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    still beat the snot out of poor helpless seals still?
    don't hear much on the news anymore!!

    & that reminds me, "a seal goes into a bar. Bartendar asks what'll it be. seal says anything but a Canadian Club!!"


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    Feb 06, 2008 14:57 ET
    Fisheries and Oceans Canada: Annual Seal Hunt Misinformation Campaign Starts Again
    Statement by Loyola Hearn, Minister of Fisheries and Oceans
    OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - Feb. 6, 2008) - It's that time of year again when certain groups begin distributing misinformation about Canada's harp seal hunt, which tarnishes the reputation of Aboriginal and Atlantic sealers. As Canada's Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, I want to make sure the facts are clear.

    Canada's commercial seal hunts are humane, sustainable and economically important, based on sound conservation principles and regulations that are carefully monitored and enforced. Our quota levels ensure the continued health and abundance of seal herds, and with more than 5.5 million harp seals just off Canada's shores it's wrong for anyone to suggest that their population is at risk. This number is triple what it was in the 1970s.

    Yet each year professional activists who earn their living protesting the seal hunt descend upon Atlantic Canada, enjoy its hospitality, then attack the integrity, cultural heritage and livelihoods of these same coastal citizens and their communities.

    These groups arm themselves with carefully crafted misinformation, including photo opportunities with celebrities and young "whitecoat" seals -- seals that it has been against the law to hunt in Canada for more than two decades.

    Their claims of how the hunt is run fly in the face of independent, peer-reviewed veterinary reports that show seals are harvested in a humane manner. Even a December 2007 study by the European Food Safety Authority on the hunting practices of global seal hunts affirmed that humane hunting practices exist, and upheld the legitimacy and humaneness of Canada's techniques.

    Seals have been harvested for food, fuel, clothing, shelter and other products for hundreds of years and sealing remains an important part of Canada's cultural heritage.

    The Government of Canada will continue to speak up in support of the hunt and in defence of our sealers who carry out a legal, humane, and sustainable hunt that has been part of our culture for centuries.

    To our neighbours in the international community, I would encourage you to get the facts on the seal hunt before you accept the arguments being put before you from any organization seeking your hard-earned dollars to fund their campaigns.

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    i heard that they even club the protesters!!!

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    you do not control the seals, you lose your fish stocks, you lose your fish stocks , people starve and are unemployed... its easy to sit back in a pampered city life style and criticize others on how they feed their kids etc...
    better to burnout,,,,than fade away

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you do not control the seals, you lose your fish stocks, you lose your fish stocks , people starve and are unemployed... its easy to sit back in a pampered city life style and criticize others on how they feed their kids etc... </div></div>

    I aways laugh at that argument. Its like blaming the Beaver for deforestation before clear cutting by the logging industry. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif[/img]
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    "One large trawler Using sonar-directed nets with mouths wide enough to snare several 747 jumbo-jets, the factory trawlers bring in up to 300,000 pounds at a time"

    One super trawler in a days work can feed these seals for a year and there are fleets of them out there.

    "Seals vs Trawlers who can get the most fish?" Its not even a contest. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif[/img]
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    yes sir that is correct, trawlers taking way too many fish so what do you suggest, stop the sealing so MORE fish get eaten.?
    starving humans or starving seals.....which do you pick?
    better to burnout,,,,than fade away

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    Kill the beavers and save our forests!

    Seriously though,if killing seal matters in keeping the fishing industry alive than its dead already and nothing will change that.

    The seals were around the Grand Banks before we were here and there were more fish than there will ever be again.

    Lucky "John Cabot" discovered the Grand Banks in the nick of time in 1497 and was able to beat the seals to death before the fish were all eaten.


    Seals have no choice but to eat fish we can have pizza instead. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
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    tell that to the sealers trying to make a buck to feed their kids or the fisherman, who cant fish anymore and for the most part do anything else "because thats ALL they know how to do"
    yup its easy to eat 'PIZZA' if you can afford to by it.....
    better to burnout,,,,than fade away

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    My question is why do they have to club them. Find a humane way to dispatch them. Clubing them to death is Barbaric!
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    My point exactly. Its just wrong.
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    obviously he have never witnessed or have seen wolves killing deer , moose etc...or foxes taking hares etc....nature is far crueller than a club to the head. there is NOTHING worse than seeing an animal starve to death. people tend to believe that anything CUTE shouldnt be killed. believe me, our beef, pork, chickens etc. are killed less humanely than these seals.....
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    Thats Nature bohd not man. Wolves taking a calf moose or a deer ect. Thats Nature not man.

    I just think that there are more humane ways that they could be killed then clubing.

    I come from a family of hunters so I'm not a Peta freak. I just think that there must be a better way than this.
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there is NOTHING worse than seeing an animal starve to death </div></div>

    I don,t know? They both look well fed to me.

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    as a hunter my self, i do not find this inhumane. any suggestions on how to harvest these cuddly wuddly seals?
    lethal injection? i am pretty sure that , that club is efficient. hey don't get me wrong i HATE watching ANYTHING die, its a necessary part of a harvest.
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    When you hunt bohd do you club your prey? I highly doubt that you do. I suspect that you either shoot them with a firearm of some sort or with a bow & arrow.
    Why do these poor things have to be clubbed, and by some reports skinned while still alive.

    I just don't understand why they can't be killed in a manner thats more humane.
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as a hunter my self, i do not find this inhumane. any suggestions on how to harvest these cuddly wuddly seals?
    lethal injection? i am pretty sure that , that club is efficient. hey don't get me wrong i HATE watching ANYTHING die, its a necessary part of a harvest. </div></div>

    They only kill the pups for the skins not the meat so calling them hunters is a stretch.. When was the last time you needed a seal skin coat to survive. "North Face" nylon is the warmest you can buy and have nothing made of animals.

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil (both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal *****es have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to rot on the ice.

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and seal *****es have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. </div></div>

    LOL I hear this about Tigers and bears also, is there any *****es these people wont eat to help there own work better. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rofl.gif[/img]

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    i understood that the meat was also utilized...you are right, i also do not agree in killing animals for fashion sakes, but as stated before, i do not think it is an inhumane way of dispatching these critters. IF they were really ugly animals
    do you think the outcry would be any different?
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    [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/beerchug.gif[/img] JB! Makes no difference to me in the least what they look like. I just hate the thought of them being clubbed and skinned - sometimes alive.

    Thats that part that bugs me.
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    well if some of yous feel that killing them for thier fur is bad what about the trappers that hunt wolf beaver and so on they kill for the fur but they return the rest of it back into the wild as bait nothing is wasted now if it is done with sealing i dont know but im sure there is something that will eat the meat out there and have a good meal

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