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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2...-in-God%27.html

    People with higher IQs are less likely to believe in God, according to a new study.
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    Professor Lynn said religious belief had declined in the 20th century

    Professor Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, said many more members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists than the national average.

    A decline in religious observance over the last century was directly linked to a rise in average intelligence, he claimed.

    But the conclusions - in a paper for the academic journal Intelligence - have been branded "simplistic" by critics.

    Professor Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past with research linking intelligence to race and sex, said university academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.

    A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God - at a time when 68.5 per cent of the general UK population described themselves as believers.

    A separate poll in the 90s found only seven per cent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God.

    Professor Lynn said most primary school children believed in God, but as they entered adolescence - and their intelligence increased - many started to have doubts.

    He told Times Higher Education magazine: "Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God."

    He said religious belief had declined across 137 developed nations in the 20th century at the same time as people became more intelligent.

    But Professor Gordon Lynch, director of the Centre for Religion and Contemporary Society at Birkbeck College, London, said it failed to take account of a complex range of social, economic and historical factors.

    "Linking religious belief and intelligence in this way could reflect a dangerous trend, developing a simplistic characterisation of religion as primitive, which - while we are trying to deal with very complex issues of religious and cultural pluralism - is perhaps not the most helpful response," he said.

    Dr Alistair McFadyen, senior lecturer in Christian theology at Leeds University, said the conclusion had "a slight tinge of Western cultural imperialism as well as an anti-religious sentiment".

    Dr David Hardman, principal lecturer in learning development at London Metropolitan University, said: "It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief. Nonetheless, there is evidence from other domains that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability - or perhaps willingness - to question and overturn strongly felt institutions."

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    Like the guy said: simplistic.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    Why should intelligence or absence thereof be linked to faith?
    Imagine if it were. Seems kind of unfair, doesn't it, that the best and brightest get to go to heaven, the poor ignorant schlubs with a low IQ go to hell.

    Attempting any correlation between faith and intelligence is a non-starter.

    If you want to consider what the Bible clearly says about intelligence, it claims that a minority of wise (by the world's definition) and intelligent people actually will end up believing, due to their self-reliance and pride. Self-reliant proud people have difficulty seeing that they are morally as culpable and as lost as anyone else, and need a Saviour like anyone else.

    The size of the brain has little bearing on the condition of the heart.

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    Well said, bluesky.

    I'd have to add, though, that in my experience, wisdom and intelligence are not necessarily in the same head.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    I noticed in this article that only one "God" was implied... I didn't read the whole thing though...it was just too much "blah" and at times lost my interest. I am interested in an opinion of other "Gods" and do not feel that intelect is co-dependant off of religion. I feel religion is in fact an opposite of fact because one is based off of fact and the other faith... does that make one more right than the other? or simply different?
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    What is an opposite of fact? Fiction?

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    Is faith an opposite of fact?? No.

    But faith is trumped by fact.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well said, bluesky.

    I'd have to add, though, that in my experience, wisdom and intelligence are not necessarily in the same head. </div></div>

    lol, agreed
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

    But faith is trumped by fact. </div></div>

    You may want to reconsider that comment.

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barry Morris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is faith an opposite of fact?? No.

    But faith is trumped by fact. </div></div>

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    That makes no sense.

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    If I have faith in something that is clearly, factually wrong, then I have a problem.

    But don't pull out the BS "contradictions" and "bad translations" garbage. That ain't gonna give me a problem.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    "But don't pull out the BS"

    Hey, don't take my name in vain, BM.
    BS.

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    "BS", "Damn", "Hell"

    Me thinks it's safe to say Barry has tried to reinvent himself in here. The new, more assertive, in-your-face Barry.

    I love it! He's giving Cybie a run for his money as far as comic effect goes.

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    Default Re: Intelligent people 'less likely to believe in

    maybe they are saying in the article science has debunked alot of what people believed in religion....and that nowadays people are not afraid to question their religion....

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    First of all, this isn't the first I've heard about a correlation between education level and faith -- for whatever reason, more highly educated people seem to reject religion, which I suspect may be the result of academic indoctrination. I'm wary of extending that to intelligence, though, for a whole host of reasons (not the least of which is that IQ is a lot more arbitrary than most would like to admit). I know too many religious people to be able to accept that they're somehow intellectually inferior, as a whole class of people. The very thought is ridiculous.

    That said, it's important to remember that correlation does not imply causation. I don't buy for a minute that people reject religion because they're intelligent, or for that matter, that rejecting religion somehow makes a person smarter. It's an interesting enough result, but I don't think it tells us anything useful.

    DQ, good catch re. "God" -- I wonder how narrow the survey's definition was, and whether that skewed the data.
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bluesky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"But don't pull out the BS"

    Hey, don't take my name in vain, BM.
    BS. </div></div>

    My most sincere apologies. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

    AND JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY BM????
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W G R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"BS", "Damn", "Hell"

    Me thinks it's safe to say Barry has tried to reinvent himself in here. The new, more assertive, in-your-face Barry.

    I love it! He's giving Cybie a run for his money as far as comic effect goes.

    </div></div>

    You should have said "in my face".

    I have respect for everyone else here.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheOneTheOnly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">maybe they are saying in the article science has debunked alot of what people believed in religion....and that nowadays people are not afraid to question their religion.... </div></div>

    I suppose another thread would be good, but what has been debunked by science??

    I'm talking bible here, not some denominational belief without any evidence from scripture.
    ''Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.''

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ProfessorZed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First of all, this isn't the first I've heard about a correlation between education level and faith -- for whatever reason, more highly educated people seem to reject religion, which I suspect may be the result of academic indoctrination. I'm wary of extending that to intelligence, though, for a whole host of reasons (not the least of which is that IQ is a lot more arbitrary than most would like to admit). I know too many religious people to be able to accept that they're somehow intellectually inferior, as a whole class of people. The very thought is ridiculous.

    That said, it's important to remember that correlation does not imply causation. I don't buy for a minute that people reject religion because they're intelligent, or for that matter, that rejecting religion somehow makes a person smarter. It's an interesting enough result, but I don't think it tells us anything useful.

    DQ, good catch re. "God" -- I wonder how narrow the survey's definition was, and whether that skewed the data. </div></div>

    Well said professor.

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    Opposite of FACT is FICTION

    Fact does trump faith.

    The knowledge we have now, compared to 2000 years ago is phenominally greater!

    2000+ years ago, they have no other explanation for the creation of the universe. So not why believe a being we can't see or hear or touch created it?
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