Are Jesus and Lucifer the same person?

[lynys]

Okay... hear me out.

I was discussing this with friends one day, and the topic of Lucifer came up (mainly what his name really was) Anyway, I decided to come home and do some research into it, and found some sites that say that Lucifer is not actually the name given to the angel that eventually became known as Satan.

I have read that Jesus is in fact the morning star, and the reason given is he refers to himself many times as the bringer or bearer of light. In reality, Lucifer translated (as I am understanding) is bearer of light.

So, is it possible that the translation in the Bible was misunderstood? Is Jesus actually Lucifer?

[jaydee]

well some say that Jesus is the bad one and Lucifer is good. i cant see how Jesus saved us, Lucifer is pride and rebelled against God wanted to be his own person or angel, though i dont believe they are the same person and if so then whos to say that God is even nice and good like they say? what id the devil is the good one? just to say. Jesus wasnt proud that much i dont think??!!?

[jaydee]

and no Lucifer reembles Pride which is bad one of the seven deadly sins!! so it contradicts itself then!

doesnt look like Jesus to me!

[GenX]

Lucifer was one of God's most beautiful creations. He was an angel above other angels.

But he rebelled, and that rebellion cost him eternal life with God. That is what Hell is: living eternity without the presence of God.

Jesus and Lucifer are two distinct beings. Lucifer was the angel of angels, but it stopped there. Angels bow on bended knee at the mention of Jesus' name. Therefore, Jesus was and is much more superior to Lucifer.

Jesus is a 'light', and Lucifer was a 'light'. But he certainly does not carry that quality since his rebellion from God. Both could be called 'light' at one time. However, only Jesus carries that title now.

Lucifer rebelled against God because he wanted to be like God. In contrast, Jesus is God in human form. Accordingly, one would never rebel to be something that is not their superior. Therefore, Jesus is superior to Lucifer. Lucifer would not rebel to be himself, that is oxymoronic.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: linguinecisalpine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and no Lucifer reembles Pride which is bad one of the seven deadly sins!! so it contradicts itself then!

doesnt look like Jesus to me!

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Unless that was taken from your cellphone or digital camera, I'm not sure we can say that is what Lucifer looks like.

[lynys]

Well, from what I have read about this topic, as far as opinions go, they say Jesus is the "good" side of Christ and Lucifer is the "bad or darker" side.

Kinda like different parts of the ID.

Not sure what to believe on the subject as I myself would like to read more about it. Just thought it was something that could be debated.

[GenX]

Well, "Christ" means savior, or anointed one. I suppose Lucifer's followers could call him that, if they believe he brings and offers what they need.

The spirit of Lucifer is the "anti-Christ" (anti-savior), so that gels pretty well with what you're saying. Much of what you say is taught also in Christian apologetics, except, of course, that Jesus and Lucifer are one in the same.

[jaydee]

no way Lucifer is PRIDE one of seven deadly sins

[GenX]

Lucifer is a sin, not a real entity?

[1337]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jesus is God in human form</div></div>

Wasn't Jesus god's only son?

[Soundbear]

"Before Abraham was, I AM!' John 8:58

In this statement, Jesus Christ claims to be GOD. And He is.

[1337]

Abraham was the the God after him?

If "Before Abraham was, IAM" was a exclamation of him being GOD, does that mean he claimed it before abraham was god?


I'm really getting confused with all this bible contradictions.


I grew up thinking Jesus was God's son, and through immaculate conception, got a human girl pregnant, and voila, jesus.

Also thought Jesus was "Michael" in heaven.

Now if Jesus was Michael in heaven, does that mean Michael was god?

[lynys]

From what I have read...

Jesus is the duality of good and evil; hence we hear both himself and Lucifer being referred to as the morning star.

Of course, God would cast down the son who defied Him, but, the son that redeemed himself as our Saviour, would most definitely be welcomed by his Father.

Take it as a child who does something wrong. Parents feel shamed and disappointed by our actions, but, when we behave our parents are proud of us.

And, another that should not be forgotten is that God is all about forgiveness, so why would he not forgive Lucifer? (if that is what his name really was)

I read a quote, then lost it as I was reading rather quickly, that said Lucifer was NOT the name of Satan before he was cast down. Lucifer has been translated incorrectly in the Bible and actually means simply "light bearer" God said Himself that, "Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered" (Ezekiel 3:20) I took this to mean that he shall not be remembered, thus NOT be given a name. It has been said that in translation it is possible the word lucifer was given as a name to Satan in error.

So, this again brings me back to the original question. Is it possibly that Jesus is actually Lucifer, and that he represents the duality of man?

[Soundbear]

Here's my take, and it seems quite clear to me from scripture, as one of my "hobbies" is finding scripture that point to the Diety of Jesus Christ. He is God, part of the Trinity, or as I prefer the Tri-Unity of God.

Jesus is begotten of God, quite correct. But pleae note that what is begotten of God IS God. Conversely what is begotten of man is man. Don't get confused by terms that make God more understandable to man but are incomplee considering His diety.

Lucifer was God's first creation. And since scripture shows that Jesus was the Creator, Lucifer was actually created by Jesus.

More later.

[jaydee]

nahhh i think Lucifer is everything a person wants to be, but under God we cant be superior to God so then life is all pre determined and fake maybe all the fun of life has to do with Lucifer.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Abraham was the the God after him?

If "Before Abraham was, IAM" was a exclamation of him being GOD, does that mean he claimed it before abraham was god? </div></div>

"Before Abraham" was used not to say Abraham was a God, but to use a name all Jews would know and have deep reverence for. So in essence He was saying, "Even before the Founder (Abraham) of your Tribe (Israel, or 'Jews') was born, I existed."

But how could that be, if Abraham lived centuries before Jesus? It is so because Jesus and God are one, and God came before all else.

We believe Jesus is true man and true God. He experienced life as a man, but did not sin because he is God. Some things are not easily explained. It is a fool's game to try and exactly figure out how and why God works as He does in some situations. Our minds are not capable to comprehend all God is and can do.

In fact, God is three 'persons', yet One: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

It's not an easy proposition to wrap one's mind around. After a while, you just have to believe. That is what faith is: believing and trusting without seeing.

[Soundbear]

Nicely done.

[Madmax]

Look at it this way.

Lucifer is Gods Son
Jesus is Gods Son

Were all gods children, but those two i just listed are the TOP angels that god created and lucifer rebelled and god casted him from the kingdom of heaven and sealed his fate for the 1000 years we all read about.

The world is where Lucifer ended up and tried to decieve and did do so to Adam and Eve. This in itself destroyed the human factor of living the life that had no death with in it.

Could god have stopped lucifer from decieving Adam and Eve?
That question will always go unanswered as if he could, why did he not?

Therefore god created Jesus his only Son, is it true that he was gods only son or was lucifer the first son?

Jesus was born into the human factor and was crucified to be the human factor saviour for all our sins, jesus stated "father forgive them for they not know what they do" meaning many have no idea how to stop sinning or just can't because we have be tainted so much over the years and years that there is no way we can stop it ... only God Can do that.

But at least instead of destroying the human factor god decided to give us a chance to live and decide what we do and what path we live.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jesus is the duality of good and evil; hence we hear both himself and Lucifer being referred to as the morning star. </div></div>

If Jesus is God, then He cannot be good and evil, for God cannot be evil.

Jesus cannot be part evil, because He died to win a victory over evil's most common face: sin. Jesus would not die to win a victory over Himself. Again, it is oxymoronic.

Man has a dual nature, in that he can be good and evil, all by choice. In that sense, man and Satan share something in common. The difference is Satan has already forfeited his chance at eternal life with God, while man still has a chance for eternal life with God.

Jesus cannot be evil and goodness anymore than black can be white.

[GenX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Could god have stopped lucifer from decieving Adam and Eve?
That question will always go unanswered as if he could, why did he not? </div></div>

If God steps in, and makes mans' decisions for him, then free will is dead.

Could God make us worship Him? Of course. But what good comes of that? If that's all He wants, He would have been much better off making robots who are unable to reason, than make us. But He did not make mind-numb robots, He made human beings, "in His image".

God is Love. God wants us to Love Him. Love doesn't do things because it is programmed to, it does things out of a complete denial of self, and putting another above all else.

When we accept God, it is Love meeting Love. Nothing is more perfect.