To further your education re Reformation

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Someone who denies Christ's deity is not embracing the values of the reformation</div></div>

That's exactly my point.

Barry set the table for the possibility of a substantive discussion between us, and I accepted.

Then, he resorts to totally muddling the waters right off the bat, with his confusing comment.

[Soundbear]

You guys are too much.

Whats'a Protestant Speedy. That's my point. You don't seem to have a clue.

Ask him, A, don't explain for him.

[GenX]

Barry, I told you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Someone who subscribes to the teachings and values of a movement born out of The Reformation</div></div>

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask him, A, don't explain for him. </div></div>

Translation: "Ayd, I dug too deep of a hole again...can you get me out?"

[Soundbear]

Stop shovelling while we can still breathe.

[GenX]

Barry, this is a "Protestant": Someone who subscribes to the teachings and values of a movement born out of The Reformation

Agree?

[Soundbear]

A Mormon??

A Unitarian??

A Jehovahs Witness??

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Mormon??

A Unitarian??

A Jehovahs Witness?? </div></div>

Do those people believe in Reformation principles?

I don't get what you're asking.

Barry, today's Protestants are all over the place. What do you have in mind with your question?

I have no agenda. I am not trying to explain things for Speedy/RWGR.

If I am too much, you are not enough. Your statements are always minimal, leaving others to guess what the heck you're talking about or what you are asking.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Mormon??

A Unitarian??

A Jehovahs Witness?? </div></div>

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Do those people subscribe to the teachings and values of a movement born out of The Reformation??

Yes they do.

Do those people believe in Reformation principles?

No they don't (depending again on what those principles may be).

Hence my request for a clarification of what you think I believe.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Do those people subscribe to the teachings and values of a movement born out of The Reformation??

Yes they do.

Do those people believe in Reformation principles?

No they don't (depending again on what those principles may be). </div></div>

Okay..I dare ANYBODY to tell me that makes sense in any way.

[Soundbear]

Standard answer number 17.

What is the problem??

[GenX]

Read this:

"Do those people subscribe to the teachings and values of a movement born out of The Reformation??

Yes they do.

Do those people believe in Reformation principles?

No they don't (depending again on what those principles may be)"




You're telling me that makes senmse to you?

No contradiction here.

Teachings and values borne of a movement born out of the reformation.. Barry nuanced his words carefully here.

For instance, Quakerism is a movement borne out of the Reformation. They subscribe to the values of their movement.

Do they believe in the Reformation values? No they do not.
Many movements sprang out of the Reformation, which no longer hold to Reformation principles. That's not too hard to understand.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aydeloof</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No contradiction here.

Teachings and values borne of a movement born out of the reformation.. Barry nuanced his words carefully here.

For instance, Quakerism is a movement borne out of the Reformation. They subscribe to the values of their movement.

Do they believe in the Reformation values? No they do not.
Many movements sprang out of the Reformation, which no longer hold to Reformation principles. That's not too hard to understand.



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You want me to think Barry 'nuanced words to mean that????

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[GenX]

I will give you this, though: it may be impossible to define "Protestant", because even Protestants don't know who are what they are supposed to be now.

I'll give you that much.

Ahh, you're generous, ,.... I think.

There is really no such thing as a Protestant creed or statement of faith.
Reformed is probably a better term.

That would be easier to define.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will give you this, though: it may be impossible to define "Protestant", because even Protestants don't know who are what they are supposed to be now.

I'll give you that much. </div></div>

You should. You've tried to put us all in the same pot for a long time.

It's obvious that that is not right.

What IS right is that we evangelicals believe 95 percent of the same things as Roman Catholics profess to believe.

You think 95%?

Sad to say I don't share your optimism.

[Soundbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aydeloof</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You think 95%?

Sad to say I don't share your optimism.
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Hey, it's just a number. Who can quantify something like that?

I know there's more alike between us than different. Especially to the average pew-sitter.