused on Guantanamo Bay. We’ve got to get it right every single hour. The consequences of getting it wrong could be global,” the chairman said.

Although Mullen acknowledged he’s gone on record in support of closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facilities, he said no decision has been made to do so.

“There is no decision to close Guantanamo Bay. Clearly, we have worked our way in the last several years through processes, which have allowed us to understand where we are and what we are doing in a very comprehensive way,” he said. “Guantanamo Bay is known to the world, and there are many who editorialize on the fact that Guantanamo Bay should be closed down. The decision to close it down would be made completely out of our purview, and I am not aware of anyone who is considering doing that.”

The Joint Task Force mission here plays an essential part in fighting the war on terror, Mullen said, and the operations here are necessary to help protect Americans against possible terrorist attacks.

“The joint detention operation is a part of mitigating risk,” he said. “We need to keep the detention facilities operating as best as they can be to protect Americans against individuals who have pretty bad backgrounds in terms of the war on terror. This facility helps mitigate that global risk.”

[GenX]

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